Skill week editionWhat is Pokémon Sleep?Pokémon Sleep is a sleep tracking app that utilizes your smartphone and/or the Pokémon Go Plus + device to record data as you sleep. In doing so, you'll be able to meet a variety of Pokémon and fill out your Sleep Style Dex.Be sure to post your Research ID so that you can add and share candy with fellow Anons. We are currently locked at 50 friends.FAQ:>How do Shinies work?If you encounter a shiny Pokémon, you only need to feed it a single Poké Biscuit to befriend it.>What should I spend my diamonds on?Expanding your ingredient pockets, item pockets and Pokémon box. Long term you’ll want to max out ingredient pockets, only get half of max for items and max 100 for Pokémon.>When should I use my items?When you have a good grasp of the game mechanics. You may want to save up Recovery Incenses for event missions.>What should I spend my sleep points on?Poké Biscuits first or if you’re a premium user: Main and Subskill seeds and Great Biscuits.>Can I play this game if there's a lot of noise where I sleep?The game tracks sleep based on motion only; sound has no impact.>A Pokémon I fed got full! Will I have to start from scratch the next time I find one?Nope! Pokémon retain the level of progress they were at the last time you fed them.>How do dream clusters work?The higher your research rank, the more you get. You may want to hold onto them as long as possible.>Official Pageshttps://www.pokemon.com/us/app/pokemon-sleep/https://www.pokemonsleep.net/en/news/>Unofficial Wiki[WARNING] Turbo Cancer-ridden with ads. Use at own risk.https://pks.raenonx.cc/en>Alternative Calculatorhttps://nerolislab.com/>Simple Candy Calculatorhttps://candy.blspnm.com**For safety, back up your account by linking it to Google or your Apple ID. Or at least copy your Support ID from the Pokémon Sleep launch screen (click to reveal Support ID under menu)**Previous >>>58089976
Wow, who knew two weeks of no events would kill this thread
>>58094527There's only so many times you can discuss the mechanics of the game, as it's part of a daily routine for a number of players still at it.I bet there'll be an uptick when players go to Expert Greengrass and have a bad time because of bad berry rolls, and not being allowed to E-Zzz reroll.Seriously I hope the expert tickets just grant you access to expert islands for the duration of the week, instead of being a single-entry.
>>58094527I honestly thought this board was a lot slower
>>58094896It usually is, but once in a while something big can happen that sends /zzz/ into a deep sleep.
Hoping for some grubbins tonight
>>58095640just get an aggron and a luxray for your coffee and other ingredient needs
got my first mono wooper after like 20 catches, subskills kinda suck and it would be ok with a mint and a subskill seed
Does Sleep still kill phone battery? I played at launch and would wake up to a molten hot phone. Eventually had to stop, but I'm itching to jump back in.
>>58096474It only ever did that to my phone if for some reason it was unable to go into the "sleep mode" where it would turn the screen off. Likewise, it only ever crashed if I locked my phone.You can also use some smartwatches to track sleep if you want, and there's always the pokemon go++.
I don't understand the obsession with expert mode. I could not give less than one single shit about it and I've played for 2 years
>>58096555It's the new island, of course people will be interested in it. It also has better spawns and an arguably more interesting playstyle with you having to juggle the preferred berries and stuff.Myself, the only island where I haven't reached M20 yet is Lapis, so it's only natural that I would want to move on to the next hardest island.Before you ask, the only money I have spent on this game were the first three Trial Bundles.
>>58096474it certainly drained my battery, even with screen off. and the screen off often took dozens of attempts to trigger>>58096497>and there's always the pokemon go++.not really, it's gotten very hard to find in the states and in europe and they go for ~100€/$ now. supposedly a successor is coming but god knows when
>>58096967God, the wait for the Go++ and Sleep itself was insanely long.It was announced in 2019 for a 2020 release, but actually took 4 years.
>somehow sleep didn't get tracked last nightDamn no grubbin spawns for me >>58096967>>58097086I didn't know the pg++ was rare. I managed to pick one up right before the scarcity it seems
New player, looking for people to add me. I have like 11 more slots.0440-8108-3195
>>58097609I wouldn't say it's rare so much as it's a two year old product that is no longer being manufactured.It's popular among Pokémon Go players just as an auto-catcher.
>>58097609>I didn't know the pg++ was rareyeah idk what they're doing. supposedly they still have a shitton in stock in pokemon centers in japan. it's an issue everywhere else and if you consult the charts, it started last fall. but tards on >reddit will claim it's muh tariffs
>>58096233>putting seeds and mint into that shit wooper only cause it has mono mushroomsmono ingredient brain rot
>>58099123I would only do it if mushrooms became meta relevant again since cut curry has surpassed hidden power curry, and if I dont get a mono or AAB that beats it. My current mushroom solution is an ABB gengar with HSM and ingredient^ nature, but its only level 30.
I'm hoping the next event is latis, so i can add latias to my waifu team. Hopefully one or both are dragon type, it would be nice to have a dragon skills option, likely another berry burst variant or maybe something new. Cress has E4E+Berry Burst, maybe Latis could have Extra Helpful+Berry Burst.
Anyone going expert next week? I feel like I need more prep for it
neutral nature, should i level it up a bit for now? doesn't seem perfect but got BFS
>>58099928i want to watch others (people who probably pay for the game) go to it first and see what they say>>58100031yes, that's pretty good for someone new to the game
>>58099928 I'm going, what's the worst that can happen? Every week I go to OGPP/Tundra to hunt for the same mons, and every week I find 0~1 of them. Going to expert island and performing like shit changes nothing in my life.
>>58099928Nah, still staying OGPP. Hoping the skill event helps me in my pursuit of a usable dedenne
9841-0399-3476Slots open.
You guys ready for skill week?
>>58100734I have good shit like Pawmot, Wigglytuff, Entei, Suicune, Dedenne, and Vaporeon.However, I'm going to Greengrass Expert with a GCT, and there's a real chance that I get a shit roll on berries, and you're not allowed to reroll.I'll check in the morning how this works because there's still unknowns or uncertainties about how Expert maps work, but the one thing that's certain is that even a bad week at Expert GG will at least progress your Expert Bonus for future visits.Otherwise, I might decide to go to Taupe Hollow so I can try for a really nice Larvitar or whatever, I could use a ginger farmer.
workin on a berry dump, got ingredients prepped for salads or desserts, if its curries im gonna reroll, goin for cyan m20
>>58099928Nah, I'll use the skill week to actually grab more skill Pokemon rather than just spend a week struggling with low spawns. I don't have any Berry Burst, Charge Strength or cooking strength-related skill types, so it would pretty much be a waste of the event bonuses if I went Expert.>>58100920>m20 with sub-50'sWhy bother?
>>58100920Trust me that you're not going to hit Cyan M20 with that team, even with a berry bomb setup.You have a single berry farmer and it's too low level. Sure you can use Slowpoke to farm tails, but stockpiling tails puts you at an overall strength deficit for the current week.Unless the plan was to switch to a more capable team once you're actually there?
I got lucky and got electric berries as sub mainground mainelectric bug sub
>>58101641that pic shows the possibilities for the one random site effect, i got the ingredients one
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>>58101653It's kinda badly phrased, but it almost suggests that ingredient specialists don't have to gather favorite berries to get the +2 ingredient chance.Right now, expert mode looks heavily biased towards berry specialists, especially if you get the 2.4x berry strength effect, and just makes cooking harder in general because some ingredients simply are not available with certain types.
You seem to be able to us a ticket to reset the area, but I’m not pressing it to find out. you can probably find out elsewhere on the internet what actually happenshaving no area bonus is brutal, so it’s probably worth taking the hit just to get that built up
>>58099928I haven't unlocked it yet, but I think there's a chance this could be the week especially if I can get Electric berries and carry with my Ampharos.
Oh and you get some nice little missionsStill have to get master level for incense, so rip that
>>58100734haha, no.
>>58101690I think I saw it said you can reset, but it uses up another expert ticket each time.
If you're going expert mode, what incense did you get for master 3? So far been seeing reports of hoenn starters, a-vulpix, mawile, Pinsir, sneasel, onix, dedenne, sneasel, munna, farfetch'd
>>58101880totodilemy initial thought is that it’s not great to have such a wide range of incensesthe narrow range on normal islands makes the pokemon somewhat farmable
>>58101732>15 inventory slotsIt's a trap!
>>58101868That's kinda lame, an Expert ticket should unlock Expert island access for the duration of the week, rather than single-entry.Like this isn't going to be an issue for Expert Cyan, Taupe, and so on, but for Greengrass that's going to suck ass because some types just lack viable berry specialists. Ground type didn't have anything meaningful until Swampert arrived, and Poison type still just sucks.
>>58101076switching to a skill/ingredient team is generally the idea with berry bombing incase youre new here. i have a team that can cook defiant salad consistently, and if i get ahead of production ill bring out my togekiss which has bfs
>>58102092Travel tickets are basically cheating for Expert mode (and regular modes) because you're just trying to re-roll off of something you weren't prepared for. You can still re-roll it by purchasing another Expert ticket, so it's not off the table, just an extra investment of Sleep Points. And it's very likely that the other islands will also feature similar randomization of favored berries even if it ends up just being from a smaller pool of types.>>58102194The point of berry bombing is just to get as much of a head start as you can with as many high-strength berries as possible. This particular group isn't going to provide much of a bonus with its low levels and low berry quantities. What you decide to use for the rest of the week ultimately doesn't matter since we're just focusing on the buildup week with a Legendary dog.
>>58102253I doubt the future expert islands will randomize the berries, the random aspect will be which is the primary favorite berry, and if the bonus effect goes to berries, ingredients, or skills.That'll create situations where you have to focus on a specific speciality and realistically, the berry effect will be the winning one for most players since the investment cost and typing for skills specialists is overly specific, whilst the ingredient boost will only make it selectively easier to make some dishes more frequently.For a majority expert islands, that effectively becomes a 1/6 chance to get your best berry for a given island, coupled with the berry effect.Greengrass also has too many variables with the completely random berries, it's difficult to prepare for because there's some very obvious chase Pokémon in this game and type biases like Electric, Grass, Fire, and Water. There's been an obvious emergence of dominant strategies for each island so far, which leaves you badly short-changed when you go to Greengrass and you roll shit like Poison / Bug / Steel.GG rolls are 3/18, and so there's usually a decent chance one of your three berries is viable for that week, but also a good chance you're not prepared because you didn't have a reason to prepare beforehand.So, what we have here with expert mode is almost like a New Game+ where some progress carries over, but much does not. It's also a way to suddenly significantly slow a player's progress, but the aspect of committing to what could be a very bad roll, might end up souring players and we get into a situation where players refuse to go to several expert islands, like never going to expert GG or Snowdrop. As I recall, Expert Bonus does not overflow into other expert islands like Area Bonus does either, so you can't just keep going to Expert Cyan Beach to eventually progress Expert GG, etc.We'll see how things go at the end of next week, anyway.
>>58102283>I doubt the future expert islands will randomize the berries, the random aspect will be which is the primary favorite berry, and if the bonus effect goes to berries, ingredients, or skillsI could see them making the primary berry one of the three types the island usually gives you (so for cyan the primary berry would be one of either water, flying or fairy) and then would randomize the other two
Close, but still wishing for a good Cleffa.
>>58102960Is metronome a good choice for skill week?
Power Plant basically gets the best spawns if you're actually looking to capture anything.>>58103250Metronome is generally good, with a rare chance for something like a Helper Boost trigger. The only one that will actually get a bonus would be Togekiss though. Clefable is a berry type, even if though both species have similar average daily activations.
i should not have rerolled...
Good Sleep Day delivered me a ton of new sleep styles this weekend, with 5 new styles last night alone (Sceptile, Treecko, Minun, 2x Honchkrow). 90k dream shards too.The Minun was double skill trigger but Lax nature, it's mintable.I got a really good roll on Expert GG: Dark / Grass / Fighting with Ingredient Effect, Salads week with GCT active.Dark is the primary type so it's the one that gets +10% helping speed.My Meganium, Victreebel, Venusaur, and Bewear are very well prepared for this event, as well as my Absol and Tyranitar. I could also add my Meowscarada I guess.My E4E Wiggly will have to suffer the 15% helping speed penalty, but this is offset by the 10% HB from Wiggly and Meganium and the skill week bonus, so it should be fine. My Absol also has HB, which I'll add when I need apples.
>>58103596rerolled again and got 3 berries i don't have mons for at all and even worse dishes. the gambler in me wants to reroll again but fuck this gay shit i'm not going to waste diamonds when we have the dogs next month
>>58103596Not got any good Walrein or Gengar?>>58102356Yeah, the three berries are set but it's random which one is the main. That's pretty much what I expect of future expert islands.That's what I meant by the 1/6 chance for the best berry, since you're most likely to have focused on Water for CB, Fire for TH, Grass for LL, Electric for OGPP.LL at least has a viable Psychic team with Cresselia now though, and there are plenty good flying and fairy options for CB.Snowdrop Tundra is the one that's kind of mixed, there's an obvious favorite with Walrein and the dark types can be very good. Darkrai has high potential but is still pretty inaccessible, whilst normal types are generally lacking.Oh and it was confirmed that rerolling for Expert requires using another Expert ticket, so that bites. It'll be tolerable for future islands, it's just, well fucking Greengrass will always suck.There'll be future events that have set favorite berries though, like the upcoming Legendary Beasts event in autumn will likely have fixed Electric, Fire, Water berries in some fashion.
>>58103622>Not got any good Walrein or Gengar?i do not have any pokemon for these berries at all. same with the second reroll.
>expert mode>skills week>flying main berryusing a team of 5 rufflets i have in the back is really tempting me
>expert GG>fairy (main), fighting, rockReally regretting not raising a sylveon right about now...my crit eclair full of mushrooms and tails only got me to basic 5
>>58104003If you have any E4E healer you'll be fine.Despite the helping speed penalty, the skill week bonus will offset that, my Wiggly has triggered 3 times since breakfast.Master 3 at Expert GG needs 2.5m, which is a challenge with 0% area bonus, and heavily depends on your roll luck.I think I may be able to manage it this week, I have a Sneasel incense waiting for me if I succeed.Looking at the map info on Raenonx, it looks like Expert GG adds a lot of 3 star sleep styles you wouldn't find on regular GG.It also unlocks legendary encounters as early as Ultra 3 and 4, just 1.3m / 1.5m strength.https://pks.raenonx.cc/en/map/10001
Oh and right, there's Toxel and Toxtricity, our new Pokémon.The Amped and Low Key forms count as separate Pokémon with unique main skills and sleep styles, much like the Alolan and Paldean variants we've had.Their ingredients are Milk / Apples / Leeks, and they're Poison-type skill specialists.Toxel has Ingredient Magnet S.Toxtricity-A has Plus (Ingredient Magnet S), boosted effect is extra ingredients.Toxtricity-LK has Minus (Cooking Power-Up S), boosted effect is energising cheer.They function the same as Plusle and Minun, it should also mean you can pair any four of these Pokémon in any combination to get boosted effects.
>>58104081I have favorite berry pokemon, but none of the best recipes I have use favorite berry pokemon. At all. Is it better to just go with a berry/berry burst team or is it worth it to use nonberry ingredient pokemon?
>>58104116That's the core issue with expert mode.Viable ingredient farmers and skill specialists usually ignore favorite berries because that's not their role.You can still run those ingredient gatherers but they'll be at a 15% helping frequency penalty. If any of your berry specialists happen to have Helping Bonus, they'll help offset that.What this ultimately means is that it's even more important that your ingredient specialists have a maximal gathering rate.If a given gatherer was expected to gather say, 50 coffee a day, they'd be down to 35 coffee per day.However, if you get the effect where your three favourites gather +1 ingredient (sometimes +2 if they're ingredient specialists), this might be enough to help make other recipes possible, or at least fill the pot.Adaptability is the key here and we'll be examining helpers from new angles because of these changes.
>>58101731>Dark/Electric/Normal>caught a +skill Plusle to run with my Minun last nightPerhaps there is some hope
>get dozing for all 3 nights of good sleep dayThanks for wasting my whole week I guess. At least I got a good expert roll with Ghost/Ground/Grass and Salads.
>>58104250You just described the entire point of expert mode. Guess it's an issue that you have to actually strategize and not just use the same Pokemon every time like usual.
>>58104401I would maybe call it a retroactive balancing issue.Old strategies are less viable, and priorities in which Pokémon to befriend will shift so you can fill gaps in types. Honestly, that's a good thing.It won't change that Wobbuffet is shit and a waste of your time, but more Pokémon are worth a look now.The real challenge is in the new investment costs. That's a ton of things to get up to speed, I've currently got 9 Pokémon at level 60+ and expect my Meganium to be my 10th at the end of the week (so it can unlock leeks).It presents a very clear benefit for this week and future Lapis Lakeside visits.Also I gotta say I love the expert ingredients effect on my ABC BFS Victreebel. It's gathering very viable amounts of tomatoes, and great amounts of potatoes and leeks. This is a great example of re-examining helpers from new angles and adapting.
I just said fuck it, but looks like the rolls aren't too bad. I just don't have that much ingredient variety, so I'll have to sack some gathering power... If only I had a good Mr. Mime. I think it's still going to be difficult for me to reach Master 1, let alone Master 3.
>>58104571>It won't change that Wobbuffet is shit and a waste of your timetfw he is my best performer because he has skill level up M at level 10
>>58096967>successornah don't think so, they'll just integrate more smartwatches to sync datathere's some japan sellers on ebay but the prices are a bit expensive
>boosted skill rate>Ampharos that procs 6x a day without fail has only procced onceReeeeeee
Useable shiny?
I wonder if we'll ever get an item to swap our pokemon's type to its secondary, i.e. fairy -> normal wigglytuff. It would help out in times where certain types are underrepresented.>inb4 they add it as teratype
>>58104714You got water berries, if you have Vaporeon you'll actually do pretty well this week.
>>58105369Very usable, great for when you need to stockpile apples.Helping Bonus at 50 is a boon, too.The nature is irrelevant, but just getting it to 30 is a good start.
I'm basically on track to do a little over 1 million by the end of the week. I'm gonna lose out on 30x Toxel candies and my weekly Master 3 incense (Comfey).
>>58105639I'm at 243k just before bedtime, using a GCT.I'll be lucky if I hit 2m, let alone 2.5m. Too much hinges on Sunday crits, I can make two Apple Acid Salads but it's still only level recipe 24.Getting that expert bonus raised up will make Master 3 more manageable in the future, but these first few weeks will be painful.I have a Sneasel incense on the line, I'll use helper whistles if I have to.By the way, Expert GG has new achievements, there's still 10 achievements like the others but they're spread out a bit differently. >Great 1 - x3 Handy Candy S>Ultra 1 - x2 Poké Biscuit>Ultra 4 - x1 Dream Cluster M>Master 2 - x1 Handy Candy M>Master 5 - x1 Great Biscuit>Master 8 - x2 Dream Cluster M>Master 11 - x2 Handy Candy M>Master 14 - x1 Ultra Biscuit>Master 17 - x1 Sub Skill Seed>Master 20 - x1 Main Skill Seed
>>58105783Yeah I'm not doing too well either. Gonna have to do some more leveling up before i try this again
Good night. Lots of shinies for everyone
>>58104116>none of the best recipes I have use favorite berry pokemon>>58104250>ingredient farmers usually ignore favorite berries>Adaptability is the key here>>58104571>Old strategies are less viable, and priorities in which Pokémon to befriend will shift so you can fill gaps in types. Honestly, that's a good thing>I love the expert ingredients effect on my ABC BFS Victreebel. It's gathering very viable amounts of tomatoes, and great amounts of potatoes and leeksthe mono ingredient pokemon you've been relying on to make dishes while ignoring berries and variety aren't good in expert mode?
>>58106364A lot of your strength is really just from the area (or Expert) bonus. You'll just have to rough it for a while, because even with some decent farmers and favored berries, it's unlikely you'll get very far consistently. You need over half the roster with viable rolls just to avoid being an utter failure, not to mention BFS becoming very important on mostly everything.
>>58106911ABCs are STILL trashyou're not guaranteed the ingredient effect when you camp on gg ex. Even if you match the berry to your ABC that means absolutely nothing if you have ABC victreebel and got desserts. Even if you got curry or salads, ABC will STILL be less dependable than a mono or aab ingredient pokemon that gives you the ingredients you need for the best recipes every time they get ingredients. Who gives a shit if your abc charizard is the favorite berry when you're trying to make the cut curry and you're getting all ginger and fiery herb and absolutely 0 of the 27 meat you need?Not to mention your abcs are still useless on normal islands, and if the future EX islands are fixed berry, then ABCs will be just as useless as they are now. What the introduction of EX islands actually means is that the devs can infinitely milk new pokemon introductions. Now a grass type ingredient pokemon that is mono tomato is worth raising even if you have a good tomato pokemon already.
My ampharos is triggering less than without the boost
I'm regretting going to Expert GG. Definitely could have utilized the event spawns to actually build something that could help a bit more in future, rather than waste the boosts on low quality and quantity spawns. Expert mode is definitely a filler for dead weeks.
>>58108304you should just ticket out, then. No point in staying if it's a waste of time.
>>58108349You have to weather the expert map to build up the expert bonus, so really I'd just tough it out.>>58107723I wouldn't go as far as to call ABCs trash, it depends on their spread.ABC Victreebel is strong for salad weeks, and decent for curry weeks, but useless for desserts weeks as you say.However, it ends up being surprisingly strong when your expert effect gives extra ingredients.It would allow me to alternate between Ninja Salads and Greengrass Salads, if I had an oil farmer worth a damn. I can make up Ninja Salads no problem though.ABA tends to universally be the worst possible ingredient spread.ABB, AAB, and AAC can have their places, whilst AAA is obviously preferable for stockpiling one single ingredient.
>>58108349Given the inevitability of having to struggle through 0% bonus and having already spent the ticket to do so, I'm just going to stay. I was lucky enough to get a berry set that I could actually deploy a decent team for, so it's basically as good as it'll get at this point. I just know that I won't hop over to Expert for anything but a dead week while I continue trying to build up proper teams.
you know, exp overflow gives you candies for berry pokemonmeal exp overflow should give you meal tickets or shards or something, being stuck at 65 sucks
>>58109158Yeah that feels awful
>bug normal grass expert modeyeah this is a great 3 type of week
>>58109158Simply raise every meal to 65.
>>58109158Those EXP overflow candies can be used for any Pokémon, not just berry specialists.But yeah wasted meal EXP feels bad, especially when I cook my Clodsire Éclairs and they can't get stronger.At the very least, overflow should possibly give slightly bonus strength gains, or maybe some concept of "candies for recipes" so you can boost the recipe level without actually cooking it.That'd be very useful for my Apple Acid Salads, which are still only level 24 because I've only cooked it like once or twice.>>58109232Grass can at least work if you've prepared for Lapis Lakeside.Meganium, Victreebel, Venusaur, now also Sceptile.
>>58109606I forgot bewear is even in the game, I haven't seen a stufful since the week it was introduced.
kek, this list for the upcoming "Triple Type Week" seems antithetical to there being a boost to any species at all. Hard to tell where might have the mot spawns I'm looking for. Of course given the almost entirely non-specific boosts, it might be worth just leaning into which balanced spawns you want.>>58109737It's only on Lapis, plus it's Slumbering and I feel like I always got TONS of Quaxly line spawns over anything else. Hell, Quaxly is my second highest quantity individual candies I have at 2,041x. Ironically I've seen about the same number of Dratini/Ralts/Stufful, but even though my baseline is generally Slumbering, it's hard to tell the overall rate.
>>58109811seems like you either pick your weakest type and try to boost it at cyan/taupe/ogpp, or you go gg and get everything
>>58109811It's not all that antithetical when you break it down by map.You take either version of GG for most variety.You take Cyan, Taupe, or OGPP for Water, Fire, or Electric respectively.Going to Snowdrop or Lapis is a waste of time due to low availability.No single Pokémon is available at every single map, either.Whichever island you pick, your priority can be either to try and build up a team for the upcoming Raikou + Entei + Suicune event, or you can try to discover sleep styles you're still missing.I'm likely to go to OGPP because I really, really need a good Shinx.
>>58110304Same list ordered by natdex number.Also keep in mind that a lot of 3 star sleep styles aren't available at Greengrass. Check your maps in the app itself to see which sleep styles you're missing for any given island, if your focus is new sleep styles.
>>58110304i only have cyan unlocked, should i go there in preparation for suicune?
>>58110317Might as well, if you're that early in the game you probably still have a low area bonus for Greengrass.An effective Cyan Beach team will want stuff like Feraligatr, Blastoise, Vaporeon, and Golduck, though the latter two need main skill seed investment and really good subskill spreads to justify doing that.The Mudkip and Quaxly lines change from being water types after evolving, so they're not used for Suicune teams.Quagsire can be an excellent mushroom farmer, but it's a very slow helper. Suicune's helper boost ignores helping speed so that is something to consider.Don't be fooled by the Slowpoke family's ability to gather Slowpoke Tails, the strongest ingredient in the game.It's only used in two recipes that have been rapidly obsoleted by newer stronger recipes, and the time spent farming tails from Slowbro or Slowking puts you in a strength gains deficit for the current week.The usual strategy is to find an EXP gains+ nature Slowpoke or Slowbro, and level it up to 30 so it can unlock Slowpoke Tails as an ingredient. This makes it available for Ingredient Magnet or Ingredient Tickets in the future.Wigglytuff or Sylveon are also great for Cyan Beach, since they gather fairy type berries, which are the CB favorites alongside water and flying.Helper Boost teams generally perform better with 4 matching types and an E4E healer, than 5 matching types.Raikou teams have Pawmot though, so they can do both.
>>58110307unless it's like your first few weeks of the game, it is probably worth it to somewhat avoid greengrass island. events will usually take you back there>>58110331final stage evolutions changing types, nor being used in suicune teams, are not a particularly relevant downsides for a new player. In fact, mudkip going from water to ground is basically god tier for the progression from cyan beach to taupe hollow. level up a nice mudkip and swampert it when you switch to taupe and that's hugelikewise with quaxly, a good one can do work for a new player now, as well as later on snowdrop
>>58110331thanks for the tip. i'll go back to CB after this week to prepare, my water mons are... not good. area bonus is 30% both on gg and cb.
>>58110366Actually, yeah very true. You need to at these things beyond the lens of being helpful for an immediate legendary event. Quaquaval is a top farmer for beans and leeks, and also a great fit for Lapis Lakeside.The Suicune event is a lot more immediate however, so you might want to prioritise water types for that, especially since it's the earliest non-GG island. You can also use Pokémon as water types before they fully evolve, Quaquaval and Mudkip can be parts of a Suicune team interim. Much like how I was using Larvitar and Pupitar on Taupe Hollow, then once it's evolved to Tyranitar it's a Snowdrop Tundra helper.
>>58110437>Quaquava is a great fit for Lapis Lakesidewhy did i think quaquaval turned to dark type lol
I need an excellent ginger farmerwhat are my options?is tyranitar the only good ginger farmer?
>>58110504Tyranitar is the best by a good amount, but Kangaskhan and an ABB Charizard are decent as well.Raenonx lists a base Ttar as producing 83 Gingers per day, whereas Kangaskhan does 66 and Charizard 60.
t-thanks...
>No toxel last night>3 this morning, used incense >Shiny it's unfortunately shit, but the regular one at least had a skill trigger and speed sub
>>58110850Yeah, me too
Simple comparisons versus Plusle and Minun.Toxtricity is a lot slower than their skill counterparts, but they have higher trigger rates, leading to marginally higher average activations per day. But with the way that Plus works, Toxtricity's overall power is actually a bit lower since half of its skill triggers will be providing Milk over Coffee. And since both Toxtricity forms have the same ingredients, running both is a little less viable.In the broad sense Toxtricity vs Plusle & Minun are functionally the same with the tradeoff of 10-point captures vs having to evolve Toxel. However, I think in practice, Toxtricity is markedly worse overall.
>>58110904That's identical to what I got
What should I be spending my diamonds on early game?I can upgrade my ingredient inventory but what amount is good to stop at?Just got a Vaporeon that is maxing out my ingredients constantly.
>>58111470>what amount is good to stop at?if your pokemon are keeping you consistently topped off, then keep increasing it until you outpace them with cooking.
>>58111470Ingredients > Item Bag > Pokémon StorageYour overall ingredient gathering and consumption will fluctuate over time as you keep upgrading the cooking pot, and improving your roster.The current maximums are 700 ingredients, 1000 items, 1200 Pokémon, 69 cooking pot size, level 65 for Pokémon and Recipes.The Sunday bonus multiplies your cooking pot size 1.5x rounded up, so 69 becomes 104, which is exactly enough for the current largest dish in the game.Hitting 700 ingredient space ASAP is recommended because it lets you stockpile ingredients for days where you're suddenly at a gathering deficit, especially if there's an event that boosts the cooking pot size, or if you're using a Good Camp Ticket.Item bag upgrades are mostly so you can hoard Dream Clusters, you're encouraged to hold onto them for as long as possible as their value increases with your research rank. Ideally, you only use clusters when you absolutely need to, but the ultimate payout would be to reach research rank 100 and cash in.You can also hoard Handy Candy, but that's less of a burden because you can use them pretty regularly for mini-candy boost events.Pokémon storage isn't strictly necessary, it just lets you hoard Pokémon that might turn out to be salvageable in a future update, like how neutralising mints turned some bad rolls viable.Transferring a Pokémon gives you some candies for that species. It's also nice if you want to do living dex, for whatever reason.I don't have much use for diamonds outside of storage upgrades, so I've been hoarding whatever I befriend for the possibility of a game update where your inactive collection in boxes can somehow contribute to game progress (think like Poké Pelago from Sun and Moon). I also wonder if Pokémon Home integration might happen one day, since Sleep has enough basis for transfers to be feasible. It's got genders and natures, and subskills could be interpreted as IVs or move sets or something.
How're all the gg ex people doing after dinner today? I'm barely at ultra 2.
>>58111470>>58111732By the way, there are overflow mechanics.Pokémon at max level, when earning sleep EXP puts that into an bonus candy gauge. Every 500 overflow EXP is converted to 1 Handy Candy S, which gives you three candies worth 75 EXP (before natures and bonuses like mini-candy boost).It prevents a total loss of EXP gains when you're sleeping with Pokémon at their max level, but there are good reasons to sleep with your best performers so you can prioritise strength gains overnight, maximise skill triggers in the morning, etc.When you hit max research rank, all research EXP gained is converted 1:1 to dream shards instead. This can pretty drastically increase your earnings so trying to hit max rank ASAP is beneficial.For the non-expert maps, there's area bonus overflow, too.When a given map is at maximum area bonus (your maximum progresses when you hit sleep dex goals), earned area bonus at the end of the week gets distributed to the other maps you've currently unlocked.This is useful if you want to continue to focus on a certain map, and avoid suffering low performance at a new island.Back to Sleep and Research EXP, there are Pokémon gold subskills that boost their effect.Sleep EXP Bonus gives +14% to Sleep EXP, Research EXP Bonus gives +9%. These stack linearly for each member of your team with these bonuses when sleeping, so up to + 70% Sleep Exp, +45% Research EXP, and they stack atop of event or incense bonuses.Some Pokémon natures increase or decrease the final amount of Sleep EXP they receive by 16%, as well as other sources of EXP like candies.If you can put together a decent team with 5 Research EXP Bonus, this is a good team for an end-of-week sleep where you have maximum Research EXP gains. Sunday sleeps are about cashing out your week's strength gain efforts with peak Drowsy Power.>>58111864About 0.97m at end of Wednesday night. I'll hit Ultra 1 by morning. I'm not doing as great as I'd hoped, but I might hit 2.5m yet.
>>58111864Terrible, I'm busy shy of Great 4 after Wednesday dinner. My rolls were pretty bad so I'm relying on my skill mons to try and pull through. I think I should make it to 2M strength but that's about it.Honestly I don't even really mind, I'm content with just increasing the area bonus and just getting whatever crappy spawns show up. It's not like I was getting what I wanted on OGPP/Tundra anyway.
I just realized that you can now field a poison team. And it's terrible.
>>58112015Amber Canyon is almost certainly going to focus on dragons and maybe Vikavolt.Expert Amber Canyon but poison type is your primary berry would be pain.
>>58111075>vs having to evolve ToxelWhich is actually an advantage since you get a skill level from it.
>>58112653True, though I suppose I should have mentioned the real annoying part would be trying to get one with the right nature. Wonder what happens if you use a neutralizing seed on a Toxicity. Would it care? Or would it only select from compatible natures?
>>58111864I'm at great 2. I'm favoured by ghost berries but ingredient picking for desserts is a challenge. I have no issues hitting master by now on regular islands so it certainly is much harder than I expected. I regret picking ex mode for this event
>>58111075One thing you haven't mentioned but is worth noting is Inventory Size and overnight triggers.16 is fucking nothing and guarantees that if you sleep with Plusle/Minun you will wake up with 0 or 1 trigger an infuriating amount of times.Heck, I have a Pawmot with 31 inventory size and I stopped sleeping with him because even with that he was waking up with only 1 trigger more often than I'd like.Meanwhile, not only do the Toxs have higher inventory size, being slower with higher skill% is much better for waking up with 2 triggers.Now of course that is only relevant if you plan on sleeping with them. Personally I wouldn't use any of these 4 in a sleep session.
>>58111864Going to sleep at Great 4. I got a fairly generous berry set even if my top Pokemon for those types aren't in my main team; they're about level 50, including 2 berry finders with BFS- none with the actual main berry though.>>58112880If it's any consolation, Toxtricity isn't that great at the moment.
>>58112833Neutralizing mints do not actually change your nature, it stays what it was, just loses its effect.
>>58112015>>58112037Butterfree will also probably be a good fit there too, Ingredient Magnet and the newer recipes that rely on honey as a base ingredient.
>Pawmot triggers once in the whole day
>Pawmot triggers 6 times in 3 hours.
>Pawmot hides on the right side of the screen so I have to spend a minute looking for it
>Third day in a row of getting a skill specialist with a skill down nature
>my game only crashes during events>this event is no exceptionSo fucking tired of this
An amazing skill week so far. Truly.
>>58114200>MurkrowI'm so jelly.
>>58114093thank goodness skill week has let my wigglytuff trigger 5 times and I'm crawling everyone but Aggron out of exhaustion
>>58115379My Wiggly's been proccing so often that I've actually had to swap it out to avoid wasted gains.Letting my Dedenne take the reigns occasionally to get some extra tasty chances in. I think 3 or 4 of my 12 meals so far have crit?
>>58114699No hungry, no feed.
Seems like we've been having a lot of candy boost events recently, not that I actually mind for once. I actually managed a usable Blaziken, Crocalor (might be worth saving as a Fire-type now), and Cacao Blastoise which have all been boosted up to a usable minimum. Also a good opportunity to boost some candies into Legendaries if you have a decent one. Or Darkrai even if you don't, since you only get one.
What should I turn this guy into? I have an Espeon but it's not this good. I have a killer Gardevoir and Pawmot so i don't think Sylveon is worth it
>>58116427expert mode would make sylveon worth it, if you don't have a good wigglytuff. though I'd probably try to find a good wigglytuff, keep that and evolve it into a berry i'm weak in (for me, ice/grass/fire) when the time comes
I know it's skill week, but I was really hoping to see better stuff than meowth and mareep all week long
>>58117341I can relate, I've been at OGPP hoping to find a dedenne but I haven't seen one so far
Is the 10% Helping Speed increase for the favorite berry type on Expert affected by the 35% cap? I know natures don't count towards it, so it would be nice if this didn't either.
>>58117739The helping speed cap only applies for subskills.
>>58117832Due to how the helping speed cap works, a helper with Helping Speed M+S on a team with three Helping Bonus should hit that 35% cap, but a supposed team of five Helping Bonus would not alleviate that 15% Expert Mode nerf since it's an "Event Bonus" that comes after Team Stats calculations.Like I have my Gengar on mushroom farming duty, level 63 with Helping Speed M, has an individual helping frequency of 27m37s.On my current team with 1x Helping Bonus, it has a helping frequency of 26m00s, it should be slower than 28m due to the 15% Expert Mode nerf.Though keep in mind these figures represent a Pokémon with <20% energy. At peak performance, Pokémon are 2.22x faster, so it's more like gathering helpings every 13 minutes or so.
>>58116577I'll try that. It will take me a while to get there anyway
>>58116427Almost anything really. Since you already have an Espeon and probably don't need a Sylveon, Flareon or Glaceon might be good choices. A Vaporeon would probably appreciate more inventory space though.Umbreon is like bottom barrel, Leafeon is trumped by much more useful Grass types, but Jolteon is also OK just because of its speed.
I'm revising my end-of-week estimate. I initially thought I would barely be over 1 mil, but I'm probably on track to each around 1.8m; Ultra 5 or Master 1 on a longer shot.
its lookin like i wont make m20 on lapis, but at least ive leveled clodsire eclaires a lot. between this week and the next candy boost event, i might get my togekiss to level 50, unlocking skill trigger S
I still haven't seen a Toxel on Expert Greengrass, but my Sleep research has been getting shards at equivalent or better amounts for the same time spent as other islands despite my lower score. Still haven't got 8 spawns yet though. Maybe that will change in the morning.
With mini-candy boost this week I got my BFS+HB ABC Meganium to level 60, and unlocked leeks.That's my 10th Pokémon to hit level 60 now.>>58119506I've managed 1.8m by Saturday lunchtime.I'll need to get very lucky with extra tasty crits on Sunday to stand a chance of 2.5m for Master 3.>>58120294The 1M strength jump from 4.1m to 5.2m for M20 at Lapis Lakeside is harsh. A bare-minimum M19 is my best at Lapis Lakeside.Clodsire Éclairs are surprisingly easy to get to level 65 though, if you've got an extra tasty setup.>>58120751I think I've seen at least 6 Toxel spawns this event at Expert GG, no incense used yet.But yeah the "increased candies and dream shards from sleep research" is one of the advertised bonuses for going to Expert Greengrass. The shards part is true but the candies part I'm not sure. You do get more candies from weekly research based on the types of berries you need, but that's not sleep research.
This is the first event where I've encountered multiple event pokemon without incense. I'm up to my 4th toxel and have not used a single incense
>>58121550I'm curious if that's just the event spawns being particular good, or balanced to favor Expert GG over other maps, or just the inherent trait of Expert maps having better Drowsy Power outcomes.Once you surpass Ultra 4 at Expert GG, you can get 1 star Raikou, Entei, Suicune, and Cresselia spawns. I'd love to see if I might get one tonight or tomorrow, but I doubt it.I'd to see the numbers for natural Toxel spawns for all maps to see how they stack up.
>>58120751Yep, at 1.2m on Ultra 2, I finally got 8 spawns. All 1*. And saw my first Toxel, though it got full at 2 biscuits.
>>58121727Nope not even on expert mode. Just sitting at power plant
>>58121550Even Treecko/Mudkip/Torchic?The past few aside from those have been single-stagers which are just harder to come by. And I think one of them we didn't even get mixed spawns for.
>2 shiny toxel this week>neither is usableSounds about right
Post your non-shit shinies
>>58124771
>>58124771I don't remember how to post more than one at a time. I only have a few, but still.
>>58124895I just use a photo-stitching/collage app.
>>58124771I still haven't really used Blurple for anything, but when I do spend time on snowdrop you know it'll be there.>sleep this morning got disrupted around 4AM, app has to restart>sleep session ruinedfun times. Deddenne never this week
>>58125097Myself I Bluetooth my screenshots over to my PC and just collage them in Photoshop, pic related.
Looks like I'll hit Master 3 after all.
>>58126604You will not crit
>>58126805It's 100% chance.10% base chance + 70% skills + 20% end-of-week.
>>58126836You will not crit
>>58126895Hey would you look at that
>>58126863These are all really good.Are you actually considering that Eevee for an Umbreon, though? I guess it does only have a single skill trigger boost going for it until 100.
>>58127075Yes, but only if they buff Umbreon again to be usable or rework how energy overflow works.I could evolve it into something else, but desu I'm just not that interested in Eeveelutions since>VaporeonI prefer actual Ing specialists or Tox duo>EspeonAlready have Ampharos, that Golduck, and a Drifblim>SylveonAlready have a Pawmot, and a good Ralts on the bench in case I need another E4E.>Flareon / GlaceonI don't find myself needing their skill much, and I just caught a good Tox duo in case I need that.>Leafonlol>JolteonAlready have that Raichu + a second even better one.So yeah, I'm in no hurry to raise an Eevee since I don't really need one outside of some niche cases or small Expert mode bonuses. Umbreon at least looks interesting gameplay wise and I like his shiny coloration, he just needs another buff/rework.
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>>58124771Kinda mixed on the ingredient spread. It's pretty damn good for its own Eclair but not much so for the rest.Ironically I already have an ABB Blastoise and Aggron, both with excellent subskills, so I end up almost never even using Clodsire here, despite how good it is.I also have a AAA shiny Blastoise with HSM and Ing Finder S (upgradeable) who I do run pretty often. I think I might even start going to Cyan a bit because I'm always low on candies for it so it hasn't reached 60 yet.
>>58126604Dang, did you use a GCT or are you just that goated?For me, I ended up only hitting 1.6m, got some pretty trash berries, but honestly I don't mind it at all. I'll just keep on at it getting my area bonus up.
>>58128853It was a GCT, and a good roll on the berries. Expert effect was extra ingredientsDark / Grass / Fighting with Salads, so it was basically my Lapis Lakeside team, but with Tyranitar bringing me berries and lots of ginger and beans needed for Ninja Salads.The skill week bonus allowed my skill specialists like Wigglytuff and Dedenne to perform just fine despite the 15% helping speed nerf.It got me thinking that for future Expert GG visits, that just using my strongest berry specialists might be preferable over the favorite berries if I get really bad rolls. Level 60+ berry specialists with a 15% speed nerf will probably perform better than level 30 or 40 berry specialists.Another thought I had was that you can't really afford to reroll expert berries. Doing so eats one of your limited supply of expert tickets, and therefore slows down your Expert bonus gains per month.
>>58130041>just using my strongest berry specialists might be preferable over the favorite berriesis this going to be your plan long term though? surely you can't forgo all your chances for your weak berries to become not weakthe best time to raise them up is probably now when you have no expert mode bonus to really push for higher levels
>>58130041>>58131017Level 50 non-favored berry farmer is already only equivalent to a level 30 favored one. A 15% speed nerf is a pretty hard to hit any gatherer, so that 15% could bump the difference all the way up to level 60. Not to mention the bonus is 2.4x instead of the regular 2.0x
>>58131306Actually, I didn't realize that 2.4x berry power is one of the randomized Expert bonuses. It's still 2.0x unless you roll that bonus, but everything that's not favored is still debuffed by 15%.Here is an example of Grass being sub-favored vs a non-favored type. If Grass were main-favored, it would be a 25% gathering difference!
Was kina hesitant to try Expert GG, but I guess an off week is as good a time as any. I got three fucking shinies at OGPP this week, but unfortunately none are usable.
Was very reluctant, but then I got Grass main berries and water/rock sub at expert. My body is ready
>>58131017No, definitely not long term. It's just a "roll with it" strategy for whilst I raise up the expert bonus at Expert GG, and scout out new helpers for a diversified roster.It's like how at my early days at Lapis Lakeside, my level 50+ BFS Raichu was a viable helper whilst I was looking for a good Meganium, and got good stuff like BFS Bewear and Victreebel.I went Expert GG again this week just to work on that expert bonus, but I got another favorable roll. Water / Dragon / Ice with Salads, Expert Skills effect. My Suicune team with Blastoise, Vaporeon, and Feraligatr will shine this week but the recipes I'll be able to make will be at the mercy of Ingredient Magnet rolls.No GCT, so I'm not expecting to hit Master 3 again, but it's only a Treecko incense at stake this time.I'll still need to sleep with my Dragonite and Walrein a couple of nights though, so I can get the candy rewards.>>58131889I hadn't tried calcs yet, but very interesting how drastically the 15% nerf levels the field between level 30s and 60s. The exponential berry strength curve just isn't enough there.Still, it does demonstrate that running your level 60 berry farmers is at least an option if you are lacking in favorite berries.
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So I got this the other dayif I could level it up it seems better than my current dedennewhat do you guys think
>>58132565looks pretty good, if youre tired of the hunt you could get it to 65 and have it ready to level up when 75 is unlocked. it would take a year or so to get up there anyway
>>58132565Level 75 is a long ways off, but it would, eventually, be a high-tier Dedenne. My Dedenne is in a similar situation, though with more favorable subskill ordering.BFS is also better suited to a Raikou team, if I can ever get a worthwhile Raikou.
Got to M5 for my first Expert Week. No GCT/Whistles, but I did get a really good type roll(Ghost/Ground/Grass with Salads) so I probably won't be able to hit it again for a while.
despite getting to master 3 on gg ex I didn't see a single thing that was any better than what I'd get from M15+ on any other island.
>>58131914Yeah, Rolled Poison with secondaries being Psychic and Dark. Fuck that. I'll work on more teambuilding before trying again.Also got FOUR shinies this past week, completely nuts. I just wish one had been usable.
Ey, finally.
>>58133423Huzzah, more peeps finally hitting rank 65.I hit it, a couple weeks ago now, I think? I was setting research EXP boosting teams on Sundays to speed it along.
Somehow, I have a team for this... not that I'm expecting to go very far at all this week.
Good enough pawmi? Wanted to hold out for helping bonus
>>58134104>has skill up nature>access to Skill Trigger M, but requires a Subskill Seed>no other worthwhile skillsI'd wait for at the very least a natural Skill Trigger M. If not that, then some other beneficial skill that would justify investing a Subskill Seed since you need to dump the Main Skill Seeds into too.
>last 3 pawmis have all been calm natured and not terribleinteresting... witch one would be the best one?
>>58134651the first one, no questions asked
>>58134651>>58135149Not terrible, but not particularly good either. First is fine for berry power, but you really want your E4E battery popping off as often as possible to make it worth running. And since you have to put seeds into them, my requirements for skill types are higher than the other two. >>58134405
is this a keeper for now? feels like i'd rather keep this one and focus on a good mudkip instead
Do you think we'll get a better oil option sometime? I hate salad week from not having a usable toxicroak. I hear ABB luxray is good but again, I don't have a good one.
>>58137370Mawile is pretty good, it's just really hard to find one, let alone befriend one, let alone find and befriend a usable one
>>58137372adding, there's also cramorant, who has the benefit of having extra tasty
>>58136813You really need the nature. It will work for now but I wouldn't put too much into it
>>58137789is an ingredient nature that much better than speed?
>>58137835nta but yes, since it doesn't matter how fast you are if you don't drop any fucking ingredients (looks at meowscarada)
Expert GG with Water berries and Expert Skill effect has been weird so far.Barely any skill triggers yesterday, but my Suicune has been on fire today with at least 5 skill triggers.My Wigglytuff only triggered once yesterday, so I decided to swap out for my Pawmot which has a faster helping speed and should perform better under a 15% helping speed penalty>>58137835It can vary depending on the individual Pokémon's base helping frequency, and base helping speed. The slower the helper, the more impactful Helping Speed boosts (and penalties) become.The greater the base ingredient finding rate, the more impactful Ingredient Finder boosts become.However, with equal subskills, for raw ingredient counts the Ingredient Finding nature is always stronger than the Helping Speed nature (ignoring natures that reduce either of these).The Helping Speed nature however is preferable if they have BFS, and due to the Expert Mode meta shift you may prefer Helping Speed overall for when you call in a mono-ingredient farmer.This is also why I noticed that Gengar, my BFS mushroom farmer was still doing remarkably well despite the 15% helping speed nerf it had last week.
>>58137370Kinda weird that Oil gatherer quantities are counterbalanced against other things. Power-wise, Oil is a bit weaker than Potatoes, but there are plenty of Potato farmers already. There are actually a decent number of Pokemon that can get Oil too as non-ingredient types, but that's generally not too reliable.Croagunk, Mawile, Cramorant, Ditto are all pure Oil ingredient-types. Then you have Entei, Suicune, Walrein, Banette, Magnezone, Lucario, and Sableye as non-ingredient types that can have full Oil slots. Other options that can get decent amounts are Feraligatr, Drifloon, and Gengar to a degree. Dragonite is also a strong Oil gatherer even with just the one slot at 60.
>>58138559Yeah, Pure Oil is in a weird position where its on the lower end of value and quantities gathered.This chart is outdated, but Oil is in this weird gulf where there's no strong Oil gatherer that can deliver on quantities above the medium average.
Oh shit, I may have finally found it. More help focused than skill trigger, but with two sub seeds raenonx has it in the high 90s>>58138686>>58138559I feel like Cram and Mawile being hard to find, hard to friend mons make it eve worse. It limits you to toxicroak and luxray as common easy to catch mons really
>>58138923A very fast Dedenne, and access to boosted inventory for overnight, this is good especially for how hard Dedenne is to get.
Gotta wonder if it's worth using a Neutralizing Mint. It would make my Butterfree strictly better, but I'm wondering what else I would use one on.
I wonder when we can expect more mints, I already used both.
>>58139530I'd keep it open as an option, since you can only hold two neutralising mints before receiving more.That's definitely worth a subskill seed or two, too, whether it be for Amber Canyon or Expert mode.>>58139538I hope it's not just a once-a-year thing with the flower basket thing they did for the 2nd anniversary.It's one of several event gimmicks they can use in rotation now, though.>Candy Cram-o-matic>Mini / Candy Boost>Festive Flowers>Event Exchanges (Raikou Manes, Cresselia Downs, Dream Coins, etc)>Dream Gifts (basically a daily sign-in bonus)>Global Drowsy PowerSince Dream Gifts and Festive Flowers occupy the same spot next to Snorlax, it's unlikely any single event would feature both of them.Although, they could put the Candy Cram-o-matic next to the camp tent without issue.We're also way overdue an ingredient storage upgrade, but I think that'll probably come around the same time we get new Dex Goals required for the Amber Island unlock, with new cooking pot upgrades alongside it.
Event Areas:• Greengrass Isle, Cyan Beach,Taupe Hollow, Old Gold Power Plant,and Greengrass Isle (Expert).The following effects will trigger in the applicable areas during this event.— All Days —• The Snorlax in the event areas will have Grepa Berries (Electric type), Leppa Berries (Fire type), and Oran Berries (Water type) set as their favorite Berries.• Final Strength gains from dishes will be multiplied by 1.1 (or 2.2 for Extra Tasty dishes or 3.3 for Extra Tasty dishes on Sunday only).• The chance of any Fire-, Water-, or Electric-type helper Pokémon’s main skill being triggered is multiplied by 1.25.• A limited-time Event Exchange will be available.• You can obtain event items through sleep research once per day.• Certain Pokémon will be more likely to appear during sleep research.• A few Pokémon of different sleep types will appear during sleep research regardless of your sleep type for that day.— Week 1 (Sep. 8 to Sep. 14) —• Main skill levels of Fire-, Water-, or Electric-type helper Pokémon will be boosted by 3 when they trigger.— Week 2 (Sep. 15 to Sep. 21) —• Main skill levels of Fire-, Water-, or Electric-type helper Pokémon will be boosted by 5 when they trigger.• A big Snorlax will appear, and it can be raised starting at a certain Strength.— Second Sunday of the Event (Sep. 21) —• Drowsy Power ×1.5>Event Areas:>• Greengrass Isle (Expert).>• If you participate in the event in an expert area, Snorlax’s main favorite Berry for the week will be selected randomly from Leppa Berry (Fire type), Oran Berry (Water type), and Grepa Berry (Electric type), and Snorlax’s sub-favorite Berries will be the remaining two Berries that were not selected.It could be a good opportunity to push Expert, but you'd probably still be giving up earning manes.
>>58140438>Snowdrop getting nothing againI almost ask why it even exists
>>58140438expert would have the expert boosts active, but you'd lose area bonus.i don't think you'd give up that many manes considering the main source of manes is the dogs themselves, and they appear at the same drowsy power level plus you get all 3 dogs at GGE
>>58140495Dogs/Legendaries can give you big chunks in one go, but you've always got the bulk of your manes from standard spawns. And since there was no mention of Expert Mode giving any extra manes per spawn, despite getting the usual increased Research EXP and Dream Shards, you'll be getting struggling against tiers and lower quantity spawns.In previous events, I've gotten like 60-80 manes per day, plus ~10-20 from Community Research, and another 30-60 depending on if you get a dog or not (minus the cost of an incense if you used it).
is this only per event? otherwise it seems somewhat pointless to hunt for a better roll
>>58140943you're not going to get a second default legendary
>>58140943The first legendary of each mon is the same mediocre-average skill spread yeah. It does make the first one a bit pointless, just an obstacle to get past.
>>58140949>>58140950oh, i thought the first one will be random and each consecutive one will be the same as the first. makes more sense now.not sure if i should go to CB or GG since team comp won't matter...
>>58094484why the fuck does anyone bother with this
You mean posting in a general of a game they'll never even try playing? We'll never know.Pokemon Sleep on the other hand encourages some healthy habits
>>58140990It's a passive idle game with gacha and team building mechanics, and incorporates your sleep data whilst encouraging you to improve your sleeping habits.It's fine and the target demographic likes it a lot. It's actually pretty damn big in Japan.
for me its the main way i can still enjoy pokemon, the main games suck these days, im not buying a switch, and ive played through the old games plenty.
>>58140943if you already had a previous raikou which is the default, is the first one you find this event the exact same fixed one that everyone gets? or are the subskills randomw now?
>>58140968Your team will probably be the same during that week, but the spawns in each area are still different. Depends what you need from where. >>58141507The first of every individual "special Pokemon" species on an account is a default roll. Everything past that is randomized like every other Pokemon. That note is just a disclaimer and has been there for every "special Pokemon" event.
>>58141626>Depends what you need from where.everything. i think it's either>go to CB and try to get a good suicuneor>go to GG and just try to unlock whateverbut i have no experience with how often they appear during events like this.
>>58141765Even with the event boosts, you're unlikely to actually encounter a legendary without using an incense. I don't think I've seen a wild spawn during any previous event and I've only seen 2 wild ones over the entire game.
I would like everyone to please join me in shaming this marshmallow for having a full inv up L inventory and not proccing once overnight
>>58142459FAT FUCK
>have aab basedbean leek quaquaval and ditto>struggle to get enough leeks for ninja curry every mealtime>quaquaval finally hits level 60>struggle to get enough basedbeans nowlol
fuck I thought they were gonna release Raikou, Entei, and Suicune once a week. What should someone who started playing pokemon sleep only after Suicune event was over go? I could buy 2 master balls and go to GG to attempt getting a copy of each, but I feel like RNG is gonna rekt me.
>>58142449damn... is it time to use my master ball?>>58142459fat retard
>>58140466It does feel weird, especially since there was a time it was the last island to unlock and now it's just there.I'm hoping once the Amber Canyon hype dies down it'll get some much needed attention closer to the northern hemisphere winter season.
Yeah I’ve hit 20 on both power plant and lakeside but my best on snowdrop is like 14, feels odd
>>58143146But we've had LL and OGPP come after and they get way more love. What could they even do to bring it back?
Snowdrop is just poorly conceived. The theme is pretty extreme, made to fit Ice of course, but there's also Dark and Normal just kinda... in there. And unlike the preceding and proceeding islands, it doesn't feature a main starter type (Grass/Fire/Water). Plus, the Pokemon that reside there have to be able to exist in the cold to some degree (no pun intended), and a half of the Pokemon are really only there as filler since they barely fit thematically.It was also part of the original progression lineup, so it didn't even launch with a set of "chase" Pokemon for each sleep style. I think it might have come with Snover, but Abombasnow isn't even very good. Aside from that, now you have Alolan Vulpix and Slakoth as the only real other exclusives. And among all of those, only Alolan Ninetales is actually that good. Absol, Delibird and Sneasel are also primarily Snowdrop, but those are too rare to count on.Snowdrop needs a rehaul or at least a whole load of exciting Pokemon.
>>58143603Yeah, it needs a fair bit of work. A little bit of everything, really.
>>58143603ill just drop a list of cool pokemon lines that would suit snowdrop well:snoruntswinublaprasregice and regigigas (regi event would be great)amauraporygonmiltanklillipupbunearyzoruadeinopangorothis just comes down to the devs not prioritizing these types
>>58143685>Registeel at OGPP and Regirock at Canyon/HollowCould totally work
>>58143685The number of Ice types that exist at all in Pokemon is surprisingly low, as are Dark types, but there are plenty of Normal types to go around. Not to mention other Pokemon are free to populate the area that aren't favored types, same as other islands. Plus I like when the side-games show some love to some of the less popular lines.For Ice types, I think Swinub has a high chance of showing up, Snorunt medium, and then I kinda like Snom, so I'd like that to show up too.Dark types are a bit harder to fill out, because even though there are more of them than Ice, a lot of them are really just sub-Dark. Both Zorua showing up could make some sense and Deino fits well with my want for a Psuedo on each island. Past that, pickings are a little slim...For Normal, Teddiursa immediately comes to mind. They could also do something interesting with Deerling, either changing Sawsbuck's foliage on each island, or potentially having to catch the different seasons from different areas. I also like Whismur a lot, but that's not very Snowdrop-specific.
>>58142992The only dog event I got to do was Suicune and I didn't come out with a usable one. Of the three, Raikou seems the easiest to build around since it has an E4E of its type, so I might try for it at OGPP.
Stupid cold cat couldn’t proc that extra pot size for the entire day. This triggers me to no end.
>>58143685>>58143949The Regis would absolutely fit there for a future event cycle, and I think a lot of the Pokémon listed would also make sense. Teddiursa was actually one I was wanting added early on that could also crossover with Taupe Hollow when it evolved into Ursaluna. Deerling and Sawsbuck could also be fun additions with the foliage mechanic.Maybe Snowdrop will get some attention closer to Christmas, but at this point it feels like a cope. I was going there for a while in search of a better A-Vulpix to evolve into Ninetales but more incentive to make it worth the time would be nice.
Ok but why
>>58146597I bet it doesn't even activate if you leave it out all day
What are you boys doing to prepare for the dogs?
>honchkrow hit me with 60k shards todaycalm down >>58148440I'm trying to find a perfect bfs growlithe in time, I think it'll be helpful. Besides that I'm leveling up my Pawmot. There aren't really a lot of good water type pokemon right now, Swampert is ground.
>>58148440I'm on Taupe this week because I felt my team needed a bit of attention. I have an Arcanine that will likely come in handy during the event and it's also a chance to invest in a Charmander that will outperform my current Charizard, but the star of the show will probably be my Ampharos.
>>58148440Absolutely nothing. There's very little that you CAN do since all your spawns and rolls are random. You're basically always looking for good Pokemon, but you might only get one in a blue moon regardless of how many Pokemon you can capture.
>>58148440quitting. haven't opened the app since 2 days ago
>>58148996you can't quit sleep anon
>>58146195You can kinda force a decent number of things onto Snowdrop, but the fact that it's commonly excluded from events should make it clear that they need to pay more attention to it. If it weren't directly after Taupe, I would say it could serve as a secondary home for fire types. Or you could do a lot of Ghost types. Right now it's just anything that's fat or fluffy enough to survive in the snow.
>>58148440gg expert bonus up
>>58148440My Entei and Suicune teams are solid. My Raikou team is complete except for an actual Raikou, but I also want a good Shinx so my focus will be OGPP to try to get the tomato farmer I still really need. I can't decide if I should go to standard or expert GG for the beasts event. You have fixed water / fire / electric berries either way, but my GG area bonus is already 75% whilst expert GG would only be 10 or 15% at most? I need to double check scheduling.
>>58150280Or you're Bellsprout. That's one of the ones that's kind of an odd one out.
>>58145357I have a Glaceon that is absolutely dogshit at its job too. I feel like even my speed of help down Magnezone does a better job than it.
>>58150645>>58150840You can only get up to about 20% bonus if you visited Expert mode every available week leading up to the event. And since it will be harder to achieve the strength necessary to get 8x and higher tier spawns, it's probably going to work out better going anywhere in non-Expert mode. Otherwise, you could very well lose out on 100+ manes/materials from your Sleep Research each week.
If its skills were flipped, I'd be tempted to use it... mostly for Expert Mode.
>>58152642Yeah, though the quality of the spawns is also a factor.The "worth" of the spawns translates to exchange samples earned, but the expert GG spawns I've been getting, whilst they're generally more desirable species they're largely limited to 1 star and it's rare that I see an atop-belly sleep.So, yeah just sticking to Greengrass, or maybe Cyan Beach, Taupe Hollow, or Old Gold Power Plant is the way to go, since I can get any of them to very high numbers quite comfortably now.The strength requirements for encountering the legendary beasts is consistent across each island, regardless of ranks.Still, I'll go GG since it'll give a chance to encounter all of the beasts, rather than just one beast like Raikou at OGPP, the one I need most.
I'm loving finally having a dedenne, even if I don't have enough seeds to max his skill. Next stop, a working Oil mon.
Shiny bonuses from events do not stack. GGE is not an event? so maybe it stacks with new moon shiny bonusEither way I got two shinies last sleep with them combined
>>58154965Who said shiny bonuses wouldn't stack? I think it's safe to assume that the non-stacking bonuses only apply to concrete numbers: Dream Shards, Pokemon EXP, Research EXP, Drowsy Power, Main Skill trigger rate, Main Skill level bonuses, bonus ingredient drops, cooking bonuses, and maybe even berry power or helping speed if they ever decide to apply those to regular events.
>>58155208try reading
>>58155249Missed that. Not that any shiny bonus has even really been noticeable at all.
Trying to make Snowdrop more appealing and also make more sense.
>stop using app this week>sleep has dramatically improvedWow, this shitty app not only sucked as a game, it also sucked as a method to reinforce good sleeping patterns.
>>58156543It makes absolutely no sense that Houndour can't spawn at Snowdrop, it really should.
Just grazing a long the right lines... Still a LOT of room for improvement though.
Welp, I guess it's time for my 3rd Raichu. Looks like I'll end up with the 5 Raichu team people memed about early on.they
>>58157728I'm still waiting for a non-shitty BFS Pichu.
>>58158701The only shitty BFS berry specialist is one with a helping speed hindering nature.Letting your berry specialist stay in sneaky snacking mode all week is a viable strategy, as is making it stockpile ingredients by picking up its berries whilst your ingredient bag is full. It lets you have a stash ready for Sunday.This is exactly what my BFS Feraligatr is doing this week, it has like 30+ bean sausages waiting for Defiant Coffee salads on Sunday.I don't have a good egg farmer for the two newer salads that need them together with sausages, so I don't need the sausages during the week.
>>58159171Leveling a BFS Pokemon that essentially only has that extra berry is just a poor investment though. No doubt BFS is necessary, but in practice it feels so awful to have no other functional bonus.
>>58159399Personally, I really like the ingredient finding in my Raichu. At 60 it ends up producing a pretty good amount of apples, which means that I don't need to use an ingredient farmer just for that. I ended up basically retiring my Skeledirge because I'm rarely in need of large quantities of apples.
Man I hate salads, I either don't have enough egg production or enough oil production to make any of the good ones
>>58160375I hate salads irl
pic related is what's in my ingredient bag after my second week of expert mode
>>58161445But there's no picAh, I see
Do you think they'd would ever have any options to influence your spawns outside of sleep style? Anything to see less metapods.
>>58162490What do you mean? Like type incenses? They would probably have to give you at least a couple of said type to be of any worth. Or I guess they could introduce a forced sleep style or just a balanced incense to force all of your spawns one way or another.
>>58162490they need to introduce something at this point, even if I want growlithe my chances are entirely hinged on sleep style and random chancemaybe cheap incense you can buy with candy or something? And just contain it to older pokemon. I never see Bulbasaur anymore, for instance. It'd be a good way to get specific pokemon to show more consistently.Either that or have community days like pokemon go.
Here's the event missions for next week's "Triple Week".7 incenses for 8,000 shards is a bad deal, that's less than one night's sleep with good DP.Oh and Mini Candy Boost is back. I'm gonna boost up a Ralts into Gardevoir, Expert Mode is necessitating that I have more E4E options due to berry rolls or needing to swap out E4E helpers if they get too tired.>>58162490That's basically what your map selection and aiming for high Drowsy Power is for.Going to Expert GG is supposed to be the privilege of limiting the pool of unwanted common spawns. OGPP and LL already do that to a good degree, though.
Got another shiny from darkrai+expert. 3 in 3 days, they really might stack
I'm totally lost on the events and stuff, can anybody give me a calendar or something? The fire/water/electric event starts tomorrow? Then a down week and then it's the legendaries event?
>>58163490>The fire/water/electric event starts tomorrow? Then a down week and then it's the legendaries event?Yes. And the legendary dogs event will last 2 weeks, with the second one having bigger bonuses.
Triple type event bonuses are pretty simple. Just depends where you want to go for spawns. Expert GG actually doesn't look too bad, but you'll probably want more consistent spawns.
I'm only mildly surprised that my Gardevoir kept the team full 90% of the week. While a good Pawmi would be nice, it's definitely lower on the list now.
>>58163963It's OGPP for me, I need Shinx, badly.I don't have any fire or water type chase Pokémon right now.>>58164444A truly top tier Gardevoir, quads don't lie.You're still going to want a good Pawmot though, it's important for electric team compositions and key to the best possible Raikou team.Right now, E4E healer options are limited to Fairy, Psychic, Electric, and Normal, and Blissey is an Ingredient specialist not Skill so it only half-counts.So for Expert GG it's only a 3/18 (1/6) chance of getting a workable healer, if you've got one of each type readied.Hopefully we can get new E4E healers in the future.
>everyone getting gg ex shinies and new moon shinies>haven't gotten shit>still haven't gotten a shiny eevee, even after befriending 110 of themwhy??
>>58165799I haven't gotten a shiny in quite a while either, anon. Hopefully a chance for some nice spawns comes to us soon.I may go to Snowdrop next week just to see if there's a chance I'll be blessed with a usable A-Vulpix for my birthday.
>>58165799>>58165910Despite the bonuses, pretty sure the average is still about 1 per month.
Decided to go to Taupe. Even though I could technically still use a Pichu/Pawmi/Mareep, I think I'll get better use out of the Fire candies and chances at Vulpix and Mudkips. Aside from that, I'm still looking for a Larvitar and Onix/Steelix.
>>58166853Sounds like a solid strategy, more things to aim towards and the prospect of strengthening your current fire team.The legendary event coming up is a pretty unique situation where many players likely already have very good fire, water, and electric teams, and it's a matter of identifying which is their best performer.Alternatively, they might alternate teams because they could produce different sets of ingredients needed to make dishes, or go for different skill synergies like Vaporeon's ingredient magnet, Flareon's cooking pot power-ups, or Dedenne's extra tasty chances.
>>58166866I've spent plenty of time on the island already with hardly anything to show from it. I'm also pretty tired if OGPP because most things of worth there are skill types and I'm not exactly dying for more.
I gotta do some math for next week, and it's probably not even that complicated, but damn, I'm just so lazy.I have a decent Entei with maxed out skills at level 50, and I plan to do the overstacking strat to start the event week with a massive boost. To use alongside Entei, I also have BFS Arcanine, Typhlosion, Charizard and Ninetales.However, my Ninetales is only around level 32, and Charizard will probably gather a ton more ingredients than I could ever use, instead of berries, whereas Arcanine is lv60 and Typhlosion is around 53.On the other hand, I have two level 60 Raichu and a 50-something Feraligatr, all with BFS as well.So the question is, is it worth it taking out one of my weaker fire-types for one of the other options? With 5 fire types, that's x11 per helper each. Assuming I only roll berries, it's 11 from Entei, 33 from Typhlosion and Ninetales, and 22 from Arcanine and Charizard (121).If I put Feraligatr instead of Ninetales, that's x9, so 9+27+27+18+18 (99). It's 22 less berries but those Orans are over twice as strong as the Ninetales' Leppas.And there's also ingredients to consider. Raichu will produce apples which is helpful if I roll desserts, whereas feraligatr produces sausages which I don't really need.That's already a lot of things to think about for a sleeping gacha game lol.
>>58167396I can relate, theres a few specific pokemon I'm looking for from it, and so many things that just make me go "nah"
Well this is puzzling...I've was thinking that since Darkrai probably only wants skill activations and berries (to fill in the gaps between activations), it may actually be better to skip further Ingredient tier unlocks altogether. Just leave its initial ingredient slot and maybe reroll it if you're looking for ingredients other than Sausage. Potentially even skip the level 30 slot if it's possible and only get the level 60 slot if you ever want more ingredients out of it.According to this readout however, it looks like doing that would result in overall less power for only a +0.04 skill activation. It even gets fewer berries, I assume since it doesn't hit the sneaky snacking threshold fast enough and wastes gathers on 2x Ingredients.
>>58169091That's probably just factoring how quickly it fills inventory, since more ingredients means hitting carry capacity earlier.Generally from what I've seen, it's berries > skills >>> ingredients for Darkrai, with BFS and HB being the most important. There's even an argument for not focusing on Darkrai's main skill triggers because of the energy penalty incurred for non-dark types.My Darkrai's level 10 subskill was Helping Speed M, which is great.I've yet to earn a second Eureka Seed, but my priority will be getting good 25 and 50 subskills, re-rolling if necessary if it's shit like Ingredient Finder or Research EXP Bonus.At least bad re-rolls can be refused in exchange for 40 candies.Right now, there isn't a great need for a mono-Dark team. Greengrass means you'll have two other berries to work with, and Snowdrop works fine with Walrein and other stuff like Houndoom or Weavile. Plus it's Snowdrop, who cares.
Just doing some comparisons of my E4E roster. The Expert GG's expert effect is Ingredients as the baseline expert run expectation.My shiny Wigglytuff is the absolute best for skill triggers, but she won't have BFS until 75.Pawmot is great, her helping speed helps to minimise the penalty from Expert mode.The Gardevoir I've decided to invest in is plenty good, I only went for it because of BFS and wasn't sure where else to use one of my two neutralising mints. I'm candy boosting her this week. I really hope we get proper nature mints in the future though because this Gardevoir would shine with a Careful nature.This is just to help get E4E healer options ready for Expert mode in general, like expert Lapis Lakeside will strongly prefer this Gardevoir over the Wiggly or Pawmot.If it's a week where no healer can perform strongly, having substitutes lined up is useful in the event one of them is running too low on energy to perform properly, and I may be able to swap one in with excess banked energy.Really, I was just checking if my Gardevoir investment will be worthwhile, and it should be. It's a third-place healer in a level playing field, but that's now how this game runs.
If I'm hunting for a good growlithe, it's actually better to stay on the lower drowsy power, right? Like just reach the max encounter threshold?
>>58170037To encounter Growlithe at Greengrass, you need Snoozing sleep (or an event bonus), a minimum of 3,118 strength (Basic Rank 2), and 76,000 Drowsy Power.So if you do minimum strength strategy to prevent strength gains, it might be doable, but I've never tried this myself.Raenonx apparently has a spawn appearance maximiser tool, but it's paywalled. I doubt you need it if anyone's got better advice than I do.
>>58170037Spawns are so random that I don't think limiting your power would really be all that effective. Even if you have enough power to spawn stuff like Entei, the rest of that strength still needs to be distributed off to lower tier spawns like Growlithe anyways.
Getting real tired of this bullshit.
>>58169091Looking back at this, I guess it make sense. The only time that ingredients really comes up against inventory are for overnight, and a BFS Darkrai is already normally filling up its inventory with 3x berries per gather. So since getting ingredients doesn't impact its overnight inventory much, leaving the other slots locked just makes its gathering during the day worse.It should noted that for the middle Darkrai, only its initial slot and the level 60 slot are unlocked. This leads to the average actually working out the same as unlocking all of the ingredient slots. But unless you actually want other types of ingredients, it may be more economical to only unlock the level 60 slot. Good luck getting your Darkrai to 60 to make use of it though.
>>58173321That's true for the majority of Darkrai's ingredients, but herbs are the exception.Darkrai gets 2/3/5 herbs, 2+5/2 is 3.5, whilst 2+3+5/3 is 3.3, so it's actually a slight downgrade to unlock three in that scenario.With Darkrai, you're looking at it from a Dark type team composition perspective anyway, so you want it to gather ingredients that the rest of your dark team does not.Too damn many things gather sausages as it is.It also occurs to me that you could just leave Darkrai in sneaky snacking mode, or exploit team changes to destroy its skill trigger, if you want to prioritise team energy over main skill triggers. A good idea if you're strictly running it as a berry and/or ingredient farmer and haven't invested main skill seeds. The strength gains scale with skill level, but the energy penalty is a flat 12 every time.
if i want a good pawmi i should deactivate the lvl 10 gold skill right? are the skill triggers better than helping bonus?
>>58173747>skill triggers better than hbin a way they arehb by itself is no good, you need the triggers to make the pokemon useablebut hb and skill triggers make it god tierhaving the gold guarantee makes it a lot easier to get god tier, with arguably no downside
>>58172491Thank you. I am no longer tired of this bullshit.
>>58173941I'd argue it's a "pick your poison" situation.Guaranteed gold skill is a 2/7 chance to get BFS or HB. Sleep EXP bonus and Skill Level Up M are still nice, or Research EXP Bonus, Dream Shard Bonus, and Energy Recovery Bonus aren't very desirable.Level 10 subskill being guaranteed gold also reduces your overall chances of getting Skill Trigger M + S, especially before level 75.Both BFS and HB are extra relevant for expert mode anyway.BFS lets skill specialists contribute a lot of strength when they gather favorite berries.HB helps to boost up helpers that aren't gathering favorite berries (but you'd need 3xHB to nullify the penalty).This is why I'm not shy about running Pawmot and Dedenne with BFS, it synergizes with Raikou's helper boost.>>58174377That's the good shit, grats.
