EARLY ACCESS OUT NOW!JOIN THE /vm/ GUILD No Fun Allowed ON VESPYRA! What server you playin'?https://strawpoll.com/YVyPvGw5BgNWhat class you rolling bish?https://strawpoll.com/2ayLQo1pvn4What race?https://strawpoll.com/bVg8B9jEeyYHow many subs?OVER 30K https://account.monstersandmemories.com/metricsstale: >>3038222
>Game has no exploration>Game is only good if you look at the wiki>Game has bad player on boarding>Game has bad itemization >Game won't allow me to play solo>Devs aren't going to make any moneyDid I miss anything?
>>3069406>Did I miss anything?Yeah, your soijak image.
>>3069406yeah, i forecast a 17% retention rate first month to second month
>mfw the resident faildev calls every legitimate issue brought up by the general an intended feature which adds soulful friction and pretends they did it on purpose
>>3069448Tbf Homer’s dream car IS the definition of sovl
nigger game desu
Sharty niggers glow in the dark.
https://tiendil.github.io/monsters-and-memories-stats/#overviewthis game is going to die so fast holy shit.
>>3069489If it dies, it dies.
>>3069497if it dies its because obnoxious devs killed it>it just wasnt meant to be! oh wellno nigger you just needed to listen and make a good game
>>3069497That means you lose izzat, cuck.
>>3069514Like that other anon said, I'd rather the devs stick to their vision and tank the game than try to please the unwashed masses.
>had to delete and reinstall the entire launcher because the update revert wouldn't download>the entire launcher looks different and the patch notes button works againthey just let your launcher silently become outdated and broken
HOLY FUCKING EBIN LOOT
>>3069607GIVE ME YOUR OLD BOOTS PLZ SAAR?
>>3069559whats the vision behind the guards always giving wrong directions when asked
>>3069619you sure you want these sis?
first game crash
>>3069627Um, you are just supposed to know, okay?
He won.
>>3069489Dev-sisters, I’m scared… if we don’t make the game f2p, the trend has it dying in a week. What about all my rubles and my dacha? I quit my job for this!
>>3069679>2.5k peak on your most populated serveruh
Okay we all are having a lark dooming but let's try to be positive for a moment. What are some good experiences you have had with the game?>Be lowbie tank>Form a group for wyrm>Invite a bunch of newbies>Walk them through how to find the dungeon, call attention to the vision check with the plank that drops you into a pit of death, help show then around and we find a camp where we bonk monsters and shoot the shit for a couple hours before fighting our way back out>Couple of them says they actually had a lot of funIt was pretty heartwarming although this was during open beta so who knows if they are still playing...
>>3069693>doomingno one here is doomingthe game is great in spite of what these nigger devs are doing
>>3069685That's good thoughtThis game literally has more players than marathon or estrogenday lmfao
>>3069639>Stinky old shoes worn by femwoodieHaha of course not that would be weird, imagine the feminine pine scent they have, who would want to sniff that haha...Uh but you know I do use agi so I guess it can't be helped...
>>3069693>added random good people to my friend list to group againhaven't done this in any mmo for 20+ years
>>3069723>-50% since launch>good
>>3069721>no one here is doomingWhy are you so eager to lie?
>>3069753He probably characterizes it as being realistic and in fairness the two are interchangeable when the devs are dedicated to drowning their newborn in the bathtub like this
>>3069776I still can’t believe these power tripping faggots banned me without proving proof I was botting in the underdark newbie zone. Very unprofessional.
>>3069753i think that everyone here agrees that this has potential to be lightning in a bottle but the game direction is atrocious
>>3069693Had this happen rather recently as well.Took a bunch of newbies on their first wyrms run, they started the session with an average level of 4. Realized quickly that if you are in a large party that you can easily blast through the second level of wyrms pretty easily without stopping even if you are super underlevelled (still have to apply common sense of not running into a group of more than 4 mobs).Sadly they were eager to do their quest and it became very apparent none of the quests they had would be doable since every single named mob we checked in on was being camped. Eventually moved outside the dungeon, and did camps in the overworld. Was honestly more fun (and dangerous) doing that since players would run trains into you or high level mobs they ass pulled without warning. Keeps you on your toes. Everyone was chatting and by the end of the session almost everyone was level 6+. It was a nice break from the monotony of solo grinding.
>>3069685What was EQ server cap? >>3069840Nigga, the "lightning in a bottle" was the original EQ back in 1999.
>>3069693>saving newbies whenever I see them bite off too much, even if I have to stand around a while to see if they really need help or not>bonk the spiders in UD that necros need whenever I'm running around at dead hours so I can give the eyes to necros I find working on that degenerate quest step>Deliver armor and bag ugprades to guild newbies instead of selling them as I grind TSing>Showing people around that are lost whenever I can>Helping people smuggle themselves out of AV>Giving up my mindless grind spots if I see lowbies come sniffing around looking for a spot to camp>Keeping all the loot I find in my travels to distribute to my friend group this one isn't really that selfless I just can't be fucked to do auctioneeringI bring the good experiences with me wherever I go.
>>3069857>Nigga, the "lightning in a bottle" was the original EQ back in 1999.go to bed unc and stop posting retarded shit on 4chan
>>3069877It's a copy of a 25+ year old game. There is nothing original about it. Post more dismissive vaguery, newfag bitch.
>>3069841>went from 4 to 6 in an hours long group sessionwow, anon. that's, uh, great.
>>3069881EQ was never THAT good, you xoomers have just been seething for 20+ years that the casual mmo won in 2004 and became a worldwide sensation so you doubled down on the "harder" game to feel better about your horse losing the race
>>3069428naysayers on suicide watch
>>3069881We’re back in the good timeline. The nightmare is over.
>>3069945If EQ was never that good then why are you playing a clone of it 27 years later?
>>3069959because whoever made UD did a fantastic job and he can probably keep working in the industry while the rest of the devs go back to waiting tables
>>3069685>early accessNot a whole lot of people want to pay money to EA an unfinished game. I find it's more fun this way. You're just paying it wrong. You'rea npcwhofollowsalltheothernpcsaroundastheymaketheirshittyexppartiesandhavenoconceptofexploration.
>alchemy prices nerfed so hard there's no longer any profit in buying vendored herbs and selling the potionsvery coolevery time i find an avenue to make a bit of money the devs nuke it to the groundeven the spider silk caps sell for 50c now, down from like 3x what they wereI LOVE BEING POOR
>>3069979Your trade skills, sister?
>>3069984time to join the rat race over medallions
>>3069984money is worthless once you have all your abilities anyway. the economy is dogshit
>>3069984try selling potions to players
>>3069980>Go find the named mobs>The ones that I know are there because I placed themDev-kun... You can't complain about people not wanting to chase the carrot if the carrot is invisible...This is why bonus XP and loot for killing mobs who have persisted for a while should be a thing, so even newbies can catch the scent of the carrot to begin with...
>MY GAME ISNT SHIT YOU GUYS ARE JUST PLAYING IT WRONG OK??friesbagchop chop
>>3069448it's the /vm/ schizo baiting you idiots to giving him (You)s
>>3069957I'm surprised it's taken this long for straight EQ-clones to pop up. WoW design really was a big roadblock.
>>3070001>Be poor your whole life as a player>Finally start to make money, feeling good>Realize you are making Zimbabwe dollars and the game regresses to a barter system (that you have been locked out of since you made your character since all named mobs are camped by higher levels)>They can't even reset the economy because they are liveThis game is going to be so fucked a month or two from now
>>3070021how did he get so good at playing the part of a failed videogame developer trying to shill his sinking ship of a game
>>3070006nobody is buying potions
>>3070006>sell shitty consumables that barely do anything to people who has no money to spareThat will surely work
>>3070026>This game is going to be so fucked a month or two from now>a month or two>or two>a monthboy do i have news for you son...
>>3070021No he is actually trying very hard to appear to be a normal player and totally not involved with development at all. >The last thread's blog post about how when players are worried about sub count (because they are worried about if anyone else is actually going to be playing in the game that requires groups to complete content) are ACTUALLY worried about the developers being paid enough to continue work on the game (the devs have straight up said it's a passion project and they will be running it even if the game drops to a thousand some odd players)It's pretty crazy how transparent he is if you just get inside his head for a moment. Not that I necessarily care or mind if the devs lurk 4chan, but I do wish they would tighten up their attitude towards what randos on the proverbial street are saying. They have been way too addicted to the yes-men geriatrics on discord sucking off their every choice
>>3069488
>>3069693fuck the positives when I cant even play the motherfucking game>be a tank everyone will want you!>pets tank better then tanks and the meta is turning into tanks either being pullers or getting left out>try to cast a spell>interrupted>interrupted>interrupted>want to exp>everyone fighting over niggerchains instead of focusing on their job in the group
>>3069559is the ~vision~ one in which level 30s and 20s camp the newbie dungeons endlessly to try and farm gear because magic items are obscenely scarce, and even when fully equipped you need them to level disechanting which is a hard requirement for enchanting and jewlerycrafting?is the vision one in which start area resources like copper are farmed by guilds that have timers to spawncamp spawns because higher tier crafting required fucking copper for some reason?
>20pphshawnsisters...
>>3070125Your sph though? (Sandwiches per hour)
>>3070089Make a melee dps then?
finna play daggerfall online all weekend and check back on the shawnmetrics on mondayare you feeling bullish or bearish anons?
>>3070112I dont understand why people like you bitch so hard when they'll probably end up fixing it
>>3070134JUST CODE IN A WORKING LOOT SYSTEM YOU FUCKING TALENTLESS NIGGERS
>>3070136I would buy so many puts if this shit was public.
>>3070136DFO is honestly pretty shit, too much slop updates that make no sense, it's a mass of dumb features
reminder that this current version is the result of 6-7 years of work
>>3070134im lvl40 i aint switching shit, the problem will compound onto its self once pet tanking does fully become meta within the next week and then im sure something will be done about it, I know these dumb niggers devs aren't dumb enough to completely have all their tank classes be worse then pets
>>3070155>adding features in just because you can code themmeanwhile in sandwichland...
>try basic tradeskills>"oh i use plate so blacksmithing and smelting should be ez">mine a bunch of copper, smelt it (you lose items on fail so now have less)>finally ready to blacksmith some armor!>you need like 15 different ingredients (not listed when buying recipes btw)>they require ingredients from tradeskills like enchanting, leatherworking, other things>decide to make some basic swords to level up blacksmithing>when all the costs are factored in, selling them ends up being an objective net losswhat the fuck is even the point of tradeskills then? making your own gear is worthless, making bags is worthless, fishing is worthless, cooking is worthless, everything leads to a net loss in coin and if you discover something that is actually profitable, the devs will apparently literally ban you for doing it? why on earth would you ever spend hundreds of hours grinding this shit out when everything is outclassed by camping named enemies?
>>3069693Starting out in AV and discovering it with everyone was pretty good. I regret leaving..
>>3070161They use AI for all their coding
>>3070145An open beta is the period of time where "don't worry they'll fix it (eventually)" flies, not a launch.You don't get the benefit of the doubt once you are taking money from customers and there are extremely obvious medium term problems that even a child could infer from looking and thinking about it for more than a minute. What gets "fixed" here? How do you "fix" a fucked economy in a live environment? You are going to be pissing people off literally no matter what you do.>Money is too scarce early game and too worthless late gameIf you introduce more currency, you piss off the mid level people who have already suffered through being poor. If you introduce later level money sinks, you piss off the already poor people who are just starting to make money. The devs should have thought these very basic things through before launching, not after.
>>3070162cause you dont get to camp named mobs so craft your stuff peasantthis game is for the devs and their clique, they just happened to scam 30k randoms into joining (for a month)
>>3070160It's going to be even worse than you can imagine.The devs, being retarded, are going to blanket nerf the pet classes (which are also the most played and most soloable ones), and in the process the backlash will probably kill the game by causing droves of players to quit. Newbie zones are already drying up as the playerbase declines, and as such people will be trapped between a rock and a hard place where pets are shit but they can't find groups.You know it's going to happen. Pets HAVE to be tanky to be playable solo, but in the process tanks get shat upon, and so in the name of the ~vision~ (that nobody believes in, otherwise solo classes wouldn't be universally the most played) everything will be ruined further.
daily reminder that dudu needs a major buff as it's the worst class in the game currently
>>3070160Enchanters were allowed to be gods for half a year if not more, If you think devs will be on top of balancing meta you are in for quite a surprise.
>>3070160>they’ll change it soon!Enchanters were the best cc, tank, and dps during all of the beta by a MILE
>>3070172AV is heartbreaking. Deep Elves who started there were some of the best groups I've been with in the game, but now the zone is borderline dead.
>>3070192>>3070195enchanters being OP didn't keep anybody from playing the game most tank classes literally cannot do anything outside of a group thus they literally cannot play the video game if this isn't fixed once it becomes meta, this is why I believe it will get fixed sooner then later
>>3070189There's a really simple fix that is that pets can't hold aggro from really anyone but their master.
>>3070175everyone everywhere uses ai when you have to make ends meetnot using ai is akin to not using fire, the wheel, electricity or the internetof course when your game is an high school tier passion project who failed upwards you get to be a bluesky luddite and not use any ai tools
>>3070217That was before the devs were asking for 15/month for the privilege of being overshadowed thoughbeit
>>3070233Meant for >>3070195>>3070192
>>3070189>>3070192Also a simple fix for this would be to just make it so pets cannot taunt in a group, literally what world of warcraft did
>>3070198Too few people and as people started leaving it entered into a death spiral.
>>3069723the subscriber count increasing but online playerbase not increasing in turn is indicating a high turnover rate which is REALLY bad for MMOs
>>3070028bro probably got his origin in vg/agdg/ that place is a birthing ground for permanently stuck on 4chan failing at life schizos
>>3070241due to how the class quests are set up this also means that if a new player starts there with the wrong class, it may be near literally impossible for them to leave. imagine trying to kill the spiral researchers solo as a spellblade or wizard lmao
>>3070229I have no issues with using AI to code, but that anon is right about DFO being an absolute fucking mess of features that they just threw in because they could. There's no direction, it's just >this might be cool>tell claude to code it>ok it's inIt is more fun than MnM thoughbeit
>"tradeskill recipes that produce results that are too good"I guess the devs cant audit items well
I'm going to try to solo camp Wyrmsbane or AC as cleric to try farming gear for alts.I'm almost certainly not going to find an open spot, but I'm sorry guys. It's just how the game is set up, and cleric gets both unfun and hard to find groups for at higher levels.
>>3070256disagree on it being more fun than this, mostly bc i love daggerfall and that shit is not daggerfall but yeah. script kiddies with zero direction making an mmo is funny to watch
>>3069723what the fuck is estrogenday desu
>>3070265genxers with zero talent and a fanatical devotion to some unclear old school mmo vision has also been a good episode ngl
>>3070191I have no skin in the game as I've already uninstalled, but I do think they designed it in quite possibly the shittiest way humanly possible.>Let the class choose whether it wants to be a healer or a magic DPS, but whichever role it focuses on will be strictly inferior to a dedicated class for that roleWhen has this EVER worked out in the last 30 years of video gaming? If you want a flex role, why would you not just firmly plant it in the "intended to be a flex role" niche and not just let it do both kind of good at the same time and have each aspect of dps and healing play into the other side rather than using the season system which just makes it pick a lane? I said it last thread and I'll say it this one,it should have been a Warhammer Online Archmage expie where casting heals empowers your next nuke and casting nukes empowers your next heal so you are REWARDED for spotting in each role, not set you up on a structural design level to compete with dedicated classes who do nothing BUT that role, which will ALWAYS lead to frustration from the druid for being overshadowed in the role he wants to play, or frustration from the wizard at the druid being almost as good at DPS as he is but also getting to heal and sow and shitthis isn't even getting into how flexing as a role wouldn't even be very valuable in this game as once fights are "under control" (tank has agro, DPS are safe to start blasting without gaining agro, any adds are cc'd), the value of having a dps who can add some healing loses it's luster. Jack of all trades need things to start going wrong for their ability to fulfill a random role to be useful, but that is a more overarching encounter design problem and the same reason that extra tanks are useless in a group, but I still find the approach to the druid's role to be really fucking dumb
>>3070268sounds like some brainrotted shartyposter babbling
How many sandwiches do you consume during a boat ride?
>>3070278why is she so pissed?
>>3070284Severe deficit of big human cock
Enchanter is bad, tradeskills are bad and the economy gets nerfed every day while things remain broken. I have seen the light and now side with the thread retards to say this game's dev team are faggots. Thanks for the time here guys, you were all fun to play with or joke with.
>>3070275>the most popular class needs more buffs
>>3070321>most popular sub lvl 12 classfix'd
>>3069693I didn't think it was possible but i met Christ.His powerful twink hammer bathing in holy light.
>>3070293Sorry monkey boy, she’s ogre ONLY
>>3070308>oh you quit? you were a wowbabby anyways so not our problem! bye!do they think they can keep the lights on with just their lackeys
>>3070321It needs a structure design shift. If you interpret that as "a buff" then that is because you are retarded. However the numbers land, you can't have a magic DPS class that is as good as another magic DPS class while also having the power to heal. You can't have a healing class that is as good as another healer class while also having the power to put out wizard numbers.They have designed themselves into a corner which is going to result in dudu always being either bad or broken. That's the problem, brainlet-kun.
>>3070330You can't... That won't possibly fit... She won't survive!
>>3070335Healing is a binary role - if you can do the content, you are a healer.
>>3070339See>>3069497
>>3070341My elementalist is a healer because I can summon bandages, got it.
>>3070339>male human self insert tries to pull muh dick>ogre BVLL walks in to the roomkek
>>3070348>from Druid to elementalistDamn sis, you really are bouncing from retard class to retard class. Try FGT next.
>>3070162they're trying hard to ensure tradeskills remain a no fun allowed money sink afk grindit sucks because part of what made the different vendor types interesting was being able to travel between shady merchants and turn a small profit while leveling tradeskills by crafting player sold junk into products and vendoring to the right merchantnow it's hardly profitable even if you gather the reagents yourselfthey eliminated the single gameplay loop they had that wasn't mob grinding
>>3070374at least elementalist contributes with windfury pet
>>3069430i meant troll sorry anon
>>3070253You'd have to farm to like 13-14 to have any hope of finishing that solo.
>>3070374It's an extreme example to illustrate why you are a dumb fuck.
>>3070331I'm the person your replying to and I'll be serious here. I think the devs seriously think their dedicated boomers will keep the game running. I love this type of game, I played EQ1 when it was new. I hated WoW, I stuck with EQ2. I did tradeskills, housing, plushie grinding, all of that. I'm THAT type of casual player who even though hates grinding and questing would do it when it was fun.The development team of this game have this goal of sabotaging anything non-named camping. They listen to solely their minmaxing no lifers and overbalance anytime one of them complains. Like Enchanter in Beta they could of made it so you can't charm high level reds so that a solo enchanter couldn't grab an almost double level mob and solo the entire map they are in. Instead of doing that they just made charm break faster, which sorta works but all it does is harm the casual player whos charming their level charms. The min maxer will just root and keep doing what they are doing. So instead of fixing it again they just destroy Charm damage AND Summoned Pet. It's however just not Enchanter, they do this overreacting nerfing or buffing to every class and aspect in this game. Make too much money? EMERGENCY PATCHED. You do a bit too much damage? Goodbye.If you bring up any of these points to their discord or ingame the defenders just tell you are wrong. "You shouldn't be making money", "You shouldn't be doing DPS your a CC class!" whatever it is of the time.It's actually heartbreaking because I don't like any modern MMO and I rather we did go back to the SOE era of EQ1,EQ2 and Planetside type games but... yeah whatever. I hope that others enjoy this game but idk man.
anyone in moonmoon's guild? looking for some /vm/ bros who like our edgy baldy!!
>>3070411Devs will read posts like these and unironically tell the person that the game isn't for them (they will never figure out who the game actually is for because they don't even really know their target audience, nor how to appeal to them, beyond some vague idea of "eq boomers" liking their game because it's like that game they played when they were 30 years younger)
>>3069399lole
>>3070455the game isnt for youits for mei made it so i could be a godlike powerplayeryou can join me and be a low level goon of you want (15 dollars plut tip per month)
join the EU guild niggers
>>3069945the best part of eq was not even the original expansions that people worship. it was the middling ones where they drastically upped the difficulty of the game/raid content. modern eq is noticeably harder (and in many ways better) than its original version. boomers aint ready for this discussion but the game actually got better when sh*wn left the team.
>>3070482Sandwichsisters, seize this heretic at once.
>>3070477how many online rn
>>30705585
>>3070477Tfw pacific time zone...
>>3070482its almost like he wasnt good at his job if he worked on the biggest western mmo in 2000 and now hes leading the smallest team ever lol
>>3070477I can't
What will be the Mystere incident of MnM?
everyone is still posting in the last thread
>>3070617what's stopping you?
>>3070627few low iqs maybe
>spend an hour camping a named mob spawn>nothing but PHthis game sucks
>>3070669>an hourcasul times
>>3070669The real named mobs were the sandwiches we ate along the way
>>3070669Sweatfags were camping named for 30+ hours with no drops. Hour is nothing.
>>3070669My record before I stopped caring and just quit the game was 4 hours in a group and then I weighed the pros and cons of sitting in wyrm after I had out leveled it and decided I would rather reroll an uninstall wizard.
>>3070636My self respectGottem
>>3070636I'm not on that server
>>3070691Sounds like a bad game.
>>3070674>>3070691I don't care about some geriatric EQ boomers spending their last remaining years pressing X for the +1 WIS Bracer of Cuckoldry, this shit is astoundingly unfun. Camping solo like this is unfun. Doing it in groups is barely better.They need to remove the PH system entirely, gear is almost impossible to get and will only become even more impossible as more people start trying to level enchanting or permalockdown these areas due to the obscenely low named odds.
>>3070669i spent a week without sleep on an everquest private server with 30 max players camping something with no results. you are weak like baby.
>>3070711We do that in eq
>>3070715Not everyone is past retirement age, grandpa.
anyone on eu server have +wisdom waist? name your price I'll pay anything, even in nature
>>3070717Be a bad game?
>>3070714Nameds will become hell when sweats hit cap and midcores get to 40+. Expects anything that drops something universally useful to be permacamped by guilds.
I dont know why you guys are all complaining, you can just buy gold and get the ultra camped items that way
>>3070723i got fired from my (shitty) job over this
>>3070730Krono soon
>>3070736i hope your joking, every ancedote I hear about stuff like this just makes me think that people who played EQ are subhumans
>>3070743most of them are hardcore drug addicts or alcoholics so you arent wrong. i never did that i just let my entirely life fall apart without substance abuse. lots of them just kill themselves.
>>3070730and then do what
I don't know who needs to know this but this game death is essentially already sealed, not even so much by the game mechanics and tedium but moreso by the fact that multiple P99 guilds full of cliquish freaks have actively already divvied up the entire game and have plans to permacamp all content.These people were in the beta and also have concealed multiple (still undiscovered) exploits and bugs that they are using to their advantage. They have had every single drop and timer in the game mapped out since before EA. They're also in many cases friends with the devs, or actively infiltrated people onto the volunteer list, so good luck ever winning GM disputes. You all have seen nothing yet, the real disasters for this games reputation will come over the span of the next month once these people hit max level and lock everything down forever.
>>3070743>>3070761Underneath the monsters (and memories) is a slot machine whose handle you can only pull once every 8 minutes. >>3070715Robe of the Lost Circle?
>>3070817>Robe of the Lost Circle?no its even dumber than that. it was a custom content server and it was a pointless flavor illusion clicky.
Damn that blind midden drop, Percy's iou, gives you 58s when you turn it in to sproggets
>>3070829HUSH
>spend two hours in a dungeon i outleveled trying to grind for gear because I won't get any otherwise (pugs don't need roll lol)>finally get a robe>just feel disappointed, no dopamine, no feel good like getting an upgrade in basically any other game>don't even get cool fashion because there's only like 4 different item graphics in the game, most of which are tied to newbie quest itemsI think this might be it for me guys.
>>3070829>>3070838Banned (reason: exploited economy)
why the fuck do resource nodes pop out of existence when i click them once and then immediately reappear when i walk 2 feet away
This is fine...
>>3070908back to the pit, chuddy
>walk out of underdocks into caves of irem>on land>zone into underwater in river>try to swim up>boat kidnaps me before i get above >slowly drown as the boat drags me me to god knows fucking where in the riverWHEREISMYFUCKINGCORPSENEVEREXPLORINGAGAIN
>>3070945pottery
>>3070908>sub to my onlyfans for more content
>>3070945Should have prepared, chud
What is the point of the Channeling skill? Even with a full plate cleric (which the deep dive said should get interrupted less) I have noticed zero difference from 1-100, just constant interruptions in melee.
>>3069392Sure why not I don't have anything to do until->subscribe for $15 a month to play!You can't be fucking serious.
>>3070987Aion 2 is right there for you, buddy
>>3070995Aion 2 is garbage.
>>3070998That's what you get for the price of FREE
DDO put out their regular "shitload of free content" coupons if you want something free and dead, propped up by whales and hope.
>>3070982I genuinely have no fucking clue how the math on it works. I would get messages that said that I retained my concentration and casted through the hit on my Paladin, but even with max level and even taking Channeling as a minor skill, it really seemed to be an absurdly low chance to cast through being hit to the point where I just always tried to cast around the enemy's auto attacks.I miss Conquest of Azeroth. Their Sun Cleric was my favorite version of the plate wielding holy spell caster archetype ever.
>>3071024link?
>>3071045>>3066517
31k
>>3071116and yet the game is dead and the general is on life support
>>3071150literally the fastest thread on the board
>>3071163issa one dev having a spergout constantly
>>3070460They know what they're doing, man. They know.
>>3070998Monsters and Memories is garbage too though. Why should someone pay $15 for garbage vs getting free garbage?
>>3071163It's a dead board thoughbeitAlso I'd love a headcount of the people who have already canceled their autorenew on their subs itt
can someone explain bards to me, because they seem kinda boring. your only way of doing damage is via kiting with your ambient DPS spells but this seems like something you can't even do in dungeons due to the confined area?
>>3071370You're a support class. Your role in a group is to give buffs through songs and mez mobs, sometimes you also pull mobs cause you have the ability to lull and split the pulls up
>>3071423keep in mind bards are only just barely better at mezzing than inquisitors are, and your EZmode chances failed at character creation. Enchanters do the needful
>>3071463Enchanters seem to be having a nonstop melty
>>3071463inqs are better mezzers than bards
>>3071463>barely better>can move at retarded speeds while casting a mez that costs no mana
>>3071370For the most part, they can be. You can cycle 5 songs: 3 of which being your buffs of choice, and 2 of them being the DoT spells. You can also do a shout that pops up every 12 seconds. There is the Whistling Slash shit too but I honestly think its a bit of a meme despite it giving you haste due to forced GCD. They do pretty good damage, but it has to be very involved. This only gets broken if you must mezz, which is often because the rest of the party are full of apes. And yeah, they kite very well because mobs are very slow unless they have the fighter charge to gap close. You do need a lot of space though. You can use march and backpedal the entire time and be fine.
>>3071370Bards are basically jack of all trades who also share a crowd control role with Enchanters and Inquisitors. They are incredibly good soloers as well
>>3071541>oh no i cant stick 4 mezzes, meanwhile the enchanter is afk and has 15 things mezzed
>>3071574Bard could mezz up to 5 things but that comes at the cost of not having buffs up. Realistically if you want to have all 3 buffs up, it's 2.
>>3069693>They have female dwarves that aren't all ugly.>Then ruined that good will by adding facial hair options
>>3071611dwarf women without beards aren't dwarf women.
>>3071611Tolkien's offhanded comments have done irrepairable damage to my ability to fulfill my thick short stack fetish.
>>3071783based Tolkien sensei btfo'ing gooners from the Heavens
>>3069693most of my positive experiences related to the community, and sadly like 90% of my friends list hasn't logged in since the 8th or 9th. Kinda grim.I had a really nice experience picking up people in the underdocks gate area, I was just farming the skeletons slowly moving up towards the shroom caves, and we ended up a group of 4 killing the shroom high levels, and then moved over to the wererats, had a nice time, just chatted shit, then I never talked to them and they stopped logging in lmao.For every good experience I had 2 or 3 minor annoyances that sucked the fun out, my housing shit getting obliterated and only JUST getting put back was also lame. Many houses having windows big enough for people to straight jump through in NH is also awful.But then, tradeskills are fun, and that first week I had lots of people reaching out and talking ingame to help get shit made, and now it seems like the groups that will control trade have been established, and are bullying anyone trying to offer services in chat.blah. It's all blah. Not dark, not grim, not doom, but the game is definitely lesser.
does bard seriously require you to tab into your inventory to switch instruments every few seconds, sounds annoying as hell
>>3071948You can put the weapons and instruments on your hotbar. Hold down left click on your weapon bar and drag it to your hotbar, then do the same with the inventory slots that hold your instruments. You can then use your mouse to drag and drop on your hotbar. You're not binding the weapons, you're essentially binding the slots that hold them. It's a weird system, idk why it works like that, but here we are.
>>3071948we do that in eqidk if we do that in mnm
>>3071948Yes but chances are no one is going to notice and buffs change dynamically, aka its not screenshotted. If you want to max a certain buff, just keep the associated instrument on. You can see this by using one of the dots, associated with either brass or string instruments, and swapping it out. It will change the +50% effectiveness.
Real talk, should Enchanter have just been rolled into another class? Does anyone really want to be the failsafe for if you don't have a monk?
If you're thinking about rolling a Deep Elf in AV, I would highly encourage against it at this point. Any potential the zone had has now largely been squandered as the initial population outleveled the zone and left. If you start there now, it will be incredibly difficult to find groups, and at peak hours the population is now barely breaking 70. Even more than most zones, you will need to complete your class quests in a group usually to leave, so you can imagine the problems.
>>3072066>zone has half that pop on EU>every time I've played there I've found groups for either mob grinds or the dungeonNot to mention, people in AV are super chill and friendly
SOVL
I wanna FUCK a deep gnome girl!
>>3072049just give them 60 minute buffs, group buffs without reagents, and a Druid tier nuke. There, they can stop whining.
>>3072098>covenant in the binwhere they belong
Wizards be like>big swinging dick motherfucker LFG, I will CARRY your shitter group's WEAK ass dps. Ranger? Elementalist? Fuck em. Hire ME! I don't give a nutty shit if your tank can hold it or not. I'm the tank nigga.
>>3072125What’s this game’s version of the quicksands, anyway?
>>3072169Don't wizards basically btfo all other dps options now that they have unlimited mana?
>>3072258not even close but don't tell level 20 wizies that
t-too much SOVL and friction...
>>3072258idk, i assume if anyone else in this game gave a shit about their gear and didn't show up to a level 30 orcs camp in fucking statless gear. the difference between a well feared fighter and a fucking shitmonger is enormous. the difference between a rogue with worn haste and .5 ratio weapons and a shitter is enormous. A geared rogue does good DPS and you got people showing up to corrupted ashiras in the dookie gear they got in the group before them who spent zero time outfitting their character.
>>3072258>>3072169They constantly run out of mana even at higher levels and get outDPSed by some tanks due to the bizarre spell damage numbers
>>3072258Wizards aren’t going to keep scaling as well as physical, they just have int from gear. While physical get +dmg from weapons and +50% from spell haste alone. The only way to keep parity is by having either int scale way better than str, and dropping a massive “do 50% more spell damage” buff on a class.
>>3072362the point of wizard is to effectively run out of mana. you have spells that function as a sustain and a spell that replenishes about 40% of your mana. if you have an enchanter you can burn a little harder but without support you might only let off one or two nukes in a fight while keeping volley and reclaim on rotation. volley/reclaim dps is fine. nukes at my level do about 800 damage or i can use arcane surge which does around 400 and never run oom.volley does about 45 dps and i can keep it up with a full mana bar. this is at 32so i control how fast stuff dies until we start getting some melee bangers. PUG melee tend to be real shit.
>>3072405>so i control how fast stuff diesEverquest wizards were a lot of fun because of this. In a way, you can control how group mana gets spent. It's a cool way for class power/identity to be expressed without any OP mechanics involved. Really hope that remains the case for them at the cap.
are there any cool looking armors in this game or is it all just 3 different recolors like in Everquest
>>3072712theres plenty of different looking armor and it's not just a reskin of other armor.
>>3072668>>3072405https://forum.monstersandmemories.com/d/2026-final-wizard-feedback-level-50according to this forum thread by the highest level wizard on all servers 4 days ago, wizard is basically nightmarish deadweight until level 28 with subpar DPS.
Which one for a Shadow Knight?
>>3072769I hate SHiDs so much
I'm unironically looking forward to the player drop off so I can get some fucking NAMEDS
>>3072769you are a tank so agi
>>3072792grass is greener and all.I tried camping a named spawn at a higher level for the first time today, and it was shockingly boring, minimum 1-2 hour before named spawns and the gear never will feel "good" because it's always designed to be massively lower level than you
>>3072755with some spells and systems still not working as they should. looks like still some work to do. also interesting comment about the devs:"Our names are on the recent live stream in the 'Top Poopsockers by Level' that the devs showed off."
>have to spend my entire mana bar and almost die as cleric to kill a single blue con random undead mob, and this is with using the special undead """"nukes""""ebin, simply ebin class design
>>3072792this has had me thinking about rerolling on the pvp serverwent with trem thinking everything else would be dead and impossible to group in a couple monthsbut on trem I still have more fun playing solo even if I'm never seeing any drops and I stay poorwould be nice to see some drops.......
>>3072755That's right. 28 basically doubles your DPS and 32 makes it even better with fire volley. At 28 you get ice blast? Which is fairly substantial even though it costs a ton of mana. It's like 190 mana for 550-675 damage while at 32 you get a spell that does 350-400 for 90 mana and is considerably better for raw efficiency. Still, if I'm chunking something big I'll reach for ice blast.
>>3072969If you have a group of ride or die homies this is probably the way. IDK how you're going to get endgame done though.
>>3072792You can always ask to join, most of the time someone's only camping one or two things and that person would love for loot to not rot. If you can come to an agreement neither of you will have to walk away. I just walk up and ask someone if the thing I wanted dropped and if they want to sell it.
>>3072963i got same issue as paladin. takes me like three minutes or more too
>>3072668I don't see why it won't be. Wizard looks to be the chunker at endgame. Rogues, necromancers, beastmasters, spellblades, archers, rangers will all do good DPS, but if you need something dead now nothing does 'dead, now' like a wizard.
>>3073036I gave up while playing my Paladin because it took so long to get a group and soloing was so fucking trash. I guess it's even worse now that people are just using pets to tank.
>>3073093Monkbros... We didn't make the list...
>>3073103Monk is too busy pulling the next mob to dps
>>3073109Is that really how it's supposed to work? Do I not want to stop to punch the mobs I pull?
>>3073116if your group can handle a steady stream them a steady stream you should apply. probably good idea to stay for named though so you dont get fucked on loot.
>>3073124>so you dont get fucked on loot.Ha ha... yeah like that isn't already happening to every puller as it is
so what is lockpicking for?
Reminder that if you want group invites either play a DPS or a Bard/EnchanterOr play a tank and make your own fucking group
>>3073109Monk is only really needed to break a camp, after that the tank can pull.
>>3073097Nobody is using pets to tank. Just play a paladin. Pets can't hold agro for shit.
>>3073097never had an issue finding a group, usually get tells from people i previously played with
>>3073162>Last 10% of mob hp>Tank breaks off to go pull>Mob follows Alternatively>Waits until mob dies>Now the group has downtime instead of going straight into the next mobYou vill pull ze next mob, und you will be happy
>>3073244This happened until the other guy's on my friends list quit
>>3073253How do you know they're not playing alts?
>>3073259Y-yeah, they're all just... Playing alts somewhere... Haha...
>>3073278I'm sure the people I met on my high level character think I've quit since I've been on my alt for the last few days
>>3073247If you need a monk to break a difficult camp it's typically a small room with 8 mobs in it and you kill them all and spawn camp them all hoping for a named. The tank isn't running off.
>hotfix still not in the game>deep areas are still broken in multiple ways>initial hotfix implementation a day ago got rolled back because the devs can't do anything rightat this point starting as a deep elf in AV might end up being unplayable
>>3073307>still broken in multiple ways
>be on /roleplay>it apparently makes you anon>spent days going without invites :(
>>3072049>Does anyone really want to be the failsafeyes it makes me feel useful ^_^
>>3072354we did that in eq
>>3073307The zone itself is great, it's a shame no one wants to xp grind there past lvl 10. I struggled to find groups for bm basement but as soon as I got to the surface I got instant invites. Good thing enc can skip the bs rep grinds
where's a good, populated place to hunt at 25? Fallen Pass is becoming too blue
>>3073278ive rerolled like 5 times since startingim sure if anyone friended me my now deleted characters are clogging their list up
>wood elf bard questline requires you to go interact multiple times with an NPC and do MUD commands on it while under the effects of a nonaggro potion>the NPC also functions as a named mob with multiple highly valuable loot drops and has one of the longest timers in the gamewhat the FUCK were they thinking?
>>3073340no blacksmithing in AV or smelting in the city, half the Blind Midden dungeon is still literally inaccessible due to being underwater when it's not supposed to me (don't ask how that's a bug because I cannot fathom it), etc.
>>3073379deserved for being cringe
>>3073515we did NOT do that in everquest that is a wow thing also lol>itsa me!
>>3073507Cinder Beetles? Goblins in sungreet? Goblins in glass flats? I forget their exact lvl range but sounds rightish
>every single named mob in AC, WB, IC, TE and most zones is claimedhow the fuck am I even supposed to get gear?? I literally just spent an hour doing nothing but running through areas and nothing.
>>3073651even if they werent camped trying to farm specific gear from a nm is not a good strategy to get gear
>>3073659what is the good strategy to get gear then? tradeskills all don't make money so you can't buy it.
>>3073515I just wanted a purple name and excuse for why I won't use the wiki....
>>3073651buy gold on redguides and then buy items:^)))))))))))
>leveling Cleric>woo level 15>party invites another Cleric>they have all the spells>super good named gear>doing all the healing plus dps and maintaining manaI hate this game
>>3073730Just sit back and enjoy your carry?
i've seen no less than 4 people complaining about various issues in ooc get shouted down in the span of the past two hours, and that was only when I was idling
>>3073743It should be me!
kek hey nerfed cinder beetle armor
>>3073651>form group>only invite people who cant contest your gear>say need before greed>profit
>>3073773>only invite people who can't contest you geardue to the armor and weapon systems that's borderline impossible tho
>>3073651What server are you on? I'll help.
>>3073809I'm an enchanter on trem, this shit is nutso lmao. Every resource node in the newbie yard gets instantly farmed by guild guys who are like level 30, while in Wyrmsbane I saw maybe one other group my level when a few of us did a run through yesterday, everyone was just high levels. Anyone who complains gets screeched at by the resident NH sandwich eaters too.
why the FUCK do i have to loot medallions now instead of chilling out and pulling
>>3073865>expecting money for nothingyou will pick yourself up by your bootstraps
>>3073864imagine being a high level and farming gear thats worth maybe 10-15 silver a dropi bet there are hundreds of nameds sitting up these guys can do that drop vastly superior gear yet these disingenuous fucks are too stupid to figure it out.
adrullan online adventures
>>3073932I played the beta, it was just EverQuest in minecraft.
>>3073893And chicks for free
>>3073864>tremso glad i rerolled on tilustra
>>3073864I don't have a character on Trem sadly
>>3073926the problem is that all those named require groups. it's simply impossible (or at the very least I have seen very few exceptions to this rule) to solo named mobs that con white or nearly white without putting yourself at a decent level of risk. combine that with the only avenues to get gear being from named enemies, and named enemies being rare, and loot being (at best) usually split among several need rolls if you're doing content your level in groups, and the result is everyone being chronically undergeared and the most efficient remedy for that being to farm noob content.
>>3070715>30 max playerstha fuck? even peq had more than that...
>>3073984what if i told you those arent the only nameds in the game, or that the gear dropped in wyrmsbane is actual dog shit?
>>3073969right we are spread out all over the place its a damn shame
>another hotfix and server shutdown that just nerfs money making
Last night I gained so much exp so quickly with what could be considered / referred to as a "truly premier" group, that I fear I may never reach such heightened efficiency ever again.You should've seen the mother fucking brd bros.
>>3074056the bard isnt chunking, he just pulls
>>3074056>le Rog is mid>le Rog just gave me the most efficient leveling exp in my lyfe
>>3074030Good luck organizing pugs to go to there. If it is not on wiki it doesn't exist as far as pugs concerned.
>>3073864avoid nh, go to the wood elf place or ud, its comfy there
>>3074070He was twirling with grace like a ballet dancer. Pirouetting between hired goons, unsuspecting farmers & lowly thugs. His hair bounced in the wind as he weaved amongst danger. Pull. Sing. Mez. Swing. Move. Pull. Sing. Mez. Swing. Move. It was beautiful. He was definitely on some brand of methylphenidate.
>>3074094>>3074056you were this Bard, weren't you
i wonder what exploits they fixed with crafting, someone was probably making money. We can't have that.
>>3074099no nigga I was the healer that sat down by the fire and watched in awe as the yellow bar went brr
>>3074050You WILL be a slave to our steel crafting overlords. You are nothing but dollar signs to them.
>>3074056>anon encounter ones person who isn't borderline afk at the wheel and possibly has two fully operating hands and immediately busts a nut
>>3074207Nta, but I was in that group. That bard did not have any free hands to eat a sandwich, that's worthy of a nut
>level 31 inquisitor killing level 10 thugs and running around with a donkeyMan, the economy must be fucked
Should just make it where you can drop gear from normal monsters that has a low chance of rolling stats on it. Like a Rusty Sword of the Bear like Diablo and WoW or some gay shit like that. And make it need only. This isn't the olden days of EQ where you could slightly trust people more to share loot.
>>3074256even reddit is losing it over donkeybvlls>>3068730
>>3074257We don't do that in eq
>>3074264I know and that's why this game is dogshit bruhceefus. You spend 5~6 hours OR MORE in a group and walk out a couple extra copper richer and maybe a level or two higher.
>>3074265We do that in eq
Whover coined the we do that in eq argument needs to be castrated. Do the devs really say that or is that just a meme from here?
https://old.reddit.com/r/MonstersAndMemories/comments/1x7agqa/can_the_devs_address_the_recent_economic_exploits/ph2jifm/lead dev is up at 3 am defending himself on reddit. whoever said they post in these threads was probably right.
>>3074274>3am>the dev in question lives in germany
>>3074264We do that in eq but shawn was kicked out by then which coincidentally aligns with eq becoming fun
>>3074278you telling me a german man put the european server in the us east?
>game comes out>play the hell out of it>spend a week on moving and working and other bullshit>finally get some time>feel absolutely zero desire to play anymore
>>3074285he isn't German.
>>3074292im gonna vomit
>>3074285the EU server is in france?
>>3074299i have 85 ping to the server from westcoast. its not in france although its possible the ingame measurement for ping is wrong.
>>3074313I have 20 ping to it from central europe
>>3074299it's in US east, just like the US west server
>>3074274the whole>close the wiki, get a group and go exploreargument only works if you or someone in your group roughly knows where the good stuff isat this point, 1 in 100 players is either a dev or a janny lol
what race should my shaman be bros? i kind of hate all the choices and wish troll existed.
>>3074384thats how it is. sucks dick.
why is there just 10+ level 20s camping green drakeling spawns in faelendill
>>3074392armor quest
>>3074355it's okay to be retarded, anon
>>3074420truth hurts?
I don't have enough mana to even kill a blacked drake...
>>3074438>as a healer, i feel insulted i cant solo to the cap
>>3074441*as the worst healer in the game
>>3074444>as a healer i complain that i can't perform every role at peak efficiencyokay i fixed it
>>3074441dudu deep dive mentioned they excel at soloing so I'm entitled to good soloing thoughbelt
>>3074452So did the monk one and it's probably among bottom threr
>>3074438i wonder if i can even hit it
Did the update ever happen?
>>3074543it happened then it unhappened then it happened and was unbirthed yet again and no the deep negroes still do not have a loom
>>3072258They still run out if they use their big damage spells.
>>3074543They rolled it back because npcs and nodes werent showing unless you reloaded ui. They left the molds in ud/av, which means nothing for AV as the smelter doesnt work
>>3074225Did you suck him off or how did he bust a nut if he didn't have free hands?
>>3074100I bet it was another>this item vendors for more than it costs to make>nerf the value right now!
>>3074547>>3074559Guess I will play something else for a couple more days..
>>3074564For whatever reason, the devs are extremely keen to avoid inflation in game, like drop the servers, hotfix, take the money back from the players. Was there ever a game that actually died to inflation, or is this just genx libtardian insanity?
>>3074570do you want to pay 90 silver for a stack of copper ore? i dont.
>>3074570Inflation is bad until it gets so bad people change to a barter economy. In a low supply high demand game like this inflation can be disastrous. FFXI is a good example of what happens. You literally get a server split into rich and poor. Rich buy off all the good shit, hoard it and only sell it to other rich people who can afford it. Poor can only hope to find something worth selling but they often can't because it's all locked down by the rich who camp every valuable spawn to all hell.What's weird is that MnM devs keep going after the vendor prices. They have been doing that since the early tests. But it wasn't until this recent nerf that they touched coin drops which were easily the best way to get money in the game after level 10.
>>3074570literally every mmo succumbs to it eventually. then they add in a token and it keeps on going but now they profit off goldselling .
just add gambling to curb the inflationworked for gw2
They should just let you buy a subscription with gold
>>3074570>For whatever reason, the devs are extremely keen to avoid inflation in gameAren't they just incentivizing money making via grinding mobs over crafting? I don't see how that addresses inflation when grinders have an infinite source of money (respawning mobs) that drop gear that gets sold once for profit. While a blacksmith for example would have to mine their ore (copper sells for like 1c and can be bought for 2c at vendors), smelt it (-4c per bar) and then at this point craft it hope to find a player buyer for their piece since something like copper plate greaves would sell less than a full stack of crocodile skins.The time investment for money is way out of whack for one type of player versus another.
ummm trent sweetie???
>>3074641>EUThis is why every European nation that doesn’t border the North Sea is considered brown.
>>3074641>10usd for scarab armori hope this person gets banned so hard his butthole prolapses
>>3074641>rusty steelliteral fucking garbage trash loot
>>3074647dont worry hes already powerleveled an alt druid to powerlevel more characters to keep this going forever.
>>3074641>pay 10.34eu>meet with 'this guy' >ban him so hard his tits flip
>>3074645Anon put that search on EU stupid
What's to stop me from just never worrying about gear upgrades as a dps? As long as I get into a group I dont feel like gear really matters, no one really screens your gear
>>3074660okay but dudutard look at how much money you can have. thats so much rusty steel.
>>3074669wtf I could get this much for selling my 40+ toon?
>>3074641>>3074669What a bunch of retarded faggot shit
>>3074675>toon
>>3074669>low pop server>less demand>lower pricesTruly amazing how that works
>>3074676sounds like somebodies wallet is experience friction...
>>3074680Yes.
>mfw
>>3074687More like my brain has friction from this retarded bullshit
>>3074698your knees look like penises.
>>3074641Dude you dont even need upgrades just group with people and be cool and you can use rawhide and rusty stuff until lvl 30 or 40
>>3074698>no one will answer LFG(roup)>strip everything and LFG(angbang)
>>3074270It's literally just one faggot in these threads repeating himself like a bot because he thinks it's the funniest shit ever, same as dudu.
>anons keep crying that they can't find any groups>be me>be dps per second>make my own group within 3 minutesits just that easy
>>3074722as one of those faggots; no there is at least two of us.
>>3074722it's the same /vm/ shitposter shitting up multiple threadshe lives in these threads so he picks up all the shitposts from other people and figures out what sort of bait the posters respond to but he never plays the games so he often gets outed for making claims that aren't true like the claim about EU server being hosted in US
>>3074274>Log in to view fucking reddit>Won't even post a screen cap of the bit he wants to shareCan you genuinely just kill yourself?
>>3074291This is usually how it goes when the sunk cost wears offIt's funny seeing people "snap out" of their desire to play these horribly unfun games when they just detox for a couple days
>>3074722As another one of those faggots, no there's at least 3 of us apparently
>>3074744The last time I "detoxed" it's because I was playing for 18 hours a day for 4 weeks and got heart palpitations and had to stop before I hurt myself Once I felt better I finished level my dark elf rouge on the green server and was satisfied after exploring everything
we are so back!
>first major patch exploded on liftoff>deep gnome bards pushed even further backI'm just spinning my wheels while waiting for the character I actually want to play, and increasingly falling behind the exp curve.
I wish you could get rid of the hair on halfling feet. I know that's their whole thing and all but come on. Keep the whimsical look and the big feet but please
>>3074757Some people are simply retarded, and that's okay.Note that it's not okay to be retarded, it's just an inevitability and normal people have to accept that people like you will always exist.
>>3074801if you lick hard enough you can lick them off
>inqs are LE b-ACK!
>>3074810Halflings are the only other race I'd be willing to play other than Deep Gnome. I just can't get over those feet.. Need someone to do that for me cause I'm not licking that.
>>3074810as an enc, I feel so cucked when there is an inq tank
>>3074810Inq is the sleeper hit tank
>the skeletons drop barely any coin>2 levels and I have 5 silver worth of copper>the fire is too warm>the stone tiles are too cold>my ass is getting numb from all this sitting>I want to go to west bank and get SoW
>>3074833What does an Enchanter even do if there's an Inquisitor tank? Just buff and use both hands to eat your sandwich?
Think I’m unfortunately going to be stuck in this game for some time, lads
>>3074559AV does have a functional smelter at the foreign quarter blacksmithbut there are no anvils so you can't turn the ingots into armour or weapons
>>3074891charm and make everybody unhappy>>3074907fae dwagon says trans rights sis
>>3074907fae dragon? more like GAY dragon[ ] NOT Told[x] Told[x] No Country for Told Men
>>3074804You're posting in a 4chan general about a 27 year old remake of the original everquest, you're just as retarded bud
>lets jump down>negro doesn't dismiss his petI lost whole yellow bar...
>>3075007wait do pets generate their own aggro range in mnm?
>>3075013yes
>>3075014we didn't do that in eq...
Is enchanter really as cucked as I'm lead to believe or are people being babies?
>>3075058Charm breaks way too easilyIt's supposed to be better with high cha but good luck getting gear
>>3075058it's the best class assuming tank is not inq and 90% of the time it's not
>>3075089> it's the best class assuming tank is not inqAnd you don’t have a monk or a bard. Or a SK tank.
>>3075107>Or a SK tank.what is the sk tank doing
>>3075107bard really should not be ccing
>>3075114in this lowbies imagination sk is pulling with fd (lol)
>>3075115Nobody should be ccing unless everything went wrong.
>>3075126splitting my own pulls the exp per hour is gonna be lit
you can see how many times you -ACK!ed in the ledger btw
Isn't the reason Shadowknights are underpowered and thus getting so much hate just due to them literally not having their central class mechanic in the game?
>>3075174I'd still rather have sk tank over fighter any day
>>3075174that combined with their spells in general being very very weak. which is true of early everquest.
>>3075174It goes inquisitor = paladin > shadow knight > fighterIdk what they plan on giving shadow knight since the most they have really gone into it is just implying he will get stronger from studying monsters and that can really be anything from final fantasy blue mage (no way will mnm do anything that cool) to stupid tiny pluses and minuses nobody will ever give a fuck about
>>3075197>warrior is the worstb-but my streamer said warrior was the best cause they do the most damage!!
>>3075200they do but like fighter damage is still 30% of actual dpsers damage so it doesn't matter, we want utility
>>3075207How good is the armor debuff?
>>3075207just wait for raid content where you will be the only tank that matters
>>3075192It's not just that the spells like lifetap are weak it's that it is completely at odds with what a melee combatant wants to be doingThe lifetap should literally just be a short to medium term dot that siphons life out of the target so the sk doesn't have to combat cast constantly if he wants to actually use his fucking class featureI also really don't like the pet, it's too weak to do anything of value. I kind of wish they would just give sk uncontrolled temporary pets after contributing to the death of an enemy, like a bonus for killing a monster or something instead of letting us be this really weird pet class except nobody cares about the pet
>>3075210it's good in theory but you need to stack is so it's not good in practice
>>3075212modern gaymers are not going to care about 5% more mit bakask will mog fighter in dps at the end mark my words
>>3075219>should literally just be a short to medium term dot that siphons life out of the target so the sk doesn't have to combat cast constantly if he wants to actually use his fucking class featurethey will give you this because eq gave them that but unfortunately it will just be a horrible piece of shit not worth casting.>I also really don't like the pet, wait until you hear about the game where this horrible pet came from and how it took 10+ years for it to find some use other than as a pulling tool. its a good thing they want to separate them from being extremely bad necromancer but unfortunately thats where the drawing board put them currently.
>>3075058Best crowd control in the game with some solid buffs as well. The issue is enchanter DPS is a joke since charm has been nerfed to the point it's not even worth using, so if your group is competent or the camp has already been broken you're not contributing shit. And because MMOs serve only as a daycare for the mentally ill, you end up with autists who can only think in absolutes who won't group with you because some streamer said your class may or may not be subpar.
>>3075225something tells me the devs aren't going to innovate here so FGT wont be getting good adps contributions or personal dps. you are probably right but for the wrong reasons (sk will just shred more ac).
>>3075230>its a good thing they want to separate them from being extremely bad necromancer but unfortunately thats where the drawing board put them currently.Yeah their approach to the knight classes is good in theory but they really just don't seem to know what to do with Fighter and SK now.
>>3075232Exactly thats the issue is theres no gameplay if your team has brain cells or have their own cc. You just sit there and watch YouTube while siphoning xp. I mean it can be fun but not worth 15$ for a quarter finished game.
>>3074833>>3074891Feels like enchanter should have something more special to support the group than just cc and some buffs. Short buffs that don't have a 100% uptime or something like the spellblade stance -> conduit system where the enchanter has to choose what he's gonna do because he can't do everything at the same time.
Deep Elf WIZARDENCHANTEROR NECRO
>>3075445Elementalist so you can feel the pain of 1 silver malachites
>>3075445BiS for each cast sissyWizard: Deep Elf. Male or female. Racist. Enchanter: High Elf actually a female goblin with illusion high elf Elementalist: Gnome Male. Master - BlasterNecromancer: Deep Gnome. Female. Give em a boner.
>>3075401either give debuffs a bigger impact or let charm have a quick cast and be dismissible without invis.
>>3075445chudromancer
>>3075445enchanter for a deep elf is nice because you can completely skip the rep grind
>>3075232>>3075367Just group with retards then, problem solved.
>>3075089I should roll an inq just to cuck encs
>>3075219At this point the pet is in only because EQ SK had a pet.
>>3075225They care about 5% mit because 5% mit means that much less mana spent by the healers, it might even mean needing fewer healers in a raid (depends where the mana breakpoints end up).What no one is going to care about is whether the tank does 0.1% or 0.15% of the boss's healthbar
>>3075445DEEP ANTEATERNELFCROWIZHENCHMENARDCHOOSE YOUR FIGHTER
>>3075640raid size they aim for is 3 groups so I doubt you'll ever bring more than one of each healer or 2 clercis and 1 shaman
>>3075445Enchanter so I have more enchanters to group with
>>3075662Depends on how they design raid encounters. All healers have groupwides on looong cooldowns.
>>3075671druid doesn't
>>3075676Jesus, the devs hate Druids bad. Not that I blame them.
>>3075687druid just won't see raidswe do that in eq
This guy's insane, right?
>>3075702*sniiiifff*yep, that's a trem mutt
>>3075702>10g>for a level 15 weapon??????
>>3075702hey Pedro, you owe me 9g 50s
i know this is the wrong subreddit for this but man trannies are just so annoying
>>30757023 INT BRO!!!
>>3075736True, but what prompted this comment I wonder? Are they already spamming trans rights on ooc?
>been an mmo player off and on since p99 EQ>been an officer for many different guilds and for to many different times>had to deal with a lot of men cucking off over women during those times>buddy joins a random guild>i eventually join>discord is normal>women eventually joins>men start to act like cucks>saying shit like we gotta let her afk in our grp or else she will fall behindI fucking hate cucked out niggers man, JUST BE NORMAL
>>3075838So it goes. So it goes...
>>3075838>discord
>>3075838Just have her play an afk job
>more reversions to even the good shit that stayed after the hotfix reversionHow can one dev team be so incompetent?
>>3075968what did they revert?when are they going to revert the tradeskill economy nuke?
>>3075838mmo players are so weird about women, any other genre the worst I'll get is called a slut or whore or the like but with mmos these people creep me the fuck out trying to simpjust call me names you freaks
I'm trying to understand how bard kiting works.So you:>find mob>make sure you have three buff songs, one of which is the self haste and the other of which is the slow>tab target enemy, fire off damage song (or both? if it's still possible to kite with just one speed song)>run in circles until deadDo I have the right idea? If so, how long does it take to kill enemies with the songs compared to other classes?
>>3076023Okay tranny
>>3075999about half of the blind midden is more or less inaccessible unless you're dramatically overleveled due to being underwater (don't ask me how this is even a bug). yesterday the bug appeared to clear up, but today it's back again.
>>3075473>Necromancer: Deep Gnome. Female. Give em a boner.Boner because skeleton right? H-haha
>>3076046thanks
>they still haven't reverted the economy/medallion nerfsit's really fun because these retard devs forgot to actually add the medallions to a significant number of enemies that used to primarily do coin drops
>>3074726kingly.
>>3076098>2 hours at mangler spawn in AC>get 2 levels>make 8 silver in cash and dropsbeautiful gameplay
https://www.reddit.com/r/MonstersAndMemories/comments/1x7agqa/can_the_devs_address_the_recent_economic_exploits/the dev responded and has basically confirmed that if you find some sort of immersive way to make money via crafting or trade skills, you'll get banned. I believe the anon who a day or two ago was talking about getting banned for grinding starter mobs in the underdocks to create spider silk hats was actually telling the truth.Obviously, this doesn't bode well for this game.
just be healer and you'll get invited>b-but muh lvl 20 anecdotesget out of the tutorial before speaking to me
>>3076160healers and tanks are the least invited classes, cope
>>3076157>craft and make 20 stacks of wool bandages when they vendored for 15s a stack>didn't get bannedshould I turn myself in?
>>3076166I said get past 20 before posting
>>3076187I am past 20.
>>3076023see you in adrullan, christmas cake :)
ya seethe, kid?
>>3076157>Shawnduh admits it's an extended beta test>get permanently banned from the real game for beta testing the gamelawl.
>>3076200then you are just lying
>>3076171If you want what's best for the game obviously you should.
>>3076200what lvl r u. honestly wanna know so I can compare myself.
>>3076160Druids get invites because they can tp to anywhere in the world from Night Harbor in 10 minutes, and fulfill either heal or dps roles. This is why they should be just “adequate” in both roles.
>>3076238what a retard, druid does not even remotely fulfill a dps role at these level you fucking mongoloiddruid gets invited because there's barely any healers at these levels
>How I feel sailing home from Keeper's Bight with another inventory full of pelts and meat while the big city folk argue about whether their newest get rich quick scams are legal or notGonna make so much wolf jerky when I get back to town, you boys got no idea.
>>3076217>>3076243put a tripcode on, breh
>>3076243… I might add, they get invited despite their rock bottom IQs and awful personalities…
I have officially gone from this games biggest fan and supporter, hyping this game to friends for years to now hoping this shit fails.Shawn and his retard collection clearly have no idea what they are doing. The only useful people on their team is an artist and their soundtrack guy.Their dev priories and their dumbass discord community are insufferable to talk to. The only, seriously ony, good communication about this game is this thread. Actual humans are here, I do hope you all keep enjoying the game but I'm out as I have no trust in the development of it in a years time.
>>307623028>>3076217>get past x level>no urs lying :^)this game gets dead as fuck past level 18 or so.
>>3076261art thou perplexed?
>>3076261can i get your silver anon
>>3076279are you on trem?
>5 different quests in starter zones for newbie armor>literally zero wearable by casterscome on
>sitting at a camp lfg>two other people lfg next to mewhy does it feel so exhausting to me to just start the group myself? i used to do this kind of thing all the time but id rather just sit here and do nothing
>>3076261>to now hoping this shit fails.I'm not sure why you would hope it fails. I would hope they get their shit together and make the game good.
>>3076278See heres the thing, I don't even care about ingame systems to prevent things. I care more that they pick and choose what they want or not and claim its the "Play Nice" system. Sure you can camp an area for 24 straight hours but if you call him a faggot or they get trained? BANNED. You make too much money compared to the AFKers hawking their 10gp level 10 gear in NH? NERFED/REPORTED. You DARE do damage when not a DPS? Shawn! Please nerf [x]!It's either you do a system or you dont, not this protectionist GM shit. Oh and I hope the faggots Trent, Derelicte and Shawn ever read this and remember it when their game has 200 fossils playing in 6 months time.
>>3076290Scarab, drakescale and fungus. What are the other two?
>>3076312Because when you do try to start something usually nobody else wants to even try. The only times I get a group going is when there's someone else who also wants to get it going. Can't do that shit alone it's miserable if you do. Most people behave like they're NPCs they wait to get invited to a ready group, they follow the directions blindly and never speak. Playing fucking Erenshor gives you more social interaction than these "people".
>>3076313I say it because I don't think they'll learn anything without pushbacks, they clearly are in their own world/dont play their own game.
Hood tanks wear dankscale
fat fucking looties
>>3076261My own clone
>>3076338This feels like the time I should join the guild and happen to be there when you are happily handing out this loot.
Do you think the devs will ever forgive me for this?
>>3076332I knew it was gonna be like this, but rolled the dice with my $15 anyway. I dont mind supporting a project like this, but things will never be like they were in the early days of MMOs so building your game around that time frame with NO modern concessions/objective improvements is just a recipe for disaster. SoloQuest and my local Azerothcore WOTLK server with LLM powered playerbots continue to be the peak "MMO" experiences for me in tyool 2026.
>>3076332kek I was drunk playing Erenshor one night. I wigged myself out for a minute when I killed one of those end-raid god bosses and got a bunch of whispers telling me "grats" and asking what loot dropped
>>3076359>SoloquestLmao hope you're a good goy christfag too.
>>3076215Yeah I just don't get what the fuck they are even doing. >It's a beta>But you get banned for finding bugs>And also we charge you for finding then for us>But don't forget it's a beta (so don't be too hard on us for our poorly designed game)Like what are we even doing here?
I hope someone will invite my BST too their party.I was playing with roleplay on and apparently that's like anon...I didn't know I just thought I was smelly
>>3076338>NEETs and boomers on pensions are already in the level 40s and 50s and locking down all loot spawns to form market cartelsthis game is dying already, it's crazy
>>3076422>too TO I meant to! I'm not brown! Oh no...the EU guild is gonna bully me
>>3076403Devs noticed the rimming trend getting popular in porn and wanted their asses licked too.
>>3076316>>3076261>Gm dick sucker turns into hater when he finally falls prey to their stupid rulings$10 says you were in a prior thread laughing at other people talking about how they got banned
>>3076427that's level appropriate content though
>>3076427>drops from high watchman albury Update the wiki sis
>>3076316>I don't even care about ingame systems to prevent things. I care more that they pick and choose what they want or not and claim its the "Play Nice" system.>Human enforced system falls prey to the issues all human enforced systems fall prey toWho could have seen this coming? If only there was some third party way of arbitrating that did not rely on an individual human's judgment, especially in the context of such a small team, perhaps some sort of machine that relied on rules and only outsourced another ruling to a human when escalated
WTF is wrong with covenant Are they all like habitually retarded
>Good morning, Community.>There has been some (considerable?) consternation over Moderation and I'd like to clear some things up.>We are not 'quick to ban' (or suspend or warn). There have been thousands of violations (mostly training and camp issues) that we gave reminders for and nothing official gets done to the account. If people want to continue to do the badness after they've been reminded, that is on them and we will start in with the official warnings.>Typically, we give warnings first, then increasing suspensions, then removal.>There are situations in which we may skip a step (or three). These usually have to do with language or harassment but if there is a need to remove players so that they cannot do more immediate harm, we will do that.They skip straight to banning for mean words despite there being a profanity filter and mute function. Why do people want to socialize in MMOs again? Everything and everyone on the Internet is so gay. Go socialize on X, where you can say nigger.
>>3076513>do the badness
>>3076513The era of socializing ended when you could get your money stolen for insulting the wrong faggot
>shakur still seething about getting caught running a Claude script in the Necromancer starter areaThis isn’t an immigration hearing, you just get deported here.
>>3076434No, I always hated Trent but I been one of the mad grumblers for the past threads because of Enchanter, Tradeskills and economy stuff. The dev's shit has just made me more mader every day so far. Since Nick got fired this shits gotten worse and worse.I am the player who dares touch the barely working housing system rather than camped content. I hit level 18 and have no hope in this game anymore.
>Big human staff >Goblina pov
How much are people selling/buying a stack of Flux for on TREM?
Are there any melee classes that are reasonably good at soloing?
>>3076572No, BST sucks, my pet cant hold aggro.
How do you look at trait picks and other stuff after character creation?
>>3076578P
>>3076572Everything in this game has so much hp and hits you so hard that kiting is mandatory for solo.
>>3076285no i'm on tilustra
Why the hell did they make purchasing sea salt so autistic? It's not a big deal or anything but seriously, I don't understand. Why is it like this? For non-cooks>Have to buy "Cellar of Sea Salt" from the cook>it has 14 charges and each charge gives you 1 pinch of sea salt.>sea salt stacks up to 20 so you should just buy it and immediately pull it all out into a real stack anyway
>>3076651bcuz u can stack the cellars perhaps. dunno
>>3076665Nope, they don't stack. It's harmless, just a really bizarre decision to make. Maybe at one point it was supposed to have more charges or something like that.
>>3076171you already have, devs read this thread and will go back in the logs to find your character and ban your account tonight
>>3076651>>3076674Love that FRICTION.
cleric healer might unironically be the highest skill role in the game, lately as I've gotten into higher level dungeons I've noticed that I have to manage dispells, cure disease and poison, do multiple different buffs and monitor their timers, tailor heals for situations, manage aggro, provide emergency damage shields, monitor group mana levels so the melee tards don't kill us all, and weave in holy strikes on top of that.and despite all that, I still have trouble finding groups and due to the loot changes now barely make any money.
>>3076786what level are you sis
>>3076786oh I forgot, I'm also often the first to die because tanks in this game are retarded and can't properly generate threat, so saving their lives inevitably leads to me getting aggro with them doing nothing to save me. then after wipes I'm expected to rez everyone.If I take this class out past the 30s I'm going to start letting certain people in group who behave like apes die repeatedly.
44 is a real fucking hell level...
>I have to press button a when i see visual effect a and button b when i see visual effect b>I have to set an eggtimer>I have to cast my most mana efficient heal (no other spell matters)>I have to not push heal button until tank has agro>I have to push other button sometimesSandwichsisters... what are we supposed to do in the face of such anti culinary practices...
>>3076837Nigga how many hours a day have you been playing
>>3076854far more complex than tanks or DPS that boil down to push single button while autoattacking
>>3076854>>3076999>stand behind mob>hit backstab>bitch at the tank for being shit>collect dopamineSimple as.
>unnerfed inq charmed mob casually tanks namedchanter kikes dare to cry they can't do this anymore
>>3077016i thought inqs got aoe stuns and mezes, not charmsAre inqs literally just better enchanters?
>>3077037inq has unnerfed charm that lasts 1 minute on 30 min coodown, it's their version of lay on hands
>>3074722dont forget the soloeq troll hes put in enough work to be accounted for and acknowledged
>>3074668It doesn't matter for healers eitherKinda does for tanks, but the total time it would take to regularly gear up is so much higher than the time it would take to just level up on slightly easier mobs that it's pointless for them tooMaybe this changes in the 50s idk
>>3074763lizard and troll bros know your pain. i stopped playing entirely.
How many disenfranchised people have quit and are lurking and funposting here? I can't be the only one
>>3075702maybe it looks really cool
>>3077080what caused the disenfranchisement?
>>3074668>What's to stop me from just never worrying about gear upgrades as a dps?I did this in eq
>>3075736bro have you seen our server wide discord that we try to fit the whole server in? have you even been linked to it yet? get the hell out of the in game chat and enter ours. become one of us.
enchanter or wizard alt?
>>3076045March -> Both Vellicosas twice on loopBuy a brass instrument for 50% more dmg
>>3077108negro
>why can't I find a group as a healer
>>3076261>good communication about this game is this threadive had some fun with people in one group and some amusement in /ooc but its really quiet out there for how many people are actually around
pullers are the biggest niggers in the game complete incapable of looking at healer mana
>>3077124Say something in party chat you lazy faggot
>>3076316I tried explaining this the other day. That the devs were acting like fools but all I got was muh heckin gms pillory and give attention to botters its great!
>>3076023because in mmos you have a non zero chance of getting pussy over a videogame. no woman ever sucked my dick from tf2.
>>3076555how did they fail so bad at making QT gobbo chicks when they aced deep gnomes and halfling girls.
>>3076261next month over 70% of the sub base will vanish and not a single thing will be learned. game devs never correct themselves even when reality hits them in the face.
I'm enjoying playing this video game and I have a lot of faith in the development team to pull this off. I'm looking forward playing this for months to come.
>>3077091For me in particular? Nothing specific I guess, it was a lot of things that just piled up and caused me to lose all enthusiasm for the game. I can list a couple I guess1) I got really fucking tired of being disappointed every new spell level I hit. Everytime I was like "hey this sounds like a cool power, I bet this was a gamechanger" turns out the spell was just really fucking lame and not very fun to use at all. The particular example in my mind is the consecrated ground spell that Paladins get; I was picturing something with low to zero uptime to make the class a real "plant your ass in this area" sort of tank that makes you feel real strong as long as you can control the specific area you're fighting on. What I got instead was a 2x2 square that minorly empowers your heal-on-bonk skill and during my testing literally did not even increase my megabonk skill at all, on a fucking 3 minute or some shit cd. It just felt like shit to use2) Watching the devs utterly fumble the fuck around constantly like a fucking 3 stooges skit, making it clear they have zero clue how to manage a live service game. No trade skill npcs for one of their newbie cities? Classes who don't even have their core features (Shadow Knight Monster studies or whatever) even started on? Daily bans for anyone who figures out how to many more money than a fucking dirt farmer, unless of course they happen to be in tight with the devs?3) Spending hours in LFG and ooc trying to find a group every day while doing the most mindnumbing soloing because I aint joining the fucking 'cord. Literally all the friends I made in wyrm wound up quitting in the game and it just got harder and harder to find groups even as early as the low teens to the point where I was spending almost as much time trying to get a group together than actually playing
>>30771594) Spending 1 hour on a corpse run because my full group pulled a red that looked like any of the other reds we had been grinding and turned out it was 15 levels higher instead of around 4 levels higher, which I only found out because I looked it up on the wiki, fully confirming for me that for all the cope about adventuring and exploring this game is just one big wiki knowledge check5) Hailing the entire fucking Red Mantle faction trying to turn in my scroll of "reveal the shapeshifter niggers" scroll to someone of authority, finally just wiking the quest, and realizing that no, the devs just wanted me to make friends with the foreigners who wanted to sneak into human society unabated and there was no other way to go about the questIDK that's a handful of bad experiences but overall I wouldn't say it was anything specific or some grandiose moment, I just woke up one day and realized that I was not interested in paying a monthly fee to beta test their janky shitpile of a game
>My group didn't suck and wasn't moving at 3 apm
>>3077117>You only need one healer per group>They're the most populated role by farIs it just time to reroll bros?
>>3077080i unsubbed, but there is a brave guy who runs an anti discord guild. i might actually log in today and ask him how his venture has gone. curious if it was successful.
>>3076312I dunno about making formal holy trinity full groups, but 3-4 people just joining up to handle groups of mobs more easily seems to be pretty easy to accomplish
>>3077180>sub lvl 20irrelevant
>world first lvl 60 just happened>it's rangernegros on suicide watch
>>3077182I cancelled my sub and am only playing my little BST for fun. The thing is I cannot imagine possibly trying to progress with in this community. I'd have to pretend and kiss so much ass too so many fucking losers I'd genuinely just start screaming slurs. The EU guild with that one retard spamming "We don't do that in EQ" to everything was enough to make me want to headbutt him through his screen.It's not funny mate.
>>3077203It's a ranger in a 6 man sweaty static**
>>3077209>I'd have to pretend and kiss so much ass too so many fucking losersWe do that in EQ
>>3077124It's worth saying how much MP you need to functionChances are there are also ways for you to optimize rest time too
>>3077198How do I get over 20 if my role is saturated and I can't ever get a group?
>>3077221Start a group.
>>3077209>I have to understand social norms and not be an edgy teenagerrough
>>3077222And when all the other healers take that same advice...?
>>3077209we do that in eq though
>>3077223That's the exact opposite of what it is, just replace edgy teenager with basement dwelling troon with no teeth.They do that in EQ.
>>3077230They won't, healer mains are spiritually bottoms 99% of the time.
>>3077237hes right
anyone on tilustra want to join a guild?
>>3074722Faggot #4 checking in.
>al*x finally gave up on retoilet- and is back in M&Mlets fucking gooo
>ooc selling rawhide backpacks send tell>oh great this retard is gonna ask me for 12s or something>wants 4s >ask where to meet>"im thinking of when is the best time"what the fuck did he mean by this?
>>3077295lol he'll be right back in wow when the next beta phase opens
>>3077295the only streamers playing that garbage are the ones making a lot of money off of it
>>30773044 AM is the best time. Well late enough for annoying party monkeys to have crashed out, no else except bakers and farmers are awake yet. Can go for a walk with no one in the world to bother you.
why the fuck do resource nodes just vanish infront of me with nobody next to them. sometimes they reappear when i run away and actually stay. what is this schrodingers fucking cat nonsense.
>>3077335I'm invis, sry
>>3077338i have see invis cunt!!!
>>3077340>wants his spell to target cunts specificallybro your sandwich offhand is finna be replaced by manhog
>>3077335my favorite resource nodes are the ones inside the tree hitbox and you can't click on them
>>3077368fuck if my first experience in this game wasn't trying to pull the skeletons out of the lift and trees in elfcunt land. and then i got a wood chopping axe and the wood was in the fucking trees.
>>3077335probably exploiters and botters mining nodes from underground
>>3077384i cant explain it other than that or other players dont render. trying /reload thinking maybe the patch revert didn't fix it for trade nodes didn't do shit unfortunately.
>>3074722Everybody in this thread is a FGT.
>lvl43 shadow knight>250armor 2000hp>i get absolutely obliterated by anything that touches me
>>3077442we do that in eq
>>3077442game expects everything to be slowed
>>3077442group up, buddy
>>3077442those stats are for the community to utilize, they arent for your direct benefit.
>>3077442>SKs finding out they are squishier than a squeak toyMaybe try a paladin or a fighter if you want to not be a mana sponge
>the thread is dead because everyone's busy enjoying playing the game and the shitposter went to bed
Kelethin...home
>>3077616im playing the game thoughbeit
>>3077616I'm having a blast
>>3077616guild member count?
>>3077674not enough
>>3077616theres a chat dropoff right around now every day. if i wasnt a lazy fuck id check timezones to see what time it is elsewhere in the world. seeing as the euroboys easily have the most dominant guild presence here, it could be them going to bed.
>>3077617insane how much of a better layout design it has over the knockoff
>>3077736turns out having most platforms branch off from 1-2 routes is better than having one really long autism road in the sky. all the lifts go to a nice little newbie area too.
>>3077722>EU going to bed around 3 in the morningYeah okay it IS an EQ thread
Any idea what this is for?
>>3077773Probably a turn in for that paladin faction in nh
>>3077773now the devs would want you to ask in zone, but im going to do what they would, and look at the wiki. there is a Penitent Knight's Tunic cleric/paladin quest apparently. wouldnt be surprised if its involved in that.
>>3077617>>3077749thinking back to it there is a lot more going for kelethin than i thought. its simply smaller, the trips to places are nowhere near as long. the lifts go much faster compared to the snail pace here. you can eventually just drop off for multiple shortcuts or even to the ground after level 10~. here i jump off into the lake and somehow randomly crater at the bottom instead of landing safely. im not sure if its better or worse but eq generally starts you in the guild or immediately next to your GM while this game just dumps you at the gate which makes more sense for powergamers i guess. having started in faelindral i lost count of how many people were just fucking lost trying to find the beast/shaman/druid guild.
I wish they'd add chat bubbles. The amount of times I miss someone talking to me because I'm not looking at my chat or I'm in a different chat tab is unreal.Was their reasoning for not having them that they're not immersive or something?
>>3077865Their reason for not having them is they weren't in EQ.
if anyone wants on tilustra wants a guild tag whisper mido
>>3077906wats da guild name
>>3077907We Do That In EQ
>>3077907Fallen Leaves the old /vm/ p99 green tag
>>3077906>tilustraappreciate the effort but damn we are spread out all over in the u.s. side of things
someone said there are like level 5 deepcut in UD but ive only ever found the level ~12 ones where are the lower ones?
>>3077865>Was their reasoning for not having them that they're not immersive or something?I've never understood this reasoning against chat bubbles. Given that they obviously aren't going to bombard people with localized audio cues, what could be more immersive than being able to tell when someone is speaking in your vicinity?
I know this is probably a dumb question but how is Wizard for soloability and general exploration?
>>3077865"they clutter the screen"
>>3078140no
>>3078140they can kind of solo decently in the right situation but i wouldnt go exploring on one. They have travel utility though
>>3078239what's the best exploration class then?
>>3074722faggot 5 reporting for duty
>>3078268a wood elf druid is a good candidateotherwise rogue
>>3078140Soloing is easy but you will use your entire mana bar for a blue, give or take, so recovery takes a while. Exploration wise we're probably one of the best, because we get ports, invis, and exodus, all of which allow you to pretty much go everywhere ever very quickly. You're really only walking through an entire zone for specific locations.Just as a small example, I joined a friend at cinder beetles in the quarry. Started at my bind at west bank, gated to glass flats, exodus to zone line, walked 2 minutes to quarry, instead of the 15 minute NH-W > NH-N > 3/4 north into Strand run that it normally is.
>>3077943honestly why didnt you niggers just go trem, all servers are going to get merged to it anyway
>>3078337b-b-b-b-b-but my overpopulation...
>>3078337we totally flubbed the fuck out of things
>>3078337I would've preferred Trem but everyone was on EU already apparently.
is it just me or is necro currently highly overrated, not just in terms of the pet tanking but also its general solo ability
>>3078371necro is good at everything including group play
>>3078371you can get from 1~60 and never take a point of damage and very little downtime in general. It's unlikely you will ever die and you don't really need any gear.
>>3078371If anything it's underrated
>>3078337Because I like killing mobs and named mobs
I had a dream that they added a permadeath duel option. If one of the small races loses to an ogre, the ogre picks them up and swallows them whole. Then for several minutes afterwards you can hear muffled screams coming from inside them.
>>3078883Weird vore fantasy there, bud
>found a cute dress>it has no wisit's over...
Finally reached 15 on my first character. Sadly it's not a character who has any gathering professions so I'm not certain if I should even buy a mount.Are mounts worth it for the movement speed alone (I'm a Necro; a non-movespeed buff class) or are they really not that practical? I heard they aren't like wow mounts that disappear when you go indoors and I'm not sure what's the point of riding my mount somewhere only to have it die to respawns as I go dungeon delving.
>>3077080I made my way back towards AV to do my house quest, got the item I needed on the way and then swam to zone into AV and logged off. Never bothered to make my way back to the city. It's been days.I guess the spark to keep playing just wasn't there.
>>3077335>>3077397It reminds me of bugged phasing in WoW. Especially prevalent on private servers. You'd see a node from far but once you got close it disappeared because it was across some invisible phase line. >>3077384Fucking hilarious if this game already has underground botters. WoW has had that problem forever.
>>3077944In the mines on the rafters. I think they're like 5-7(8?). Easy to pull multiples there so don't go in there if you're not prepared for that.
>>3077080I can imagine the fact they didn't bother including basic crafting profession trainers, vendors and stations for AV on EA release turned off a lot of people who started as DEsAnd once they decided to actually add that content in they baked it in with some experimental optimization system which, of fucking course caused gameplay breaking bugs so they had to roll back everythingfeels like complete ass that I have to spend an hour traveling 1 way just to be able to do some crafting autism
>>3079019It is pretty funny they can't separate a content update from a code update. Amateur hour developers.
my group is formed around a useless twat of a tank who brought together a bunch of dps to carry him to kill a named mob 7 levels higher than he is so he can get gear he doesn't deserve. He can't even taunt the fucking thing.
>reach 70 int on my level 18 necrogearmaxxing
>>3079051we do that in eq
>>3079067This game doesn't eve have /pizza, this is fucking bullshit
>>3079074>Smeds after smoking a jointHEY YOU KNOW WHAT THIS GAME DOESNT HAVE?PIZZA DELIVERY TIE-INS
>>3079055post xer ass
endgame is going to be lovely. >need a FIGHTER no fucking SKs>necromanabattery LFG>LF DPS NEED WIZARDS AND ROGUES EVERYONE ELSE FECK OFFF
>>3079098>endgameshould we tell xem?
>>3079106theres fucking dragons, they need a particular set of jews to kill
>>3079098you are so out of touch what classes do p99 boomer
gonna make spellblade altwhich race?
>>3079116get plugged ya tosser
>>3079122i want a DG but settled for a gnome. max dex, some int
>>3079122Deep elf or human. >>3079135Gnome spellblade just doesn't feel right.
>>3079135I do kinda want to make a chud gnome with the cunt eyes
>>3079144spellblade needs dex and int, gnomes have #1 dex #2 int
>>3079157their main stat is still str
>>3079157Who the fuck cares about a couple points here and there when don't even change your damage? You can make a spellblade with the lowest int and the highest int and your weapon procs will deal the same amount on the same level.
>>3079165t. lvl 20
>>3079161STR is super ez to gear for
I love higher levels solo sitting on mobs and shitting in a sock. I love it so much.
>>3079233>bro has been camping her for over 4 hours if you add up all the 8min respawn timers
>>3079233what compells retards to camp worthless wyrmsbane nameds?
>>3079233Why do you feel you deserve it more than them? What a weird take. Learn to share.
>>3079246I don't want it at all, I'm just observing the cringe while I try to map this fucking place out in my head.
>>3079243Considering he said >she doesn't want to spawnMeans he's camping the ghost lady at the bottom, which is one of the 3 NMs that can drop the 6% haste cloak. Also he is a BRD and if I'm not mistaken BRD needs an item from her to complete a class quest, at which point he's doing what the game wants him to do
>>3079233UpdateThe niggers who play this game will be the reason it dies lmao
How do you respond without sounding mad?
>>3079326you don't
>>3079326What a threat.
>>3079166You think starting with 25 or 30 int makes any fucking difference at a high level? It won't. One won't be doing even 1 damage more than the other.
>>30793675 int is 1.2% more spell damage
>>3079300Let me guess the quest item is nodrop but people who can't even do the quest can pick it up.
>>3079373Feel free to prove me wrong using the game.
big looties
>>3079397aren't those two 39s not getting any xp?
>>3079400higher level you get the wider the level cap can be
>>3079033Pls understand claude is very hard to use
urge to train this nigger is pretty high right now
>>3079500accidents happen so easily
>>3079500hasn't he already trained himself tho?
>>3079524it's a bard, they do that in eq
thinkign bout playing a Hex-Knight in AOA
dead game
>>3079568sell me on AoA
>>3079666it's one of a whopping 2 EQ-likes in development so if you like Everquest then you'd probably be interested in AoA
>>3079695Suppose that I thought Everquest was mid and Dark Age of Camelot was better because its combat was actually engaging, how might that change my calculus if I still have plenty of tolerance for old school MMOs?
>>3079666it looks like minecraft and everyone looks like a minecraft avatar
>>3079706camelot unchained lmao
>>3079706Nigga it's a free pre-alpha, just make an account on Nov 1 and give it a shot. For me, this is the very first time since Minecraft came out that I am trying anything at all related visually to Minecraft.
>>3079715Low blow...>>3079713This isn't a dealbreaker for me, if anything it's got a better visual style than M&M does>>3079719Yeah you're right fuck it>Summoner sounds like it can create tangible terrain modifiers Based? I mean these class descriptions all sound AI genned but if it's minecraft it sounds feasible
>>3079376Yep. Also final update, me and a couple others helped him camp it and we got his amulet, an amulet for another bard, a shield, two bracers, and a cloak. God smiled upon us this day for helping our fellow man. Halfing. Our fellow half-man.
>>3079731Summoner was my second-pick, might give Wizard a shot too.
can this hell level be over already...
>>3079731>if anything it's got a better visual style than M&M doesyou can't look at that shit and say this with a straight face
>>3079731sorry but this doesn't have a gram of SOVL in itinfact it looks borderline cynical
>>3079731>Summons a dirt block. this can be used a source of Grass for other abilities.summon up some doobieshttps://leontlibrary.miraheze.org/wiki/Summoner
>>3079759>>3079761t.
>>3079784>how dare you dislike a game that looks like minecraft
>>3079784this looks so much better it's not even close
Alex is speaking, it's time to listen!
>>3079826>I am no longer playing WoW Forever, also known as Retail Minus. I have refunded the beta, unsubscribed, uninstalled battle.net, and cancelled my time off. "He will be back" - No, I didn't play SOD launch and I won't for this either. I will no longer support the game
>>>/e/celeb
>>3079856he spent weeks saying it's not retail-
i'd rather talk about washed up ecelebs than ardrooling online
>>3079568>AoAsorry this acronym was taken up years ago by a kpop group
>>3079731>This isn't a dealbreaker for me, if anything it's got a better visual style than M&M doesThat's called having a problem with your eyes
Why did they change it from Evercraft Online anyway? Too derivative?
lads im gonna get permad for training the whole of wyrmsbane 3 times on a saturday
>>3079990they can't prove you did it intentionally
>>3079990Go train some streamers for the good measure.
>>3079990What does it mean to "train" something in this game?
Deep Elf Wizard, Spellblade, or Necro? I only have one other character up to like level 25, but hate it because being a healer sucks in this game, it can't solo for shit, and it's hard to find groups to add insult to injury.
>>3080028Considering you want to solo, then you should play necro
>>3080028spellblade is worse soloer than all heaelers
>>3079955I think it was more of it growing from a mod into its own full game.
>>3080039Doesn't it have good DPS though? Why can't you just burn a single enemy down?
>>3080044because the enemy hp and damage goes up massively with levels so no dps has any hope of burning anything down solo, it's all about outlasting your enemy and kiting
I level like old people fuck
>>3080008All mobs subscribe to the same honor culture where they will lose izzat if they don't chase someone to the ends of the earthOnce someone zones out they start walking back to their spawn point but maintain the same agro radius the whole wayback and can agro on other players, also anyone they pass on the way as they chase the other player gets put on the izzat shitlist tooThe net result is that if you get into a fight you can't handle, you have to get to a zone line, and the mob will agro and try to kill anyone else they encounter the whole way. If you do this intentionally it is badwrong but if you do it unintentionally it's just old school funfriction. Naturally, this is always up to the interpretation of the GM you wind up talking to>but why don't they just code it differently if they don't want you to do thatWe don't do that in EQ
>>3080051how are wizards when it comes to kiting solo? i read something about quad snares?
>>3080064those poot 28 getting fuck all xp with overleved retard in the group
>>3080077quad kiting died long ago with massive buff to mob hp in the beta so wiz is root and shoot singles nowit's good until mid levels but falls off hard after that
>>3080086How do you even find singles to shoot desuEverywhere I've gone outside of starter newbie zones seems specifically designed to have every group of enemies be in like 3+ numbers that can't be broken up solo except via brute force overleveling.Feels bad desu, is necro really that much easier leveling solo? What about in groups, is Wizard easily invited at least?
>>3080080actually they're getting carried hard and are getting great exp and you're a retard who doesn't understand how this game works.
>>3080114don't play on Trem for one and get off the desert for twotake the ship off to KP or go to the uncharted deeps
>>3080114all dps are easily invited for now and yes necros solo kit mogs everyone else even if it doesn't feel like that in early levels
>>3080127yeah but on the downside int gear is aids to get and at 60 necromancers are going to be 33% of all the classes available, and any raid group is only going to want one or two of them.
>>3080044>Why can't you just burn a single enemy down?It simply does not have the burst. You can absorb tank individual mobs but I don't know how well that scales into higher levels and I suspect mana regen will become a problem. >>3080028If you go wizard or spellblade you probably wanna start in UD. Starting in AV with those sucks because of the house quest they have.
>play on trem>start in NH>go the cookie cutter leveling route>complain it's crowdedSomeone explain the thought process here, how is someone this retared
>>3080191>Starting in AV with those sucks because of the house quest they have.funny you say that lmao, i just saw a post on the official subreddit (i know i know) talking about how shit that experience is and it has made me decide to not touch that shit with a ten foot pole until its tweaked
>>3080191>>3080240How does starting as a deep elf in the Underdocks even work? Are you just permaKOS in the capital?
Is there anyone who have reached level 60 yet?
>nerf coin drops across the board>Deep elves starting in AV get overcharged by like 300% for every single item in the foreign quarter>to compensate for this the devs made the undead and especially dungeon enemies drop massive amounts of coin>all that is gone now>they also forgot to add medallions to the newbie yardgenius
>>3080251so they say, maybe some day there will be a way to fix that.The deep elf experience is one of suffering rep grinding anyway, so UD deep elf is actually the most hardcore. You trade all this for your mega vision
>>3080333world first was yesterday
>>3080412>megavisioncomplete meme desui remember half a week ago some sperg on here has an autism attack when I said the ultravision is barely noticable and he posted a picture of Ai'Vorith in the dark trying to epically ownzone me when it looks identical to what you see with UV.
HOLY FUCKING LUDOKINO!
>>3078938sometimes i will run up ,harvest it one single time and it will vanish only to come back as i walk 3 feet away with 3+ harvests on it.i dont fucking get it man.
>>3079098necro being a mana battery is such a soulless decision to recreate
>>3080439it's not even recreated here though, it got nerfed to unusable in the revamp
Where do I put starting points as a paladin?
>>3079300>>3079326hahahaha>>3079500do bards even get access to aoe dots to justify this behavior or are they all retarded like that one streamer who spent 35 minutes killing 10 crocodiles.
>>3080444spread it between str/sta/agi/dex and wis
>>3080444max agi then go for what ever you race lacks
Trying to mine without speedbuff is a humiliation ritual
>>3080441210 mana for 280 mana seems really good to me. did they slap a recast or a recourse block upon this to stop it from being used constantly? as long as it exists there will eventually come a day that someone elses mana is more valuable thna your classes and all necromancers become batteries. its an utterly retarded design decision to have.
>>3080071has leashing and tagging
>>3079763>Hex-Knight aka Shadow Knight>Their whole shtick is placing debuffs on enemies then eating those debuffs for bonuses, creating this loop where they are trying to maximize the impact of their debuffs and then eat them before they wear off for bonuses>Monk>Builder-Spender system where moves generate mutually exclusive bars, Stillness (generally associated with debuffing enemies or enhancing your own durability) or Motion (generally spent for getting bonus damage or causing extra offensive effects), where all your different moves generate one of the two, then once you hit a threshold you get bonus effects on any of your abilities as a spender, causing you to actually need to think about the sequence of attacks and moves you use>Summoner>Summons hordes of dumb temporary pets, can congeal them into a pet, summons tiles and blocks that provide extra effects to your spells (your summons are enhanced when you stand on tiles that match their element)Wtf bros this sounds kinda cool
>>3080467your numbers are outdated, it transfers at 4:1 ratio now
>>3080472You'll find me dead before I set foot inside a minecraft MMORPG
>>3080465this is just the life of any class without access to sow and gate. if they really wanted to improve the player experience and boost retention they would give melees access to origin at the very least even if it has a long cooldown.
>>3080233>Wtf who's dumb enough to try to kill the mobs in the zone they spawn in and next to in order to levelDoes eq give people brain damage?
>>3080476They'll find you dead any day now boomer
>>3080476ok
>>3080472this is all normal generic mmo shit and aint nobody tryna play fucking mmo minecraft for 1000s of hours
>>3080476No negativity in the dojo, goyim. Please don't reply to my advertisement again.
>>3080476this
>>3080491ok
necros are tiptop soloers but be honest now, how are they in groups? i refuse to be a mana battery.
>>3080501They rock in small groups because they enable fear kiting
>>3080491>this is all normal generic mmo shitThis is such a weird brain damaged eqnigger thing to sayLike why would actually having engaging gameplay mechanics (not even saying those particular ones are good) be bad? Why do all eqniggers just want an alt tab browser game that plays itself with or without your input?
>>3080514My point is that everything you're "hyped" about was just borrowed from another game and there is nothing particularly unique there. I never said its bad but uninspired and unoriginal. None of that is going to get me to overlook the horrible aesthetic that game has. Why would I be excited for the same old shit with a horrible coat of paint.
>>3080526>My point is that everything you're "hyped" about was just borrowed from another game and there is nothing particularly unique thereWhy should I care if it's fun to play?The weird cope about playing an eq1 expie while accusing another game of being unoriginal is not lost on me by the way
>>3080501they are a good dps , they are not a mana battery
total orc death
>>3080543orcbros... our instaloss ntr doujins?
>>3080526>another post mentioning the graphicsok
>>3080071>make a game that is an EverQuest clone in a Minecraft world>call it Evercraft>upon reading that name everyone knows exactly what your game is>later change the name to Adrullan Online Adventures>no one knows what the fuck that stupid shit iswhy is everyone in this space so retarded?
>>3080526>everything you're hyper about it borrowed from another gameimagine posting this while playing Monsters and Memories, a game that is entirely based on one of the worse MMO's, Everquest.
based devs
>>3080535What are you even talking about retard. I pray that you are from some third world country or are an actual bot.>Why should I care if it's fun to play?Because if you were genuinely interested in those mechanics there are countless mmorpgs that have done them before that you could be playing RIGHT NOW. Buff/debuff consumption isn't new. A bi directional rage bar isn't new. Swarm pets aren't new, totems and auras arent new.>this sounds kinda cool>this sounds kinda cool>this sounds kinda coolit sounds like you are a newfag to mmos or just a retarded shill. GUHHH THE WARRIOR CAN TANK OR DPS??? SHEEEEEIIIIIT.>The weird cope about playing an eq1 expie while accusing another game of being unoriginal is not lost on me by the wayBut I dislike this game and think its insistence on recreating a game so accurately was a horrible mistake? Stop replying to me and stop shilling your minecraft slop.
>>3080551I'm assuming there was concerns about SoE shenanigans
>>3080556>newfag pretends to not understand what somebody is typingLOL sasuga
>>3080556What a weird meltie to have over a guy commenting that a game's classes looks neat
>>3080556uh oh, EQ geriatric meltie!
>>3080558>daybreak owns the rights to the word "ever"again I ask, why is everyone in this space so retarded?
>>3080556Posted from my Smart Sandwich
>can see the exact moment the Sharty nigger shows up in the thread
>>3080556uh oh shill meltie...
hey shills go make your own general, I'm sure it will be super successful :)
>>3080575>>3080581BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
>>3080551because im retarded and i died in the well therefore poisoning the water supply henceforth my liege
>>3080585/qa/ lost btw
>>3080465couldn't imagine playing this game without a constant sowevery map feels twice as large as it needs to be like they designed everything with speed buffs in mindabsurd that the only speed potion is like 200+ alchemy and gives 30%, if they made it cheaper to make and trivial at 50 with a higher level version that gave 60% there would actually be some sort of market for the potionswould cut down on the sow begging in every city too
>>3080240It is truly shit. Doable in a group of 8-11 levels. Painfully soloable at 12+ though expect to die while at it. Cleric suffers similarly but his quest items in the same area are much easier to get. I'm not entirely sure about the other houses but from what I hear they are all way easier.>>3080251I thought you could grind it like any other reputation.
>>3080581I guess theres an open alpha on the 1st, maybe once it's playable some threads will openUntil then I'll go ahead and openly compare one eq clone to another and you can go ahead and die mad about it
>>3080594>off-topic newfag vaguepostingBAWWWWWW
>explore game>find creepy mobneat
>>3080436If it disappears after one harvest it means you dug it out but when it repops it just means that some other node was due for a respawn and happened to pop in that location. That's the way I understand the system. There's an area limit to how many nodes can be up at a time. Once one is harvested it goes on a respawn timer and once that's done it can pop at any possible location for that group. I'm not sure how exactly the grouping works. Is it the entire zone or do they split it into smaller chunks of area.
>>3080567nigga when you're making a literal clone of one of their ips in minecraft it's a legitimate concern, quit being intentionally obtuse
This is an example of a LITERAL EQclone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-u0qbaJDIQ&time_continue=0
>>3080616It isn't a literal clone you moron. It isn't using any of their intellectual property. You're just as retarded as whoever the faggot running that game is.
>>3080614Thank you. That makes mostly makes sense but at the same time I've had ones pop in with single dig/mine/chop attempts too. Maybe they just don't all spawn at full capacity or there is an actual bug going on here. Its just frustrating. Same with them seeming to despawn out of nowhere.
>>3080629you type like a pedophile
>>3080636I accept your concession.
>>3080465>>3080482>>3080596Speedbuffs so widely accessible and so many having gate makes the classes that don't have them feel like second class citizens. It was truly a mistake to have them such widely available and gate should unironically have an hour long cooldown if not more.They should be limited to ranger aura (which should cap at around 20-25%) and some support having a short speed buff they can cast that's a max of 15-20%. Having these long ass buffs works against the game and creates this economy of buff begging.
>>3080636fuck off sharty you are too young for mmos
>>3080636we do that in eq.
>>3080639>Speedbuffs so widely accessible and so many having gate makes the classes that don't have them feel like second class citizens. It was truly a mistake to have them such widely availableWhat? No, if anything they should be more widely accessible. I mean literally every lowbie alchemist should be able to sell potions that provide SoW and gate.
>>3080602>november
>>3080639They just need to make some classes get a Gate they can cast on other people.
>>3080639like the other anon said, this entire game feels like it was designed around everybody having a movespeed buff or a fast mount. i stopped playing my monk because navigating to distant zones to immediately regret travelling was all too frequent. showing up to have a party disband after 20 minutes of bad exp after you spent way too fucking long running out to replace their guy is fucking terrible. "yeah were going to be going for a couple of hours man" my ass.
>>3080634The capacity is random. Rich nodes have more afaik but still random. Not sure about the despawning. Could be bots. Could be a bug. Could be something to prevent nodes stacking up somewhere that people don't harvest them, like a very long lived node gets force respawned by the server just in case.
>>3080639we don't do that in eq
>>3080629Apparently they felt it was toing the line closely enough to rebrand. Not like I've followed the development but I assume they'd know better than I would. Not my horse, not my race, but nobody wants to have their game fucked over by hungry jews, so I get itThis is a serious chip on your shoulder you have over a random minecraft eq1 clone, whats up with that?
>>3080625>wow player characters>eq npcswhat the fuck is this shit?
>>3080660wizards originally did this but for some reason they didn't copy this over.>>3080653they should just give people origin as a baseline and not just force everybody to engage in alchemy. i don't dislike the idea but at the end of the day the melees are paying the melee tax and everybody else isn't. if you went with origin you would also facilitate having your bind point somewhere else letting people branch out more without worrying about wasting their time.
>>3080658That's what I said, yeah
>>3080658they purposely waited until after the first MnM month >We understand the timing is kind of sticky. Between giving MNM (our fellow Indie studio brothers and sisters) some breathing room on their launch and our own team’s date constraints, this was the best available split that worked for us to get a week of uninterrupted operation.
>>3080676Take your reddit gaslighting back there, faggot. I don't give a shit about your minecraft slop; it's just retarded and we make fun of retarded shit here.
>>3080677someone recreated eq1 in WoW's engine
>>3080687AI is creating horrors beyond our comprehension
>>3080686>we>another graphics postmad newfag is melting
>>3080653You only think that way because you expect to have them. You think it is the normal state to have them when the normal state should be not having them and having them should be a special occasion or a rare treat. >>3080660I honestly thought that was in the game.>>3080668>like the other anon said, this entire game feels like it was designed around everybody having a movespeed buff or a fast mount.Yes exactly. It was because they copied EQ so closely and the speed buff was such a major thing in it. They never even considered what it would mean to not have the speed buff and at such ridiculous values. Mounts were an afterthought. TLDR they took the ass backwards approach to designing travel. Their original state was faulty and from that spawned all these faulty assumptions and decisions. Of course it is too late to go back now. EQ boomers would not stop crying if the devs took it away.
>>3080680>they should just give people origin as a baseline and not just force everybody to engage in alchemyFair and validBut yes the game fucking sucks without SoW and gate
>>3080686Nah I'll go ahead and just keep posting and you can go ahead and take your blood pressure meds grandpa. Cry about it>gaslightingEverything I said you've done is literally what you've been doing though?
>>3080703nah nigga that wasn't even me
can necros heal>?
>>3080713supplemental healing in case your healer is too deep into xer sandwich
>shawn said medallions are stayingcancelled my sub
>>3080696>>3080694its almost like there was a reason they put in the plane of knowledge(travel hub) to eq. and everquest's zones were nowhere near as large as the ones in this game. i was kind of impressed with how long it took me to run through saltgreet. even in the original eq there was only 1-2 zones that actually took 10+ minutes to run across without speed buffs.i'm not exactly in favor of such a drastic solution yet but they really should work on some improvement for the melee enjoyers and casuals. theres also other options like something ffxi did with having unlockable travel points.
>>3080554>who the fuck are you calling a HOON, you dwarf nigger!?
>>3080710>I just so happened to post in a comment chain echoing the same talking points and the same angry tone as that totally random other guy, trust me :)kgo ahead and follow it up with a screencap on your phone grandpa, that'll convince me
>>3080749this nigga so mad lol go have an adrullan online adventure to calm your nerves or something
>>3080743>theres also other options like something ffxi did with having unlockable travel points.smells like flight pointstread carefully, the angry boomers are off their meds
>>3080749>sometimes multiple people share the same opinionwhoa
>>3080741where
>>3080743FFXI travel progression feels great. Not sure about outpost warp style system for this game but they could easily copy the chocobo rental system. Rent mounts from stables and ride them until another stable for example. Or have them fuck off back to where they came from when you dismount.
>>3080753>this nigga so mad>after posting >>3080556lollmao>N-NOT THAT ANO-LMAO
>>3080686nah Adrullan is good.when these devs inevitably s.oy out (already have with what's going on in the bathhouse) it'll be there for a good alternative.I played the playtest from like 8 months ago and it was a really good game.
>>3080753>making such a big deal out of being new to 4chan.orgWhat an lolcow.
>>3080758they're better than flight points(instant teleportation) with extremely autistic unlock requirements and even with them you still have to spend a ridiculous amount of time walking around the world. adding actual flight points or a caravan system or whatever would be a good gold sink too.
>>3080765in his current stream about 5 times already because people keep asking
>>3080753>>3080762>1 minute apart
>>3080753>have an adrullan online adventurekino, it was a really good game in the playtest.
>>3080758that image looks like something out of AoA
what do the medallions even do?
>>3080768Maybe it is good, but I'll never know because Minecraftlikes just aren't for me. I'm glad it's for you, anon. Doesn't change the fact that changing the name was absolutely retarded marketing.
>>3080775I never played xi so I guess I can't commentI was just making a joke about angry boomers yelling about you wanting to turn the game into WoW or somethingHow did unlocking travel points work in xi?
>>3080758Outpost warps were only accessible from your home nation and only after you had unlocked the warp by delivering supplies to the outpost. You could also warp back from an outpost to your home nation. Both ways cost some money or a different currency.I don't think they would fit MnM as is but some unlockable warps would be nice.
>>3080792make casters live in poverty
>>3080792They're just vendor trash meant to replace coin value from dispatching mobsPeople are salty because, combined with the fact that these dipshit devs don't have a real loot system in place, this functionally means that whoever is closest to the mobs gets to hog all the loot (the melees) and you either have to put your foot down and risk rocking the boat of the group or you just have to accept your fate as a poornigger
>>3080798IMO if there were warps like that but that weren't available in the beginning, instead being server-wide tasks that had to be met before the feature opens, that would be better.I don't know why so few games leaned into things like AQ doors. They did smaller scale shit like zone events in GW2 but nothing one-and-done (server specific) and it's never really tied into features, just more content. It would help give games more of a feeling of a living world instead just a dumb static place that must be evergreen forever.
>>3080741>>3080765>>3080779So wait, the currency nerf+medallions is staying in?How the fuck are casters and especially healers supposed to earn money now lmfao? Even with the drops overall currency gain is lower, and without them the classes that have to spend the most money on spells now have to beg and grovel for some rogue or shadowknight looter to give them crumbs?I might actually unsub, these devs are legit retarded and trying to power through a change that has been received with unanimous negativity.
>>3080812yes
>>3080812Yes, that is exactly what the devs want. They want you to beg or talk to the group.For better or worse.
>>3080795This >>3080798>and only after you had unlocked the warp by delivering supplies to the outpostBut I forgot to add that while the supplies delivery was just a quest you picked up and then you had to go there you could only do it when your nation was in control of that outpost. Control of areas was the result of the conquest system which ranked nations weekly based on the experience players gained in those zones while having a buff up called the signet that you could only refresh from certain npcs. In the long term you'd unlock most if not all of them but sometimes it could take ages for your nation to have control of a specific area you wanted to unlock for warping.>>3080811>instead being server-wide tasks that had to be met before the feature opens, that would be better.Yeah that's not a bad idea.
>>3080805I just realized a contrast would be helpfulThis is in contrast to how coin is automatically spread across the party, making raw coin value distributed evenly (even if there's stuff like encumbrance and shit that makes it annoying)So yeah basically it all comes together to introduce really obnoxious and unnecessary social friction for casters who just want a fair piece of the pie
>>3080812you have to set up a master looter who shares the coins at the end
>>3080743>its almost like there was a reason they put in the plane of knowledge(travel hub) to eq.pok was a mistake
>>3080794I jumped in after the convo about the name but I agree that it is a bad name.I didn't like the minecraft look either but ended up liking the look after I played somehow
>>3080766I don't know if the world is actually big enough to justify the full existence of outpost warping but yes having borrowable mounts would go a long way. I wouldn't hate having main city warps as a costly option that were locked behind faction/questing. Honestly there is a lot of things they could do but I fear they will just do nothing. Even something simple like having better food give you a baseline movespeed buffs would be a god send.>>3080795Your nation (starting city, of which there were 3) had to grind out a zone hard enough to get claim of it the next week when the world map updated. If your nation state won the zone you then had to do a supply run from your main city to the zone outpost in question. This could involve hours of running, waiting on a boat etc. when you finally delivered the goods you could now teleport(one way) to this outpost from your main city. i dont actually remember if you could teleport with the supplies but teleports were rare and only went to like 3~ spots in a very large world and you had to initially run there to unlock these ontop of needing the class who could teleport to ferry you there. that class also had to quest and unlock said teleport spell.it was a genuine struggle for the unpopular nation (midget+cat people) to unlock zones because despite having catgirls nobody ever wanted to start there over the other two. you had to form fucking strike groups and go autism grind shit in the middle of the night hoping to steal the zones the night before the resets. basically it was a somewhat long and large effort to unlock fast travel on your character. then it costed you an arm and a leg to teleport out.
>>3080826People want to play the game, not walk for 40 minutes to engage in contentI'm not against making a world big but if it's not interesting as well you're just wasting my fucking time
>>3080826thankfully Shawn is a pok disrespector so no chance of that happening here
Isn't the answer to just save up and buy a horse?
>>3080805>create medallions just so casters won't get an automatic split of coin lootlmao what...
>>3080838friction!
>>3080838It is, as aLovingrobot said in his stream about an hour ago"Talk to your party, Set up rules."
>>3080826it absolutely wasn't. most everquest travels weren't very threatening and were just huge timesinks. they could have had more elegant solutions to world travel than pok but it was a necessary evil at that point in the games existence desu. trying to play with your new friends was a nightmare of coordinating how and where to meet up when everybody is level 1 and clueless. most cities and zones were just dead and empty by pop coming out.
>>3080838they want casters to beg on their knees for loot from melee BVLLS
SoW shouldn't existEvery class should have a "sprint" ability that actually uses the fucking endurance that the devs forgot aboutCampfire buffs should provide an endurance buff so that you can sprint for longerInns should provide an endurance buff that lets you go endurance-neutral while sprinting so hanging out at an inn for a bit functions as the equivalent of getting a SoW buffYou're welcome Shawn
>>3080849oh, god. "hey guys just start a petition with your group every time that you group"
>>3080838How do you think the pullers feel...
no changes sweeties. just ignore that 60% means nearly a third of people aren't moving on after getting an item. that level 12 in the necro newbie yard? fully intended behavior.
>>3080853hmm....>Rog is "mid"well not any more.
>>3080855>good design ideas to fix problemsWe don't do that in EQ.
>>3080861Yeah this is some bullshit, it only takes one asshole to sit on each named camp
>>308086140% is more than a third
>>3080872im being generous with the vagueness of 60%+
Do deep gnome beastmasters have to spend starting points to get WIS above INT?
>>3080855definitely agree that inn's should do more than just "hearth" bullshit. a speed buff would be a perfect incentive to go into an inn.
>>3080861my favorite part is this nigga hides his reddit profile so you cant actually track their statements on anything.
>>3080861>Around 40% of people are not actually moving on once they get an item>Nearly half their player base is just lootfarming from lowbie areas in preparation for the barter economyJesus christ
>>3080852The Nexus spires were a good enough solution. Less patient people could pay for ports. POK way too far in the other direction.
>>3077209> The EU guild with that one retard spamming "We don't do that in EQ" to everything was enough to make me want to headbutt him through his screen.Why are they like this? Autism?
>>3080887>playing on EU serverhow did people fall for this
>>3080887we do that in eq
>>3080822unbelievably dumb
>>3080885I actually agree with you anon but the nexus spires are also why every city died and not actually the pok which people mistakenly blame. Somehow people just forget everybody moved to shadowhaven/bazaar/the nexus instead of freeport/the tunnels. My main issue with the spires were just that they were still somewhat inaccessible to some races so it shit up any plans of playing together with newfriends.
>>3080812>have to beg and grovel for some roguelmao based.>Rog is """mid"""nah. Rog is rich.
>>3080894we do that in eq
>>3080861https://www.reddit.com/r/MonstersAndMemories/comments/1x83kat/kill_stealing_really/phagirg/incase anybody wants to call the main developer a retard. this is where the post is hidden.
>>3080861>they solve it by nerfing the stats on low level gear
>>3080941a lot of the fault probably lies with disenchant existing but they're delusional if they think thats the main driver and not just mmo loot autism.
>>3080856Exactly.Thats the Social friction THEY FUCKING WANT.But Social friction sucks ass.
>>3080861real "don't believe your lying eyes" moment, this is going to go over like a lead balloon
>>3080877Why would they need either?
>>3080768It might be the absolute best game ever made but its artstyle is so abhorrent,I would sooner play Tibia.
>>3080960>this is going to go over like a lead balloonThese dev messages are hidden under 100+ reddit posts for a reason. No one's actually going to see this shit.
>>3080950I get the argument for social friction but the costs and benefits really need to be weighed more heavily and I really think it's turbogay to introduce social friction over something a concept as simple as "everyone should get an equal share of the coin"We've set up a design where the melees literally just want the clothies to not say anything and the clothies have to say something or they just get fucked. Like, what are we doing here? Why is this a desirable player interaction?
>>3080972Stand up for yourself or get dabbed on clothmo.
>>3080979>>3080972I mean it does let you discover who is a lootnigger before the named drops.
>>3080979would be a shame if i didn't mez that add for you meleegger
>>3080970what these dumb fucks SHOULD have and still should do is license the game engine from HytaleAdrullan with Hytale's 16x16 voxels
>>3080971>These dev messages are hidden under 100+ reddit posts for a reason. No one's actually going to see this shit.They will now :^)https://www.reddit.com/r/MonstersAndMemories/comments/1x8lnbw/no_real_changes_coming_re_higher_level_camping/
>>3080988Make a thread for your poorfag game.
>>3080990>NOOOOOOOOO STOP EXPLORING, THAT'S NOT ON THE WIKI, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY THERE!!!
>>3080999we'll make a thread when that game gets a beta, I'm currently playing this game and have no plans to play Adrullan
>>3080233Every single normgroid who plays this game is a niggerbrained retard>level 26>leave the sandnigger rat race, can only be in fallen pass so long>leave for scarwood, find multiple viable camps>leave for Bight, find other viable camps>scout out blacktide bay, more viable camps>all completely unpopulated>come back to Iraq>tell everyone about numerous great hints with no competition>"I don't know that place">"I'm going to fight pit beetles instead">"sounds too far"I love this game but some of these players are unreal. I can port their asses all over the world and they just DO NOT want to leave their comfort zone.
I only played this game for a week, but I still read this thread every day because it's so entertaining.
>>3080972There are two easy fixes for this and its from FF11 of all places:No Corpse looting.Put everything in a Loot pool.
>>3080554I'm a deep gnome and grouped with another deep gnome once. We had a shitty orc tank and I was complaining and he said "don't mind him, he's just a filthy bigger" and I lost my shit
>no DG bards till "the next patch"Okay, Shawn. Fuck you. I gave you a chance.
>>3080984Lmao it’s gonna rape the healer, not me (and I get to watch… delicious….)
>>3081007yup, you could even port these niggers to scarwood and they still won't go. Meanwhile i dragged a bunch of hairy baboons into rothold with me and we had a good time.
>>3081007Things being too far ARE a valid reason you apebrained retard.Half the classes in the game have gate and soulbinds, the other half don't. All the zones and camps in the world don't matter when they're 1 hour runs away from any place you can sell loot (or more importantly convert copper into silver).>b-b-but muh wizards and droods!group ports unlock halfway through the way to 60, shut up.
>>3081026good luck getting back home when the group disbands sweetie
>>3081018FFXI is an ezmode mmorpgno loot has weight. no money has weight. when you die your corpse and all your shit goes with your body.
>>3081018>Put everything in a Loot pool.they did this in everquest eventually but people treat the advanced loot system like its satan for no good reason.
>>3081032>I can't fucking readhello, niggerbrained retard
>>3081032Play retail wow and ffxiv where you get ported to every piece of content then, dipshit
>>3081048wow, one sperglord offering to do... le ebin ports!!! i'm sure that will help everyone else!
>>3081040The dev on stream even said he hated the system too so we will never get it even though its the solution we need.Its pretty simple too. On death, the items go into "Advanced Loot" Don't even have to click the fucking body. If no one wants it/Pass/NoRoll, it goes back to the body if you absolutely really want to keep the bodies around after the body becomes free for all looters.
>>3081039>no loot has weight.>no money has weight.they don't need either of these because two thirds of your inventory is unusable do to being occupied by gear and expanding your inventory in that game is harder than anything most eq players have ever done.>when you die your corpse and all your shit goes with your body.traveling is much harder in that game and expensive. resurrections are also rarer in that game because whitemage is an unpopular class unlike cleric.
>>3081014Same but I also post because I like the boomer mmorpg space (just not m&m because it's schwarbage)
>>3081057Just have one of your friends be the designated looter. What’s the problem?
>>3081055I can port everyone to scarwood, which is a 5 minute run from Penshaw, which is a hub that has almost everything you need, including a boat back to Night Harbor, soulbind everyone, then from there we can all hit up Blacktide which is stupid good for grouping and almost entirely untouched because of idiot niggers like you. All in under 30 minutes, from rotting away LFG in the shaded bloom in, you dumb stinky retard nigger.
>>3081070No Drop items and that 'friend' being a ninja and running off.I don't trust people with money or loot. Why should you?
>>3080998ty for filtering easily influenced retards from playing the game
>>3081057EQoomers bust a fat nut at the physical animation of their character crouching on a corpse and seeing a blue diamond pop up before they feverishly right click it. so you have to understand this must be preserved at all costs even though in general most people come to hate looting in eq because they recognize its just an annoying time sink.
>>3081077Have the healer do it. You trust me with your life, but not your wallet?
>>3081066nothing in ffxi is hardnothing in ffxi was hard. Private server babies pretend like their muh 75 era was hardcore and it wasn't.
>>3081007>they just DO NOT want to leave their comfort zone.almost like dying has huge time and effort penaltiesto say nothing of going to a place where only one party member can get you back out of easily
>>3081073Hey retard-kun, have you ever thought of this magical thing called level ranges? I know this is overwhelming for you, but the people who need ports to zones that would add some breathing space to the camping issues are also not grouping with level 30's or whatever it is that you get group ports at.>i-i'm totally randomly going around offering and doing this for level 10 and 15 groups!Lying is embarrassing.
>>3081070because i cant trust the game to give me the proper silver split. because i cant trust them to actually divvy the loot up properly. because i cant trust niggers to not be encumbered and then cry when left behind because of the stupid limitations on travel. also because being the main looter fucking sucks and nobody actually likes this role and inventory slots are extremely limited currently so it doesn't really work out.
>>3081085lmao wait until your group wants to do rothold. fastest way in is a wizard port and a 20 minute swim
>>3081084this but everything in everquest.
>>3081081>I want to lose all excitement from the game. everything should be automated for my "QoL"
>>3081102Solo camping the frenzied ghoul on necro at 50. >that was ea…You weren’t there
>>3081097>lmao wait untilI won't because I canceled and refunded my sub lol
>>3081108it was really hard to charm one of those two adds or use the corner 5 feet away to split it sis.
>>3081085>>3081090You guys know that soulbind is a fucking level 4 spell, right?>level 10-15My post explicitly mentions level 26 hunting in blacktide bay. Really not beating the illiterate niggerbrained retard accusations. Regardless, yes, any character from any starting zone can (and should consider!) relocate and get rebound. Are you guys really so retarded...?
>>3081105I take it you are volunteering to be quartermaster of every pug you are in, collecting loot, noting it in publicly available googledoc for integrity and making sure to split it fairly?
>>3081122I don't have to try at all, everything falls into place as it should.
>>3081105unironically yes. there is nothing exciting about clicking the 420th gnoll dicklord corpse to loot nothing but 2 silver. there is also no difference between clicking it and having it pop up on your screen versus it popping up on everybodies screen to announce the +2 stam belt.
i love how the same 3 retards get mad every time adrullan is mentioned
>>3081113Oh, so you don't even play the game?
why do the same 3 ardullan shills refuse to make their own general?
>>3081131play Rog then, lazycaster.
>>3081116The ghoul would rape you 100-0 in like 8 seconds (this was extremely fast in those days)
>>3081122everybody who volunteers for this roll is always a loot thief so you better have logs on and be ready to take them to court and you better have taken a screenshot of them agreeing to be held responsible for handling the loot ontop of the log. in fact they better stream the entire thing and preserve the vod for 7 days minimum so you can autism audit them before contacting the gms to find out they stole all the copper.
>>3081119i did BTB from 10-28I'm glad people don't know about it. Groups are FULL of retarded DPS who have no gear and can't figure out where to get gear because they think gear drops in Wyrmsbane and is permacamped by level 30s
>>3081119>trusting single guy to lead you around in unfamiliar zone that might as well strand you there for all eternity if something goes wrongDeath is too punishing to do this with pugs, only guild statics can do any kind of organized camp exploring and dungeoneering.
>>3081128>she died
>getting sick of the game>stop giving a shit and start treating other players like the mindless cattle they are>game becomes fun againWas it really this easy?
>>3081138you were bad at everquest. ghouls couldn't do anything to you without meleeing. you could pre tank one add with a pet while pulling with root on the other and even have los of the named if you really wanted it to tank him instead/pull with slow. it was not hard to break this camp at all. you literally only had one roamer on a 20+ minute respawn who was like level 32.
>>3081136gotta save the soon to be homeless
>why don't people go to these areas that require wizard ports to easily accessdumb argument, the first character I created in this game I ended up deleting because I went exploring on it (the whole meme talking point that the game is about) to a distant zone, died in a difficult to reach spot, then couldn't get anyone to help me get my corpse.
>>3081135Not anymore lol>Then leave reeeNo lol
>>3081119Hey, retard-kun, tell me what you have to do after you get soulbound in the ass end of nowhere once your full on copper?
>>3081147>Death is too punishingGo play a game where death isn't punishing? Like WoW of WoWcraft???
>>3081164Oh, so you're just trolling outside of /b/?
>>3081166toss some coin to your wizardo' valley of plenty
>>3080881alovingrobot? more like adrullan online adventureshttps://rosint.dev/?u=alovingrobot
>>3081154I did it on a pvp server for even more style points.
>>3081167This is actually what's going to happen, 80% (optimistic) of subs have probably been or will be canceled before the month is done. The servers will decline in quality and suffer a slow trickling bleeding death as the remainder get bored and leave due to no money=slow development again until the entire project crashes and burns a year from now.This is optimistic of course, assuming that the devs don't do something staggeringly retarded like they just did with loot changes that completely fuck over casters and pullers that alienate even the forum posting grognards.
>>3081167It is almost like extremely punishing deaths makes playerbase extremely risk averse, who would have thought.
>>3081132The non-quoting newfag who repeats the same ~3 2016+ buzzwords is one person.
>>3080680>melees are paying the melee tax and everybody else isn'tI dunno man, sounds like casters are the ones paying tax lmao>>3080800>>3080812>>3080811>>3080853
>>3081183>playing a necro on pvp serverdont talk to me disgusting tier whore.
>>3081170You will never be a janny
hope theres no FAT FUCKING OGRES in this dungeon with me
>>3081186>This is actually what's going to happenThen let it happen. If the game has no place in today's MMO market then let it fail. Why are you so concerned about this? Play it or don't play it.>>3081188If you're too scared of walking outside of NH then the game is not for you.
>>3080881>their
>>3081166Explain to me the difference between binding in the treehouse town and binding in NH and being one zone away from either main hub.the answer is nothing you retard. Bight also has a boat to NH if you really miss iraq
>>3081211yes their because hes spoken on behalf of "the team".
>>3081203Funnily enough people who are too scared to walk outside of NH will be the ones to stick around for second month.
>>3080972I can see the logic in the old school grouping scene where your every group every day wasn't some random PUG who you would never meet again, making everyone out for themselves.In EQ1 my groups were 4/6, 5/6 the same every time. They were your friends, so you were incentivized not to outright cheat them.But everyone is treating this OLD SCHOOL RETVRN TO FVRM mmo like they're still playing WoW with everyone for themselves.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MonstersAndMemories/comments/1x8m8i4/who_loots_named/OH NO NO NO DEVSHILLS... HOW CAN THIS BE??? WE JUST PUT OUT A STATEMENT SAYING THAT THE CAMPING ISSUES WERE NO PROBLEM>30% of all named loot drops are now being picked up by players 8+ levels above>the trend is increasing>this gets posted less than 12 hours before a dev was posting on reddit saying nothing was the matter
>>3081237>there isn't a problem>okay there kind of is a problem and its actually getting worsecue the game isn't for you and you are playing it wrong monkeybabel
>>3081236Because they are. Players mentality changed long time ago and new game adhering to old design paradigms won't bring back 2001 player mentality with it.
>>3081237can you retarded redditors please stay on your own retarded website please
Hi, I'm not an Expert Data Analysist (volunteer) like the developers. Can someone please explain how a third of your player population camping Wyrmsbane while in their 20's and 30's translates to the official message of "there is no problem"?
>>3081250>getting tribal over which glownigger-owned website is being postedCry some more, big boy.
>>3081237Slowbro...But yeah anyone who saw the barter economy in beta knew this was coming and it's only going to get worse. The devs are legit too geriatric to game out their own systems in their heads, and beta of all things should have been the time to show them this was going to be a problem because it literally played out in front of their fucking eyes.
>>3081250I get it but it's not like the devs are (publicly) posting on 4chan so I'd still rather know what retardation they are up to
saar big sowsow saar do the needful sarsar damage shield pls saarport to ew saar
>>3081251Whether or not there's a real problem I can't say, but if you are wasting time camping nameds at level 15 and not leveling up instead, you are retarded. I'd take a tank in full rusted iron over some scrub with corroded copper + one magic item any day
>>3081248mmo players are all spiritually (if not literally) boomers who believe in the gotmine standard. people who are genuinely benevolent and interested in the community as a whole are insanely rare.
>>3081251Just pay out the nose for gear / find the named mobs in the wilderness that I know exist already, chud
>>3081251>"most named loot goes to players near their item level">even ignoring the increase that obviously correlates to people leveling up on non poopsocker time, even steelmanning this, 20% of the named loot dropping is by people camping vastly lower level contentplease tell me this shit is faked, because if so I've never seen devs more inept or incompetent shoot themselves in the mouth.
>check named mob spawn cause I want an item>there's a le single dude there farming said named mob>ask xem if they had any drops>they list the drops they have, including the item I want>ask them if they want to sell it>pay the 10 or 20 silver and walk away with my itemGee, that was hard, now I don't have to sit there for 2 hours and try to get it myself
>>3081286>Pay the money that lowbies don't have because money is so stupidly scarce until suddenly it's Zimbabwe bucksShut the fuck up Trent
>>3081300If you don't have the money then you don't need the itemIf you think 20 silver is a lot of money then I suggest you play pass level 5 and walk outside of NH
>>3081303>I suggest you play pass level 5I think I'll just cancel my sub instead lol>N-not for you!The dying gasp of the faildev
>>3081307>I don't want to play the game but I want all the items the people that are playing the game are getting!!okay.
>>3081307>guy who doesn't even play the game>doesn't realize nobody is talking to him
>>308130320 silver is a lot of money if you're a caster now, especially since the devs blanket nerfed coin drops and require you to negotiate with some shadowfag who ninja loots every medal :^)
>>3081311I do want to play the game, by adventuring and killing named mobs to get better gear.You are LITERALLY telling me to not do that and just pay the toll to the poopsocker who has the camp on 24/7 lockdown instead, by using the nonexistent money I don't have because the game saps 95% of my income by way of needing to buy spells.You just don't care because you are the poopsocker.>>3081313You mean other than the guy talking to me?
>>3081325nobody is talking to you until you subscribe again, chudmuffin.
>>3081317It's not a lot of money if you do the bare minimum to engage with the player economy>>3081325Not every named mob is being camped 24/7, stop having this dumb scenario in your head where everything is always camped and there is literally no way for you to get gear. You can still play the game normally if you want, just stop living on reddit and you'll find out that the issue isn't as bad as anyone makes it out to be
>>3081317i play a melee wizard, money really isn't a problem. I'm taking mine, idgaf what everyone else does.
>>3080979No seriously, all shitposting aside, what the fuck are we doing here? Why are we setting up mutually exclusive interests for our players in our group? >We want players to talk and communicateOkay, but even fucking kindergarten teachers know that you induce that behavior through mutual carrots, not zero sum adversarial situations. You don't hand all the fucking cookies to one kid and then tell the class to sort it out themselves.Again, what the fuck are we doing here? I literally think these devs never stop and think about this stuff.
>>3081341>the player economypray tell what is that? spending 3 hours squabbling over contested copper mining spots before selling several stacks (at a discount of course) to one of the same level 40 people solo camping spots?
>>3081341>stop having this dumb scenario in your headNigger a third of the fucking player base is muscling me out of my level appropriate dungeon, THOSE ARE *YOUR* NUMBERS!
>>3081344>melee wizardI've heard about this before but have zero idea how you do it. Dual wielding swords and then using the nova spells?
>>3080988hytale looks like shit too, shit with sprinkles on top but still shit
>>3081357some level 12 nigger of a bard running around the noob lot stealing all the copper ore because they are too fucking stupid to find other ones.
>>3081365when you channel volley your melee swings happeni have a 19/40 weapon so it's not the worst thing ever. if you use wizard DW it works just as well. Nothing does aoe damage so there's no reason not to.
>>3081366hytale looks a lot more promising than minecraft. the character models can be twice as detailed, etc. They already have models of players and dragons and equipment and houses and stuff like that.
>>3081357Again, walk out of NH you fucking niggers
>>3081084The irony is that people are getting big time filtered by Phoenix which is the closest server we have gotten to real ToAU era difficulty of the game. They can't stop dying so no nation is getting zones in conquest.
>>3081380*walks out*oh man sgs is just as shit
tilustra anons...
>>3081162You and so many others had a similar experience. Exploring is a joke. You can't explore and there is nothing to explore. The only thing you can do is as a group look for new camps and potential placeholders.
>>3081389Go underground, nigger.
>lockpicking>pickpocketingso many cool things to grind on rogue im enjoying myself!
>>3081376it has the same zoomeroid block art, a bit fancier than minecraft but it is still a hideous style
>>3081401everything is camped in underdocks 24/7
>>3081415Is there anything of worth pick locking in this game?
>>3081419Why did you roll on the server with the biggest population?
>>3081424you can bypass the need to do key quests to get keys for places which is kind of nice, so far i havent heard of anything special beyond that
>>3081430There's places that require keys?
>>3081417only jews hate blocks
>>3081437I don't hate them I just think the game looks ugly and it is not a style I want for an mmo
>>3081429im on useast 2
>>3081437Jews love hideous, low effort art styles though.
>why did you play an MMORPG on a populated server>why did you go to a populated level appropriate zone in our group based MMORPG >why did you want lootdo these faildevs legit think anyone is going to have the patience for this shit lmfao game is straight up going to be a paid private server where these retards will be playing dukes in their little kingdom or sand in 3 months
What the actual fuck is wrong with the everquest type mmo players and their shithead "camp" and pnp rules? mmos derived from ultima and korean grindfests never had anything like that, it was always intended to be a free for all and you could do anything to kill "nameds" or whatever you call them, be it by being completely overleveled oneshotting it or griefing the other parties.Do you guys actually like being babied by GMs like that?
>>3081450then you're just stupid bro, i'm sorryback to r*ddit with you
>>3081459some people in game and on the discord/reddit/forums have actually started saying "why are you entitled to loot" and I swear to god, I can't tell if they're trolling or not.
>>3081436yeah, there is an undead area in NH that requires a key, there is a dungeon in the wood elf place that requires a key, and there is even the laundry quest that gives a temporary key to access to a place which you (presumably) dont need to be on to lockpick in. there are probably more places these are just the ones ive heard of.Hopefully there will even be places that have no key and require lockpicking
>>3081470most people dont know there is a keyed dungeon directly beneath the citadel of ud
>>3081470>>3081488I literally had not come across a single one of these places. The only locked gate I knew of is at the top of the wererat camps NW of UD. Don't even know if that goes anywhere.
it's time for the peer reviewed study on do stats actually work in m&m!we start testing damage with 104 wis
>>3081498and then we strip down to base stats and we can clearly see the huge difference wisdom makes in damage!
>>3081498>>3081512It's pretty sad that stats do almost nothing at low levels.
>>3081520small price to pay for stopping twinks from ruining the game
>>3081520Basically from what I've read you're capped until you reach level 20, beyond that your stats actually start mattering.
>>3081524Or you know they could have just used a level requirement system for the items. They already capped the damage in some stupid ass way. Might as well go all the way and use level requirements.
>>3081527it's a compromise between we do that in eq and we don't do that in eq
boomers cant read and take 2 full minutes to notice any changes in their environment
>complains about not being able to get gear>stats don't even do anything at low levels>now I can't get mad at not being able to get gear!!!
>>3081524>3rd of the player base is in Wyrmsbane I'm not sure it's helping
>person steps outside of NH for the first time in xer life
>>3081468Well? Why are you?
>>308131720 silver is fucking chump change for everyone from level 15 onwards>t. 27 wiz on Trem
Do I really have to do the work of inviting 5 middle aged low functioning nerds with crippling social anxiety into a party to actually get a group as a healer?
>>3081541>be so up your own ass (because you designed/poopsocked this game for literal years) that you have zero conception of how nonsensical and what mixed signals this has from the eyes of a new player
>>3081565This is literally 90% of the fucking playerbase and this very thread
>>3081580yes
adrullan online adventures waiting room
>Yes, the loot that's being camped 24/7 isn't valuable, but also you shouldn't get it because you don't need it, and also you won't know it's not valuable unless you start crunching numbers (by comparing noob gear to other stat providing items you also won't have), so don't worry about it, but we'll just wiggle these cool items in your face anyway, you don't want them now right?>We are seasoned developers with decades of experience btw
>>3081584>>3081601Lmao
>>3081599Usually I like playing Paladin-esque characters but the Hex-Knight looks really cool. I like playing debuffers and the idea of playing a tank that does its own debuff>consume>empower myself loop sounds like fun
I ma the great giant slayer!
>>3081603You'll never say he (me) is wrong though
Just have named not drop named loot if you got 4+ lvls on it. Why are the devs scared of this? Worried about future low population servers? Then revert it later.
>>3081599>>3081611>one dude talking to himself about minecraft
>>3081620How much cash on him?
>>3081626owned
>>3081628he was broke...
>>3081632>using a phone to talk to yourself about minecraft
>>3081461they make camp rules like that so the gms/devs can choose who those rules actually get enforced upon.
>>3081637>remove the cash from hill giantsWe did not do this in EQ. Not a doomer but starting to hate these devs.
>>3081461they could literally just design it so placing a camp preemptively tags all mobs in an areathey choose not to because of what >>3081653 said
>statistics come out showing that 30% of the playerbase is solo camping named mobs new players need>dev response: "yeah we see this, it's well within acceptable numbers, we'll monitor the situation">number is clearly rising as more and more people level upI've gone from being this games biggest defender to just being aghast at how retarded this development team is.
>>3081666>they could literally just design it so placing a camp preemptively tags all mobs in an areaAre you playing in an expansive mmo world or a lobby based game? That's basically reserving a room for you to play with your friends, just make it a lobby game where you grind fixed camps and call it a day. I guess the evolution of that would be PSO 1.
>>3081702>to just being aghast at how retarded this development team is.For me it was them fucking up their first major patch and having to roll it back. Gave me instant PTSD flashbacks of Pantheon scamming me out of my hard earned NEETbux.
>>3081702To play devils advocate, I don't think it's fair to say new players "need" that gear but it IS really fucking stupid to design a situation where new players are legit muscled out of level appropriate content with level appropriate items and the most people can cope about it is "well stats don't matter at that level anyway"It's like, nobody cares dude, think about how bad it feels to be in a situation where you see the senior poopsockers getting all the cool items (again, doesn't matter if they functionally do nothing; noob see stats, noob thinks "oooh") and you just sit around in poverty gear. The fact that these devs are so up their own asses that they can't even imagine how this all comes across to the uninitiated blows my fucking mind.I will genuinely be amazed if player retention rates aren't single digits.
i enjoy playing this video game and will continue to do so
>like 4 different dungeons that have named mobs between level 1-20 near NH>get to level 20>finding areas to level and get gear becomes vastly harder due to the few level 20+ zones either having vastly higher leveled stuff, or the few named spawns are campedIs level 20-30 supposed to be some sort of massive hell level that you solely grind xp mobs for with zero drops?
>>3081776yes but almost every level
>>3081754It's a maximally retarded situation because until you get to like level 40 stat bonuses on gear are literally worthless. The anon earlier was testing having 100 and it does zero noticable difference. But without gear, what is even the driver for progression?
>>3081776at lvl 45 I have>3 dropped gear pieces>1 quest item from my class quest>everything else is bought
>>3081784>does zero noticable differenceuse eyes
>>3081793This has the dumbest playerbase I’ve ever seen in a mmo. They aren’t even women, which is crazy.
>>3081711>That's basically reserving a room for you to play with your friendsWhat's the difference between that and a gm getting a petition because someone else is "stealing the camp," exactly?Does this game legit induce braindamage on everyone who plays it or what?
>>3081497it doesnt. thats where i trained my lockpicking to 52 and its just a hallway that goes and turns into another hallway that ultimately becomes a dead end. unless there is a hidden door somewhere within the hallway it must be for some future expansion
>>3081805i encountered a 15 wizard that was just shooting his ice blast untill oom then medding
>>3081812>run around wyrmsbane placing campfires in every room>i have claimed the whole dungeon for myself, get fucked
>>3081793>>3081805i've literally checked this myself at level 26 retards>put on +19~ worth of wis gear>test>take it off, testzero difference
>>3081829>level 26go level up, little gup
>>3081836cope
>>3081829Yeah I've tested this for the bard DOTS too and I haven't seen any noticeable difference with either CHA or INT
Is it true that one of the best rings in the game comes from having Ashira faction? This is the first I've heard of it then again this is my first taste of the game. Forgive the reddit, the devs love using any social media that's not their own forums, so thats where a lot of the things i read are.
>>3081829Some skills aren't affected at all by stats and just deal fixed damage based on your level and a random roll, be sure to test it properly
>>3081821>If I implement this system as uncharitably as possible it is le badObviously you could just limit it to 1 camp per player/group you actual fucktardSetting that aside, the difference between this and 6 high level guys in the same guild camping every named in Wyrmsbane is...?
>>3081887>Obviously you could just limit it to 1 camp per player/group you actual fucktard>Drop my camp in a popular room then ignore it and don't engage any mobs
>>3081018>Make Japanese version of already existing game>Take out all of the bad shit>game is suddenly miles better than the originalhow did they do it?
>>3081891>If I implement this system as uncharitably as possible it is le badLook Trent, if you want that sub cash, you are going to have to actually design a system worth a shit at some point, okay?
>>3081918>everyone that replies to me is Trent
>>3081891>Waste your camp on another spot>Someone comes into your "camp" and plops their campfire down>Since you didn't claim the camp we don't need gm involvement when somebody else comes and claims it out from under youEz
>>3081926>team goes for a 5min piss break and a rebuff>my team walks in and puts the campfire down and steals the spotEz
ever invite someone to your group, ask them if they can show you a named spawn, then they have a random and sudden spectacular meltdown over that, call you and your group "democrats", then leave in a sobbing fit after they get called dumb?cause that just happened
>>3081861Anon he could easily be making shit up. You could get BIS for not killing all the orcs and wyrms btw
>level 7-8 mob camp>level 17-22s running around farming themgood good
>>3081924Just the really dumb faggot that has no idea how to design but simps for the devs anyway
>>3081950>the other person doesn't know how to design even tho it was my suggestion
>>3081529Instead of making a stupid compromise they should have gone with a smarter one.
>>3081829there are people with like 100 in a stat and the active abilities that give +50% stat and they have seen their dot damage go up by 1 per tic.also the dot damage is fixed when applied and not calculated based on your stats as they change over the dots life.I dont know how much stats affect dot damage but they do.
>>3081966we don't do that in eq
>>3081968and those "people" were all sub lvl 20
>>3081962>A random Cantonese calligraphy board poster spit balling did not iterate a fool proof design? I poked a hole in it, hah the idea has no meritThere is literally nothing clever about what you are doing lil broBottom line is the devs (who are doing this for money by the way) are the ones who are supposed to be designing this. Instead they chose not to and coped (like you are right now) about situations to justify needing gms to handle stupid problems that exist only because they are too incompetent to design a proper solution.
>>3081968>there are people with like 100 in a stat and the active abilities that give +50% stat and they have seen their dot damage go up by 1 per ticI went from 71 > 77stat at level 19 and my DoT damage went up by 1 per tickWhen I get higher ranks of my spell, the increase per stat will be even higher. Stats scale with your level and the rank/level of your spell, why is this so hard to understand
>>3081974>A random Cantonese calligraphy board poster spit balling did not iterate a fool proof design? I poked a hole in it, hah the idea has no meritYes, so stop making retarded suggestions or take them to r*ddit with all the other retard suggestions
>>3081984Hmm nyoCry about it
>>3081992Okay, have a good rest of your weekend anon and I hope you play some video games you actually enjoy
>>3081980>why is this so hard to understandProbably because it's not stated anywhere in-game aka the only place most people look
>>3082015>Probably because it's not stated anywhere in-gameIf you do some tests yourself, in-game, you will come to this same conclusion. How do you think I learned this?
i've literally never in my life seen a games community that is composed to this degree of what can only be described as decrepit gen x and boomer cocksuckers who deflect every single bit of critique aimed at improving the game. the worst part is after they kill this game within the next half a year, they'll just go back to the P99 containment zones they crawled from. and make no mistake, they are containment zones, actual EQ fans who don't shit in socks all play Project Quarm.
>>3081829> wis gearYour a Druid, aren’t you?
>>3082020I know this is hard for autistic people to grasp, but most people have not spent and have no intention of spending hours testing stat contribution per level. They just sort of trust that higher = better
>>3082042>They just sort of trust that higher = betterAnd that holds true, where's the problem? If you pay a small amount of attention to your damage and your stats, you'll notice the scaling
>>3082038Secrets shouldn't you be too busy trying to save EQL to shitpost here? You've lost like 75% of your playerbase my mentally ill friend.
>>3082038>who deflect every single bit of critique aimed at improving the gameThese communities are genuinely more akin to cults than playerbases.
>>3081711actually yeah could you just give me more games like PSO and PSO2 before it got a global release? I'll leave if you do, thanks.
>>3082042This isnt even getting into how lowbies are effectly gate kept out of gear anyway because high levels permacamp wyrm lmao>'That gear is worthless, it's fine that you can't get it because you don't need it, just get it first and then run these tests with and without the gear you can't get, see?'I am convinced the only people still in the dev's court at this point are unironic autists with zero capacity for thinking outside of their own heads
>>3082068this is proving to be true time and time again
>>3082068>we like our game the way it is>new people come in and start demanding changes>we don't want changes>YOU'RE JUST PART OF A CULT
These nigger devs will drop the servers and hotfix a mob dropping more than 2 silver but leave AV not having trade skill equipment up for 2 weeks.
>>3082106Crazy, right? Imagine continuing to give these people your money. The only good thing in this game is the absolutely banging soundtrack. That nigga needs to get more work after this.
>>3082101I guess suggesting guards give correct directions is just too wild a change for the community to accept
>>3081711>>3081821>>3081891>What's the difference between that and a gm getting a petition because someone else is "stealing the camp," exactly?You'll notice for all the holes he pokes he never answered this one simple question
>whole buncha RMT & gold farmer faggots taking low lvl camps>everyone reeeeeeeeeeeeeeing for instances or something to be done about it>majority of the RMT & gold sellers will fuck off to wow forever on the 4ththis problem is going to solve its-self
>>3082163>thinks they won’t do both at the same timeLmao
>>3082163>majority of the players will fuck offyupbut it won't be because of wow forever
>>3081388no it's not, phoenix was a sad attempt at recreating era. Not even close.
>>3082163I agree, fellow genuine anonymous poster who isn't being paid by Microsoft-Actiblizzard to muddy the waters.
>>3082163no they wont. theyll do both games at once and are more likely to not leave this one since it will be less contested.
>rusty steel weapons vendor the for same price as rusty iron weaponsand the jews keep on jewing
>>3082218I'm just not paying money for stuff, if i want something I'll camp it myself. if i can't because some faggot rmt is there, I'll camp something else. simple as
>>3082135all guards should be like the AV guards. Move along, Worm.
>>3081637this is fucking cringe.
BIG FAT FUCKING hex-knight ogre with metalworking smithing and mining
>>3082186only people that think this are horizon players with 5 relics
>>3082367What the FUCK are you talking about.
>>3082367Go back to your retard containment thread, retard
What's the most fun DPS that deep gnomes have access to?
>>3082413rogue. pickpocket is kino. being completely fucking worthless is kino. based on your image posted you are a sissyfag and need to be fully dependent on a group just like a rogue.
>>3081934unvaxed eq boomers on their last brain cell
>>3082413>fun DPSWizard because big numbers make my monkey brain activate
i spent 4 hours in the underdocks trying to level my cleric. from level 5-9 i witnessed maybe 8 different level 18-21s farm the skeleton elders and drive away multiple other groups. the popular rat camps were devastated by some level 20+ deepelfs.i zoned into caverns of irem for fun and got killed by a level 40+ mob 100 feet from the zoneline.this was not on trem. holy fuck get me out.
>>3082486No refunds
>>3081580We did that in eq, but more youthfully
>>3082486There's nothing level 40+ near the zone line. The bandits are like 15-18 maybe.
>>3082486skill issue. when that happened to me i hailed one of the groups and talked them into power leveling me because im not socially retarded. you should go back to zoomer mmos where you arent punished for being a future school shooter.
>>3082505a large amount of enthralled mobs were on/around the right side of the river as you came out of the zoneline.
>>3082505there are big mushrooms on the left forest that are like level 28 at least
do bounty rewards get worse as you level? did i self own by not turning in these 30 something myconid parts sooner? i swear they were 2 silver but now they're only one.
>>3082520They're 1 at low levels too.
>>3082525did they nerf this ?
>>3082526Given the entire rest of this thread, yeah probably
>>3082526they halved all the rewards last weekstay poor
>>3082495Sadly they do give refunds, which is ruining my enjoyment of "no refunds" jokes. They need to remove subscription refunds in the next update
>>3082551i dont like thisi dont like you
>>3082402the fact you know about that thread says enough. stick to De-Q
>>3082554with how petty and retarded some of this games fanbase and defenders are, there are probably people who unironically believe this
>autoattack a monster>tab target a npc>npc kills me in one hit because tab targeting them doesn't disable auto attackwho designed this shit
>>3082520>>3082576you used to be able to buy those deep severed beetle legs at the common vendors and turn them in for a fat profitnow it results in a net loss and all those legs rot away in vendor stock foreveryou could probably make a big profit if you roll a deep haggle discount but I've never rolled one that makes it worth it
why does stealth just randomly seem to not work?
>>3082645somebody said something about eating or drinking breaking stealth but i cannot remember where i read that. damn dev team split up over multiple social media networks is cooking my dumb brain.
>>3082647yeah i saw that too, funnily enough i died multiple times and have no food/drink. maybe it happens due to the check and not actually having food.
>>3082647well its not the food check. maybe high level mobs just see through low levels stealth? that or they have a see invis buff that doesn't actually change my con output.
>>3082674i see 1 thread about conning being inaccurate and there are no replies to it. in another thread somebody suggested Forage can break stealth too, for instance, if you have it hotkeyed to a movement key. thats all i could find in my limited searches.
>>3082736yeah no idea. rip my idea of drawing maps with level 1 rogue.
>>3082736Forage does break stealth, as does eating food that buffs you, even automatically.
>>3082778>as does eating food that buffs you, even automatically.this seems like a crazy oversight
>>3082900simulates belching i guess i dunno. devs made that gamble to let the masses play a vastly unfinished game. interesting to see how it goes.
Could one of you fine gentlemen give me some directions to find this guy? Wiki says "Broken Wall" in BTB but I'm not sure where that is.
>>3082900Reminds me of how Dualcast gets consumed by using food or a potion in FFXIV, shit has been around for years and they just dgaf
>>3082038Secrets, your stubble is as embarassing as your desire to be a woman
>>3082413Unironically wizard because it's easily the best class in the game without any exaggeration
Is the pop collapse starting to happen?
>>3083302i dunno but us west has had more than trem at primetime everytime i checked
>>3083313interesting, since its trem that gets all the attention
>>3083317us east 2 isn't very far behind either of them as well.
>>3082106anon, they fucking banned a guy who was doing tradeskills to make moneythe lack of tradeskill stations is deliberate because it's "friction". they don't WANT you doing tradeskills.
>>3083322until that guy shows proof of that being the reason that never happened
>>3082988
does the 6 vials from the deep cut arsonist quest really only reward 1 silver this quest is an unimaginable hassle. I regret talking to the stupid guard
>>3083364Thank you kindly brotherMy ass is desperate to get some punchin' weapons
So I played EQ I started with EQOA and I still play that now and again on private servers. As a EQ fan.This game is fucking dogshit. You're actually retarded for playing it and I am retarded enough for paying for a sub, Dogshit, a fun and time vacuum devoid of any type of joy with the worst people you can possible imagine.It's not worth the sub, go buy a few happy meals and you'll be better off.
>>3082512That means someone trained them to the zone, those come from the pyramid area
I want a strict RP server
>>3083377You know those work like FFXI right? I wish we could get a monk h2h table.
>>3083395>I didn't like the game, so no one should either>I'm so ANGRY about this game, you should be too!!>Stop having fun!!!!!
>>3083398no. they were just sitting there for a while. nobody trained them.
>>3083413>esl reading comprehension Embarrassing desu
>>3083411>You know those work like FFXI right?Explain?
>>3083420its been a while but im pretty sure you have some baseline delay and your damage is determined by your weapon skill.fist weapons just give you a bonus to that damage, a penalty? to delay and often accuracy bonuses.its fucked up in some ways that you basically use the level 1 fists for 30 levels because everything else cripples your delay for a small damage gain or doesn't have +accuracy (brutal rape)
>>3083429Ok if you take like Bonebreakers it says DMG 2 delay 3, it adds both of those to your base h2h damage/delay
You guys have weapons on your monks? I've just been bare handed all this time
>>3083442someone needs to do the level 10 math and find out when raw fists beat worn great staff
>>3083453from what I know, fists start as 5/30 weapons and gain +1 damage every 6 or 7 levels
>>3081815I figured that's what it was gonna be but also lame. They should have made it "stuck" or something instead of lock pickable if there's nothing behind it.
>>3083437And is that just not worth the extra delay?
>>3083498i assume like in eq the delay scales down with levels so its not automatically bad.
>>3083498>>3083502also even if it did its still an instant upgrade since the delay would be so small>>3083460
>>3083498the dmg/delay was worse than a corroded bronze weapon at level 5, it's probably better later on.
>>3082233>buy them>fix them up>sell them for profit
>>3083437Can you use one in each hand at least? Just fist weapons in general I mean, I think Bonebreakers specifically is lore.
>>3083644you can dw fist weapons, yes
>>3072125>>3069095behold
>>3083707damn, bro deliveredbased
>have to use ai to translate spanish to someoneyou told me 15 shekels a month keeps the subhumans out...
>>3083751subhumans pay the sub to farm gold/items/sell characters pendejo
>>3083707have her bent over slightly doing a jessica simpson daisy duke pose
>$0.02 has been deposited to your account
does the left hand weapon delay matter when dual wielding? or should I just stack the most damaging weapon?Are they individual delays or its averaged?
>>3083832No. always use the best ratio dmg/delay
>>3083791The non-quoting newfag is awake. Now say something about the "Sharty"!
>>3083783I'm gunna be so sad when their monk ends up better more fun and interesting than ours. Literally every suggestion I ever made on making the monk not feel so lame to play was met with "but our sandwiches..."
>>3069406Yeah: you’re a retard
>>3069392I’m playing the fuck out of it
>>3083950Bodied that freak three days later
>play shaman>co-healer blows entire mana bar trying to heal me through pact>then melees
should I make a ranger or a shaman
>>3083974>co-healer
>>3083979do you want to be a healer or a subpar dps?
just dumped all my mana on some dumb sissy and went to melee with my chad hammer
spellblade should have been the tank and inquisitor should have been a 2h DPS/utility
>>3084166naah
>>3084174hell yeah like the dragon age arcane warrior
>>3084192double naah
>EVERYTHING auto-trained but dodge & parryWhy would EVERYTHING auto-train but dodge and parry...........
>>3084213we do that in eq you baka ogre mutt
>>3084203double hell yeah, shouldn't you be fucking back off to your retard containment thread?
>>3084237>da zoomer opens xer mouthkek
>/who all 20-60 druids, shamans and clerics on Vespyra>17 dudus>19 shamans>22 clericsso what happened to dudu being LE OP?no one who actually gets past the tutorial wants to play this dogshit class
>>3084218Brother I have played Everquest for twenty something years.......maybe at the very fucking launch you did that but other then that no you do not, only thing ive trained at a trainer in everquest in the past twenty years was for either to boost a tradeskill for alcohol for LDoN raid bosses and lets argue that you did do this in Everquest....you either gotta train it ALL or NONE of it, not train this and don't train that at complete fucking random because that will just confuse the player. I bet you more tanks then not in this whole fucking game atm is running around with parry and dodge not trained
>>3084268so you didn't play the REAL EQ then
>>3084246it's time for Tard bus Jr. to take his meds
>>3081371bug exploiting, expect to get banned.
>>3084213If it makes you feel better, you're a tank so they'll cap after one group
>>3084213>reposting shit from reddit again
>>3084268>>3084275This, you probably played post-Luclin then because I guarantee you during classic era you absolutely had to go back to your trainer and train shit like reposte
>>3083406Wasn't it Firiona Vie that disabled "common" and forced everyone to speak racially? That was so fucking kino it's unreal
>>3084249They were nerfed heavily on ea release and retards didn't catch up with the news.
>30% of the playerbase is camping wyrmsbane for drops while at level 20 and 30>this isn't a problem according to the devs >dementia riddled EQ boomers actually didn't understand this statistic and thought it made them look good/there was no problemI've been defending this game for months but I think it might be time to call it quits. This dev team and their diehard, retard fanbase may just be too stupid to deserve nice things.
>>3084304good, you should report me. I'll sit here and wait. in the meantime, go back to your retard containment thread and ffxi private server
https://forum.monstersandmemories.com/d/2324-my-experience-as-an-inquisitor-so-far-level-33Absolute shitter tank cries about being outtanked by pets. I sincerely hope the devs don't actually listen to these retards.
doing some shilling for 2 centshaze persistent world in neverwinter nights.permadeath hardcore rp enforced "mmo" with, 250+ players daily.if you like rp and slow games and having a lasting impact (something I did a year ago still affects the server today) then you should play!its similarly a "group required" experience where venturing too far into the wilderness alone or even ill prepared in a group can be the end of a character that you've spent months on. all info is kept in game and asking for info about something out of game is met with "find out in game"dream game for at least a few of you here
>>3084388This really isn't as big a deal as you guys think it is. Just keep leveling up and finding other completely uncamped spots. Hell even at that level range you can go to the Deeps to the dungeons that have 3 people in them.Getting a belt that gives you +2 stamina or whatever isn't nearly as good as just fucking leveling, which you can keep up with buying rusted shit at vendors.
>>3084398how’s the erp?
>>3084398Buy an add, nigger
>>3084406none
>>3084402Gearing is probably the most important part of an mmo. There is no endgame - the leveling experience is the game. And the game is shaking out to be “kill hellboars for 500 hours, then sit on a zero threat named to sell gear to lowbies, so you can buy your gear from a different poopsocker”.
>>3084394Is this dude retarded?>>3084409It's called an Ad you brownie, go back to India.
>>3084415Fuck that then, I’m getting gaped by ogres in Aêthoril.
>>3084394>we get Invis.. except we don't have access to it on a corpse runIf I were a dev, my biggest takeaway here would be that I need to do a better job indicating that players can and should get backup spellbooksJust another onboarding faildev moment
>>3084402Maybe don't design a situation where the shiny cool loot that apparently doesn't matter is gate kept from the new ones who don't know any better senpai
>>3084426I guarantee you your experience will improve more dramatically by going from 15-25 than it will being 15 and +2 stamina. You guys are so fucking lootbrained from WoW you're missing the entire point of a slow burn like MnM.
>>3084443>shiny loot>a +2 stam beltnot dodging the wowtranny allegations
>>3084448> you're missing the entire point of a slow burn like MnM.Killing hellboars and then sitting in front of a 8 minute slot machine?
>my classic guild voted to roll no shoes on retoilet-thank Tunare's tits I don't have to play that shit nowM&M all day every day!
>>3084455>>3081601>When poopsockers try to call anyone else trannies
>>3084457Unironically yes. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
>the poopsocker is legitimately so up his own ass he doesn't grasp that +2 sta is a lot cooler than literally nothing
What is actually wrong with these "people?"
>>3083974>be shaman>tank is wearing a shieldYeah not using pact in this group. More time to loot at least.
>>3084388>30% of the playerbase is camping wyrmsbane for drops while at level 20 and 30When you think about it, that's huge. It's like saying that in the first day of a wow expansion most players stopped leveling because it seemed a better idea to camp in the barrens for an item.
>>3084487You are speaking as if 99% of situations aren't covered by one load out to begin with. Maybe if a healer who cares he'll slot Cure Disease or Cure Poison depending on what the camp does
>>3084491The playerbase is exceptionally dumb and cowardly, even for a mmo. There is much better gear you can farm in your mid 20s-30s
>>3084402>the loot doesn't matterthan why is a significant (and increasing) portion of the player population that is above level 20 and 30 spending 8 hours a day camping this loot?could it possibly be... le gasp... that the loot chase is the entire game?!?! could it possibly be that... you stop getting any new, interesting class abilities by the time you reach 20 and there's nothing else to strive towards?!?!
>>3084487this guy doesn't play dudu, shaman or chanter I hope
>>3084476>>3084483>>3081601I'm not saying in a vacuum that getting loot drops isn't fun or cool, I'm saying there's clearly a situation right now where newbie loot is being hunted by higher levels because the game is only two weeks old and any stat gear is desired. This is going to change in a month when the higher levels are locked into endgame dungeons for years, and then you'll have the actual real problem of elf-lawyer camping and ACTUAL tranny poopsock guilds. In the meantime you should just level up because that is the most significant power boost any character can get, and no 1-50 overworld group needs decked out members.Not to even mention the fact that after doing Fallen Pass skeletons for three hours you can fucking afford an entire newbie suit anyway, making this entire bitchfest the most dramatic faggot shit imaginable.
>>3084448>you don't need magic gear, you're just being lootbrained from WoW, it's all about the slow burn journeypray tell what exactly is on that journey then without gear, faglord? is the telos of Monsters and Memories some morbidly obsese 60 year old genxer squatting on a raid boss 24/7? because there is certainly no exploration. do tell, oh enlightened one
>>3084502This, the player decisions I've personally witnessed have completely convinced me that MMO players really are on the whole just fucking babies who want free loot and one button kill DPS.
>>3084507>Not to even mention the fact that after doing Fallen Pass skeletons for three hours you can fucking afford an entire newbie suit anywayDon't worry, the Zimbabwe inflation will end that in about a month
>>3084511>give players exactly what they want>look away as they also mod your game into a porn simulator >buy another $70,000 watch
>>3084502You people are so fucking retarded that it hurts.Yes, there is """better""" gear that you can farm and camp at that level. But it also requires a full group to farm names your own level, and the drops get split 6 ways in between the greediest ninjalooters imaginable and plate wearers who will roll need on every single piece of armor because it's an upgrade. This is on top of actually running to those locations, finding the group in the first place, and then having said group break up within an hour or two as 2-3 people inevitably leave.Now, consider that this situation, when combined with the extreme scarcity of named versus placeholders (you can legit go 2-3 hours without seeing a named) causes a massive scarcity of gear for everyone trying to play the """proper""" way. So what's the structural solution that the game forces people into? Camping Wyrmsbane, or AC, or dogs, or whatever else gets them drops. BECAUSE EATING A SANDWICH SOLO WHILE LOCKING ANYONE TRYING TO PLAY THE """PROPER""" WAY OUT ENDS UP GETTING YOU MORE GEAR UPGRADES THAN PLAYING THE GAME NORMALLY.The system is structurally set up to encourage this behavior, and taking away disenchanting won't magically make it go away. You can spend 8 hours grinding a single named spawn, have it appear twice, and both times someone else will roll higher than you for the drop, or due to the bizarre rarity system, you may simply not see what you need at all.
>>3084504They're probably camping it to sell or disenchant, maybe keeping a drop or two for alts or something. I guarantee there's more in the world than the literal NH newbie dungeon.>loot chaseIf you are so loot obsessed that you don't care about seeing new dungeons, killing new things, finding new fun with your boys, etc, then that's on you. I raided p99 and got sweet raid loot, but more importantly I killed Tunare and Vulak, did Ring Wars, personally soloed through the entire old world as best I could, and got into all kinds of trouble. That's actually the point of the fucking game: the experiences that loot lets you have. Faggots like you are the whiny cunts who complain about loot, but the second you actually get it you raidlog and barely play the game at best, or just fucking quit and never use your shit at worst. You guys really are niggers, huh? Can you even rotate a photorealistic apple in your mind?
>>3084535
>>3084537oh no heavens forfend grouping in the game about grouping
>>3084539>I raided p99Thank you for giving everyone ITT and excellent reason to instantly dismiss anything you ever say.
>>3084547>game is about grouping>mechanics disincentivize and actually punish you for grouping Are you going to start defending the loot changes that require some sort of retarded round robin looting system and actively punish casters next?
>>3084547Good luck convincing pugs to do anything not wikified and tucked in bumfucknowhere where one bad pull will set you back 2 hours.
>>3084562Bro, getting zero experience or cash sitting in wyrmsbane bonking a PH every 8 minutes is not more efficient than a proper lvl camp, that is 10x more likely to be open in the first place. You’re just a pussy afraid to leave tutorial dungeon.
>>3084346Hey I had a massive problem and used every resource at my disposal to try and solve it vs whatever the fuck mental illness kinda faggot shit your doing here
>>3084562>>3084567You guys unironically need to get friends and trust them and then all this drama immediately vanishes.
>>3084577That's literally all it is. They just want a safe blue group so they never ever have to go out of their comfort zone even a little bit, for any reason.
>>3084550I accept your concession.
>>3084584>it's better if you have friendsthis argument has been used for every single game that died ever, to the point that it has lead to the famous refrain that playing with shit is more fun with friends.
uh oh, developer having a meltie in the thread again!
dudu, the worst class in the game and the least popular healer post tutorial, needs a major buff NOW!
>>3084616So genuinely, I understand what I said is cliche but in a game with massively high stakes like this, how can you afford to constantly pug? For me, the 1-50 game is just as much about finding solid ass niggas as it is about power gain. If you're not in a poopsock guild, you literally just need people you know you can rely on. I can't see how you can do it otherwise unless you're playing a very good solo class.
>>3084583>Hey I had a massive problemBeing an actual retard with a humiliation fetish does sound like a problem. Sucks to be you, I guess.
>>3084624>everyone who likes the game is a dev
>>3084627druid as a healer should never, ever be competitive with cleric, fuck off.
>>3084641why not?you do know that cleric now has better utility than druid, right?
my hot take is that every single class should get a pass over to tweak their ability to solo to be a bit higher. soloing shouldn't be optimal, it shouldn't even be particularly fun or efficient, but it should be possible without extreme agony and not flatly "you're never going to do this" like Cleric or Wizard solo.
>>3084642>cleric now has better utility than druidby what, summoning food and water lmfao? meanwhile you have ports, summon food and water, buffs, and sow. shut up retard and go back to your containment discord.
>>3084647they got a groupwide damage proc in the launch patch
>>3084648and? druid still has far more utility than cleric even factoring in that. oh no, cleric got a single thing beyond rezzes and healing!
>the game heavily punishes death between corpse runs and xp loss >"wtf our players aren't adventurous!">the game makes gearing and leveling pretty much mutually exclusive because of named mob casino and greedy niggers>"wtf our players just want to solo something and get a guaranteed upgrade if it drops!">the game doesn't reward exploration due to a total lack of communicated incentives and nothing but observable risks (death, time loss)>"wtf our players just stick to familiar safe areas!"Just more faildev moments
>>3084656not true though, that proc alone mogs everything druid can do
Expect stories like this to be far more common, followed by a general decline in the number of caster/puller players and a spike in solo classes like necro. The developers of this game are retarded and killing the game by doubling down on universally negative things like the loot changes.
>>3084627Druid is just as good at healing as shaman, just invite an enchanter to the party.
>>3084667enchanters all quit when they couldn't do 3 peoples dps anymore
>>3084659A Druid can cast thorns, regen, and sow on the cleric twink lvling up to replace her.
Are they really not going to do a full server wipe once 1.0 releases? Genuinely insane decision, and a fresh start server absolutely is not a smart replacement for a wipe. There's going to be what, multiple years of inflation, exploits and more stacking up?
once I get to 60 I will twink out a chudblade and laeve healslutting to others
>>3084691if they wipe im quitting
>>3084691they will do fresh servers if there's demand but no wipes
>>3084632You're never supposed to fight anything higher than a blue without a party, or if you truly know what you're doing. The game currently is tuned to be far too easy, so you never really need to be in danger or lean on anyone too much. I'm not sure if this is by design or if they've missed the balancing mark.
>>3084691They’re making a fresh server with very module drop. You can try the new content with your big dick lvl 60 one shitting everything, or you can join the great server (and watch everything get one shot by a poopsocker who somehow grinded 1-60 in 7 days. )
>>3084706>if there's demand
>>3084713they are not doing fresh every module only in 1.0
>>3084699sounds like leveling wasnt actually a fun experience then
>>3084665It's actually terrifying to see how passive most people are. I can't picture them functioning as adults and not being bullied constantly.The bard in this example is supposed to stop and not pull anything until some loot is distributed, ideally they will call out somebody by name and say>hey x, can you throw me some medallions please?
>>3084728but silently grinding the same mobs for 12 hours is peak gameplay!!!
as a necro I should be always trying to fight white enemies minimum while solo, right? maybe yellows if I can find a good single one to pick off?
>>3084739you will quickly see when fighting whites becomes extremely inefficient, for most of your leveling killing blues just above light blues is the way to go
>>3084734hi, cleric here who has gotten gigafucked by the loot changes and is considering quitting:if you complain they'll just kick you from the group, or the group will break due to squabbling. the only way to get money now is unironically solo camping lower level content, ideally magic item named drops for sale.
>>3084734People don't want to rock the boat and naturally take the path of least resistance. They wouldn't be having this problem if they'd just realize that the retards they're grouping with shouldn't be treated like humans or deserve any sort of respect at all. Also they should be forming their own groups to begin with.
>>3084757>just form your own group lol no problems there
Hey faildevs just wondering, what was the valuable social interaction we gained by handing one or two kids all the cookies and telling the group to work it out again?
>>3084713>fresh server with every module dropno they aren't retardthey said fresh servers on 1.0
15 Cleric here, can someone start a party? I'm too lazy to start my own...
The absolute passivity and ineptitude from presumable adults in this very thread is utterly revealing
>>3084781Yeah cool but hey what was the desired interaction we gained again?
I was just looking on the wiki and saw that Druids apparently have Exodus for some fucking reason?Execute all druid players and nerf them more, they deserve it.
dudu needs a major buff
>>3084800isn't that the alien ship from wow
>>3084781>you're passive and inept if you don't spend 5 hours LFGing your own special group dedicated to tediously round robining medal drops to solve a problem that was literally inflicted by the developers, breaking an unbroken system>group breaks about an hour after you finally form it anyway due to 2 people suddenly needing to go feed their wives son dinnerclutch more pearls
setting up a master looter really is not that hard you know
>>3084820Yeah but hey what did we gain by not distributing loot equally again?I mean there was an upside to all this friction we inflicted, right?
>>3084822every time I master loot I make sure to divide the medallions in 7 absolutely equal stacks
>>3084826Okay cool but what did we gain by not just making that a default mechanical behavior? Just checking
>>3084829friction
>>3084829Because the lead designer hates the Advanced WIndow, and refuses to get rid of Corpse Looting.
>>3084835Yeah that was a cost, what as the benefit though?
>>3084826>system is fine before>round robin silver drops, copper is plentiful for the tier of enemy fought>break entire system, replace it with medallion system that requires your group to do tedious busywork at best>PUGs get completely fucked by ninjalooters>also forget to give the medallions to like half of the mobs in the game so that you can be killing level 30 orcs and getting an average of 10 copper per killYou don't have to defend nor die on this hill. This change is absolutely going to drive people, even dedicated people who enjoyed the game previously away.
>>3084842Talking more with your party members. For no reason.
hahaa get felted
>>3084751Good, too many fucking healers rn. My gigastacy cleric bonks mobs at 10% and always smashes that loot button. Her mana is the pullers problem - Aegis -> gate is always on her hotbar.
>>3084842the benefit is more friction
>>3084847Is talking in a strictly adversarial context where some players feel compelled to negotiate for fairness and failure to negotiate results in them being short changed really a healthy way of inducing player interaction?
>>3084858According to alovingrobot? Yes.
>>3084855You're trolling but I genuinely think the devs think that way and are completely serious about it
>>3084858you're being baited, nobody here (aside from the developer who keeps having passive aggressive meltdowns ITT) actually thinks "friction" as these morons seem to believe in it is a good thing.
>>3084829>>3084846>they didn't get the joke
>be me >wizard>cast 1 spell>do more damage than the rogue did the entire fight
>>3084865>you're being baitedYeah the "for no reason" tipped me off to that but as you stated there is absolutely either a dev or a simp for the devs itt who needs to read this shit and do some self reflection (he won't)
>>3084874I want them to fix the Deep Elf AV start sooo bad, Deep Elf loyalist wizard is such a cool idea and aesthetic but there is absolutely no chance of me grinding to level 12 to be able to do the basic first step intro quest in a zone that has a peak player population of like 50 a week after launch.
Enchanter illusions completely negate reputation requirements for deep elves, right?
>>3084771Solo'd for a bit and now I have a party. Will let you all know how it goes.
>>3084820its retarded giving 1 person that power just do round robin/alpha loot its way easier.
I'll bet none of you niggers have even seen Rothold yet
Is there an ETA on when the trait rework is going live? Please tell me it's not going to be with the next module release in half a year or whatever.
>>3084922when it gets here, you in some kinda hurry?
>>3084910Poopsocking for a failed game run by failures of devs isn't noble or indicative of how "hardcore" you are, it's just indicative that you have too much free time
>>3084926Kind of crazy to say that when he's billed $15/month for the privilege of beta testing for the devs
>>3084910I've been playing this game for 4 hours a day every day since launch and am on level 26, so no, I have not seen the level 30+ dungeon yet. I also didn't start as some OP class like necro or druid to speedlevel and twink out other characters like the entire beta tester brigade apparently did (in contrast to their endless larp about muh journey and muh exploration).Really, the hypocritical double standards among this games biggest fanboys are breathtaking desu.
is ghorast the highest level actively ITT?i need more status updates on BIG PUNT
>>3084922Not before we get the mouse race and maybe not after we get the mouse race
>>3084927sounds like something a jelly lil bitch would say
>>3084584>>3084632>just get a static broNo shit sherlock. Except i don't really want to tie myself to schedule and login into the game login into voice retardation that comes attached to those.
well?
>>3084437>be cantrip having caster>bind at the door of the dungeon>or next to the camp>die>be right there ready to fight again>be no cantrip caster>have to bind at bank so you can pick up your new spellbook to get a bunch of spells on your bar so you have any hope of making it back to your corpseIt is just a shit experience to require a second spellbook
>>3084697good fucking luck getting that chudblade to 60 after all the parties are gone
Anybody know what the book "Wondrous Summoning" is for?
>>3085003I don't disagree but thats not what that post is indicating, it literally does not seem to occur to him that he can have a second spellbook
>>3085003We did that in EQ though. >Have to set your spellbar every time you die because the game cannot remember how you set up your bar.>Have to switch party buffs and active skills even if it wouldn't change the gameplay at all if you could put the party buffs in the bottom skill bar, since you just use it once every hour or so. You're only allowed your 10 skills even if it takes 30 seconds to switch up your bar because we did that in EQ.>Monsters drop too many coins that get distributed evenly and automatically so lets reduce the amount of coins and make everything drop medallions so that casters won't ever make money (we actually didn't do this one in EQ).>Lets make a disenchanting skill that you need to grind out using low tier magic items because we did that in WoWDevs are sitting in a ton of QoL improvements that they wouldn't ever implement just because we did that in EQ.
>>3084946i don't think ghorast works. ive reached level 28. need to grind more orcs or something.
>>3085016Yeah I can't wait until the game turns into an impossible to onboard circle jerk of a game in a couple months between no party scaling and hyper inflation nuking the economy
ghorast poopsock
>>3085085Ghorast brand extreme dependsFor all your gaming needs.The Taco Bell Ghorast burritoto fill up your extreme depends.
Ghorast grinding hard he got dat ASIAN in him
>>3085157Son you Asian not Bsian
>>3084785I'm the simp throughout most of this thread and even I agree the new loot system is dumb. I don't really see any issue with a wow style toggle for different systems
>>3085061>we did that in EQFuck EQ.
>>3084963>I don't want to do a single fucking thing to solve any of my problemswoah
I am the Belowrax, I simp for the shrooms!
where can i solo at 18?
>>3085242what class? Probably keeper's bight. or Shaded Dunes. or SGS
>>3085061losing your spells entirely versus having to rememorize them are different things. i know you slowly get cantrips but this design is a uniquely m&m nonsense mechanic. not eve eq was so dumb.
>>3085275Some RMT can just buy all of the 1-60 spells for Wizard, scribe them into a spellbook, and sell it for a lot of money.
>people selling +3 and +4 garbage enchants for 1-2 goldis this just inflation or are they just scamming people?
At WIZ 4 do I even use the ice spell anymore or just alternate volley/reclaim?
I don't understand the mentality of signing up to play a game advertised as hardcore and oldschool just to bitch and whining nonstop about how it doesn't cater to your every whim and convenience.
>>3085330melee and volley/reclaim, one day you'll get other spells you can use too!
>>3085330Volley and reclaim will be 90% of your rotation but your shitty level 1 nuke is cheap enough that you can use it in between bonks to finish off mobs.
>>3085242class, race, sex?
>>3085335the people bitching don't even play this game, they just have nothing else to do with their sad, miserable lives but sit here with 18 tabs open on 4chan and be toxic little twats.
>>3085350Shaman, deep gnome, female.
>>3085330Wizard early levels are so unbelievably unfun.
>>3085351>complaining about 4chan>"toxic"uh ohh, another dev meltie!
>>3085354healslut instead of soloing
>>3085368Wizard doesn't even get good until 32 imoand that's just because the other dps classes are so shit. I carry every group i'm in.
>>3085374Go on back to your short bus ffxi private server containment thread for mommy's special little retard
So whats the stat priority for a tank? Agi? People say its the best stat & the worst stat saying it scales the worst. Sta? People say its trash cuz 2hp but people also say its the best because it scales block (tinfoil hat theory maybe?)
>>3085335>>3085351Literally this. I'm 27 and loving it so far
>>3085335You don't understand a lot of things, otherwise you wouldn't say stupid shit like this
>>3085351The only thing more embarrassing than being unpaid "volunteer" developers who get cut out of the money machine is coming to 4chan to have passive aggressive meltdowns over your already declining game being critiqued.
>>3085402You have two priorities as a tank: keep things on you and not die. I think people say AGI because it's a defensive stat tank gear apparently doesn't get easily at endgame. If I were you I'd prioritize AC, HP, and Str while leveling and then mess around with whatever later when things get more clear.
>>3085391>dev starts schizophrenically thinking everyone is one personNever played a Final Fantasy game nor MMO and never will, jRPGs are garbage.
>>3085415>projecting this hardYou're the only embarrassing thing here. I bet your mother would have smothered you in the crib if she knew you'd grow up to be like this.
>>3085351>the people bitching don't even play this game . . . anymoreweird how the cultists always leave this one key word out
>>3085433Yeah, I'm totally projecting about... being a volunteer developer lmfao. You're revealing yourself a bit too much, at least try maintaining a small veneer of deniability.
>>3085436if you don't play anymore, kindly fuck off?Why do you still come here?having a chuckle, m8?
>>3085443>reading comprehension of a toddleri won't be giving you any more (you)'s, faggot.
>>3085415gottem
>>3084213idk, I guess we did this in EQ because I instinctively knew I'd need to put a point into both of those at first.
>>3085451Sorry my dear faggot developer, what reading comprehension is required for you posting>projecting this hardin response to me calling you an unpaid (this part is oh so important, funny how the grapevine reveals how things work behind the scenes with those who got fucked over) developer having a mental breakdown ITT? Because you're just becoming more and more incoherent.
>forced to go to night harbor for a class vendor>sunlight immediately washes out my max gamma>hundreds of filthy surface dwelling degenerates swarming outside the bank like cockroaches>darkness finally comes>nonstop cricket noises drive me back undergroundNo wonder you're all miserable. I'm leveling to 60 in the caves.
>>3085444>having a chuckle, m8?sure am
>>3085468the filthy surface dwellers found out how to get down here, now I find myself wishing i could pvp in the underdark.
I was a bit skeptical on if some of the devs actually posted here but I guess anons were right, this is hilarious.
>>3085468I wish it was actually viable to stay underground without being a solo pet class. But due to the low player population down there it really isn't.Underdocks is good for 1-18 but once you hit that you eat shit because nobody goes to Irem or the Sea.
>>3085468Based
>make a shitpost>reply to myself a couple times>manufacture a public consensusJust another day as the biggest fish in a tiny pond.
>>3085476I hope they do post here because if they're the ones calling people "niggerbrained faggots" I completely and utterly trust their judgement
I don't know who needs to know this, and it's not mentioned anywhere on the wiki, but Enchanters apparently get the ability at higher levels from somewhere to turn into one of the furry dog people.
>>3085496The obvious developer isn't doing that, he's bitching about 4chan being toxic above lol
>>3085351bodied those loser 4channers
>>3085050>find bookshelf>starts with C>put book named Cataclysm on it>get messageNeat?
>>3084665>sit my fat bard ass down and tell them someone else can pull while I loot some medallions if people don't want to split them
>>3085421Just found this
>>3085513its probably how you summon the raid boss?
>>3085402AGI is a dead stat on tanks, especially paladins and Fighters. Fighters WANT to get hit, and Paladins are all about blocking.
>>3085402as a healer, the biggest thing I look for is are you using a shield. If you are using a shield, I know you are a moron and to wait a looong time before I start healing you.
what's stronger between a beastmaster with pet and an elementalist with pet solo?
>Did you just... use a shield? As a tank??? *snort* What a fucking retardI can't even imagine how fat the people who say shit like this are
>>3085572Its people like that that makes me glad DPS meters are banned. If I am tanking, I'm using a shield. I don't even own a 2H weapon as a Paladin.
>>3085572280 lbs. now fetch me another mob, boy.
starting as a deep elf in the Underdocks should start you at disdain reputation instead of KOS with most factions. you lost out on what will (hopefully) eventually be powerful AV class quest rewards in exchange for the generic UD quests and rep.
>>3084846It's so weird they did this shit, but the change to animal mobs was good at least you gotta give em that.
>>3085475Back to AV.
>>3085552turns out this is not eq
do the cleric/paladin/whoever else 15 second emergency immunity spells let you gate without being interrupted?
>>3085579It's not like I'm married to the idea of shields on a tank (one of my favorite tanks in another game actually centered around dual wielding) but it's just so tone deaf for so many reasons>Be a newbie>It just seems sensible to use a shield at first glance, 'im the tank so i guess i should have a shield'>You literally get skills that entice you to use shields, both active and passive ones>You put them in a group next to obese fags like >>3085562 and turns out they just failed a knowledge check that they had no hope of passingJust another symptom of incompetent developers paired with slavish cult-like players
>>3085402agi, ignore all those retards saying otherwise
>>3085572A true main tank doesn't use shields, weapons, or armor. They just exist as is, to tank.
>>3085650based caveman tank returning to monke
>>3085572we don't do that in eq
>>3085572Im 43 and use these on a shadow knight and cant hold aggro. I am in Unholy aura, spam shadow strike, siphon slash, do theft of vigor on pull and it isn't enough. I can spam theft of vigor and hold it but fuck doing that.
Why 35 minutes anyway for buffs, like why did they decide on that number?
>>3085684something about wanting people to rely on group members for buffs instead of getting them from outside sources unlike how we did in eq
>>3084665I see these stories on here, but my experience has been the oppositeEntire party not looting, afraid of looking like a goblin, until somebody starts saying not to waste the loot
>>3085644i took agile as a trait on my fighter, how fucked am i
>>3085718they are eventually redoing traits it dont matter
>>3085718very since you should have gone magic resistance for fear break, but the system will be revamped soon anyway
>>3085677a lot of the SKs i see at your level are using 2h weapons like roost maul
>>3084735We do that in eq
Honestly I'm of the opinion that an agro list is the worst form of aggression management you can have in a game. There's a lot of design space you can only explore if you have a little bit of chaos in fightsI wish there was a game where agro was less an invisible list and whoever was highest on that list got all the attention and more of a reflection of the intelligence of the monster you're fighting and what seems most relevant to them>For mindless undead or unintelligent beasts, maybe it's literally just as simple as "me hit thing in front of me">For more intelligent monsters such as human bandits or ashira warriors, they react to whoever does sizable damage or healing; sources of "spikes" of hp fluctuation is prioritized over steady incoming damage, so they want to swap and attack whoever the big damage dealers or healers are unless a tank actively intervenes via taunt or other abilitiesIn an agro management system with something like that you could have so many more cool things, like a positional melee system where even tanks can dish out pain on enemies who try to ignore them, or enchanters that literally get spells to make enemies dumber and thereby easier to manage, shit like that just seems way more interesting to me than just giving tanks bonus "agro" numbers and designing a system where they just solidify agro and the encounter turns into a tank and spankAre there any games like that out there?
>>3085773Some games have system of aggro where they calculate “who could I hit that would do the most numerical damage / move them closest to death”. You see it often in tactics games like FFT or xcom. It’s not fun. Defensive gear has zero value if you aren’t getting hit, and the meta shifts to an overwhelming alpha strike.
>>3085677Are you using taunt on cooldown?
>>3085677Stop using shield you retard, 2h is for aggro reasons as much as it's for reducing kill speedEven inqs your level use 2h
>>3085802which 2hand?
>>3085810The one with the best ratio you can get
>>3084892They did in eq at least
>>3085817>lose out on 16 AC from my shieldno, i dont think i will
