>>58206333
Its better for not making sense. The mystery and chaos lets it live in the mind longer.

>>58206333
Small indie geneticist, please understand

>>58206333
>Pokemon design decisions
>Making sense
Lol, this is the same series where SwSh had a dex cut and one of the justifications was "high quality models and animations" only for the models and most move animations to be recycled from previous games (the models themselves not getting an upgrade until PLA nearly 3 years later) and another justification being "game balance" in the same game that went on to introduce pre-nerf Zacian, Calyrex, Urshifu and then reintroduce Lando-T and Incineroar through the DLC.

>>58206333
Bloodmoon should have been a legendary

>>58206333
Every single Pokemon has Mew as a common ancestor, including Ultra Beasts and the Gods that exist above it.
Why are they all considered their own mons if they're just variants of Mew?

Volbeat and Illumise being different species

We found it, guys. We found the person even dumber than GF employes >>58206441

Just retconn everything at this point

>>58206333
bloodmoon has the same dex index as Ursaluna because it’s the last living Ursaluna

>>58207156
Nope, Ursaluna still exists. Perrin says they're uncommon, which is why she knows what an Ursaluna even is, implying the species is doing well somewhere in the Pokemon World, it's just an atypical find due to the fact it only really thrives in environment where peat blocks naturally form and exposure to the full moon is available.

>>58206413
What makes it not one?

>>58207160
>Ursaluna still exists
well yeah, as bloodmoon. Pure breed ursaluna meanwhile are all but dead thanks to their evolutions item no longer existing in modern time

>>58207192
>thanks to their evolutions item no longer existing in modern time
And where do you have proof of this? Where's the NPC or flavor text blurb that says that peat blocks completely disappeared from the Pokemon World after the Age of Hisui drew to a close?

>>58207197
> And where do you have proof of this
How do I evolve my ursaring in modern sinnoh? Or paldea? Or kitakami? Or even unova/the blueberry academy?

>>58207243
You don't, because they want you to buy Legends: Arceus or trade with a player who owns Legends: Arceus in order to obtain Ursaluna. Your question isn't in-universe reasoning, it's meta reasoning for why you can't get Ursaluna natively in those games. There are absolutely biomes somewhere in the Modern Pokemon World where peat blocks naturally form, it's just that for gameplay reasons, none of these are available to you, therefore you can't get Ursaluna without transfer or trade.
What I'm asking for is the in-universe proof that peat blocks completely disappeared from the Pokemon World after the Age of Hisui drew to a close, not your headcanon derived from a dogshit anime special that wasn't allowed to properly market Legends: Arceus because GameFreak wanted to keep its worldbuilding close to its chest, and thus couldn't actually depict the Hisui Pokemon outside of flashbacks, which gave birth to the extremely unfortunate headcanon that Hisui mons "went extinct" that's somehow, to this day, still popular with retards like you.

>>58207259
>GF establish some easy to understand lore and stick to it instead of retconing it like a inferior franchise would do
>this cause anon to scream and seethe about them supposedly being greedy because of it for some reason

>>58206333
You’re mistaking headcanon for canon again.

>>58207678
They didn't establish shit. Hisuian Extinction is pure headcanon drivel that's continually been disproven by GameFreak themselves after the anime's pure mishandling of the BDSP/PLA Special created the headcanon.
Remember when you were swearing up and down White-Striped Basculin was extinct, only for it to have existed just fine in Kitakami?
Remember when you were swearing up and down that, even though the Basculin fact meant some mons were in fact alive, mons like Overqwil were extinct because the Strong and Agile Styles were a lost art of battling, only for Indigo Disk to make it so Hisuian Qwilfish simply evolved by using Barb Barrage normally?
Again. I beseech you, dear anonymous, point me towards an official, canonical statement from an in-universe perspective. NPC dialogue or flavor text blurbs, that explicitly says peat blocks completely disappeared from the Pokemon World after the Age of Hisui drew to a close.

>>58207243
>How do I evolve my x in y
Could you please retire this autism.

>>58208020
why did you bring up white basculin when it’s not a hisuian form?

>>58208085
Because prior to Kitakami, it was a form you could only find in Hisui, it just wasn't called "Hisuian Basculin" because it's simply another striped variant that, for some reason, has the potential to evolve, and in doing so, gains its coloration.

>>58208088
Adding onto this, the nature of whether or not Basculin is another variant or a full-blown regional form is also highly debated in-universe, starting with Laventon's published research where he considers it to be Hisuian Basculin.

>>58208088
>cry about headcanon
>while making up his own headcanon
bro you’re weird

>>58208088
>>58208094
the violet dex entry actually imply it might be a galarian bird situation and that white stripes and r/B stripes aren’t even the same species and are actually convergent of one another

>>58208096
But it's the exact same logic that goes behind your question of "How do I get Ursaluna in [insert games where it's not obtainable]?".
If we were talking about White Striped Basculin prior to the release of The Teal Mask, you would have asked me "How do I get White Stripe Basculin in Paldea or Modern Sinnoh?" and use that as a "gotcha" that favors the extinction headcanon.
Also, I'm still waiting for an official, canonical statement from an in-universe perspective, whether from NPC dialogue or flavor text blurbs, that explicitly says peat blocks completely disappeared from the Pokemon World after the Age of Hisui drew to a close.

>>58208037
tbf it’s hard to not be extinct when the only reason you exist(aka some super rare magical mud/rock that cause another mon to turn into you) stop existing.

>>58206333
>the "Bloodmoon Beast" is canonically an Ursaluna modified by unique specific conditions but still counts as just an Ursaluna
make another specific condition "evolution" akin to raichu vs A-raichu

>>58207163
somehow he still can breed, but the bloodmoonie thingie cannot be inherited

>>58207243
>Or paldea? Or kitakami? Or even unova/the blueberry academy?
blame GF for this particular brainfart

>>58207243
>how do I evolve my marowak into alolan marowak.... in frlg?

>>58207243
>if my player can't find this specific object then it surely does not exist right?
I guess dynamax bands, Z-rings and key stones conveniently stopped existing by the time Sonia published her book. Luckily megas popped back into existence by the time Z-A releases huh? Tera Orbs magically disappeared tho

>>58208301
>being able to breed is what make bloodmoon Ursaluna not legendary
Spiky eared Pichu, cosplay Pikachu, Ash's Pikachu (iirc), Ash-Greninja and Eternal Floette can't breed, does that make them legendaries?

>>58206333
it makes perfect sense and you're pants-on-head-retarded if you don't get it
>genetically different from mew since it's still an imperfect clone, plus scientists meddling with it's genes
>basically an evolution with conditions so rare nobody has ever saw it happen
>cyborg created by plasma team, so much derived from the base form that it has become a brand new being
>three separate beings defined from each other that count as one happens all the time in pokemon
>retarded argument that doesn't even make sense
>actually true

>still a pichu for all intents and purposes
>literally a female pikachu but clever, imagine going on /vp/ and not knowing female pikachus have a different tail
>just a floette that gained immortality if it makes you happy she may or may not have her own unique dex entry
>arguably true but it's still essentially an ursaluna affected by a different phenomenon, not derived enough to be considered it's own mon
tl:dr go suck dicks at the pokèranch

>>58208605
>muh clone
Mewtwo was introduced as literally a pokemon Mew gave birth to.

>an evolution
So you understand Diancie shouldn't be a mythical since it evolves from a normal pokemon? Your argument lasted two lines, retard

>>58208605
>"it changes a lot" is an argument here, but not here!
>also trying to diss people for not knowing about female Pikachu tail while not knowing yourself the female Pikachu tail IS different from cosplay Pikachu's
Japanese have killed themselves for less than this embarrassing display of retardation

>>58208616
>as literally a pokemon Mew gave birth to.
Metaphorically gave birth. Mew would not be a Mythical Pokemon whose existence is debated if Fuji and his crew managed to trap a Mew long enough to inject its womb full of experimental bullshit and constantly recombine its fetus's genetic code until it shat out an abomination with bloodlust. Instead, Mewtwo is simply known to be "based on" DNA that's alleged to be Mew, and its disposition and appearance drastically are exactly the kind of shit you'd see be grown in a lab.

All the Pokemon you mentioned (besides the BW trio) as being seperate species are ones that have multiples in existance. There are canonically multiple Genesects, Mewtwos, I’m sure more than one Carbink became a Diancie, etc. etc.

There is only ONE Bloodmoon Ursaluna, only ONE Cosplay Pikachu, one Spiky, and one AZ Floette canonically. Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem are one of a kind, each has a distinct piece of the OG dragon. Two wills, and a husk body, all sentient on their own, just as unique as Zacian and Zamazenta being one of a kind.

Are you retarded by chance, OP?

>>58208629
And even then, no Pokemon is truly "one of a kind" when Pokemon is canonically a multiverse franchise. There's a hypothetical infinite number of all Pokemon, including those who should only exist on a "one per universe" basis, thanks to the fact Pokemon has enough sci-fi elements that interdimensional travel is an easy feat to turn any one universe into a supercenter for god knows how many instances of those "one of a kind" species.

>>58208627
>the scientists' records just said they obtained their test subject "metaphorically" by birth!
Stopped reading here.

>>58208632
Missing the point entirely. Yes it’s a multiverse but only one of those pokemon exists in said multiverse, hence them being labelled one of a kind and staying their species names in said universe. As far as any singular person in Sca/Vio knows Bloodmoon Ursaluma is a singular being that is just a weird Ursaluna.

>>58208642
In said branch the multiverse***

>>58208637
Why is Mew a Mythical Pokemon whose existence is debated if Fuji's crew, again, trapped a Mew long enough to run experiments on its offspring and mutate it into an abomination? Wouldn't that feat be worth immediate publicity, even if it came with the controversies surrounding Mewtwo (who Oak already knows about, by the way, his Pokedex doesn't pull that info out of its ass, he quite literally went out there and researched it himself and programmed it into the dex) because it's worth overlooking for the sake of "HOLY SHIT, THE COMMON ANCESTOR OF ALL POKEMON IS REAL!"

>>58208647
>Why did the evil scientists hide their horrific experiments on a literal last of it’s kind creature in a world where said creatures are celebrated?
Oh gee idk? It’s almost like him taking care of stray Pokemon is him atoning for horrifically impregnating Mew

>>58208629
>>58208642
>what makes them legendary/mythical is how they are less rare than these non-legendary/mythical pokemon (based on my headcanon)
Where are the other Diancie? And the other Genesect (in canon, not the anime)? And why the tao trio doesn't count other than because it fuck ups the dumb shit you tried to pass as an argument? Also you know unless the player goes his way to evolve a Type Null there's only one Silvally in existence right?
Not to mention if spiky Pichu and cosplay Pikachu are confirmed to be unique simply because we have only seen one then Genesect (in canon) and Diancie are also unique.

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>>58208629
>>58208657
Also official art implies cosplay Pikachu isn't unique either btw but I guess the argument is changed back to "it's not legendary because it's not rare enough" even when you originally claimed being unique is what made them not worth of being called mythical/legendary so you effectively has no argument

>>58208653
And again, Oak knows about Mewtwo. You can fill your Pokedex to 149, and he'll go "nuh-uh, it's not a completed Pokedex yet" because he knows you're missing that lab-grown freak chilling in Cerulean Cave.
If Oak knows about Mewtwo, and in this case it's LITERALLY Mew's child, which means Fuji and co. LITERALLY trapped and tortured both Mew and its offspring by performing unspeakable genetic experiments on its unborn child, he'd HAVE to know about Mew as well, and thus he'd still go "nope, still not complete" if you had 150.
But no, he says your dex is complete if you get 150, because Mew is a Pokemon whose very existence is debated so strongly that most are of the belief that it simply does not exist, including Oak, the leading authority on Pokemon research, and Mewtwo only gets its namesake because the story is that the DNA used to create this artificial lifeform allegedly came from a Mew sample found in the Guyana Jungles.

>>58208647
>Mew can be a mythical despite having scientific records about it but giving birth in front of the scientists who found it? IMPOSSIBLE

>>58208657
>Where are the other Diancie
Assumedly out in the world, being mythical. Do you think ONE coal made ONE diamond in world history?

>And the other Genesect (in canon, not the anime)?
18 drives exist for it, like Silvally. It was never only one.

>And why the tao trio doesn't count other than because it fuck ups the dumb shit you tried to pass as an argument?
Almost all the box legends are one of a kind in canon, they’re literally pillars of the world in some cases. The entire plot of BW is how there’s only one of each of them and they determine Unovas fate

> Also you know unless the player goes his way to evolve a Type Null there's only one Silvally in existence right?
You literally are told not to enter a room by Gladion because there are more type nulls in there, and you’re fucking handed one as a gift you retard

>>58208668
And that's not even getting into the fact that the Aether Foundation's data canonically leaked at some point, which is how someone in Galar managed to make their own Null/Silvally just so they can give it to (You) in the SWSH Postgame.

>stupid headcanon about Oak
Mew is recorded in official documents of famous scientists, their lead being buddies with a gym leader even. I don't know why you think giving birth conflicts with this but that's how it is.

>>58208670
>m-muh headcanons
Damn, so Oak actually goes "whoa, holy shit Red, you did it, you completed your Pokedex! Outstanding!!!" if you bring him a dex with only 149 caught species registered? I don't remember that happening when I was completing the dex in Gen 1.

>>58208668
>assumedly
So headcanon. Didn't need to read the rest then, Diancie is as unique as bloodmoon Ursaluna, spiky Pikachu, cosplay Pikachu etc etc.

>>58208665
Baby’s first ludonarrative dissonance. The Pokedex is written on the spot, otherwise why the fuck would Oak want you to catch them if he wrote them all out already? You realize catching new adds a magical new entry right making it 151

Guys, he just said Genesect has 18 drives. He's either a shitposter or a literal retard, don't pay attention to him.

>>58208675
>Oak wanting you to catch a sub product of Mew means Mew isn't known
Your headcanon makes no sense.

>>58208680
How would Oak know when you have a completed Pokedex if he didn't already reach a conclusion on how many Pokemon are currently known in the world? Again, you can catch 149, which explicitly excludes Mewtwo and Mew in this scenario, and he'll tell you that your Pokedex isn't complete yet.

>>58208683
Again, Mewtwo is a LAB GROWN ARTIFICIAL LIFEFORM. Its DNA was ALLEGEDLY comprised of samples found from Mew. Not DEFINITIVELY comprised of Mew samples, ALLEGEDLY.
If Oak's lifelong dream is to fully complete the Pokedex, then Mew would be the most important part of that dream, the ultimate capture in the entire Pokemon World. But he calls a Pokedex with everything but Mew "complete" and tells you that you've done the job, despite the fact he would know DAMN GOOD AND WELL you're missing the most important piece of the encyclopedic puzzle.

>>58208678
>Didnt need to read the rest
Because you’re wrong and I accept your concession don’t worry

>>58208684
Again, this is what’s called ludonarrative dissonance. The game was programmed with 151 pokemon in it, but your imagination should tell you there are dozens of undiscovered pokemon all around the Kanto region you just can’t see. Paldea exists in your RBY cartridges world, you just can’t go there.

>>58208688
You realize that the 150th spot could have been FOR MEW right? Like, he assumed Mew but you catch Mewtwo.

>>58208688
>again [anime bullshit]
Mewtwo is Mew's child. And in both cases, its existence confirms Mew's.
>no no no you see Oak just thinks Mewtwo came out of somewhere not necessarily Mew!
Cute headcanon but we have actual records of Mew's birth so you lose.

>>58208681
You know full well what I meant, discs, drives, whatever, you should assume the finished product of a lab grown creature is one of many.

>>58208691
>because you are wrong
No, because you already confirmed you base which pokemon are unique and which one aren't based on your feelings, retardo. Diancie isn't unique because you feel like it, cosplay Pikachu is unique because you feel like it, you are right because you feel like it.

>>58208695
>discs drives whatever
Only 4 "drives, discs, whatever" exist for Genesect, UNLIKE with Silvally, shitposter. Kill yourself.

>>58208692
So why isn't it the other way around, then? Mew the Legendary who's apparently butt buddies with fucking everyone in the Pokemon World and was sucking dick for crack on the daily until Red stepped out of his house to start his journey, and Mewtwo the Mythical whose entire existence is kept under heavy wraps because of the atrocities committed to bring this godless life into the world, and those who know are those responsible and they would rather take that secret to the grave than ever let the world know what they've done.

>>58208696
Cosplay Pikachu is unique because it’s the only Pikachu we’ve ever seen with a striped tail. What would you call it? Tailichu? You’re retarded. If one Carbink can become a Diancie, there’s precedent than many can under similr circumstances. Cosplay Pikachu is just a weird tail mutation that is functionally a fully normal Pikachuz

>>58208701
>Telling someone to kill themselves
You’re mad you lost, thank you for your concession resident /vp/ turboautist

>>58208702
This is schizo babble. If Mew is Pokemons ancestor, there are multiple alive at any given point. They caught ONE, made it give horrific birth, and then the creation escaped. But the Mewtwo in XY is not the same as the Cinnabar one, meaning multiple Mew got pregnant.

>>58208712
>Multiple Mew got pregnant
You can give birth to multiple children, anon

>>58208702
Also the Pokedex itself is writing the entries. Pokemon are stored as data in the balls presumably, and the Pokedex studies that data and spits out a blurb.

>>58208714
Either or, the point remains. Canonically you find a Mew on faraway island, and it’s definitely not the one they caught and experimented on if it’s free.

>>58208705
>it's unique because we have seen only one
So Diancie is unique.
>b-b-but they COULD be more Diancie!
And there could be more cosplay Pikachu. In fact there are >>58208662
Your feelings don't matter, you are wrong.

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>>58206333
In Hisui Ursaluna are just a standard Pokemon. In the modern era it's canonically extinct, therefore in the modern era Ursaluna actually is a legendary Pokemon, so it keeps the name despite being a variant because it is the only one.

>>58208712
>ignores the part that exposes his shitposting again
So you stopped pretending to be a human being worth my time? Good. Yup, you can kill yourself now, think about the imaginary 16 drives you made up as you die, it will make you feel better.

>>58208720
Raging Bolt, Gouging Fire, Iron Crown and Iron Boulder aren't considered Legendaries despite being one-of-a-kind, though.
Yet somehow, Koraidon and Miraidon are, despite being "lesser" due to there being two at any given time.

>>58208720
>In the modern era it's canonically extinct
We are explicitly told they are rare, never extinct.

>>58208719
There could be, sure, but you get one Cosplay Pikachu gridlocked to one game FOREVER because it canonically can’t leave the region it’s in. We’ll be getting Diancies for the rest of time, possibly catching them in game too. Diancie is different enough from carbink to warrant being an evolution and it has a mega stone.

>>58208722
This one actually is just weird. I stand on the fact that Koraidon and Miraidon should not be classified as legendary Pokemon but they did it because they were mindbrokenly conditioned into Pokemon on box-art = must be legendary

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>>58208723
Now, Anon's next line is...
>"How do I evolve Ursaring into Ursaluna in Modern Sinnoh, Paldea, Kitakami or Blueberry Academy/Unova?"

>>58208721
I assumed Genesect had the same type spread as Silvally, but my point remains that there are mutliple items for mutliple Genesect. ALL of this is headcanon anyway because shit like Dynamax Adventures and Hoopa Rings destroys lore.

>>58208728
>I assumed
Yes, we know you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about, you just fill the incredibly wide gaps of your knowledge with assumptions, like having multiple Genesect (in the games, not the anime) just because you can use multiples drives on them.
That's why you are subhuman and should disappear now.

>>58208724
>no you see, what makes Diancie mythical is how it can move to other places like nearly every single pokemon ever!
>It can megaevolve but a normal Carink can't that makes it mythical, please ignore E-Floette is already leaked to have a megaevo unlike normal Floettes/Florges!

>>58208738
>the Pokemon who was directly exposed to Infinity Energy and permanently altered by it has a Mega Evolution, of which requires Mega Stones which are known byproducts of using Infinity Energy
Wow, who would've thought?

>>58208572
Someone hasn't kept up with Champions

>>58208767
>noncanon spinoff

>>58208769
>implying no new Pokémon tied to Champions to force you to play it

>>58208743
>no you see, this specific Floette is a mutant and can megaevolve, that's why it's the same species as before, unlike this specific Carbink that mutated and can megaevolve and is then considered a different species, Diancie!

Well because most of these examples the mons are genetically different enough to be classified differently. The only one you have a point for is Silvally.

>>58208767
With this >>58207243 retard logic Champions just spawned all gimmicks back but in each separate game the previous gimmicks don't exist, only the current ones.

>>58208722
>>58208726
Then it would just mean that only those specific ones came in and that Koraidon/Miraidon are like Bloodmoon Ursaluna, they're literally the only ones in existence.

>>58206333
>>Mimikyu is canonically some other pokemon changed by human customs


The fuck are you schizoing about? Mimikyu is literally Mimikyu. It just wears Pikachu sack. Obviously, it's kinda awkward for entire specie to have a grudge towards Pikachu specifically and all of them finding old Pikachu plushies to disembowel and use as outfit but... ehh... suspension of disbelief or some shit.

>>58206333
>scientists
only one

>>58207243
BBC

You want actual stupid stuff because of game mechanics.

>Prof. Oak doesn't have a single mon in the Pokedex he made despite it being his dream and despite him having his own Mons and knowing various individuals such as Agatha personally
>Prof. Oak/Elm apparently have never seen or had an egg in the entire existence of Pokemon or their personal lives despite the odds of that at the frequency it happens is insane
>Evolution is a mixture of Evolution, Metamorphosis, Aging, etc. There's no actual distinction between them and they're all lumped as Evolution
>Mew comes after Mewtwo despite canonically being discovered first
>Mega Stones in general don't make sense given that these events would have either had to happen recently or they carry such weirdly specific radiation that it seems cosmically designed by Arceus (especially since one of them is Mewtwo who is man-made)
>The fact that new types are even discovered despite them having properties designed to hurt and resist other types, it should be obvious out the gate what they all are within a day of testing, then a few months/years of testing to determine all species types.
>The fact that radiation is wildly different in Pokemon: They evolve/metamorphosis, they mega, they obtain z-moves, they can become an entirely new sentient creature, nothing happens, etc.
>Humans can be psychic, boxers, normal, etc. and were once not different from Pokemon and would marry, would imply that every Pokemon will eventually hit a weird sentient human like stage where it's classified as a 'special animal' or that somehow humans became radiated and just had a magically different reaction compared to everything else
>The fact that Ghost Pokemon are even a thing, let alone that some of them used to be human or inhabit objects
>Objects becoming sentient or objects being based on said sentient Pokemon in the first place
Pokemon doesn't make sense, it's a game about collecting monsters and doing challenges, it's not that deep.

>>58208913
>Evolution is a mixture of Evolution, Metamorphosis, Aging, etc. There's no actual distinction between them and they're all lumped as Evolution
>Mew comes after Mewtwo despite canonically being discovered first
Oak addresses these on the Gen 2 zukan

>especially since one of them is Mewtwo who is man-made
Confirmed for not getting either Mewtwo lore nor mega stone lore

>>58208918
The Oak stuff is fine, it's still just ultimately called Evolution however. Also the Mewtwo stuff would be fine if they just said Mega Stones have a specific radiation to them (which they do), but that they're named based on what the radiation specifically affects, and Mewtwo just happens to be one of them for instance. Now that is the logical conclusion. The problem is, and this is also for Charizard, is they have two of them. The odds of that are so insanely high that it's ridiculous. Even if you want to go the route that Mewtwo's two stones are from more recent meteorites, but that implies there are tons of megas we haven't discovered (which is the case with Z-A), but there should theoretically depending on how often they fall and for how many years, theoretically there should be vastly more megas.

Also if we're gonna argue the point of Mewtwo being man-made rather than a birth, then it still doesn't stop the fact that it's genetically altered and a meteorite intended for Mew happens to radiate those exact genetic sequences not once, but twice.

>>58208927
>The odds of that are so insanely high that it's ridiculous
The odds of a mon having one is already ridiculous, if you bought that, you're already too deep in.
Not to mention Mewtwo is at least only one step away from the common ancestor of all pokemon.

>if you want to go the route that Mewtwo's two stones are from more recent meteorites
There's no reason to even consider that if you actually get what mega stones are, which you already explained.

> meteorite intended for Mew
What meteorite intended for Mew? Did you just watch a poketuber theory?

>any pokemon
>being unique
lol

>>58208936
>The odds of a mon having one is already ridiculous, if you bought that, you're already too deep in.
Agreed, it's already a ridiculous notion by that note, which is why I said they seem cosmically designed by Arceus or something else.
>Not to mention Mewtwo is at least only one step away from the common ancestor of all pokemon.
I'd argue it's more considering it does look drastically different from Mew despite its similarities too of course.
>What meteorite intended for Mew? Did you just watch a poketuber theory?
It was more just an example because of their similar genetics that in most cases it should realistically affect Mew too but it doesn't, meaning the radiation is specifically affecting whatever humans altered for Mewtwo rather than Mew itself. But you have this problem with a lot of stuff, look at Mega Venusaur. It's line is more about aging than evolution, especially since the flower on its back is a Rafflesia, an actual flower, that's just aging with it. So theoretically Mega Stones should affect Bulbasaur and Ivysaur too, but they don't. Which implies that its specific radiation only affects some specific thing when its fully grown. So going back to the Mewtwo/Mew argument, it means this radiation is so specific that it can pinpoint different stages of life, whether it be age, genetic alteration, etc. And as you pointed out, is already ridiculous in the first place, let alone that it happens multiple times.

The point at the end of the day is, Mega Stones/Radiation in Pokemon is also stupid and makes no sense, just suspend the disbelief on a lot of inconsistent and silly shit in Pokemon, it's again, not that deep.

>>58208913
The second point is interesting because it got retconned hard in HGSS.
In GSC we can find in Elm's home PC and small Essay written by him. He questions from where Pokemon came from and that scientists never saw a Pokemon egg. He's also genuinely shocked to see one and kinda freaks out about it.
In HGSS there's no PC in Elm's house and he says that Mr.Pokemon's discovery is "just an egg" but will want to check it, anyway. He's more intrigued later because apparently Togepi is not a Pokemon that normally can be found in Johto.

>>58206333
Ursaluna is such a fucking joke compared to Bloodmoon

>>58208995
anon that’s the point
>one is a normal pokémon
>the other is a pay to win dlc exclusive mon

>>58208105
He cant give a reason that's why. Pokemon can literally make a fucking region in the future where peat bogs exist en masse, but because they don't exist YET, the retard thinks it means total extinction.

>>58208876
>Mimimkyu is genetically altered by covering itself in human made toys
>Genesect is genetically altered by adding mechanic parts to it
>Diancie is genetically altered by being a mutant Carbink that megaevolves but AZ Floette isn't genetically different despite being a mutant Floette that megaevolves
>spiky eared Pikachu isn't genetically altered despite having its biology changed so much it not only looks different but also can't possibly breed or evolve

>>58208927
Megastones don't come from space you fucking retard, they are irradiated rocks that may or may not be originally meteorites

>>58208990
No duh. Togepi and it's line are considered sinnoh based which didn't exist in the GSC era but did exist in the HGSS era, so it makes sense for Elm to not know anything about eggs to not knowing where THIS particular egg came from in terms of winding up in Johto.

Corphish and Meltan are said to come from an unknown region that I fully expect them to reckon if the region is ever revealed.

>>58209081
I dont know if you failed school or not but meteorites are from space retard so saying they may or may not means that yes they could of POTENTIALLY come from space.

>>58209090
>if some of the rocks that become megastones on Earth are from space and other rocks that become megastones are already from Earth then that means megastones originally come from space!!!
I can tell you didn't fail school, for sure. You clearly weren't even schooled

>>58209085
>he doesn't know Corphish is from Kitakami

>>58209105
Once again retard, and I know comprehension is hard, but POTENTIALLY.

Do you know what that word means retard-kun? It means there's a chance, there's no absolute yes or no until pokemon confirms. So calm your retarded autism down and stop acting like you know something that not even the series has confirmed yet. Are you also going to argue that pokemon like Cleffa and Staryu are absolutely earth based pokemon because you can only find them on earth?

>>58209129
Anon I know you are very stupid and that makes you feel really smart, but no, megastones aren't potentially from space because megastones don't fall from space. Rocks fall from space. And rocks, regardless of origin (Earth or space) can transform into something different (megastones) here.
To say megastones are potentially from space because a meteorite can transform into a megastone is like saying lava is potentially from space because you can melt a meteorite.

>>58209064
>Mimimkyu is genetically altered by covering itself in human made toys
Mimikyu is the black creature inside of it, it doesn't become Mimikyu because it puts on a shoddy Pikachu costume.
>Genesect is genetically altered by adding mechanic parts to it
Genesect is the name of the original species, they didn't give it a new name because of a bunch of metal.
>>Diancie is genetically altered by being a mutant Carbink that megaevolves but AZ Floette isn't genetically different despite being a mutant Floette that megaevolves
Because Floette to AZ Floette is like a baby Human becoming a Pre-Teen Human, Carbink to Diancie is like if a Rock became a Donkey. There are differences in genetics enough to make a distinction.
>>spiky eared Pikachu isn't genetically altered despite having its biology changed so much it not only looks different but also can't possibly breed or evolve
Again, its not genetically different enough to warrant a different classification. Also Mules are a really good example of this. While sure they have their own specific name, they are not considered a different species at all solely because they can't breed, just like Spiky Eared Pikachu.

>>58206333
Simple, it depends on that region's professor to input the data into the pokedex. each professor simply has their own preference/thinking. so, human error in the pokemon world.

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For the record
>にっき 2がつ6か ミュウが こどもをうむ うまれたばかりの ジュニアを ミュウツーとよぶことに..... (Diary February 6th, Mew gave birth to a child. I've called this newborn junior newborn Mewtwo...)
Mewtwo was never said to be a clone or anything like that in the game, it was just Mew's child. A violent, too powerful child, but just that, like if Manaphy's Phione was extremely powerful and vicious

>>58209146
This has been retconned since Eggs, and this line is even removed in some instances. Even if you wanted to still go that route, then Mew should have a Mega too that works off the Mewtwo Mega Stone.

>>58209173
>retconned since eggs
FRLG also says Mewtwo is Mew's child.
>if Mew's child has a mega then Mew should have it too
Why? Phione and Manaphy are different so why couldn't Mewtwo and Mew be?

>>58209137
>it doesn't become Mimikyu by being a mimic
>Genesect is Genesect even before the alterations!
>[insane mental gymnastics not even worth making fun off]
>these are too similar to count!
lmao

>>58209205
Yes and FRLG are the only exceptions, everything else never mentions Mew giving birth again. And Phione is just a Child version of Teenage Manaphy. They're very similar, genetically it's fine for them to be different, you wouldn't have the exact same genetics anyway, at least in ideal situations. But if a Mega Stone affects lets say Phione and Mewtwo as an example. That means it's affecting one of two things, either the Father and/or Mother's genetics. If it's affecting both, then it should affect Manaphy/Mew and whatever the other parent is (lets just say Venusaur/Charizard). But we don't see that as the case, so its only affecting one parent. So in Mewtwo's case it's not affecting Mew, but it's affecting the other parent's genes, which may or may not have a Mega, we have no idea. But also that isn't how genetics works, so it throws all this into the gutter. Mew should have a Mega (and probably will get one), and in this scenario Phione and Manaphy both should have a mega.

>>58209243
>>it doesn't become Mimikyu by being a mimic
It means it was discovered already Mimicking something, and was named based on what it was doing. Ie: Anteaters. It's named after being discovered for what it's doing.
>Genesect is Genesect even before the alterations!
Yes, the term Genetic and Insect are pretty common words, and given it's age could be the genetic ancestor for all Bug Types, or at least assumed to be so.
>[insane mental gymnastics not even worth making fun off]
Good job missing the entire point is that there is enough genetic distinction between one and not the other to classify them as separate species.
>these are too similar to count!
Yeah that's literally how classifying animals, species, subspecies, etc. works. If they're too similar or having certain issues such as being sterile or they're hybrids, they're generally considered to only be different species based on genetic diversity and branches.

Humans have a variety of differences, some have spikey hair, some do not, some have dark brown skin, others have different eyelids, etc. They are not different subspecies, just because someone is irradiated or mutated, they aren't a different species. There are classifications and differences enough to be categorized differently even in Pokemon.

>>58209245
>the only exceptions are the canon games
What did he mean by this?
>headcanon about Phione, mothers and fathers
No thanks nobody cares about your theories. Also funny enough even in your dumb headcanon of child and teenage versions of pokemon we have pokemon that lose the capacity to megaevolve when they grow up (Kangaskhan can't megaevolve, the baby does. Once that baby becomes a full grown up Kangaskhan it's her future child the one that will megaevolve instead) so even in your asinine headcanon of Phione being a Manaphy that has yet to grow up it could still have an exclusive mega like Mewtwo does

Pokemon is dumb made up stuff over the course of 30 years, stop taking it so seriously.

>>58209261
>yeah my argument is just "these aren't different enough okay?!" even when that's factually wrong and we have shit like Type Null and Silvally being different species while the two Floette, way more different from eachother, are considered the same
Good job, retard
Also
>they aren't different just for being irradiated or mutated!
Diancie. You are such a fucking retard

>>58206333
>Pokemon has alternate form or another species made out of it
yes and?

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>>58209137
Genesect is a Kabutops albeithoughever

>>58209287
NTA but I always believed this theory. Genesect is just a Kabutops that fully adapted to land and evolved. They were both alive 300 million years ago after all, and Pokemon evolution is fucking magic bullshit anyway despite what Kabutops entry says.

>>58209283
>taking your helmet off and getting your shit together is a new species
>becoming bigger, stronger, changing your spread, colors and learning new moves (basically an evolucion in other cases) isn't a new species, just an alt form

>>58209305
all gen 5 Pokemon are remixes of gen 1
genesect is kabutops + mewtwo

>>58209309
>two identical beetles are different species
>all dogs are one species
yes and?

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>>58209311
>>58209322
Wrong, he's clearly Lickitung.

>>58206333

what pokemon do you mean when you refer to the cosplay and time traveller rats?

>>58209314
>a beetle and the same beetle with a hat that makes it slower are different species
>the same changes that are an evolution in other cases isn't an evolution here
Yeah nothing wrong with this

>>58209335
cosplay pikachu and spiky-eared pichu

>>58209335
Newfriend...

>>58209342
>a beetle and the same beetle with a hat that makes it slower are different species
you mean silvally? well, it's a new species becuae it will change from type null and wont go back

>>58209387
You know Type Null wasn't born with the helmet right? It was put there later. It's a beetle without a helmet, than then gets a heavy helmet that makes it slow, and when you two become best friends he breaks his hat and that makes it a new species.

>>58209387
>>58209401
The fuck you guys mean Silvally is a beetle. How high are you?

>>58208020
You guys keep forgetting that extinction in Pokemon works only BY REGION.

>>58209435
>what is a simile what are you guys talking about???

>>58209887
We don't take kindly to you literary types round these parts

unrelated but I liked cosplay Pikachu, I miss her and she should have been kept for future games, at least as reminder of contests

>>58209401
It is only in lore, you can't devolve it

>>58210275
>the player can't do it but it's canonically a thing
So your argument is...?

>>58210289
that they're considered separate species by in-universe scientists

>>58210326
Yeah that's the thing, putting or removing a helmet is, by Pokemon rules, an evolution. You understand what's wrong now or do I have to explain it to you?

>>58210360
So? Pidgey evolves by getting bigger

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>>58210406
Pidgey's body, his biology, changes beyond being just bigger. Type Null-Silvally gets a helmet and then breaks it when you become its friend.

>>58210477
Do you think Magnemite changes its biology too?

>>58210514
Magneton is a fusion and it's still way heavier than three Magnemite somehow, way more significant than putting a helmet on

>>58208581
Yes.

I'd bet my right nut that Type Null and Silvally are counted as separate pokemon despite being the same creature cause it's a permanent form change. Which is what an evolution is anyway, so they made it an evo

>>58211304
Evolution isn't even permanent in canon, Slowbro can revert to Slowpoke anytime

>>58206333
Bump

>>58209401
No, anon. Type:Null needs the helmet because it's a fucking genetic mess that's out of control without it. When you befriend it, it mentally stabilizes and evolves into a fixed version of itself, which no longer needs the helmet.

Except in the anime, where Type:Null is literally just Silvally with a helmet.

>>58213142
Anon Type Null and Silvally stats are the same except for speed, because by removing the heavy helmet he can now move normally
It's canonically the same motherfucker with or without a hat