how the fuck am I meant to know which way to go without overleveling everything
>>58204917Isn't each location numbered?
>>58204917>We want exploration!>N-No not like this!
>>58204917You don't. Are you seriously that dependent on being told where to go next that you can't fathom the idea of going your own way? If you're that autistic about order, just don't pick the gyms/star bases/titan pokemon further out, because they tend to be higher level. Reminder that being allowed to go to whichever location on the map from the start (and to fuck around and find out) is a good thing and good game design.>B-but-Anyone who disagrees is a contrarian NPC with the sense of adventure of a goddamn cinderblock. You're allowed to play whichever way you like, go explore.
>>58204939>>58204936/vp/iggers have been stockholmed into accepting handholdinggym badges are SOOOOO yesterday old man, get with the times
>>58204917i just had the map saved to my phone with the gym/star base/sandwich mons in order. it didn't feel any different than checking the type chart on occasion or looking up natures/movesets, but it may feel different for you if you don't like to look anything up at all for your playthroughs.
>>58204939I like going my own way, what I don't like is when going my own way means completing destroying other parts of the content, this game needs level scaling
>>58204952>This game needs level scalingYeah I agree. Unfortunately GameFreak knows they can keep cutting corners with every new entry and people will continue to buy them anyway. It's always one step forwards and two steps back.
>>58204952>>58204958Level scaling kills any type of challenge you can put in the game. Everything will be always too easy
>>58204939>>58204936It's not actually "free to explore" though. Levels for each location are set and there's very clearly an order to do them in. Why didn't they make them scale to the player? Couldn't have been much more effort
>>58204917There are some lists online.
>>58204939It's open world in the same way as New Vegas. You still have to go in the set direction the game wants you to or you get your asshole torn open by level 50s, just like how the route from the graveyard to New Vegas is full of deathclaws and cazadors.
>>58204966No it doesn't.
>>58204917It takes 5 fucking seconds to google "scarlet/violet order map." EVERY game in existence has a guide, if you just bothered to look. Stop crying about games not providing this by itself, actually LOOK for once, it's not hard.
>>58205000>have to look at a guide to not completely destroy the game by accident
>>58205007There is no way you're actually steamrolling the entire game by accident.
>>58205012All you need to do is fight one boss early and you're overleveled for the rest of the game, thanks to always-on exp share.
>>58204936If it was truly organic it areas wouldn't be level specific it'd be chaotic for each different thing you'd come across
>>58205017The areas don't even have level groups, because there are trainers right next to each other that have a 10+ level jump.
>>58204966Explain to me how it would be easier than doing a hard badge and then speeding through the easier ones
>>58204917>look at wild Pokémon>Level is much higher than the Pokémon in the area I was before? Guess I'm not supposed to be here yet.>Level is lower than in the area I was before? Then I was probably here already. If not, it won't hurt to explore if I want to.>Leven is just a little higher than in the area I was before? This is where I'm supposed to go!Is that so fucking hard? No, it's not, retard.
>>58204917Left.
>>58205034So you just naturally ping-ponged around the region looking for something that was just barely above your level?The Pokemon available right before Mela are only a couple levels higher than Brassius.
>>58204917You don't, there are hints lile the map numbers, but honestly those aren't really that conductive unless you already know about them.Besides, overlevelling is a chronic issue for these games, you solve it by remembering you always have your box these days and rotating shit out if it is too strong and candy up if what you are putting in as replacement is too weak, that way you also always train new mons to evolve for the dex. Plus Paldea is like THE easiest Region to stay at a low level in since trainers only fight if you actively talk to them and wild mons are so easy to avoid.
>>58205062The map numbers are what order you personally did them in. There are no hints. Even the "where should I go next" prompt at the Pokemon Center just tells you what is closest.
>>58204917Catch more 'mons to soak up the extra EXP
>>58204917The game literally throws rare candiesbat you
>>58205075But that goes against the way I play the game, and the way that was intended by the developers. You're meant to have a small, closely knit team of bromons instead of an army of slaves, that's why Ash only has about 6 or 7 Pokemon every region.
>>58204981Smrallu compranu
>People demand for decades to have another Kanto style map where you can bumble into areas/gyms you weren't meant for yet>S/V brings it back>Complaints aboundDo Pokemon fans actually know what they want or is it just a perpetual case of "grass being greener on the other side"
>>58205094Kanto had a distinct intended order and had map design that led you in the right direction. Paldea has no design, it's just a big open field and the intended path is zigzagging around the region hoping to find what the next gym is.
>>58205094>all people are the same
>>58205094I would've preferred it to be in a form that's not a playstation 2-era open world with less to do and see. In particular, it's baffling that the map is designed for you to glitch your way up horrible geometry. 0 design, 0 thought.
>>58204917>see a pokemon>target it>it shows its level>"HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE LEVELS OF THIS AREA????"
>>58205189>Buy pokeball>Catch LV.50 mon at the start of the game>No reason to keep playing
>>58205225This isn't Arceus or Z-A, you can't keep trying to catch a higher level pokemon without getting your ass kicked. Not to mention trading has always make it so you can have higher leveled pokemon early so I don't know what's supposed to be your point here
>>58205054>>>58205034 #>So you just naturally ping-ponged around the region looking for something that was just barely above your level?Pretty much, yeah. It's not hard. You even said it yourself, it's done pretty naturally.>The Pokemon available right before Mela are only a couple levels higher than Brassius.Yeah, and Mela is a bit higher level, but only has 1 Pokémon + Star Mobile. It's doable when you're underleveled, I know cause I beat her like that. It was a fun challenge. And even if you lose, then you just come back later and try again. God forbid you actually lose a battle in a Pokémon game for once instead of steamrolling it, huh?
>>58205225Then don't do that? No one forces you to do that. You'd need to go out of your way to it anyway. You could also trade yourself a lvl 100 mon from any other game. What's your point?
>>58205000That's fucking retarded. What's the point? There isn't more to explore, there's just a bunch of space between all the points of interest. Trainer battles mean nothing. They're just scattered across the map and they don't scale. So you just end up with a bunch of NPCs with under leveled mons you have to hunt so you can get a reward from some guy at the Poke center. It's busywork.
>>58205314I have to actively force my part to stay under leveled because the exp share is so aggressive. I can't do anything challenging because then my party is going to be overleveled for everything else. It's shit design.
>HURR DURR POKEMON HAS NEVER BEEN CHALLENGING IN ANY WAY SO THIS IS FINE>THIS IS EXACTLY LIKE THE OLD GAMES ACTUALLY BECAUSE THE OLD GAMES WERE BEATABLE AND SO IS THIS
>>58204917Some level scaling and some actual reason to explore the world beside a random tm on a cliff would've make this game slightly less shittier, but i guess it really wanted its "shittiest mainline title" no matter what.
>>58205348No? You have to actively force yourself to catch a lvl50 mon. Stop pretending to be retarded.
>>58205259>Mela is a bit higher level, but only has 1 Pokémon + Star MobileBeating her still makes you overleveled for everything else.t. that happened in my playthrough
>>58205357>shittiest mainline titleThat will always be Sword & Shield.
>>58205352funny you screech about this while posting one of the genuinely challenging battles in the game that's very easy to stumble into underleveled
>>58204947>people complain the lack of level scaling makes you overleveled unless you follow the intended path >”people are using to things being easy???
>>58205094It's not Kanto fans who are whining about this. It's Unova fans who aren't used to Pokemon games having actual gameplay.
>>58204966I don’t think you understand how level scaling works
>>58205644>Genuinely challengingWater gun and spark in a game that feeds you tms like candy. It's hard if you stumble into it under leveled. Everything's hard of you do that. She does one clever thing which is having a Tera Electric with levitate. It will get you only if you expected to destroy her with a single ground type I guess. And yet you are right, Iono is still one of the hardest gyms in the game. That's so fucking sad.
I just make a new team for each area and then you need to keep some old ones as not everyone will be high enough for the new area. I end up training a box full of Pokemon so I can see them all and have a lot of options. This is how you're supposed to playAlso there's not a set order the game literally says leave West or East after you finish the tutorial and East is harder. Just go to the highest level area if you're so epic
>>58205352Imagine if Scarlet/Violet were good and that Bellibolt had a full moveset. It should know Slack Off and Thunder Wave or Mud Slap. A wild Bellibolt is stronger.
>>58205674>Water gun and spark in a game that feeds you tms like candyYou aren't guaranteed to have TMs that make the gym easy.>Everything's hard of you do that.Except in SV it's actually possible because the game is open world, unlike Gen 5 where you're funneled down a straight line and it's literally impossible to be underleveled unless you're playing like a retard on purpose.
>>58205685Gen 5 had the decency to not force Exp Share on you ,and playing like a retard on purpose just means not grinding. Literally any old game in the series is decently challenging if you don't grind. Not the forced Exp Share titles. GF thinks that their audience are babies, or that everyone else just won't care. Sadly it's true, you fucks ALL buy it anyway.
>>58205685So Scarlet Violet can be difficult. When you are under leveled. And you are always ALWAYS going to be either under or over leveled unless you follow the game's objectives in a very specific order in this open world game that's supposed to encourage the player to explore. So the game is always either too easy or too hard. But never too hard because of like enemies using specific moves or Pokemon, just too hard because they're so much higher level than you because you decided to explore the path that you didn't know would lead to a higher level encounter. That is so much fucking better than a smooth, consistent experience where the game starts off relatively easy and gradually gets tougher while you learn and collect more resources. You know like in an older Pokemon game or a game with level scaling. >You aren't guaranteed to have TMs that make the gym easyAre you guaranteed to have Pokemon that know more than two moves, you disingenuous cunt?
>>58204952In the real world theres not a scale, you go your own way in life and if you encounter hard things you go back and learn or get stronger or more skills and come back to it
>>58205700>And you are always ALWAYS going to be either under or over leveled unless you follow the game's objectives in a very specific order in this open world game that's supposed to encourage the player to explore.Yes. That's how levels are supposed to work in video games, anon. If you were meant to be the same level as everything the entire game then why the fuck would you implement levels in the first place?
>>58205707>If you were meant to be the same level as everything the entire game then why the fuck would you implement levels in the first place?To gate the Pokemon and moves made available to you.
>>58205703Okay that's real life but I wanna play a fucking video game where I don't ruin my experience by accidentally doing Star Faggot #3 before Gym Bitch #5.
>>58205712What's the point of gating Pokemon and moves if NPCs are perpetually going to also be using Pokemon and moves that are equally as strong?
>>58205707>How levels supposed to workLevels are supposed to work however the developer implements them, you retard. They did level scaling for the DLC so...?
>>58205717Many moves do different things.
>>58205703I hope you know that everyone you interact with irl thinks you are a cringelord
>>58205719>Levels are supposed to work however the developer implements them,Glad we agree the levels in SV are fine.>>58205721So?
You're being a retard on purpose again, yawnie. You can do better than this.
t. yawnfag
>>58205583Beating 1 strong trainer is not gonna make you overleveled. Half of your team should be dead anyway. If the rest got too much EXP, just box them for a bit.
>>58205724No, the developer chose to implement levels in a stupid way. The levels work how they are supposed to work. Which is badly. Level scaling would fix every issue. The kind of open world, find-your-own-path style doesn't work when the challenges are still designed in linear way. Scarlet is a linear game that was cut up and dropped around a sandbox. How come none of them gym leaders are same level at all if you want me to experiment fighting them in different orders?
>>58205741>Beating 1 strong trainer is not gonna make you overleveled.But it did. Always-on exp share ensures this.>bro just box your partyI had to for Iono, because I saved her for last.It's lame as fuck the game forces me to play it completely different from every prior game because they can't be fucked to give me the option to turn off a feature you previously could.
>>58205741Why can't I just turn off the EXP share?>Box them when they get overleveledYeah that works. It's also an inconvenient hassle. I have to constantly juggle my party members. You're describing the annoying shit I shouldn't have to do in order to make the game fun for me.
>>58205744>Level scaling would fix every issue.Just upward level scaling. There should still be an "intended" route. Although, a much more intelligently designed one than "go back and forth at random until you find the next place."
>>58205744>No, the developer chose to implement levels in a stupid wayThey implemented levels in a stupid way because levels actually have meaning now, unlike gen 5 where levels may as well not exist?>Level scaling would fix every issueIt wouldn't fix anything. It would just make levels a pointless mechanic and it would homogenize the entire game into being boring garbage.
>>58205759Did level scaling make the dlc pointless?
>>58205766The DLC doesn't have level scaling.
>>58205759Levels had meaning in BW because you actually had to use level up movesets. Level up movesets may as well not exist in SV. You're just gonna use Tms or remind them of moves whenever or teach them any egg move for free. The enemy trainers in Scarlet uses Level 40 Pokemon with moves that belong in Level 10s. None of the enemies ever act appropriate to their level or use the moves you would have at the same level.
>>58205772Yeah it does yo
You could do the gyms in reverse order? I haven't, it's an option.
>>58205776>Levels had meaning in BW because you actually had to use level up movesetsWhat use are level up movesets if the NPCs are also getting those same level up moves at the exact same rate?>>58205778No it doesn't.
>>58205654I don't think you know what level scaling is
>>58205782Yes it does. Enemies are at a higher level in postgame.
>>58205745>But it did.Beating Mela didn't make your mons have 5 level ups at once anon. It can't be the sole reason why you overleveled.>I had to for Iono, because I saved her for last.Weird to save a lvl27 gym leader for last but ok.>It's lame as fuck the game forces me to play it completely different from every prior game because they can't be fucked to give me the option to turn off a feature you previously could.Why do you refuse to adapt to change? It's a different game. Why do you want to play it the same way? Don't you get bored of doing the same thing over and over again?I liked it BECAUSE it forced me to play in a different way. The old formula got stale years ago.
>>58205782Well you see. You get moves when you level up. And you use them to attack enemies. And you can also predict what the enemy will do now based on their Pokemon because you have gained experience so you know Nidoran learns double kick and it's a bad idea to fight it with Rattata. What the fuck are you even talking about? What's the point? The point is different Pokemon learn different moves at different rates and that gives the game nuance. You have to keep Shroomish low level a long time to learn Spore and that's hard and it makes memorable experiences In Scarlet you have unlimited resources and space and don't have to take shit like that into account.Scarlet is one step away from not having a level up moveset, just having a big screen you pick from on evolution.
>>58205846yeah I’m thinking yawnchad’s still got it
>>58205846the picture that destroyed/vp/
>>58205802That's not level scaling.>>58205820>You get moves when you level up. And you use them to attack enemies. And you can also predict what the enemy will do now based on their Pokemon because you have gained experience so you know Nidoran learns double kick and it's a bad idea to fight it with Rattata.And what difference does this make when NPCs are also getting access to the exact same moves?> that gives the game nuanceHow is NPCs having the exact same tools as me nuance? It sounds more nuanced to have the NPCs at different challenge levels.
>>58205853Then what is it?
>>58205846KEK based
>>58205846Honestly though.
>>58205846The LV40 section, of course. Only a real Trainer challenges themself and their Pokémon!
>>58205094Notice how people aren't complaining about fighting stuff too strong, they're saying that if you go out of your way to fight tough opponents, you've now ruined the other parts of the game with weaker enemies because zero scaling means you'll have hour long chunks of gameplay where you just OHKO everything thanks to being 10 levels stronger because you had the audacity to go left instead of right from a town.Shame on you for trying to twist people's arguments like this, everyone likes the open world, the problem is the open world is not balanced even a little. The game needs to scale up with the player based off badges, if not random trainers and wild Pokemon, then at the very least the gym leaders and team star compounds.>>58205813NTA but Pokemon's gameplay isn't complex enuogh for EXP all to add anything worthwhile, and in fact it takes away from the experience because you're constantly at risk of steamrolling the game if you actually engage with it by fighting trainers and catching Pokemon.Your best options to let SV give you any sort of pushback are to>avoid everything>have a rotating team of EXP sponges to soak up all the EXP the game throws at youI can actually agree on the idea that having a rotating team is fun, because I hat rotating teams in PLA and liked it, but the combination of forced EXP all and no level scaling meant I was constantly rotating Pokemon out to the point where I could barely used my own starter since it was teetering on the same level as the next gym leader's ace just by sitting in the party. >I liked it BECAUSE it forced me to play in a different way. The old formula got stale years ago.I want to actually use the team I picked out, not be be forced to box them to prevent them from becoming complete battleships without ever actually hitting the field.Just because you don't want to use your Pokemon doesn't mean everyone should have to suffer.All this over something as simple as wanting an on/off switch Insanity.
>>58206243Yawnfag always misrepresents arguments to make any opinion opposing his sound bad.
