He did absolutely nothing wrong.
>>58204455So why did he sperg out and become total edgelord faggot again? Was it justified?
>>58204459He made the mistake of not recognizing a Protagonist, and by the time he did, believed he could defy one who is chosen by God itself to succeed to the utmost degree.
>>58204455>He did absolutely nothing wrongHe was born.
>>58204455>first character in the franchise to stand up against bullshit plot armor and protagonist bias>gets crushed and humilliated to oblivion and beyondWhat was the message they were trying to convey here?
>>58204513NPCs should know their fucking place.
>>58204513the player is a loser who gets everything for free, maybe kiki should’ve whomped usgive him legendaries and that good-good battle frontier high streak evil AI
>>58204540Coulda, shoulda, woulda. He had every opportunity to beat us and he still somehow screwed it up because we're just that good.
>>58204513Learn to attack trainers directly like in Yugioh.
>>58204549Wait, that's actual advice. Game Freak's message? Uh, they were writing their NTR fanfic?
>>58204543the player might be (usually not though, realistically), but (and I should’ve phrased it this way before) the in-game protag who wins everything for free is a plot-carried bitch
>>58204459>So why did he sperg out and become total edgelord faggot again?Miscommunication. He idolized the myth of the ogre, seeing them as the unspoken outcast who doesn't fit in, like him. However, when it turned out Ogerpon was real he wasn't prepared to handle the reality of his idolized myth coming true. He tried to take a breather and prepare himself to interact with Ogerpon, but by that point Ogerpon became attached to the player, and her pollyanna attitude contrasted sharply with what Kieran thought she'd be like.Not knowing what to do he challenged the player for custody of Ogerpon, then lost, and Ogerpon herself chose the player too. The triple whammy of his myth coming true but going to the popular, outgoing kid, he was right about the myth when nobody else believed him for years, and his asshole sister becoming better friends with the popular kid drove him off the edge and he became obsessed with power and defeating the player.>Was it justified?Kinda sorta? The schism between the player and Kieran started when Carmine forced the player to not tell Kieran they met Ogerpon at the festival, despite both Carmine and the player knowing how much the ogre meant to Kieran. That betrayal of trust lead to the breakdown of their friendship, and Kieran turning the BB League into a tryhard no-fun-allowed competition, all so he could vent his bitter rage from everything that happened.Kieran's the best rival because his rivalry isn't based on friendship, competition, or two assholes just being dicks to each other. For Kieran it's personal.
>>58204554I remember hitting him with Flower Trick against Terapagos and he went >"How can you get a critical hit at a time like this?! What are you, the hero of this story?!"and thought>"Haven't you figured it out yet, Kieran? Flower Trick ALWAYS crits!!!"
>>58204591>kiki was not privy to this information
>>58204513That you should accept that there will always be someone bigger than you and that you shouldn't let winning or losing define your relationships and just have funKieran in any other game would be the protagonist, but he never stood a chance here
>>58204591SV has many flaws, but Kieran's arc is not one of them. Get fucked you whiny cuck, Ogerpon is boxfodder
>>58204455That hairstyle is wrong. Kids at Blueberry must be some bitches if they let someone looking like that bully them.
Kieran should be tied down and forced to watch Juliana, Carmine, Ogerpon, Lacey, and Amarys all get fucked by Drayton.What a cuck ex-champion LOSER
>>58204661You know Drayton is an ex-champion too, right? He was champ until Kieran knocked him off his pedestal, and despite challenging him a number of times after Drayton couldn't reclaim his title. That's why he has you do his dirty work for him. He can't beat Kieran.
>>58204675And it worked obviously because his bully cock is irresistible
>>58204675They showed that all the other kids in the club had other things going on than just pokemon battling.Drayton is an ex-champ, but he has a life outside of it. The chef kid probably could've been a champ if he gave up his passion.Kieran devoted himself to battling and got humiliated.
Fuck this fucking DLC. They force you to cuck this kid. I hate my own player character. I hate how hard this game dickrides you. I didn't even want the Ogerpon, I don't use legendaries.
>>58204540You can't force a loss when the player can just bring 6 max IVs/EVs Arceus/Landorus/etc from home.
>>58204455It was a good thing that Kieran had such a large support network of people who made him see the errors of his ways and stopped him from becoming an outright villain.Young Volo only had that shota predator Cogita to turn to and he became an omnicidial satanist.
>>58204455He's based
>>58204455Don't care. I'm still fucking his sister.
>>58204455Wrong, he didn't let me kiss him.
>>58204661Drayton, go do your homework instead of wasting your time on 4chan you nepobaby slacker.
>>58204543Nah, this game sucks, there should've been some kind of event or special cutscene or something you get for losing to him, the fact that there isn't one and the game just cuts to black and rewinds time (despite letting you lose to Nemona in a lot of cases) shows that no matter how bad the player is, Kieran cannot win due to the will of god. Objectively speaking, he did everything right and achieved more than any other rival (and even most evil team leaders by just Master Balling Terapagos on sight), and even went so far as to have one of the best teams in the franchise (for non-battle tower, non-500th rematch content), and yet still couldn't win because the player character is mandated by the game itself to be able to win in the end, even if they lose.He's the best rival and it's not even a discussion, though I do like Nemona a lot too.
>>58205280>They showed that all the other kids in the club had other things going on than just pokemon battling.>Drayton is an ex-champ, but he has a life outside of it.Wtf, this argument applies to everyone EXCEPT Drayton, who's entire gimmick is that he does not want to do anything. He failed to graduate three times and yet still has to bum notes off of Carmine, that man is NOT doing shit.
The games will always undermine their own storytelling as long as there are no stakes or consequences established for the Player. The weight behind the event in the DLC would've been significantly bigger if the outcome of the matches with him actually influenced the status with Ogerpon's ownership.
>>58204588>Carmine forced the player to not tell Kieran they met Ogerpon at the festivaJustified on the night it happened, he absolutely woulda sperged out and blabbed or run off into the night. I wanna know why Kierans grandpa didn't tell him and Carmine the truth already. Did he just not notice Kieran constantly sperging about the pon that whole time?
>>58206378So what, you wanted the game to script you to lose to him?Yeah sounds great man. Go sit in the corner while ogerpon sucks on my ivy cudgel.
>>58206382He's not doing shit out of his choice, doing nothing is what he wants to do.At the end of Kiki's story he has nothing but to live in the player's shadow.
>>58204526Truthnuke
>>58206705No, retard, I'm saying because it's impossible to "lose" the fight with Kieran, it makes no sense to brag about it as if there was any other possible outcome. If these games were good, you'd be able to lose to Kieran and have the plot move forward, or at the very least acknowledge that he got a win on you before sending you back to fight him again. Even RBY had dialog for losing to your rival in the Champion fight. Like the other anon said, there being no consequences for the player puts a hard cap on what kind of writing you can have, I'd actually argue Kieran is better for this because he plays into the idea that the Player will always win every battle, catch every Pokemon, and make every friend no matter what. But, it would've been ideal for it to be possible to lose to him, that's not the same as wanting a scripted loss, learn to read.
>>58204455He doesn't deserve amy legendaries
>>58204455>>58204459he should of had a golisopod on his team
>>58204455The only thing he did wrong is that his Hydrapple is not tera steel.
>>58208206>Teras Hydrapple to Steel>"Ceruledge, use Bitter Blade!"???
>>58208208I don't use a ceruledge.
>>58208208Stop being retardedSteel resists ice and fairy which Hydrapple is weak to
i greatly dislike that the player is forced to lie to kiki, and i believe his response is justified
>>58208221Sucks for you then.>>58208223And it doesn't resist Fire, which Steel is weak to.
>>58204455He doesn't know his fucking place. That's a sin in an RPG world.
>>58208227>And it doesn't resist Fire, which Steel is weak tole types...have...le weaknesses???no...
>>58208233Yes? Why are you acting like this is a new thing? Are you brand new to Pokemon?
>>58208239At that rate it literally doesn't matter what the tera isIt could be electric and you'd just say>"erm hippowdown use earthquake"I am mocking you for being low IQ, brown, and not playing the game.
>>58208249You're absolutely retarded on four counts.>1. "erm hippowdown use earthquake"Who the fuck would ever use a Hippowdon? I would use Garchomp. You can't even spell "Hippowdon" correctly.>2. low IQWrong. Kieran's battle is a double battle. You never need to sacrifice a Pokemon to cover a weakness. I beat half his team with a Gallade, including my Gallade + Ceruledge combo. >3. brownAlso wrong, this is you projecting your own insecurities onto me.>4. and not playing the gameWrong. Once again, this is just you projecting your own insecurities onto me. It's clear you didn't beat the game.Kieran Terastallizing Hydrapple to Steel wouldn't make it harder to kill, but easier, because then you could kill it even faster with Ceruledge.
>>58208203Golisopod got dex cut, bro.
>>58208273>Kieran Terastallizing Hydrapple to Steel wouldn't make it harder to kill, but easierAs opposed to fighting which does nothing to negate its fairy and flying weakness? Wow you must be sub-jeet levels of brainpower, retardsister!
>>58208285I killed that with Gallade. You should really beat the game before posting about it. I know you're bitter you didn't, but you really should.
Just imagine it from Kieran's perspective.This random kid shows up in your town, starts hanging out with your sister, manages to win over the pokemon you've idolized your whole life, and no matter what you try to do, you can never ever get a win over on them. Worst of all, while your absolute best pushes everyone away while not even being enough, this outsider is beloved by everyone.Kieran has had to come to terms with the fact that the protagonist is a demigod and that there is nothing he as a mere mortal can do. That sounds so awful
It's almost like Grass/Dragon is a dogshit type to contend with in terms of "what Tera is the best option I can use for it?" and Kieran should have subverted the "le ace must ALWAYS tera" trend to show just how much of a tryhard he was being, and instead allowed Porygon-Z to go Tera Normal to further amplify its Hyper Beams seeing as how GameFreak was insistent on banking on Adaptability over Download.
>>58208287Wow you beat the NPC, literally nobody is impressed. Post your 3 dex diplomas, fully upgraded league club room, flashy jinbei, and alt start screen or kill yourself.
>>58208300>diplomasAll you have to do is get Discord bots to trade you everything, bro.>league club roomNot impressive, just shows you and three other fags have a lot of free time you chose to waste on grinding BBQs.>jinbeiNot impressive, grinding money in this game was piss easy even in basegame.>alt start screenNot impressive, all you have to do is play the game and then revisit an old area you were probably checking out for outbreak purposes and unknowingly stumbled into the scene.
>>58208300>Wow you beat the NPC, literally nobody is impressedIt's more than you did. You're getting even angrier now, take out that anger on Kieran, not me. It's not me you're angry at.
>>58208308>All you have to do is get Discord bots to trade you everything, bro.Stop cheating.>Not impressive, just shows you and three other fags have a lot of free time you chose to waste on grinding BBQsCope, you didn't beat the game.
>>58208313>trading, a key mechanic of the Pokemon franchise that has been the cornerstone of why it's so fucking successful in the first place, and is the LITERAL ONLY WAY TO COMPLETE THE POKEDEX IN ANY GAME THAT ISN'T LEGENDS ARCEUS, is "cheating"
>>58208315Hacking in 'mons with bots is cheating, yes.Machamps.com the Terapagos will never be a legit Pokemon and you will never be a real woman.
>>58208317>suddenly brings up trannies for no reasonNice projection, sister.
>>58208319>absolutely retreats, FLEES even, from acknowledging his failure to beat the gameYou lost.
>>58208323Why would I need to use a bot to trade myself a Terapagos, a Pokemon you're required to capture during the narrative if you own the DLC? If I didn't have the DLC, I wouldn't need to trade a Terapagos, because it wouldn't be relevant to any Pokedex since Blueberry's Pokedex only unlocks when I have the DLC.
>>58208326I thought you said all you need for the diploma is bots, retardbro? Are you consneeding at long last?
>>58208330I only need the bot for the one-per-game version exclusives, because you're going to be hard-pressed to find someone that'll trust a random on the internet to not take their one-per-game Pokemon and run with them, AKA Miraidon, Koraidon, Iron Boulder, Iron Crown, Gouging Flame, and Raging Bolt.Yes, technically there are two Miraidon/Koraidon, but one of them is forever attached to its native game, similar to Partner Pikachu/Eevee from LGPE, so the Miraidon/Koraidon you catch post-Ed Sheeran is the one you want to keep since you can transfer it into other games.
>>58208340>I only need the bot for [CHEATING]Friendless, grassless, unemployed, fatherless, brown behavior.
>>58208342>trading, a key mechanic of the Pokemon franchise that has been the cornerstone of why it's so fucking successful in the first place, and is the LITERAL ONLY WAY TO COMPLETE THE POKEDEX IN ANY GAME THAT ISN'T LEGENDS ARCEUS, is "cheating"
>>58208342>trading is cheatingtell me you have no friends without telling me you have no friends
>>58208353>>58208365Bots are cheating, yes. We've been over this already, Shartytroon #1 and Shartytroon #2 (not-so-secretly Shartytroon #1 samefagging)
>>58208387It isn't cheating though. The game doesn't stop me to go "Oh dear, [player], I'm so sorry to tell you this, but it seems like your Pokedex is unable to identify and register this Pokemon for some reason... you may need to find another one if you want to add the species to your Pokedex." and deny me the right to add it to my Pokedex because it fails a legality check.
>>58208392>It isn't cheating though. The casino doesn't stop me to go "Oh dear, [customer], I'm so sorry to tell you this, but it seems like the dealer is unable to see the totally legitimate Ace that you definitely didn't pull out of your sleeve for some reason...you may need to play another game if you want to collect winnings."
>>58208457The casino abso-fucking-lutely would call me out on my bullshit and request that I follow the well-dressed gentlemen into the backrooms so that I may subsequently be beaten to a pulp and extorted for all my cash, forced to vow with blackened eyes and missing teeth that I will never return to the casino again for daring to try and outplay the house.
>>58208481Just like how you would be kicked out of any VGC competition should your injected mon be discovered. You lose. Thanks for playing!!!
You gay retards. Kieran's Hydrapple is Tera Fighting because it's supposed to show how he went full aggressive.
>>58208493But we're not talking about VGC? We're talking about completing the Pokedex.
>>58208501>bro pulling out an ace from my sleeve when playing with a blind dude isn't cheating, there's no way he can know about it so it's completely legit!!!Stop cheating.
>>58208516Okay, but what part of completing the Pokedex has a legality checker? We're talking about completing the Pokedex, you can't just bring VGC into the picture out of nowhere and act like that's what we were talking about this entire time.
>>58208521>Bro I totally beat Pokemon Red, what do you mean giving myself a level 100 Mewtwo (with my ID) at the start is cheating? The game didn't le stop me!!!
>>58208498Nobody's talking about that anymore. Keep up.
>>58208523You can catch Mew in RBY before you even clear Mt. Moon. What's your point?
>>58208523Why are we suddenly talking about Pokemon Red? We're talking about completion in Scarlet and Violet.
>>58208526>>58208543How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
>>58208550>this *holds up spork* tier non-sequiturConcession accepted. I'd be unbothered because I usually wake up around noon, thus I eat lunch instead. Have a nice day, sweetie.
>>58208524Those two gay retards who should just fuck each other started with it. And only keep going cause they're faggots.
>>58204588>For Kieran it's personalFucking cringe, hes just a sore loser with a twink fandom
>>58206378>he did everything rightHe ignored the choice of the pokemon he idolized because it didnt choose him, had a temper tantrum and tried to team rocket the ogre. Fuck kieran
>>58208636>twink fandom>he doesn't knowOh no no no no
