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Just out of curiosity can someone explain what's happening in horizons to me?
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>>58190526
I don't watch it but I heard that Charizard guy went into hiding.
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>>58190526
they went to rakua, a special sanctuary or smth, and an alien crystal virus was there and the big bad wanted to use it but he was defeated with the power of friendship. time skip a year and the big bad's subordinates are in control of his company. they frame the main group as the people who blew up rakua (its on a mountain). now we figure out they are making balls with a powderedized version of the alien virus crystal to sell as strength enhancers. also there's a new character named uroto who's only personality trait is that he can use mega evolution and is annoying. there you are caught up
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They recently did a recap video just for you, OP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3FTenLXl5s
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>>58190629
>alien crystal virus
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>>58190699
nah, Deoxys has no role in recent games so they wouldn't be shilling for it now.

The anime doesn't get it's own uniqueness anymore, they just have to shill what's going on in games right away (Mega Dragonite appeared quite literally out of nowhere)
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>>58190629
>the big bad wanted to use it but he was defeated with the power of friendship
He wasn't even defeated, his partner pokemon was fed up with his tantrum and decided to fuck off after playing with the main characters for a while.
At this point, Gibeon probably the most pathetic villain of the franchise.
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This bad guy right here with the name of Spinel? He actually won against the good guys, got them labeled as the bad guys, created his very own gimmick with the Rakurium which was supposed to completely vanish (which didn't worked because Terapagos wasn't buffed enough) and is allowing a testing of it in the public (Which obviously catches on because anyone could have the gimmick which can be used by everyone and is easily available to buy in the event of it entering the shelves in your Pokemarket).

The good guys picked themselves up and fight back but even in the latest episodes is Spinel visible still being actively involved instead of resting on his accomplishments. Easily one of my favorite villains in Pokemon.
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>>58191508
Spinel is cool, hope he goes back to his S1 hairstyle though, it's just better.
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>>58191508
He only able to pull of it because there is no officer Jenny or any law enforcer and everybody in the show has only one braincell now.
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>One year timeskip happened after Liko and co lost (Not much of a timeskip I know but those are baby steps for the anime to open their options)
>One of the underlings of the bad group took over after the boss got over his turboautism and got away with everything, even seperating the trainer with charizard from the main group.
>Upcoming October Arc covers how Roy (Red-haired boy to the right) got the Lucario and how he met Uruto (The green-haired boy).
My current guess is that this might somewhat become the prelude to ZA's storyline because the events of the anime and the events of the games have enough leeway to kick off and co-exist in the anime without running interference with one another.
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>>58191508
Love this guy so much, they actively made sure he's untouchable in every sense of the way. Wish the games with the gangs for "villain groups" had atleast one guy like him.
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>>58190526
So a long time ago there were three adventurers: Lucius, Rystal, and Gibeon. Each one had a legendary Pokemon as their partner: Lucius had a shiny Rayquaza, Rystal had a Terapagos, and Gibeon had a shiny Zygarde. Together they explored the world, and eventually came across an isolated Pokemon paradise that they called Rakua. But at the center of Rakua they found a mysterious pink crystal they called Rakurium which could drive Pokemon mad with power. Gibeon wanted to use the Rakurium, but Lucius disagreed, that shit was too dangerous. They came to blows, and Lucius forced his hand; he had Rystal's Terapagos use its cosmic power to seal away all the Rakurium, with him inside it. Rystal escaped with the dormant Terapagos, and Gibeon escaped with a sample of Rakurium. Many years passed...

Gibeon used the power of the Rakurium to extend his lifespan, and still sought the main host in Rakua, but couldn't break the seal without Terapagos. Meanwhile Rystal passed down the dormant Terapagos to her descendants, until it wound up with Liko, who finally awakened it. Liko joined a group of adventurers called the Rising Volt Tacklers, and met her new friends Roy and Dot on board. Roy's a kid from Kanto who found one of Lucius' Pokeballs, belonging to his Rayquaza. Dot is a livestreamer with a Nidorina costume avatar.

Together they faced off against Gibeon's faction, the Explorers, recovered Lucius' old team, and Rayquaza lead them to Rakua. Terapagos broke the seal, and then the explorers pounced. Lucius was freed from the seal, asking the three kids to face off against Gibeon and his shiny Zygarde. Zygarde got sick of Gibeon's shit and left, and Terapagos purified the Rakurium, obliterating it. Their job complete, Lucius and Gibeon passed on to the afterlife, joining Rystal. But suddenly...
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>>58191559
Gibeon's lieutenant Spinel siezed control of the mission, captured a sample of Rakurium and left. The heroes lost their leader, Professor Friede, who fell off their airship, and Spinel and the Explorers span the story that the Rising Volt Tacklers were a group of evildoers and the Explorers stopped them. The heroes' reputations were ruined, and in sorrow for losing their leader, disbanded.

One year passed. Roy obtained a Mega Ring and a shiny mega Lucario, met up with Liko again, and set off to reunite all the scattered Rising Volt Tacklers so they could face off against the Explorers once more. Roy got a girl-phobic rival called Ult, who has a mega Sableye and a mega Dragonite.

And now here we are. They're facing off against Explorers and other people who are using Rakurium-based powerups (basically the Shadow Pokemon outbreak again), are maybe heading to Blueberry Academy, and are just sort of meandering until ZA comes out. Emma is showing up soon.
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>>58191523
>they actively made sure he's untouchable in every sense of the way.
By dumbing down everybody and erase law enforcement. In fact his entire plan would fall apart if one officer Jenny or Looker gets involve without being nerfed.
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>>58191559
>>58191562
Sounds like a fanfic written by a 12 year old.
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>>58191572
It is an anime-original storyline. The series implies that the games' plot has also taken place already, since Professor Briar has met a Terapagos before meeting Liko's, and Carmine has a Sinistcha, not a Poltchageist.
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>>58191570
>>58191572
>Complete ignorance of Spinel's proactive actions
>ESL
Don't you have to get a job, Fagmon? Seething over an anime not pandering to (You) anymore is extremely petty.
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>>58191562
i respect them for trying to step out of the shadow entirely—clearly, like in every manner and attitude besides a pikachu being present—of the ash anime(s), but damn that sounds extra

also i get it’s the stupid gimmick back in the limelight again soon, but wtf is this “everyone has mega evos and also shiny legendaries” angle, were these children ever given like a growth arc, did they start dumb and bad and inexperienced like ash did (and stayed, too often)? does every bug catcher level scrub have a mega in this continuity?

this sounds like everyone is extremely special tm all the time, it’s a lot more like the movies’ plots, except this is a whole ass series
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>>58191577
>It is an anime-original storyline.
Which written like a fanfic than an actual story

>The series implies that the games' plot has also taken place already
That's just assumption because Game Nemona would not lose to Roy that easily after she crashed Kieran.
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>>58191594
Recommend taking the advice from >>58191589
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>>58191492
I am actually fine with that. I remember more paldean Pokemon than galarian Pokemon because of the episodes featuring the former more.
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>>58191593
>were these children ever given like a growth arc, did they start dumb and bad and inexperienced like ash did (and stayed, too often)?
Oh yeah. They sucked ass when they were first starting out, and their battling styles changed as they gained experience. Liko started off very passive, enraging her Sprigatito, who is bloodthirsty. Roy started off just blindly attacking, then later learned strategies. Dot didn't battle at all, then eventually started when she found things she wanted to do. Liko and Roy learned from each other.

Also all three of them have Tera Orbs (obviously), and I wouldn't be surprised if Liko gets a Mega Ring too for some new mega.
Liko currently has
>Meowscarada
>Hattrem
>Terapagos
>Charcadet

Roy currently has
>Crocalor
>Kilowattrel
>Shiny Lucario
And he's also traveling with Friede's Pikachu.

Dot has
>Quaxwell
>Tinkatuff
>Gimmighoul
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>>58191612
I feel like the power progression for the most part was handled well, except Roy getting a shiny Mega Lucario off screen
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>>58191627
They're gonna hop into that backstory in October soon. Gonna be taking it with a grain of salt with how it goes but them utilising the storytelling from the 18th episode is a decent idea to switch things up on captures and the sorts.
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>>58191612
gotcha, that’s word

i was here thinking basically everyone, even the kids in the main party, were running around spamming megas like fuckass gen 6 itself

it does still sound like the gimmick representation and power scaling is getting crazy, esp the antagonists and just the overall frequency of shinies, legendaries, etc, but the modern games be like that

at the least it meant skytree pokémon center had to put up shiny Rayquaza statues all through the store in time for when i was there, so thanks journeys
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>>58191636
>I was here thinking basically everyone, even the kids in the main party, were running around spamming megas like fuckass gen 6 itself
Wasn’t one of Gen VI’s main criticisms that hardly anyone used Mega Evolutions? Of the regional gimmicks it was certainly the one held in the highest regards in terms of who actually got to use it.
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>>58191650
Yep. You only get the Mega Stones for the Kanto starter you get from Sycamore, Blaziken if you preordered XY, and Lucario during the main story. And the only trainers that use Megas are Diantha, Korrina, and Lysandre. All the other Mega Stones are postgame, and the rival starts using a Mega Absol then too.

ORAS has a lot more megas in contrast, nearly every major character gets one.
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>>58191650
the game gives you the lucario and the mega stone for it for free basically, and a lot of readily-available (largely kanto) mons had megas in XY so ig i mainly meant the game enables you to spam it at most turns, and the game is piss-easy already which makes it feel like cheating in shapes & numbers class

honestly ORAS is probably worse about it though, since every starter gets a mega and a number of story npcs use one in that
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>>58191663
per what >>58191654 said ig XY wasn’t as bad about it as i figured, it’s the only entry in the main series i never played through i just couldn’t be fucked and i own it (was pre-owned $10)

but i did play through ORAS, which is why i figured Gen 6 was like that generally—i still wish there was some difficulty uptick or hard mode that warranted them being so strong even in the game’s main story, tera has been the only gimmick so far that feels like it wasn’t built primarily for vgc’ing
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>>58191654
There were a couple other stones you could get. I explicitly remember using Mega Ampharos in the main story.
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>>58191570
>if one officer Jenny or Looker gets involve
they don't do jackshit, it always has to be the main characters/player that sorts everything out
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>>58191500
>Gibeon probably the most pathetic villain of the franchise

Most underwhelming too.
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>>58190526
The gang found Laqua.
Lucius was frozen alive.
Lucius and Gibeon pass on.
Laqua gets trashed.
Spinel becomes new big bad.
Friede and his Charziard go MIA.
Spinel frames the gang for trashing Laqua.
The gang disbands for a year.
Roy meets new friend Ult in the timeskip.
Roy and Ult learn Mega Evolution.
Roy gets a Shiny Mega Lucario.
Ult has a Mega Dragonite for game promotion.
Spinel peddles Laqua crystal drugs.
The gang gets back together to stop Spinel.
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>>58191886
>Feel like this can't be right
>Check Bulbapedia for the page to confirm
>It's right
>But then find this on the same page
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Where the fuck are Koraidon and Miraidon
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>>58190629
This must be what adults in the 90s learning about pokemon felt like cause this sounds like nonsense to me.
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Gibeon bloodline humiliation arc.
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>>58193118
With (You). It's implied SV's plot already happened.
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>>58191612
Imagine being fucking Hattrem right now and having to compete with
>Current gen's most popular starter that has just entirely eclipsed you throughout the whole series
>A god damn legendary pokemon
>A Charcadet that likes to battle and is a direct parallel to Amethio's Ceruledge
>Potentially another pokemon that gets a new mega evolution
All while being a pokemon from a previous gen that has literally nothing making it relevant now.
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>>58190526
Sexy meowscarada
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>>58193118
it's a missed opportunity if they don't show the two silly sandwich dragons in the anime
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>>58193118
Miraidon might not even exist unless they dabble in the idea of a Violet centric alternate universe
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>>58194743
Hattrem is the group's medic. Far more than whacking shit with Brutal Swing or Confusion, she prefers to use Heal Pulse and Healing Wish to keep the others healthy.
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>>58194701
>With (You). It's implied SV's plot already happened
That doesn't mean it happened in the game verse, why do you retards keep saying that?
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>>58194779
What are you talking about? The anime implies that the events of the game already took place in-universe. Liko's Terapagos is the second one Professor Briar has seen. There is a Florian or Juliana out there who has Koraidon.
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>>58191492
>they just have to shill what's going on in games right away (Mega Dragonite appeared quite literally out of nowhere)
You mean like they've always done? Ho-oh was cockteased in the very first episode of OS, and Togepi was introduced later down the line to be a walking advertisement for Gen 2 who reduced Misty's entire character to "Togepi's mother."
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>>58194793
Also, there's no hint of Team Star anywhere and Penny is already working for the Pokemon League.
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>>58194793
The anime is using its own weird fucked up homunculus version of SV's story where the primary academy is Naranja, implying Scarlet is the canon version, but somehow Future Paradoxes coexist alongside Ancient Paradoxes even though Professor Turo shouldn't exist in a Scarlet world, because Professor Sada takes his place and she only cares about pulling in Pokemon from the ancient past.
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>>58194822
Heath saw the Paradoxes, it's not just Sada/Turo doing. Which means future paradoxes can also exist through whatever means Heath saw them 200 years ago, probably Tera crystal/Terapagos related fuckery.
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>>58194829
But the Paradoxes only exist in Modern Day Paldea because of the Time Machine. When other investigators went down to Area Zero to verify Heath's claims, all they saw were normal Pokemon, which is why he was deemed a quack who isn't worth listening to, and his findings were mutated into occulture.
The Paradoxes Heath saw are also version dependent.
Heath of Scarlet only saw terrifyingly large and brutish freaks (Ancient Paradoxes), whereas Heath of Violet only saw terrifyingly compact and sleek freaks (Future Paradoxes). Neither makes mention of the other side, and the occulture books of which were inspired by Heath's book don't allude to these others either, making it very clear the Scarlet Book does not contain anything about Future Paradoxes, and the Violet Book does not contain anything about Ancient Paradoxes.
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>>58194822
it's not that weird, future paradoxes haven't actually appeared at all in the series, briar only mentions them, you could say she heard of their existence from the player who traded for them or found them whilst in a union circle with a violet player
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>>58194829
>Heath saw the Paradoxes
Except his description doesn't match the one we actually caught. If anything, he might mistaken a titan Donphan for a Paradox Pokémon.
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>>58194852
Yeah the Violet Book doesn't exist in this universe and when the heroes explored Area Zero themselves they only encountered Scarlet paradoxes. So Briar saying Violet paradoxes exist there too makes no sense, since by all evidence presented thus far she's either mistaken or lying.
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>>58194761
You could remove it from the show entirely and it would effect nothing.
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>>58194846
>>58194859
No, Heath DID see the Paradoxes, and several dex entries refer to a handful of people seeing them. They absolutely did appear in Areo Zero sometimes due to Tera crystal time displacement shenanigans.
Also, consider that the game has limitations cause of gameplay reasons.
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>>58194912
Yes. Heath DID see Paradoxes, but WHICH ONES depends on which version timeline/universe/what the fuck have you we're talking about.
Scarlet Heath only saw Ancient Paradoxes, which he describes as "huge, ferocious beasts".
Violet Heath only saw Future Paradoxes, which he describes as "compact, cruel beasts".



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