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>SBMM promotes “total fairness” where everyone ideally goes 1 - 1

>SBMM normalizes the idea that everyone should have the same rate of success — regardless of effort or practice

>SBMM demoralizes the player by preventing the player from having amazing games. Amazing is offensive. An amazing game for you means other people didn’t have an amazing game. That’s not fair! You MUST go 24-22 on average.

Companies claim SBMM is good for engagement, but games had way more concurrent players back before such strong SBMM was the norm.

SBMM is a political statement. It’s a form of control. It wouldn’t surprise me if the elitist pedophiles mandated that all major game companies include SBMM in their competitive games.
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>>2069975
ya you should want communism in ur video games because you suck at them just like you should want communism in ur real life because ur poor
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>>2069975
EOMM/SBMM is a great analogy to the real life monetary system.
Banks (triple-ass publishers) use supranational communism (EOMM/SBMM) to shuffle around resources (you) so that national capitalism (MTX) can peer pressure you into submission, so that you buy into longterm problems (predatory buisness practices) and rent out shortterm solutions (FOTM/FOMO dopamine kicks), while you trade your lifetime, dignity, sweat, blood and tears for FIAT (worthless premium "currencies"), while your means to pay your debt and interest (various subscriptions) is systematically inflated away and the system you live in is destroyed by social misengineering and botcbed eugenics (casualization and corporate jeetification).
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>>2070455
Holy shit this is /vm/?
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What if I'm a winner and I keep winning?
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You damn kids with your matchmaking and agorithms. Back in the day you had to go on dedicated servers where everyone was a sweat 24/7 and admins would ban you if you started getting good or called them a fag back.
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why do you even want to play against people so bad they're no challenge to you? are you just a wannabe bully taking out your frustrations on innocent little retards? no drive to improve by beating people better than you?
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>facing an adequate challenge is le bad
pure distilled cope
the same kind of person that believes sbmm alternates between timmies and salaried pro players from one match to another to "preserve their win rate"
just play the damn game or find another one, no one cares about your 25 kill nuke streaks
and for the record, no online games were not more popular back when we only had server browsers, you're just desperate for an excuse
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>>2074085
Some day you have a hard/bad day at work and want to come home and beat someone up, but the state will take your kids away and your wife will divorce rape you so you turn to video games.
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>>2074085
>no drive to improve by beating people better than you?
This is the casual's mindset though, they beg and cry for SBMM so that they never have to fight anybody who is even 1% better than them.
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>>2069975
>opponent being same skill as me is bad
i dont get it? should we be putting children against grown men in boxing matches?
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Play open world PvP games (eg Foxhole), nigger.
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>>2075883
this post is a forced attempt at a gotcha and not your sincere thoughts
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>>2069975
I feel like 99% of the time people aren't actually complaining about SBMM it's just a buzzword, games without it would be fucking terrible as they are always at their best when both teams are evenly matched so you can actually play the game and engage with every aspect of it. Without it wins are more often than not curbstomps where you barely get to play and losses are just frustrating where you are waiting for the match to end barely getting to play
Maybe there are some more sandboxy multiplayer games where the focus is on messing around but that is not what you are talking about. There is no good argument against SBMM and any time somebody brings up this term they are usually just talking about some other aspect of the game that is poorly designed and making it unengaging to them, like a losing game being unfun and feeling out of their control so they think the issue is SBMM. I can't think of a single example of a game that I would have more fun in if I was just curbstomping terrible players

Just give me one good argument against SBMM so I can understand this, or is it all just bait? How about just tell us what part of the game you don't like if you are capable of forming your own thoughts
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Get matched against total noobs
>Camp in corners with a shotgun
Get matched against hardcore MLG sweats.
>Camp in corners with a shotgun.
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I do not get what you're trying to accomplish.
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Get matched against retarded scrubs
>grenade spam
Get matched against pros on Xanax
>grenade spam
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>>2069975
schizo
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>>2077997
>Just give me one good argument against SBMM
Not OP but the best one I can make is it's harder for weak players to learn good habits if they're only ever matched with other shitters.

The strongest I'd be willing to argue is that SBMM should have at least a little bit of "jitter" in it.
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>>2069975
SBMM changes the reward for being skilled from "winning more matches" to "getting a higher MMR". It is not communism; better players still get rewarded (with a higher rank and fancy medal) and match quality is higher. The problem is that people outside esports don't actually care about MMR or ranks, they just want to stomp people and make them suffer. This is politically incorrect, which is why these developers didn't acknowledge it and thought they could just give people a nice shiny medal instead.
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>>2069975
The only game removing SBMM really works for is Team Fortress 2 because that game was literally designed with designated shitter classes like Medic and Engineer that don't require any real mechanical skill but get defended by their teammates by virtue of them monopolizing healing, along with designated pubstomper classes like Sniper and Spy which can use obscene mechanical skill to stomp the match but are basically forbidden from actually doing objectives. Honestly, SBMM might actually hurt in that game because this means that nobody wants to play the Medic or Engi because they're just too boring for anyone that played shooters for more than a month. That game also didn't even have SBMM for the first decade of it's existence, BTW.
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>>2076071
You already want to put men against women in boxing matches
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>>2074306
It's because shitters who are in the top 10% of player skill want to noobstomp on the bottom 90% of players.

They can handle losing 1/10 games because they know they aren't the best, but winning most of their games still feels good.
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SBMM haters are just bullies who want to beat weaker people
>I just want to relax and kill people
If the game feels easy to you it means it's hard for your opponent, from his POV you're the tryhard
>I just want to try goofy strategies and not play serious
Then just play how you want and lose, once you go down enough in ranks you'll settle in a rank that fits your casual playstyle
>why are my teammates either idiots or pro players
stop acting like anyone worse than you is a noob and anyone better than you is a tryhard
you're not the unique person in the world that found the perfect balance between gaming vs IRL, you are not special
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>>2069975
super mario brothers mario maker is communism?
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>>2153844
Don't be a TERF.
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>>2134735
Even accepting that, it goes both ways. It's very hard for above average players to improve if they're primarily matched with people worse than them. I'd regularly stomp and get accused of cheating in games without SBMM but I still had so much room to improve and only did when I played a game with ranked. I'd also just argue if you want to improve and are actually thinking about what you're doing and why then you also will get good very rapidly fighting people on your level. Certainly you'll go much further than you would if your opponents afterwards were mostly worse than you. Like I picked up fighting games awhile ago, most of which have notoriously bad SBMM, and it was genuinely annoying getting good at them and being stuck fighting people worse than me and building up tons of bad habits.

I don't mean you, to be clear, but when people spout that argument vehemently and insist shitters don't wanna improve while ragging on SBMM I feel like they're just saying worlds about themselves and their own lack of desire to actually get good.



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