Let's talk about gen 9 pokemon the good and the bad
Finally found a picture with the DLC mons as well.
>>58202959Best thing to come out of gen 9 is all the fan art of pecharunt as a shota. I thought there was way more I just can't find it
>>58202934It's an alright gen, kind of middle of the road in my opinion.Some of my takes:>ruinous quartet best lesser legendary group since the gen III regis>would have liked more regional variants, convergent mons are nice enough but very underutlized>happy to see proper cross-gen evos>gholdengo worst mon in gen IX dex
All the future Pokemon shinies being chrome is really cool, it reminds me of this era in Y2K technology
>>58202934i actually liked the story overall for once, good characters, some good new evos, as others said i wish more regional variants had existedit’s an open world which more or less categorically suck, but this series gets to cheat by incentivizing you visit places for pokémon spawns, even if the environment in these games are rather bland and usually a barely spruced-up game engine terrain sculptit got thrashed by bad performance and kinda shitty art which is arguably more apparent on switch 2 with the performance patch, but it’s a bummer, because the reworked models, animations, and surface textures for pokémon were all good, and worse yet ZA won’t have them bc of development occurring in parallelthe DLCs mog the base game, esp kitakami, which makes me feel like maybe it’s time for a break from the “tour of the globe” region inspirationsoverall, had the makings of a solid 8/10 entry maybe, but was trapped in a game with issues that dragged most of its duration down, idk maybe it’s a 6, still better than gen. 6 & 8
>>58202959It has some strong points. All the legendaries pre-DLC are excellent. Some designs are really cool like some of the paradox mons, Lokix, Charcadet line etc... We also got new evos like Annihilape, Clodsire, Kingambit and more Applin evos.The starters are ok. I prefer Skeledirge and Mewoscarda is decent, but I really don't like Quaquaval. Unfortunately it also suffers from other things like the terrible BW paradox legendaries, Grass/Fire being wasted on Scovillain, Wiglett's line (among one of the most useless pokemon I have ever seen), Spidops (a Gen 2 pokemon in gen 9, really?) and of course...Frigibax. And this dex has one of the most forgettable lines ever: Bramblin and Brambleghast.Overall I really like it thanks to its good points, but it also has some terrible shit in it.>>58203067Agreed. It kinda makes me wish for a pokemon based on Y2K aesthetic or even Frutiger Aero.
>>58202934It wasnt too bad aside from all of the frame rate issues on the switch 1. I like the pseudo, the treasures of ruin, and a handful of others from Gen 9. The dislikes: I dont like the legendary being rideable it takes away from them being a legendary and being special. I also dont like the designs of the PC's.
>>58202934Like the roster or the games as a whole
>>58203113agreed bigtime, i didn’t even mention in mine above how much i liked stuff like lokix or hydrapple or dudun, there were a number of neat designs to use and get shinies of this gennot to mention the crazy hunt here on the board to find out how to get palafinalso: surely we get frutiger porygon-4 at some point, right?
>>58202959genuinely one of my favorite dexes ever. starters aren’t really my thing besides the fuecoco line, but there’s so many other lovable mons like tandemaus, fidough, nacli, bellibolt, tinkaton, houndstone, and dudunsparce. my biggest problem is almost every future paradox is lame as hell, valiant is awesome but the rest look too much like their current equivalents, and the naming scheme is so boring
I liked grass at as a starter, I'm happy I tried it on ryujinx before committing to buy, saved me like 80 dollarydoos. Fixing the performance and graphical issues isn't enough. A lot of wasted potential in this game so it's rather sad
>>58202959>Tadbulb/Bellibolt>Orthworm>Clodsire>Dondozo>Dipplin/Hydrapplethey just completely gave up with the rest of the non-paradox pokemon I mean really
>>58203229>first three are some of my favoritesi think we’ve gotta fight, anon
>>58203234I'm saying they gave up with the REST
>>58203195Tandemaus ended up being really charming I like how simple they are, if you told me they were gen 1 mon I'd believe you
>>58202934>>58202959As someone who never bothered to buy it>besides iron moth and iron treads, future paradox mons are a total misfire>regional variants/convergent mons are all highlights>starter evolutions are messy, though I do find them more charming than Gen 8's>pseudo line is the worst one in the entire franchise>has its fair share of instant classics like tinkaton and maushold, i expect to see a few mons stick around in the coming years>i seriously loathe the super simplistic ones like spidops
>>58202959it’s crazy how good the past gen 2 trio are and how shit the future gen 5 trio are
>>58203242Too retarded for even KANTOOOO
>>58203229>>58203234Orthworm is fucking stupid and gay
>>58203229what kind of asshole hates clodsire and orthworm? what issue could anyone possibly have with hydrapple?
>>58202959one of the most solid dexes in a while, some middling mons but mostly good designs. especially a big fan of the cross gen evos and the paradox mons, particularly the past ones. roaring moon is literally the worst design in the series though, no idea what they were thinking there.
Dex is mostly good to great with only like maybe 10 or so dog ass designs I dislike (Rellor, Baxcalibur line, Raging Bolt..)Paradoxes are great from a design standpoint and they did a great job of taking the legendary Pokemon and actually making them feel legendary, I don't care for the Loyal Three design wise, but love that they're an example of a legend being twisted around, and the Treasures of Ruin are S class monsters.I think when SV's dex is good, it's really good, but when it's bad, it's reaaaallly fucking bad and if a Pokemon from this gen is mid tier, it's completely forgettable (when was the last time you saw someone talk about Bramblin), but the highs are better than the lows and the average level of quality is pretty gud. Easily mogs Gen 4 and 8's dexes at the very least which is great for modern Pokemon.
>>58203412>no idea what they were thinking there."what if ancient salamence was actually just its mega form" not a hard concept to grasp
>>58202934More Pigs…?!
>>58203412I think it looks fine in-game. The "sugi" art is absolute dogshit though.
>>58203471mega mence looks bad but roaring moon is fucked up, it's so busy and unbalanced
>>58202959Pseudo is a bit of a disappointment but it's vastly superior to Goodra and Dragonite at least
>>58203580those guys have cute appeal, bax has like... nothing. no sauce, no flair, nothing to pique the interest. it's a nothingburger. tinkaton should have been the pseudo.
>>58203387i’m also fucking stupid and gay
>>58202959So how would /vp/ rate this dex out of 10? Is it based or cringe?
>>58203590>tinkaton should have been the pseudo.Definitely like no hate towards baxcalibur but it just doesn't have the "It factor" the other pseudo's have like.>Dragonite Odd one out in its line and the only dragon at the time>TyranitarBasically Godzilla >SalamanceBig ass dragon that learned to fly>MetagrossSuper computer spider>GarchompFighter jet shark>Hydregionevil hydra>GoodraEvolved from a weak snail>Kommo-oBoxing dragon>DragapultStealth bomber ghost crocodile What's baxcalibur's thing? A sword on its back? It's Godzilla again? Where's it's thing? The sword thing is something it kinda ripped off from haxorus.Tinkaton would've been the first fairy type pseudo and it actually has a unique thing unlike baxcalibur
>>58202934XDDDDDLE CHONKLE LE LE CHONKLE HECKIN SHREKIN CHONKERINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE MUNGUS CHUNGUS CHONKERINOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>58202934Game is really good! I loved the story and characters!DLC was fucking trash and made the whole experience feel trash too 0/10
>>58202959Godzilla was the only one I really liked. Best dragon design in a while.
>>58202934Gholdengo is ugly as fuck, it's stats and ability are so fucking good though, bordering on too good.Garganacl was awful, it took a lot of time for veluza to grow on me and I still think arboliva is kinda lame as a final evolution since it feels incomplete for a dryad.I only liked the crocodile as far as starter went mostly carried by crocalor.I liked Wo-chien, Pawmot, squakabily flamigo and the 3 dog lines since the moment I saw them.Most of paradox pokemon were a big miss outside of the moths, gallade donphan and ttar, now that I think about it I mostly enjoyed the robots.The box legends were lame and so we're the DLC pokemon.I liked tauros and found wugtrio to be incredibly stupid but ok in the end, toedscruel had potential but it's ability is ass.Evolution were mostly ok, girafarig and dusnparce were dumb but silly anihilape and kingambit were for the most part just the second stage but edgier and I found that to be ok, it's the same principle as dudunsparce if you stop and think about it, Hydraple didn't disappointed me either.I guess that's my opinion on the pokemon of SV, mostly average with some serious lows. Gholdengo is but fucking ugly.
>>58202934I was devastated when my cute little shiny Tarountula evolved into that garbage with pool noodles for arms
>>58203465mostly agree although I like Baxcalibur and Bramblinstep in the right direction especially after gen 8's dex
>>58203590i don't find either of those cute at all. I guess things need to be small for me to find them cute.
>>58202934>>58202959If not for the prehistoric Pokemon, this would be my least favourite Pokedex alongside Galar. I would place it in bottom 3 either way. Some Pokemon are good (e.g. Pawmot, Ceruledge, Cyclizar, Tinkaton) but most of them are either average or bad (Grafaiai, Brambleghast, Tatsugiri, Sandy Shocks, Iron Hands etc.).>favouritesMeowscarada, Mabostiff, Kingambit, Great Tusk, Roaring Moon, Gouging Fire, Raging Bolt.>absolute garbageOinkologne, Maushold, Bellibolt, Espathra, Palafin, Orthworm, Flamigo.I'm also getting tired of retarded designs like Tadbulb, Shroodle, Capsakid, Flittle or Tinkatink. Baby neopet looking crap.
I think there are some good designs in gen 9 but there are also some "weird" designs/rehashes as well. All in all i don't think it's bad
>>58204213+ although the starters weren't that good in my opinion
Espathra is only good part because I goon to her
>>58202934It was an improvement from Gen 8 at least
>>58204241>It was an improvement from Gen 8 at leastGen 8 is like a box of lucky charms except it's 90 percent normal cereal and the marshmallows are stale. So many pokemon are unfinished like drednaw and eldegoss feel like middle stages
>>58202959The future Paradox Pokemon are all so fucking dogshit man
>>58203398lots of people hate orthworm it seems, which baffles me
>>58204345Yeah I really like Dreadnaw but man, it's type and stats do not do it favors.Give it an evo that makes it Water/Ground and better defenses and then we have something on our hands that's usable.
>>58202934Glitchiest Pokemon game ever and still the best in over a decade, hope they keep the level but actually taking more time for gen 10
>>58202934Design wise? VERY strong gen.All legendaries are goodParadoxes were mostly decentLove all new dogs.I dont actually dislike anyone besides Bawmo and Pawmot (Pawmi is cutie), and this comes from someone who complains about monster designs A LOT.Revavroom and Cetitan are my absolute wavs and I adore how my bro mankey finally get some love with amazing evo.
>>58203341>>pseudo line is the worst one in the entire franchiseI see you forgot Goodra.
>>58203689Tyranitar is NOT A GODZILLA its Bemular.
>>58202959>33 legendaries
>>58203690Lechon is spanish for piglet, retardo.
>>58204721>paradox Pokémon >legendary
>>58204693no one cares about ultrasissy
>>58203590Baxcalibur is a spanish fossil dinosaur that used its big crest to thermoregulate itself which is why the pokemon has a nuclear energy theme that connects to Gozilla, it's rad as fuck, you just don't like its idle animation/stance
>>58202934Kind of mediocre when it comes to the "base" dex (with exceptions like Cetitan, Klawf and Greavard line) and I ended up not really caring for many of the fan-favorites but the legendaries and past paradoxes are seriously fantastic, total MVPs carrying the generation for me
>>58204740>noooo they don't count cus they have a different name or whatever lolmythicals, ubs, paradox, all the same thing as legendaries.
>>58204748>there's a reason it was designed this way so it's ok that it's ugly and lame
>>58203398learn to read>>58203387this post reeks of Charizard faggotry, Orthworm is an actual Pokemon.
>>58204687Goodra's a letdown compared to its pre-evolutions but it still has some charm. But that Bax line has no redeeming qualities, they're all hideous. It's very telling that the artist never bothered to draw a dynamic pose for Baxcalibur, seemingly tracing the 3d model instead. You don't get points for ripping off godzilla for the nth time
Ground-types made out really good this generation. I'll explain.>ClodsireThe first Ground/Poison alternative to the Nidos (since Gen 1!!) and the first Ground-type immune to Water that also isn't 4x weak to Grass.>ToedscruelThe first Ground/Grass alternative to Torterra and a rare Special Defensive option for the type. Also: Spore!>Great TuskTHE first Ground/Fighting Pokémon (how did it take this long?)>Iron TreadsA fast Ground/Steel better bulk than Excadrill.>Sandy ShocksThe first Ground/Electric alternative to Stunfisk (lol) and a dually rare fast Special Attacker for the type.>Ting-LuThe first Ground/Dark alternative to Krookodile and a fairly rare Ground-type legendary>UrsalunaAnother rare Special attacker, this one more traditionally bulky
>>58202934One of the coolest regional birds so far. The Ruinous Quarted is also cool as fuck. Pretty damn good dex all together.
>>58204774>they are legendaries cuz i say so!!You don't make the rules retard. They're not legendaries. That's a fact.
>>58205099reading, over and over again, still definitely looks like he's calling out those designs specifically for being bad. if he meant to say he only likes those designs and dislikes the rest of the dex he should have been clearer about it, because at best it's ambiguous and on a neutral reading the post leads one to believe he only likes the paradox mons.>>58204748what >>58204776 said but i would have been less rude about it
>>58202934I like SpidopsHe's cool
>>58202934>the good>implying
He's so cool.>inb4 hurr durr MINECRAFT xdFuck off braindead zoomers, Minecraft didn't fucking invent cubes.
>>58205409They're functionally the same being rare, high bst, special pokemon that are story-related and inexplicable. If you consider UBs legendaries (they are officially considered legendaries) then you ought to consider paradox mons legendaries.
>>58205786I get it but you have to admit naclstack was designed to have a minecraft mob face. That you must concede.
>>58207021And yet they are officially NOT labelled legendary. Simple as. You still don't make the rules, GF does.
>>58207021They're nowhere near as rare as most legendaries, which you usually can only get a single one of per save. Paradoxes on the other hand are actually fairly common in Area Zero.
>>58207024Neither are Mythicals. They're a special category of pokemon completely unlike anything else. They're effectively legendaries.>>58207119To be fair legendaries used to be unable to evolve before gen 7 too.
What went so horribly wrong with the Rellor line?
>>58202959Biggest two critiques I got other than it being a little too cartoony are that some of the pre-evolutions are rough and that Violet got screwed on the future paradoxes. Obviously they're meant to partially look better in motion, but even then I feel the concept was undercooked.
>>58205387Basically all are great designs as well.
>>58202934This fucking thing was the perfect opportunity for the first Ground/Fairy pokenon. It's literally a pig-perfume bottle mon. This screams Ground/Fairy type. Such a shame... Same thing with Dachsbun not being Fairy/Fire.
Majority look like AI
Playing the game for the first time and I'm surprisingly pleased with the new dex, the only thing I don't really like are the starters, and I may replace my fuecoco with another mon soonish once I find a cool fire guy
>>58203078What single handly ruined the game for me was no rematches/VS option. This big ass fuck all region and you mean to tell them there's a limit to battling? I can fly and all this horseshit and the only trainers that I can battle are retarded npcs from the story only. This is why I'm getting tired of this fucking series. A game all about battling, making teams, completing the dex and yet they want you to grind with the same 5 nobodies over and fucking over again. Atleast the blueberry trainers gave a nice challenge since they're VGC based
>>58204774>>58204721more retarded opinion Ive seen here in a long while
Scream Tail
>>58202934I don’t care what anyone says, I think all of the cross-gen evolutions introduced are fantastic. I also much prefer the convergent Pokemon to the regional variants, since they’re not locked to certain regions/areas for future gens
>>58209212>he wants to battle Random Retard standing in the wilderness with this 1-3 shitmons than the actual named NPCs who are competent battlers with a team of 6??? This gotta be one of the dumbest takes I've seen in weeks
>>58202934Why do they all have eye infections?
one of the worst can barely remember most
>>58209518Yes you retarded faggot. I'd rather fight RANDOM trainers than the same 10 idiots whom team never changes and also im not a fuck wit like you who instantly levels to 100. Some mons I train from level 5 which is awesome for seeing how well they do against weak trainers. Imagine being that fucking stupid that you prefer doing the school festival and blueberry doubles over and over again.
>>58210224What a bunch of retarded projection lmaoI don't instantly level to 100, I used like 40 new mons in my playthrough, and yes the league club is million times better than fighting the randomly generated uggo trainer Literally Who with his 2 shitmons who can't do anything worthwhile
>>58203690at least oinkologne is a finest name
>>58202934Imo, Hydrapple is the highlight of the second part of the DLC, but dipplin is a bit redundant. They should have Applin evolve to Hydrapple directly.
>>58202934Did you not ask for "the ugly" because that would just be all of them?
>>58209230mythicals were called legendaries in the west for the majority of pokemon's runUBs are officially considered legendariesParadox mons are pretty much just a new take on UBs just instead of insane, un-pokemon-like designs for the most part, they are edgy or wack reinterpretations of existing designs through a sketchbook spec evo lens. The only good argument against them is that you can catch a bunch oc dupes in a dlc area but I really don't think that disqualifies them from being analogous, and thus readily lumped in with them.
>>58203024Somethings wrong with you.
>>58214232>UBs are officially considered legendariesThey’re quite explicitly not considered legendaries officially.The one argument for them being legendary was that they were programmed as such earlier, but that isn’t even the case anymore.
