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>>2624988
For our NF prog I am thinking we do a Skill Lock prog.

Every week you will get 2 random skills added to your bar that you have to use for that day

In order to keep things from getting too crazy, or have people just totally ignore the skills 2 mercy rules will be applied.

Mercy Rules:

-Set of random skills will only come from your primary
-Set of random skills will be the same attribute (attribute will be randomly picked each week)

These rules are to prevent people from having to meta game their secondaries too much and prevent weirdness like W/E getting meteor shower, a P/R getting a beast master skill etc... the single attribute is also to prevent weirdness like warriors getting both hammer and sword skills while they are playing axe and etc... the goal is to promote use of unusual skills and I think giving more incentive to invest in a particular attribute makes sense as opposed to seeing how thinly you can divide your points up. Objectively a warrior getting meteor shower is very funny, but practically it's just going to be ignored. I am considering a 3rd mercy rule which is to allow one of the 2 skills to be replaced with Ressurect Signet if you REALLY don't like it, but haven't decided yet.

Tomes will be provided to people should they roll a skill they can't easily acquire, otherwise all our usual prog rules apply.

If you are interested please fill out this lettucemeet https://lettucemeet.com/l/VbR0L I am tentatively setting our start date to be 3 weeks from now, if there are other rules people want to propose or any questions about this current ruleset let me know now, I will post the finalized ruleset along with what day/time we are playing by next weekend.

>Guild Wars 3 just got announced, laugh at GW2 furries crying about the lack of char here.

They wont be crying for long. The amount of furry-bait in gw3 looks to be at an all time high. Kodan don't look scary at all and look overly cuddly/cute. Then you've got vulpera 2.0. So we've got humans, 2 furry bait, and then the new sylvari for elf bait.

>>2624992
based
core-nf skills, everything but eotn, or all skills?

>>2626066
usual prog rules aka

-no rune trader
-no campaign travel
-I am banning all PvE skills including NF because some are broken OP
-no using bank

I'll sometimes allow campaign travel if it's for a minor skill from a previous campaign to make a weird niche build function slightly better, an example we had a NF ele want to play a master of magic build, but needed Teinai's Wind for comboing which is a faction skill. I just don't want people running bars full of past campaign skills all builds should be built around whats available in NF.

In general though our random skills can come from any campaign so you'll likely have access to some eotn/faction/proph skills, anything you RNG you can use in future weeks too. So there's totally a world that exists where our monk RNG pulls Unyielding Aura on week 2 of the prog.

>>2626104
oh shit, the 2 random skills includes elites?

>>2626108
Yep, keeps things a lil chaotic, if you somehow manage to roll 2 elites I'll allow the player to pick one to keep, and the other will be rerolled.

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>New content
>Similar to Fractals or Mythics
>Some form of escalating difficulty repeatable dungeons

What would your reaction be if this is the content?

>>2626474
Fractals would actually probably fit GW1 more than GW2 as long as you got a little staging area between zones where it told you what stage and what modifiers were coming next
>Tier 1: Just the zones and positive modifiers, no restrictions, NM enemy levels
>Tier 2: Positive and negative modifiers, no restrictions, NM enemy levels
>Tier 3: Positive and negative modifiers, no PvE skills, NM enemy levels
>Tier 4: Positive and negative modifiers, no PvE skills, HM enemy levels
>Tier 5: Only negative modifiers, no PvE skills, HM enemy levels

WoodenPotatoes did an interview with SCW and some more of 2weeks about GW1 for anyone interested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERRhssgqROU

>Found a summary of the points on the video

>Lindsey M is doing a lot of design work on the 'new content' coming

>They have a roadmap throughout the end of the year they're working on so w/e the new content is will be this year sometime

>new game modes still on the table, mike z mentioned liking the community mentioned kormir mode where you control the heroes like an RTS

>scw said if he had the time he probably would have implemented a 'default trader pricing' by now weapon mod trader is being discussed

>they're open to more tech improvements on the graphics side (SCW used the example of a higher count of lights in maps)

>The HD skill icons did involve 5% of manual work of them making some more new art

>they are looking how to make the cartographer experience better without invalidating what people have already done

>they're considering new titles for new content and considering how that impacts GWMAM

>They're going to consider profession icons for pc party window throughout the next year

>They want to fix the whole 'leaving party causes it to disband' thing but time

>Mike z mentioned wanting to solve the inventory pressure people have

>SCW mentioned wanting to fix finding people in an outpost being hard

>SCW "Suppose you had a game with 1000 nearly worked out skills and you wanted to do some new content in a clever way, what would you do?"

Some new titles would be interesting, wonder what you could even do as a title that would make sense and also not be too piss easy to get.

>>2627179
arm barons on suicide watch

>>2627179
really sounds like they're doing some procedurally generated randomizer dungeon thing

>>2624988
Why did you choose that image? This thread is going to be inundated with unrelated shitposting.

I can dig "two completely random skills every session" I guess. I still think Nightfall-only PvE skills should be allowed.

>>2627179
>They're going to consider profession icons for pc party window throughout the next year
They're still using GW2 profession icons for the handheld release. They need to fix that first.

>>2627179
Don't want to trigger that Anon, but I could totally see them making a vendor for perfect mods and locking the Of the Profession mods behind a golden zcoin gate.

>>2627314
Codex Dungeon?

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>>2627485
In hindsight, wasn't my best choice for thread OP figured it'd draw some attention to the thread since it is big news and will be discussed regardless

>>2627492
Personally I want PvE fluxes as a sort of challenge mode bonus to turn on for dungeons, maybe it makes the end chest give 1 extra drop (or it removes diamonds/onyx from the potential drop pool instead lol)

>>2627179
>weapon mod trader is being discussed
epic they should also add a weapon trader where you can buy obby and eblades crystas and vs too perf for 10a each add arms to the store get some mtx action going fuck yeah

>>2627485
Forgot to include this in my last post >>2627516


the main reason I disallow nightfall PvE only skills is because some of them are just retarded and you'd need to be a retard to not put them on your bar as an example:

any of the LB skills just murder the shit out of end game margonites/demons, necrosis is just a better version of the elite skill Discord, the para skill is insane damage reduction, same with the monk skill, even intensity is kinda crazy as you can just instant gib 1/3rd of an entire groups HP bar with it. And you get these skills from level 1 we'd either need to make rules around not using them or specifically restricting some, cause running around 1 or 2 shotting enemies with Necrosis is kinda lame.

By contrast the factions PvE skills are a lot less crazy with the exception of SY, which is not as OP as There's Nothing to Fear imo (many might disagree with that). Factions is also a lot harder, and you unlock the skills 2/3rd through the campaign.

If we do DoA/FoW as part of our post NF content, I'll generally allow it.

Wouldn't a mod trader just increase the value of OS?

>>2627540
I had forgotten that nightfall introduced power creep like that. I thought it was just eye of the north skills. I only really remember dual shot getting replaced by triple shot

is beastmastery maxxing the best way to go when you are at like level 12-20 in pre searing?
You are stuck with shitty weapons anyway, but your pets damage scales with beast mastery

>>2628047
Nevermore flatbow is a better option

>>2627492
Actually the trader using zcoins in general would be really good imo.

>>2628126
i'm doing a melandru's run

>>2628047
just use firestorm

oh yeah baby augury rock zm

>>2626474
don't know what fractals or mythics are but sounds fine, depends on implementation

>>2624988
How do I decide which class to play?
I played almost pure Mesmer in GW2 but the GW1 version seems to be different entirely.

I just keep making new characters over and over and nothing seems to be clicking.

>>2631108
what do you like about playing mesmer in gw2, what's your ideal playstyle

>>2631187
I usually just spam clones and detenoate. I played 2h sword/staff or spear going for conditions.

>>2631238
idk what that means but you should try necro or ritualist
necro makes minions from corpses that bodyblock and distract and do damage, and they have tons of hexes and conditions. rit makes stationary spirits that help the party or attack enemies. both have ways to buff melee, though you'll probably be using a staff or wand

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>>2631108
check the link at bottom of OP pretty useful video

GW2 mesmer and GW1 mesmer have next to 0 similarities. GW2 mesmer is just another flavor of DPS caster, GW1 mesmer is more about denial and shutdown of enemy classes.

Necro minion master or ritualist is probably closer to what you like. As always you're welcome to join our guild, we're doing an NF prog in 3 weeks if you want to play with actual people.

Is it ok to start with all three options (reforged, dhuum, melandru) as a new player? I don't mind failing the Dhuum challenge. I can still do everything, right? Is this going to affect events and birthday presents in any way?

>>2632391
Kinda pointless to go Melandru as a new players. It's just a challenge for veterans who want to feel like a new player again.

>>2632391
The only way it will affect events/birthday presents is because you are melandru you won't be able to trade anything you get.

So if you get a rare mini (unlikely) or a rare drop in future you can't sell it. Like other person mentioned going Melandru as a new player is kinda pointless.

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i'm doin' it guys

>>2631108
Guild Wars is absolutely nothing like Guild Wars 2.
Mesmers are shutdown and denial. They're very fun to play but require decent game knowledge to get the most out of them.
As other have said, probably Necromancer is what you want. Minion masters are constantly creating new minions because they're purposely expendable. It's not the most fun playstyle for most people, but managing the proper deaths of your minions (à la Death Nova) is a very valid way to play. Necro is also a great choice for messing with conditions. Pair with mesmer secondary for extra condition play.
Ritualists are like the opposite of a Necromancer dragging along a minion meat shield. You want spirits to stay alive as long as possible, they are immobile, but provide strong battlefield control.
Rangers also have some decent condition-based builds too, and you can try beast-mastery which is basically micromanaging your pet while you do other things as well.

>nothing seems to be clicking
Keep in mind that starting out, you have a limited number of skills. In a game defined by collecting more and more skills, that means your end game play will always be very different. Elite skills in particular often guide how the build is constructed.
You might start out as a mesmer casting Conjure Phantasm for three seconds on a bull, but an endgame mesmer grabs Psychic Instability, waltzes up to an endgame mob cluster, and makes them all kneel. You might start out as an Elementalist spamming fireballs with Flare, but an endgame Elementalist with Ride the Lightning might take an axe and shadowstep between clusters of foes popping off PBAoE spells.
And so on.

>>2624992
Is the lettuce meet purposely only Fri-Sun?

>>2632497
Luxon rank lvl?

>>2632518
4,615,000

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>>2624988
Disgusting

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>>2624992
Shan't be playing NF

>>2632518
Yeah, prog groups have historically taken place on the weekends. Too much work/personal life shit for people to show up through the week.

>>2624992
ehhhhh I will show up with an existing character if you need an 8th

>>2632486
stormforge skirt is one of my favorites, easily in my top 4 ele skirts

>>2632660
i am in asia and can't show up for prog
change the dates more!

What am I supposed to do at Nightfallen Garden? Just do the whisper quest before I continue main story?
The reason I ask is because of
>It is possible to retain access to this area and the Garden of Seborhin after the completion of Abaddon's Gate. It can be done by acquiring but not completing the primary quest Heart or Mind: Garden in Danger, since that quest leads here
>The downside is that you will not be able to acquire the Protector and Guardian of Elona titles, as you must complete the quest to gain access to Jennur's Horde

>>2633114
I don't think there's really anything to do in that map. It's just there to service the story.

What the wiki is saying is that you can retain access to it by taking Heart of Mind:Garden in Danger and instead completing Heart or Mind: Ronjok in Danger. In order to get the title for mission completion, you have to do both quests in order to unlock the missions which follow from them.

>>2633184
If I finish the quest will it revert back to normal garden of sebhorin after I finish my main quest? I kinda fuck up the exploration a bit around that map. I want to get the legendary cartographer.

>>2633223
Yes, it just goes back to normal Garden of Seborhin after the campaign. I've never tried to keep access to both so I don't know how it works.
the standard non-Nightfallen version has elite skills not found elsewhere and counts for cartographer and vanquisher titles.

>>2633093
hi are you an asian girl

>>2633233
That's good to hear. I forgot to enter sebhorin after meeting with the princes so I only have half map of it. Thanks anon.

If I have a Deldrimor Talisman in my inventory from another character will I still be able to get the one from completing the mission for the first time when I complete Hell's Precipice?

>>2633962
Yes, it's one per character.

>>2632518
The last like 4 lettucemeets I've made I've included week days, and in every single one of them we've never had enough people interested or available in a week game for it to be worth it so I decided to only poll for Fri-Sun this time to simplify things.

Sometimes I'll use these as a litmus test to figure out when the best time to plan things is. Speaking of which, looks like I'm going go have to remind (harass) some people into filling it out lol.

>>2633093
Fill out the lettucemeet, nobody is filling it out right now so the odds we do a 8AM EST or 8PM EST run are equally likely right now.

What's a good character to play in GW1 if I liked engineer in 2?

>>2634244
What did you like about engineer?

>>2632391
as a new player you ARE melandru's, the point is to recreate the new player new account experience
you just need to avoid mat traders, don't take trades from randoms, and don't open your xunlai chest, and its 1:1. and even the xunlai chest doesn't really matter til you make another character

>>2634244
all classes in gw2 are the same shit

>>2634244
if engineer is like tf2 engineer, ritualist

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I can't find this hairstyle on Elementalist.

>>2634820
>>2634820
That's Cynn, not a player character.

>>2634841
Alright, thanks. I was looking under heroes, didn't check henchmen.

>>2634848
Cynn is one of the main characters of the series. That's like saying "Mhenlo? Who?"

>>2634256
I liked the versatility and the different turrets

>>2635232
Ritualist for sure.

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Is this worth anything? IDK if people look for +100 AR vs. plants

i want to unlock devona on my melandru's accord character but i feel like i need to get LDoA before i'm even able to unlock her

>>2636582
You can pick her up in Lion's Arch post-Searing.

>>2636587
yeah but i want her before that

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I
DONT
LIKE
NF
i want to play with you guys
BUT I DONT WANT TO PLAY IN NF

>>2636582
huh just do the dungeon

>>2636750
i overestimated it because of some failed runs while drunk
sober it was actually easy enough

>>2636741
Just play with us. Even the worst stuff is fun when you're playing together.

>>2634238
You need to really yell out the link for the lettucemeet, like this:


NIGHTFALL PROG
VOTE HERE FOR TIME
https://lettucemeet.com/l/VbR0L
>https://lettucemeet.com/l/VbR0L
https://lettucemeet.com/l/VbR0L
>https://lettucemeet.com/l/VbR0L
https://lettucemeet.com/l/VbR0L
>https://lettucemeet.com/l/VbR0L

>>2637205
>lettucemeet
is this like a gay orgy meeting or something because that's a very old homosexual slang

>>2637256
…some serious projection there

Can someone explain what the point of Dhuum's Challenge is? All I'm seeing is a badge that disappears when you die, is there not more to it?

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>>2637205
I think I just need to hunt people down who I know will show up and force them to fill it out, last prog we did we had 10 people fill it out, and 15 people showed up, and of the 10 people who filled it out, like 3~ of them didn't even show up

>>2636741
NF is always a weird campaign for us to prog because it's not as challenging as factions, and not as fun to prog as prophecies, I originally wanted to go for a much harsher challenge set of rules for this prog to keep things interesting but I think this current Skill Lock ruleset might be interesting to play under, and if it's popular enough we might re-use it for future progs.

>>2637256
People complained the last group planning website I used didn't automatically adjust based on their local times so we are using this one now

>>2637987
That's basically it, just tells other people your character has never ever died, and it shows up on titles you achieve with it enabled so if you achieved GWAMM while this badge was active, when you display your GWAMM title it'll show you achieved it under Dhuum's challenge.

>>2638028
Alright, thank you. So it's like Trial of Iron in Pillars of Eternity.

>>2638043
the badge actually means you afk farmed all the xp for it and deserve no respect
it also means you are quick to bail out on your teammates when things get rough

>>2638322
afk farming XP is survivor title, if you're doing dhuum thats the easiest title to get without even thinking about.

probably right on the quick to bail out on teammates though if you're a dhuum challenge.

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>>2634363
>>2636308
Thanks bros

HATERS GONNA HATE
LOVERS GONNA LOVE
I DON'T EVEN WANT
NONE OF THE ABOVE

I LOVE GUILD WARS ONE

>>2638886
As mentioned earlier you're always welcome to join the guild, we'll be doing a NF prog in a few weeks if you want to try going through a campaign with real people.

>>2638899
>DRIP DRIP DRIP

>>2638028
not even that really, it only will permanently display for you in the hero panel. For others the moment you die, even if you achieved GWAMM with DC active, the badge will disappear and others will never know you had it.

>>2638957
I'm waiting on the mobile port desu, I don't have access to my computer currently and I got that mmo itch

>>2639429
The mobile port releases literally today, and it's the same game that everyone else plays.

will we see a huge influx of new players with the mobile release?
especially people from the poor places in asia dont really have computers but they all have phones

>>2640568
Probably after going to get Chinese review bombs most likely

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>>2640568
no
most modern mobile games fail and EoS very soon after release because no one plays them, why would a 20yo unc-core game succeed?

>>2640712
because modern games suck

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>>2640713
modern gamers suck as much
GW feels far too slow and tedious for the vast majority of people who didn't grow up playing it

huge mesmer nerf

>Ray of Judgment - Reduce activation time from 2 to 1, reduce recharge from 20 to 15, increase damage from 5..45 to 10..50.
fuck
Thanakais temple will be impossible now

That is a big update.
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedback:Game_updates

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>>2640763
always had been

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THUNDERCLAP BROS
WE WONNERED

>>2640779
RIP to the guy who was repeatedly threatening to kill himself if ArenaNet ever harmed the investment he made in Mesmer runes and mercenaries

already noticing some AI chances in the enemy warriors
they seem to be going for my pet more in presearing, and chase me longer

Top tier update

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Is it really going to change much?
ESurge mesmers were WAY too powerful, now they're "just" powerful
Even if the damage is slightly lower, the energy drain denial, interupts and all the disruptive shit they offer is still the best any kind of PVE builds can offer

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>Cure Hex, Guardian, and even Healing Burst nerf
Bros it might actually be over

>>2640915
Esurge got hit pretty bad, 77 damage to target and only like 50 damage to everyone around
Panic will still be awesome
And i do think RoJ change will fuck up some pve areas

>>2640938
>RoJ change will fuck up some pve areas
skills that cause scatter will NEVER fuck anything up unless you only play in NM

>nothing but BUFFS for Paragons
Fuck yeah Seaking

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>>2640936
Imagine nerfing the healing capabilities of the dedicated healer class that's actually the worst healer of the game

>>2640954
Try telling that to your hero's that will get nuked even harder now

Also i think they kinda broke the melee AI, melee enemies now follow me a lot longer, but get stuck when they go to far

>>2640967
While simultaneously buffing Restoration even more.

>>2640938
did anything get buffed on other professions to make them viable or did we just get a flat nerf and will just be less effective all around?
The melee AI changes could maybe help but I'm not seeing anything about their skill use priorities other than they won't autoattack as much unless their energy is low, but nothing about one of the key problems of melee heroes which is not being able to chain skills effectively, especially with daggers.
But I think that's key.
If they just gut half of people's hero teams for damage and didn't replace it anywhere so you are just overall less effective, then that's shit.

Like the things I concern about with melee heroes are dagger chains being interrupted by target switches on death and just whiffing the rest of the chain and wasting energy, Or like, a hero derv using teardown skills stripping their other enchantments not just PR, or hero warriors using wild blow when they have a bunch of adrenaline and the enemy is not using a blocking stance.
If Mesmer damage is not replaced elsewhere, things are just overall worse.
Ultimately Mesmers will still suck at interrupting critical skills, so if you trash their damage and they still suck at doing the control so you need to stack a ton of them just to have a chance at getting interrupts and enchantment strips, it becomes not worth using them and you need a replacement.

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>>2640938
>Esurge got hit pretty bad
No it really wasn't
It's still the best PVE build
The only difference it made si that they don't deal twice the amount of damage of your other heroes on top of all the bullshit they throw at the enemies, now they do normal hero damage but get to keep all the bullshit that make them invaluable, they are still unequaled because heroes that deal similar damage to them don't have half of their utility on top of it
If you think mesmer teams are over you're a gigantic fool

>>2641111
>If you think mesmer teams are over you're a gigantic fool
esurge still got hit pretty bad, did not say anything about mesmer builds in general.

well they didn't really buff ele that's one avenue I was hoping they might replace mesmer damage with, didn't happen instead there were some damage nerfs.
>>2641111
Almost every single major skill in the builds lost 20-25+% damage, combined with cooldown increases (psychic instability got fucking gutted) and as it was the reason why it was competitive damage to start was it is armor ignoring (in normal mode Eles mog for damage, but in HM, Mesmers were competitive, the way armor respecting damage is adjusted for level differences matters).
Now it's just mediocre damage, and they still suck at interrupting.
Human mesmers will be fine since human mesmers are better at prioritizing interrupted skills, and better at use of punishing hexes.
But heroes suck at it and esurge was only particularly good because it's idiot proof and heroes are idiots.
as a human mesmer my biggest hit is Psychic Instability. That's a massive nerf and was one of my favorite skills.
But heroes? They're probably going to be royal shit now.

wait how the hell is "the power is yours" an elite skill?
1 energy restored to allies is what it was previously. I guess it was spammable for maintaining echoes but They're on Fire and Go for the Eyes work just as well for that and aren't elites.. it's now... 2 energy restored.

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so are my mesmerway mercs fucked or what?

>>2641274
about a 30%+ damage drop across the board for dom heroes, illusion doesn't seem to have taken as big of a hit but they still have some.

>>2641226
It might be okay now. 4 seconds of 2 pips of energy regen across an 8-person party is 64 pip-seconds, or 21 1/3 Energy.
BiP is 10 seconds of 6 pips, so 60 pip-seconds per use. That's probably the basis they used to decide on the numbers.

Obviously that kind of falls apart once you put BiP on two people at the same time, but I guess that's where the Echo interaction is meant to come in.

I'm glad they nerfed mesmer damage, but ele needed more

Minion Master got huge buffs. Pious assault getting buffed is nice, especially for AoL builds

>>2641331
I don't know, if it weren't elite it might be, but the opportunity cost is too high with it as an elite.
motivation is just not a an attribute line a lot of people worth with, and you're not getting HR that way. Maybe in PVP? I don't know about Para PVP
>>2641339
Something needs to fill the void that got created and I'm just not seeing it for hero groups. For human groups well you just run melees for damage instead and run mesmers primarily for interrupt/hex removal/enchant strip, not damage.
Heroes just don't do that, I'm not seeing enough in the AI changes to really warrant running melee heroes, and no caster dps stepped up to replace mesmer aside from smiting monk which the skills that got buffed will scatter so I don't really see it.
Smiting monks might be great in human groups where you can ball up and snare/knockdown, but heroes it's not gonna fly cause of scatter.

>>2641366
>smiting monk which the skills that got buffed will scatter so I don't really see it.
maybe try using a snare? you know, have skills interact with each other

>asford abbey has a 2nd district
wtf

>>2641366
I wonder if a fire ele hero with DD a melee player is worth.

>>2641345
yeah MM might be a little more fun to run as a player necro now, and PR Derv just got better.
Paras that use spear attacks got better.
Nature Rituals for rangers got buffed again to the point of there being almost no reason to use Read the Wind instead of Favorable Winds now. It's the same cast time, but FW is longer duration, the only problem is going to be cooldown and moving from pull to pull being out of range. But if you can pull to within range of the spirit until your cooldown is up each time it'll be good.
Human players got some buffs, some enemy builds got more dangerous (like smiting monk enemies just got way more dangerous, and ranger enemies that use nature rituals will be even more annoying)
Enemy Angorodons and Necro Mandragorns are going to be pretty dangerous now too, that ravenous gaze buff can't be slept on.
Warrior buffs are kinda nice, I find that cleave buff interesting, but the random nature of it is probably not gonna make it worth taking over 7WS.

>>2641376
we're talking about heroes, they're not going to do that very effectively.
Humans will do fine post this patch but hero teams are what got hurt the most.

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>>2641376
>m-muh snare
hamstormbro...

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I'm gonna say it
Minion summoning spells should be 1/4 casting time

>>2641440
hamstring just got made viable

>>2641383
we are so back

>>2641400
go /Rt for Summon Spirits and take all your nature rituals with you

>>2641587
that was one thing I was thinking about but that's quite an investment for a PVE skill, you'd already have TaO. You'd likely not use drunken master or rampage as one so you'd maybe use rapid fire as your prep for IAS, so your last PVE skill would most likely need to be triple shot so you'd struggle with miss chance hexes and sources of blocking (Ranger doesn't have "bro your wild blow tho") I might instead use the single target draw spirit, still an opportunity cost for a skill slot total but it could be worth it.

>>2640967
Atleast they didn't touch Seed of Life aka the one skill that carries the entire class.

>pet ai improved
>melee ai improved
exciting! warrior and ranger heroes where the most useless because of this

Mighty Throw retard strong
spears new meta

>Esurge nerfed
We did it reddit! Now those chuds will have to play with me instead of heroes!

>>2641654
and then you realize they're still useless because the entire game is shutting down melees anyway

>buffed Pious Assault
Nobody tell the W/D guy, he will freak out.

>>2641686
so we'll be doing paragon heroes now?

>>2641747
Literally just pop "For Great Justice!" and you can spam Mighty Throw. It has no cooldown and costs TWO adrenaline.

>>2641753
give him the power is yours and you get a 2 energy regen for your entire team as well

>>2641654
it's a step but until they fix their skill usage you're gonna be hard pressed to make a melee build that heroes use effectively.
>dagger chains
they'll still try to lead in with offhand or dual attack skills that are off cooldown on a target that hasn't been hit by prerequisite skills and whiff
>scythe dervs
teardown is powerful but AI will use teardown skills and rip off other valuable enchants like sand shards, so basically you have to run a hero derv without enchants aside from PR
>warriors
might be the way to go? But I doubt they use sequence based skills effectively, but they got substantial buffs

they keep buffing my ranger and paragon team every patch, I fucking love it
now just please do the proposed orders change to get the pets blasting and my life is yours

>>2641747
Unironically I think paragons are really underrated as heroes

>>2641766
They also buffed the E/R DD build bigly with that pet ai change. Very tempted to run a tclap hero alongside it

Maybe I should finally make a Paragon

>>2641686
>>2641747
did they just make para heroes worthwhile as damage maybe? Both unblockable throw and mighty throw got significant buffs. Cruel throw also got quite a buff.
Motivation got some buffs that actually make the attribute line possibly worth investing in, with Aria and Ballad of Restoration halving recharge and Aria of Zeal quite literally doubling in effectiveness across the board.

If they want me to use Physical Heroes they should implement the Necro Order changes.

>mesmer nerfed
>i might actually have to get good in order to beat WoC HM

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was just testing this very hard to play

Is spear good now? Can I actually play a ranged Ranger?

>>2641758
shieeeet

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>heroes upkeep "Brace Yourself!"

New paragon hero meme team

With nothing but Mighty Throw and For Great Justice on their bar, Heroes will still auto attack every so often.

>>2641789
Looking at the character creator I have decided I should not.

>>2641897
what's wrong, you don't want to be zesty black man in a skirt who excels at oral and gripping shafts?

>>2641897
go for a r/p
playing a paragon sucks anyway because the pve elite skill is so boring but so overpowered you kind of feel left out if you dont use it

Motigon backline looks actually really good now. Battery and healing output both buffed hugely

>>2641897
>not making a delicious chocolate vabbian queen

>only one female Paragon
>she is ugly
>Paragon character creator is ugly so can't use Mercenaries
Nope, shan't be using Paragonway.

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RETURN THESE DAYS TO THE RIGHTEOUS
HEAL THESE WOUNDS OF TIME
I HAVE WAITED OH SO LONG
FOR THE WINDS OF NERFS TO COME

I DEMAND TO KNOW THE LIGHT OF A BALANCED COMP
I DEMAND TO SEE THIS CORROSION PATCHED AWAY

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>healing prayers nerfed
>resto buffed

>>2641953
It also fuels one of the strongest prots in the game singlehandedly now if you do Inspirational Speech + Serpent's Quickness, or some other CD reduction. Even casters can go /W and take SY! now and just use a motigon to give them adrenaline.

Thinking about a para hero using they're on fire, a fire ele running DD, and player a/w using SY or something

>>2642019
embrace smiting
it and Minion Masters and lifesteals were the only caster damage that was buffed.

RETVRN TO DISCORDWAY

Gladiator's Defense is now perma maintainable with Dwarven stability. Potentially some fun new farming options?

consume corpse seems like it can fuel some real shenanigans

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>>2642087
We must go back.

>>2641198
it's still a four second aoe knockdown on a ten second recharge

now they need to nerf pve skills into the ground or only allow 1 per bar and cut the buffs from cons/pcons in half

So now that Healing Burst is dogshit useless, what're some good alternative elites?

>>2642209
UA

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>>2642215
Fuck me

I understand the nerfs to mesmers, but to compensate they should just allow us to use pve skills on heroes
Some HM content like WoC and Thanakai Temple will be near impossible like this

nerfing mesmer skills directly instead of nerfing the fast cast recharge buff just makes mesmer secondary worse without touching the actual problem

yes i am mad that my dumbass boon prot tease monk got nerfed before i could even try it

>>2642253
Should have hit the area+recharge rather than the damage imo.

>>2642284
Baby steps, they can still hit that stuff in the next patch.

>Gwen and Althea will still see use because of waifu appeal
>Razah will become every team's 2nd ritualist since Zei Ri is no longer unlockable for 99% of players
>Norgu left hanging
Will he become the least used hero in the game?

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>>2642397
>ANet finally gives us the 3rd mesmer hero
>mesmers get nerfed soon after
luhmao

>>2642397
Zei Ri was already unlockable for most players to be honest

>>2641686
>>2641747
>>2641758
>>2641766
>>2641953
as someone who's been running a paraway team before it was cool I shit myself over these updates, my entire team pretty much just mega buffed. Agree on the orders changes, please anet make it less miserable to cast

>>2642658
>Orders
Okay, hear me out
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Signet_of_Mystic_Speed

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mesmers pfftt HAHA run something good scrub

>>2641198
>psychic instability got fucking gutted
So is that RIP to that mesmer margonite farm?

>>2642016
>Wastrel's Demise/Worry
Hey c'mon they didn't have to nerf my assassin's farming ability too

>>2642243
They should have buffed Ele
I've been waiting for Ele buffs for decades.
but I guess they'll just continue to be the most cucked class against armor in the game.

>>2642811
well, it's still usable as another anon pointed out, I mean when we think about it, 4s aoe stun on a 6s CD is yeah, probably a bit much.
but it was fun to do it, I liked using it with wastrel's worry and wastrel's demise for my damage, which, they fucked those skills too.
Mesmer got relegated to mediocre damage now meaning they intend to have them be support/control but the prolbem is heroes are totally fucking shit at doing that. You brought all those interrupts mostly for blanket coverage HOPING you nailed a big skill, and then their damage made it not a total waste of a slot.
Now their damage isn't very good so it's kind of a waste of a slot.

>>2642817
I get that mesmer was strong but it does it even have decent aoe now?

>>2642829
Please no more ele buffs, I want to be able to clear Hell's Precipice on my MA characters.

>>2642811
Been a little bit since I did that farm. IIRC that farm would do PI -> Echo'd PI -> back to original PI for 3x KDs, right? If so then it might be dead. If it's just 2x KDs it might be fine, but there's also the nerf to wastrel's.

>>2642866
bruh.. well something's gotta give, doing like 50-70 damage on a supposed aoe nuking class is just not cutting it.

>>2642848
This has downstream implications. Slower aoe and less reliably killing/rupting the big aoe nukers means ST spirits get more fucked as fights will be longer

>>2642871
That's what they just dropped mesmer to, so I think it's intentional that they didn't buff it

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>>2642878
>front-loaded burst damage nerfed in the same patch that buffed /ourskill/

>>2642878
correct that was the one saving grace about the hero team is that if things worked right and they killed fast, those intermittant interrupts of big nuking skills was enough.
But with damage reduced, fights will take longer and hero AI retardation will take over, you'll not be able to endure when they fail to interrupt churning earth and savannah heat and Maelstrom and meteor shower, the longer a fight goes on, the more likely I wipe in content as it was, since hero AI is so utterly retarded you have to micro manage the shit out of it unless they insta nuke an entire group. Running SEx with them points out glaring flaws like they don't interrupt resses and stone summit spam resses, necessitating Frozen Soil, and just hoping you don't lose party members. Melee gets on your mesmers and they run away, ignoring flags and often pulling additional groups which is basically a wipe. They're super aggressive towards spirits and will run all the way across a room to kill one, and often pull extra shit and wipe.
This damage nerf basically means a lot more wipes if trying to use heroes in HM.
Being that I have 40% fucking packet loss which means I can't do any content with groups that want to run through content and not vanquish it (I'll drop packets, and rubber band behind the group and die, I can't do speed runs at all and it affects my ability to do large scale aoe farming too, my skills will just stop responding and then I'll teleport backwards dead). I'm on fiber but still have this issue and I don't feel like paying for a VPN for it, since this is the only game I encounter this with..
>>2642884
They left a huge hole for hero potential damage, nerfing without replacing it in other places.
I don't know how viable hero teams for hard mode dungeons will be, I never really tried elite areas with them as it was.
What this ultimately does is nerf damage across the board, make fights take longer and every retarded hero AI quirk is gonna be that much more deadly.

Time to put on my dervish skirt once more.

>>2640779
>MELEE AI FIX
>SIN NON-MEMECHAIN BUFFS
>DERV MEME SKILL NERFS
>ELEFUNSKILLS BUFFED
>DOM MESMER FUCKING RAPED
>MONK SMITING FUN BUFFED
>NECRO FUN BUFFED
>PARA NON-HRSHIT BUFFED
>TRAPS BUFFED
>RIT MEMES BUFFED (PROT SPIRIT NERF WHEN?)
>WARRIOR BUFFED
WE FUCKING WON WE LITERALLY COULD NOT WIN ANY HARDER IF WE FUCKING TRIED
I FUCKING KNEEL ANET MY LIFE IS YOURS

>>2643043
>PROT SPIRIT NERF WHEN?
When they stop hating on enchantments so fucking much

>>2643047
You will slot SY! and you will be happy.

>>2643048
Hmm no I don't think I will. Not until they let heroes use PvE skills cause I'm not touching it myself

How much will they have to buff Weapon of Quickening before it can overcome its fatal flaw of being a communing elite that doesn't enable communing spirit spam?

run five copies of churning earth and shut up

>>2643048
nah that shit's gay too

Thinking more about these mesmer nerfs I'm almost positive keystone mesmer now out performs esurge

>>2642848
hey tardbro sorry but uhhhhhhh you have to stop playing the game
you put a lot of money and effort into setting up your hero team, and then anet nerfed it and you have to figure out something else, and you're discouraged and now you're gonna quit playing forever. sorry, I don't make the rules, just the way things are

>>2643131
Yeah we get it, you don't play with heroes so you stand on a soap box and declare what other people should play, if they're not playing in your circle of friends well then they shouldn't play the game at all.
cause you care so much about what other people play in their game.

>>2643152
you don't have to hang out and commiserate with us, talking about new builds and combos and theories, we'll suffer through in silence alone, really, you can go

I told you this guy was gonna kill himself

>>2643160
I don't expect new hero builds to come out of this I expect people to basically either keep trying with mesmerway, or revert to discordway.
They didn't fix most of the underlying problems with hero AI, they fixed one thing, melee just standing there doing nothing because they couldn't reach their target because they were bodyblocked.

>>2643170
>they fixed one thing
they fixed one thing so far*

>>2643170
ive been running my regular mesmerway the past couple hours in eotn hm and it feels about the same

>>2643182
well until they fix the rest, melee heroes aren't gonna fill the damage gap, and no casters can step up and replace the mesmers.
I think mesmerway will still work with a melee player using Hex Eater Vortex instead of Esurge, provided you encounter a lot of hexes and can shadow step on top of groups to blow up (like if one of the hexes is deep freeze or icy prison, you basically need a shadow step)
but for casters, I don't think it's worth it and I don't know what would be worth it, you'll have to play mesmer yourself and do all the interrupts yourself because blanket coverage of 3 dom mesmers is just not worth it anymore. They'll fail interrupts and not do enough damage to make it worth it.

>>2643196
I wouldn't really be surprised. Small simple fights are almost certainly going to be only a few seconds more. Where is gonna likely be different is in high end areas like slavers. Those elementals there probably are going to fuck you. But the plus side is ether roars don't instantly rape you

>>2643196
try Dungeons or Slaver's Exile, Slaver's is probably the most difficult thing I bother to run heroes on.
3 things make it a pain for heroes as it was:
1. Lots of resurrects that heroes fail at interrupting
2. Lots of spirits that Heroes ignore everything to run and engage
3. Lots of melee that harass heroes and make them try to kite
the first you cover with frozen ground, but sometimes that backfires on you if those other 2 things start causing your mesmers to run off and die and now they can't be ressed.
the switchback in Selvetarm is especially bad because they will run up the switchback to attack a spirit on top as soon as you enter that room.
they don't care about flags they hate those spirits so much.

>>2641111
lol they will just go back to Discordway.

>>2643210
Tahnnakai temple and Rragar's Menagerie are probably going to be brutal due to the RoJ buff, and the Symbol of Wrath now being targeted rather than PBAOE.

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>>2641274

>>2643217
I never got this meme, discordway isn't even that good, the only reason people ran it was party and bar compression which died with the 7 hero update
if you don't HAVE to get everything on 3 n/rts and n/mos that do all your heal and prot and damage, plus needing a caller build to set it up, you're not gonna run it. discord isn't even aoe

>>2643223
True, but that'd be the case even if those were the only changes. Hopefully they realize how much of a pain that makes those missions, but that'd require 2weeks to care about something that isn't prophecies.

>>2643199
better start 40/40 spamming thunderclap

What is stopping you from turning your Mesmer into a Smither ROJ?

>>2643237
people run it because it's easy to force heroes to focus fire without manually locking their targets, because it requires both a hex and condition, heroes don't use it on enemies without both, you can control what they're aiming at basically.
it's retard-proofing for a big group of retard bots.
That's why mesmerway worked too, doing your best to retard proof with a bunch of aoe and interrupts, with a lot less aoe and less focused target damage on top, retard AI is my worry about what can happen.
>before:
Mesmers aoe down pack of flowstone elementals and roaring ethers before the flowstone elementals can get off more than 1 savannah heat
>after:
Mesmers fail to do enough damage, multiple savannah heats go off, now you're left individually flagging heroes out of aoe before they die cause they'll just stand in it While running to your flag they don't do anything else, because their scripting prioritizes running to your flag, unless a melee is on them (priority is then to kite) or they see a spirit (priority is then to nuke the spirit), meaning you can have deaths while your healers are running to their flags cause they won't stop to heal low health heroes that are running to their flags

>>2643237
People just spent so long trying to argue that Mesmers didn't need to be nerfed by saying that "if they nerf it people will just go back to Discord!!" that, now that it's actually happened, they're going to have to keep pushing it for a couple more days so it doesn't look like they were just trying to keep the game easy.

>>2643265
no dwarven mesmer hero, only monk

>>2642397
>Althea will still see use because of waifu appeal
Rurik already deflower her

>Gwen
>waifu material

>>2642595
I honestly believe like 1 out 1000 players have Zei Ri unlocked. Rescue at Minister Cho's Estate and the one with the hooker filter players in NORMAL mode.

>>2643262
Only need one tclapper for the cracked armor. Should probably have a fire and an earth ele too. But I think the biggest single issue for any comp remains dangerous casters like elementals who can rip through prot spirits. Any good team has to have an answer to that kind of shit. So as much as I like the synergy of multiple types of ele, I don't really know if even your idea of tri-clap is gonna be enough to handle those guys.

>>2643262
I probably will be using 1 thunderclap hero in place of 1 mesmer at least, since tclap interrupt gets used pretty consistently off cooldown which is short because the ele is just using it for damage. the bigger area will help. It catches things intermittantly and usually interrupts the first big aoe nuke that enemies use while the mesmers are prioritizing esurge rather than mistrust (always hated that, I thought the AI prioritized the skill furthest to the left and I always put mistrust in the first slot but they ignore it to cast esurge anyway, if I want to open with mistrust, I have to manually hit it on their bar)
But it's still gonna be lower damage than the mesmers provided.

>>2643265
scatter
I could only really do it if I was running an illusion mesmer myself for shared burden
or an ele and going water for deep freeze
otherwise scatter would make it pointless

This is just prep for the mesmer rupt ai fix
Soon you won't need more than one dom mesmers running hex vortex

>>2643307
if that was the case I'd be glad.
high mesmer damage is a bandaid for shit mesmer ai.
removing the damage without fixing the AI just leaves a problem.
People who don't play with heroes love it since they never dealt with the shit AI anyway.
but I have no faith in them doing that. They didn't fix it for 15 years.

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run, cowards

>>2643322
Churning earth + deep freeze ... I get what you're trying to do, cause in hard mode churning earth will knockdown consistently cause of the passive IMS every enemy has, but if they're hit with deep freeze that won't apply.. are you just having some redundancy in case deep freeze is shattered?

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>>2643322
>psychic instability

>>2643331
i just like seeing lots of friendly aoes on my screen

>>2643334
the devs have treated me to a four second nearby knockdown every ten seconds

>>2643338
it was every 6-7s

>>2643322
Should drop EA for master of magic. Or have one run searing flames and then make both use arcane mimicry

>>2643338
you and your whole attribute line are to be executed

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mesmer bros... I don't... *wheeze*

>>2643338
You should run Master of Magic rather than Elemental Attunement since you're using 3 elements.

coolown nerf to PI doesn't even affect heroes because they only used it once every 20 seconds to begin with

>>2643360
EA is a good idea when running multiple 25e spells.

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>mesmer gets nerfed
>d*rvish gets buffed
I will murderize you, Cup

>>2643367
yeah but you should only run 2 elements if you're gonna use EA.
actually, I dunno
I guess it can work.
go 4+3+1 in energy storage
then you can have 3 attributes where you can invest 10+1 points each, EA buffs to 13, and if you use glyph of elemental power it raises them all to 15 which would be +1 vs MoM at 16 ES.
64 energy vs 88, so there's that.
MoM build would use glyph of lesser energy instead of elemental power maybe.

>AoE damage tolerance is increased until hero health is lower (65% instead of 80%) before they attempt to escape those effects.
I've never seen a hero run out of aoe.
I've seen them literally stand in it until dead.

>>2643460
Well, now you'll get to do that more often.

>>2643483
I'm saying I never have seen them run out of aoe before and am wondering what this "change" even is because it's describing a behavior I've never seen heroes even have.

>>2643425
EA is better if there's a clear secondary element. Going 12/10/8 before runes with the 8 as ES is a lot nicer if you want want that 18 in the main. Still get 13 in the other element which is pretty good if it's only ever for one or two skills. Classic case would be fitting teinais wind on a dual attunement fire bar.

>>2643523
yeah, the reason I was thinking maybe he should go to MoM is because he's doing 3 elements.
if it was 2, then yeah use EA, with 3 it's spread out a lot.
You can make 3 with EA work it's just going to be a lot lower energy pool.

>>2643531
But like we said, deep freeze is anti synergy with churning earth

>>2643533
yeah, one or the other,
I'd probably do Earth/Fire in HM, as Deep freeze can be shattered, Churning Earth, Bed of Coals, Searing Heat.
Or you could mostly do water and earth, and just use churning earth for damage, open with deep freeze, tenai's crystals, churning earth, as they attempt to shatter deep freeze and return to higher movement speed churning earth would start to catch them with knockdowns.

>melee player
>brace yourself on hero
>spam drunken blow and desperation blow
>75 armor ignoring nearby damage every 4 seconds from the shout alone
paragons are the new mesmers

>>2643383
Anything but make heroes less brain-dead.

redo Ele skills to be based off their weapon damage as armor ignoring + damage on their spells. There, I fixed eles. Enemy ele damage can be scaled the same way martials are.

>>2643340
it was actually a five second knockdown every five seconds if you ran it with HR

>>2643705
Yes, but that requires two players, because heroes can't use HR and will wait 30 seconds between casts of PI regardless of its cooldown.

kuunyvang

>>2641985
>>only one female Paragon
>>she is ugly
>Hayda
>ugly
What the heck??

i only get my news from Petechad Kadargod videos. Are mesmers roping now? mesmerway finally kill?

>>2643769
Even if she isn't ugly, she is a retard and all Paragon are force to be an Elonan

>>2643771
great news: it's up

>>2643237
>>2643276
You are retards. People were saying that if you nerfed Mesmer people would go back to Discordway because it was the best Hero build before Mesmerway.
They buffed RoJ so maybe people will go for that instead since RoJway was being toyed with before Mesmerway came along but the point wasn't Discord being good its that most people would default to the meta and nerfing Mesmer wouldn't change that.

for me, it's signet of illusions echo smiter

>>2643771
They're still the best
Now they're just doing ~20% more average damage than other heroes instead of the previously insane +50%

>>2643383
actually mirage cloak and mystic regen got hit pretty hard vos still hits like a truck but with less durability so pious is quite a bit better now

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post-patch team idea: lean into the burning and snare the fuck out of them
easy to adjust utility to complement whatever you run as the player

3x RoJ smite (+spot prot +spot heal +utility of your choice)
Shared Burden w/ Fragility + interrupts
Minion Master of your choice
Parachad Battery + Blazing Finale + "They're on Fire!"
MoM Ele w/ Elemental Flame + snares

the new pathing seems to be breaking commander varesh she won't follow all the way back to the entrance so you're left fighting all the margonites.

>>2644431
He's the pianoman

>>2644147
What about searing flames+roj

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oh baby time to not play this gay nigger game again after that patch

>Reduce Nature Ritual activation time from 3 to 2
these used to be 5 fucking seconds
>reduced basically every 3s activation time attacks to 1s
which clown was in charge of balancing this game even?

>>2645193
I think I'm just gonna do some NM campaign clears I've been putting aside since I have limited time for GW and it always gets consumed by doing zquests on like 8 characters
the changes won't matter for NM or I can throw in Eles for damage there
and I'll just wait to see if they fix AI so that melee heroes become legit.

>>2645238
Attacks being 3 fucking seconds is retarded.

>>2645247
yeah thats my point why in the fuck did a spear throw with a 3 second cast time even exist in anyones mind ever

>PvX begging people to upload builds

>>2641345
you still have to spam heal the minions only to deal less damage than a spirit spamming retard who does not need to do so

If diversifying team comps was their main goal then buffs and AI fixes were enough. Buffing everything while nerfing mesmer is weird.

>>2645329
they only fixed one aspect of AI though, all the rest is still shit as far as I know. I did Ruins of Morah and watched my heroes just stand in the vortexes, they don't have scattering behavior.

>>2645329
Mesmers really needed a nerf though, as fun as it has been for 10+ years

>>2645486
They never had scattering behavior

>>2644147
You 100% need to play a melee for this, because you have no party prot, and minimal AoE healing, a single bad AoE and your team is in deep shit. You need to play melee or a para so you can abuse SY for party prot and so smite monks get best value targetting you.

I would drop Symbol of Wrath on all monks for Smiter's Boon, or Divine Healing so your party is more resistant to getting hit by an AoE.

vos plains farm works but need to swap mirage for shroud, gates of kryta works okay, slave spirits is harder, skullcrack with grenths should still outheal any packets that mirage would have otherwise blocked but I haven't tested this so this is just my assumption
few points:
>lowman fow is dead, mirage cloak even with 12+1+3 and a BU will not hit the 100% uptime breakpoint, so on this we are back to manlyspikes with more tanks to ball unless there's new [x]ways developed
the timing on this is funny since the fowfreaks have developed new tactics just very recently, lowmans were clearing fow under 5mins
if anything mirage will be a high skilled slot that will have to be well timed, still this is 60% block now, people have suggested using shroud, otherwise for uptime and high block % we now need 3 skills instead of 1 - extend enchantments, mirage cloak and mental block
I won't go into esurge as I don't play mesmerway or rely or esurge, but
>wastrels nerf kill uwsc and doasc nukes, 3 sets of wastrels on an uw group not enough anymore
this can be offset by tinkering with attributes to a certain extent but is still a significant hit
>IW buff more or less kills vale as the spirits deal way lot more damage now, vale is now way more difficult to manage in all uwsc strats
I feel like the IW and wastrels changes are meant to cripple the uwsc and I find this really weird as people are already discouraged from learning uw which is (in my opinion) way more difficult than doa since welfare eblades now drop from the new dungeon
>mount qinkai sc is completely toasted
>hb/cure hex/guardian changes are niggerfucked, a boon signet full prot now heals better than a hb bar
>necro hexes across the board get buffed with cure hex fucked

>on the pvp end, woh monks will just drop guardian altogether and get two stances on then get fucked by wild blow
I find it kinda weird that resto gets really substantial buffs the past few updates while they nuke hb, give us some other other healing elites to play then plz
>roj changes nothing, mobs still scatter and real ass gaymers could smite big time already
people are already trying rojway for doasc though so we might see something new
sc strats will recover as has been the case with every bigger update ever but monkchads we are getting fucked and it SUCKS since monk is the only fun class to play
also spear is 2gud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNEwoLF03Ow
next update I would imagine they will nuke shroud, whirling, seed and life bond but the trajectory they are on right now with the ss and 100b changes looks like just rolling back to oldschool 2010 manlyway spikes, if they touch sf we will just go back to terra eles and shit we will see

>>2645329
Modern Anet balances by doing what reddit tells them to do and reddit had gaslit themselves into believing that Mesmers were stopping people from theory crafting new hero builds and not the fact that the game hadn't gotten a significant balance update in about 10 years and 99% of people who play a game will just default to what they are told is the meta.

>>2645803
there are some things that make sense though, for gvg gust sin had to go but cup or spirits will know better

>>2645762
>>2645786
i really dont care about the effects of balance updates on your speed clears or farm runs

>>2645909
what do you care about big guy? also the monk point is valid notwithstanding

>>2645538
the patch notes claimed that they had tolerance for aoe damage until a certain point, indicating that they're supposed to scatter after reaching 65% health. They don't. they'll stand in it and die.

>>2645818
spiritway is gonna be insane now imagine a coward spear war doing 100 dps with st spirits and ranger spirits behind it and dont forget 100 armor vs physical and elemental

>>2646085
116 armor, spears are 1-handed

Holy fuck double dragon got huge buffs. How reliably do heroes cast it on you?

>>2646118
... well you should also have a +5 armor spear and a shield set for each damage type so another +10

>>2641339
Ele is tough to balance because hard mode enemy Eles will rape your asshole raw if they do it carelessly. Although I could definitely see them adding more splash damage falloff to other skills now that Mesmer got hit hard by it.

>>2646545
The issue is player ele wants no fall off, and if you buff the aoe target so the fall off isn't bad, you now have made the main target of the aoe so high that the high single target damage spells are obsolete in the process.

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the forthcoming paragon meta

two motigons with finale of restoration and the rest of the team running help! with zero command

>>2646598
just don't wear armor that exposes the belly button
it helps at least

>>2646618
huh, that's not a bad idea. Problem with double motigon backline is that it's all partywide stuff firing off somewhat at random, with not a lot of targeted burst healing that can be used in response to somebody getting spiked, but help spam might help with that.
A lot is riding on hero AI, though.

>>2646598
they're gonna pretend to be straight now?

>>2646630
Spike pressure can be mitigated some by a rit maybe

now that mesmer damage is shit on but you still need them for some utility I'm trying to revamp builds to run 2, 1 of them around shared burden (the nerf to arcane conundrum makes shared burden the clear choice), the other around HEV, but I'm almost thinking prioritizing fast casting rather than Illusion/Dom, just so they have lower cooldowns on their skills, and the Illusion mesmer I'm thinking I should also invest some in dom for shatter hex since losing 2 shatter hexes is going to be brutal otherwise, between HEV and putting Shatter Hex on my illusion mesmer I at least have something.