Team Rocket edition/padt/ is completely dominated by Horizons chat. Talk about the 1,339 original series episodes and associated 23 movies here without butting into and disrupting the discussion of Horizons.>Pokémon TV on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@OfficialPoke%CC%81monTVPrevious: >>58197104
>>58208109Is this the actual /padt/ (the one before SuMo) or is this being made by the same faggots who watch horizon?
>>58208109Dub is the superior version to watch. Who cares about some nothing burger parts that get lost in the translation?
/ptsd/ #1: Exploratory edition: >>58112297/ptsd/ #2: Angry Ash edition: >>58179130/ptsd/ #3: Fried Karp edition: >>58197104An anon on the previous thread >>58205390 brought up the good point that we should start numbering these before we lose track so I've done that.This thread is /ptsd/ #4I'm unsure about the 1,339 count of episodes cited in the OP but I decided to leave it as is for now. The exact count of episodes depends on whether the people counting are including banned and/or unaired episodes or ones that for any other reason are sometimes left out of the count.
>>58208114So far it's mostly been the former, people who used to post on the pre-SM /padt/. That seems to be the vibe of the past few threads.I'm not the anon who made the original 2 threads but it appears to originate from outside the current /padt/
>>58208116The dub is the only version that's fully complete. The ashnime has never been fulled subtitled.
7th for BOOBUR
>>58208116Pokemon really is that rare case where the dub is better than the sub.
>>58208179Your nostalgia autism is not the same as quality.
appreciate the idea of the thread but cant stand that TPCI have tried to rebrand the older seasons of the show as "Pokemon the Series" when they were never called that at the time, and thus cannot approve of the thread's title
>>58208142Nah, there's way too much newfaggotry here for that.
>>58208226Misty is only tolerable in the dub
>Dub vs sub catfights again>MetafaggotryWhat's the point in a seperate thread if you're dragging the cancer here with you?
>>58208234>cant stand that TPCI have tried to rebrand the older seasons of the show as "Pokemon the Series" when they were never called that at the timeI don't like it either but it's not as recent a phenomenon as it may seem at first glance. It's old news and nothing new. They started using "Pokémon the Series" all the way back in 2013, 12 years ago, when the X&Y anime first came out. Its full title was Pokémon the Series: XY.>and thus cannot approve of the thread's titleI don't like the "the series" part either but A) it's clear what we're talking about, i.e. everything before Horizons came out whether they be episodes, films, specials, Chronicles etc. and B) /ptsd/ was by far the most popular name and what almost everyone wanted it to be called. It's a perfect name so I'm willing to put up with the less than ideal terminology.
>>58208234Yeah, that too. Are people even supposed to know what that means? Nobody actually uses that term.
James become my favorite after Holy Matrimony. James would have made a fine trainer.
>>58208234I don't approve it either, but that acronym is extremely fitting.
>>58208266This. Why is it suddenly beneath you faggots to go back to /padt/ when you're doing the same shit it got hated for over the last six to seven years?
>>58208346Is our 1 thread interrupting your daily dose of 50 thinly veiled pornography threads? What a tragedy.
One thing i wish the anime did was give Ash another goal in life. Gary wants to become a professor, Paul wants to become a gym leader, hell if Journeys had Ash go "Maybe ill become field researcher for all the professors" it could have been a cool idea and would still let him travel the world.
>>58208380Sure, deflect to the shitty porn threads but to justify one more shot thread to spread your schizoposting.
>>58208380Not the point the anon was making, the point is we aren't here to fight about sub or dub or complain about meta shit. Its discussing the Ashime. Last thread there was a big chunk just talking about trannies in a discord, which is something you could have done in padt.
>>58208383Yeah, they really should have given Ash another goal when his final story was on its way. I don't really see Ash as the stationary Champion. Could have mirrored Cynthia in her own studies, actually Cynthia could have inspired Ash in another goal after their battle.
>>58208416>the point is we aren't here to fight about sub or dub/vp/ isn't your personal board. If people want to discuss the different versions then they're free to do so. They don't need your permission>Last thread there was a big chunk just talking about trannies in a discordFor some reason you're leaving out the most important piece of information. An anon in the previous thread asked where they can watch the entire series. Another poster recommended that if they're looking for the dub to look in various places. Relevant to this is that that poster said if you're looking for subtitled versions of the Japanese release then to avoid SOSSubs fansubs.Someone asked this anon why SOS should be avoided and they responded by listing some of the issues: poor translations, strange and annoying spelling choices and the evident trannyness of the way they chose to translate the dialogue, especially pronouns. For anyone who didn't read the previous thread, start here:>>58197535>>58198624>>58203615>>58203776These "trannies in a discord server" are the SOS (Sea of Serenity) Subs fansub group.One poster saw the discussion and posted screenshots from their discord server that went a long way towards explaining why their subs are ass and should be avoided. The icon of their discord server is the tranny flag and they have an entire channel devoted to tranny shit, "a safe place to talk about all things Pride and LGBT+ community. :)". Furthermore the anon with access to their discord server posted screenshots of their translator and subtitler akiko / bumblyumbly, who has singlehandedly subbed all of their Pokémon releases, writing wall of text essays talking about whether pokémon "can be queer" and whether they are homosexual.As one anon observed, it was a good showcase of how poor quality the subs are as their translator doesn't understand basic grammar.
>>58208420MPM could have been about Ash catching up with his friends and getting inspired by them all finding other hobbies/jobs to find something he wants to do, hell the last episode with Gary kind of had that "what are you going to do after becoming a pokemon master" vibe
>>58208435Nta but then provide an alternative for subs. This became more about their policies rather than the factual translations.
>>58208383>Ash go "Maybe ill become field researcher for all the professors"That part of being given a pokédex was pretty much forgotten about. Ash already basically was a field researcher for the professors.
>>58208435>SOSSubs partOh thats fair then, my mistake anon.
>>58208446I'm not the anon who first brought up SOS Subs and recommended against them in the last thread here >>58198624 but I agree with what they said.>Nta but then provide an alternative for subs.You say that as if there even is an alternative. That's the point anon, there isn't. Until SOS started subbing from the very beginning large parts of the anime were completely without any subs regardless of quality. For hundreds of episodes the only subs are from SOS. And that's where the frustration comes from, it's not there is an alternative you can use short of learning the language yourself.>This became more about their policies rather than the factual translations.You either didn't read it or didn't understand what you were reading. It's about both. The people running SOS Subs fansub group are a load of mentally ill LGBT types. That doesn't mean they aren't able to translate accurately. Mental illness and Japanese language ability are not mutually exclusive. However, as another anon pointed out in the last thread (which you would know if you had actually read it), their translations are shit as demonstrated by the screenshot which shows akiko / bumblyumbly who is the one who has singlehandedly done all translation and subtitling on the project talking nonsense and and demonstrating that she (it? they?) don't understand basic Japanese grammar which leads to them inserting tranny headcanon psychosexual analysis into pokémon battle moves.The translations aren't factual because they are simultaneously handicapped by lack of ability in the Japanese language and also negatively influenced by their LGBT tranny mental illness politics. Where their Japanese ability lacks they are substituting their mental illness.>>58203899>>58204062
>>58208444Ash could have joined international police after seeing Latios distrust towards him that didn't fade away because of a poacher. Specially if current writers wants to write serious stories about heroes of justice fighting forces of evil.
>>58208435>>58208463Anon who first brought it up here. If there were alternative subs for all of OS and AG, I would've recommended it. I mentioned avoiding SOSSubs for all the reasons listed because I don't want to see a bad fansub sour many people's perception of the anime's Japanese version and it needs to be brought up lest discussion in the future adds more unnecessary confusion thanks to them.I tried watching one of episodes SOSSubs did, a Pikachu short to be exact, and I had to stop after 2 minutes because the mishandling of pronouns made it difficult to read and killed all enjoyment I would've had watching.
>>58208596Just watch the raws like we all did.
Ash and Misty are my parents
For me:1. Lara Laramie / Tyra (Biker gang girl);/ Giselle2. Chigusa ( Hitmontop girl)3. Kelly ( May's rival)4. Francesca ( Magician girl)5. Georgia6. Miette
If Journeys never happened and Ash actually traveled Galar, who would you like to be the companions? Personally the combo of Ash, Sonia and Milo seems ti work out nicely.>Ash: in order to battle Leon, he plans to go through the gyms and get familiar with Galar's pokemon and their fighting style.>Sonia: Kicked out of the lab by Magnolia to finish her thesis, she offers Ash exclusive info on Leon in exchange for escorting her to various sites around galar for her research.>Milo: Simple farm boy who wants to explore Galar's popular locations as his first vacation. Also doubles as the group's caretaker.I'd like to see your opinions.
>>58208267>I don't like the "the series" part either but A) it's clear what we're talking about, i.e. everything before Horizons came out whether they be episodes, films, specials, Chronicles etc.That doesn't even make sense, since Horizons is still called "The Series", while the movies, specials and Chronicles aren't.
>>58209003I like the idea of Sonia, even if she is older. As much I love Gloria, Marnie, Victor, Bede and Hop I think they all deserve to be rivals. Maybe bring back Dawn because of BDSP, or Serena.
>>58209385>Maybe bring back Dawn because of BDSP, or Serena.
>>58208698Did that too and for now until there's a worthwhile fansub or the pipe dream of official subs, that's my recommendation. Raw + dub + read summaries and comparisons, just like in the good ol' days.
>>58209607They don't want you to remember the missing episodes and especially not Dennou Senshi Porygon or the Safari Zone one where the guy had a gun. They'd rather you, filthy Westerner, watch the 4kids versions.
>>58209637They don't want me to remember the GS Ball either and look where that ended up.
>>58209607>Raw + read summaries and comparisons, just like in the good ol' days.Fixed that for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiQ7_oQv9tg>They unceremoniously laid off the main movie writer and others during XYWell that tracks
>>58209698Welcome to 2014...?
>>58209727Was that common knowledge? I had never heard of this guy before now.
>>58209739>Was that common knowledge?Yes?>I had never heard of this guy before now.Holy newfag
>>58209746Come off it, I believe it probably would be in the anime general's little bubble but even most diehard pokemon autists don't know the names and roles of the japanese staff of the show specifically outside of like Shudo.
>>58209757Where do you think you are?
>>58209727>>58209746>something that just got properly explained today>"dood it was obvious"All everyone knew back then was that most of the original anime writers left after XY. Nobody knew nor assumed that it had to do with a producer replacing the last one and laying them off.Foh with that smartass shit.
How would the Team Rocket Trio vs. The Explorer episode have been handled? I can totally see Jessie and Sango shouting at each other while James and Onyx tries to pull them away.
What do you think about Mela's potential as a lead girl? I was surprised at how young she appeared in the 2nd DLC, as if she lost five years of her life suddenly.
>>58210380>What do you think about Mela's potential as a lead girl?HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
>>58209003Not so sure about gym leader companions. Gyms in Galar are way too important, I don't think Milo can just tell a brother to take care of it while he's gone like Brock and Cilan did
>>58209003It'd be Hop and Marnie, with Bede as the rival.
>>58210463>>58209003Gordie and Bea/Allister are right there. We all know TPC would never be based enough for the /ss/ Melony travel companion.
>>58209003Easy pissy Ash, Gloria and Alister.
>>58210484Oh yeah there's a "minor league", I forgot.
>>58210463True, i guess Ash has to destroy Milo's gym then. No gym, no job.
>>58210135>I can totally see Jessie and Sango shouting at each other while James and Onyx tries to pull them away.That would be a fun episode. But i think it's been made clear that the staff working on horizons don't want to touch anything that has to do with Ash. Also i think it would've been better for you if you had asked this question in /padt/ instead of here. This place is for the original series discussion.
>>58210484>Sonia who see's a shota Leon in Ash>Melony whose sad Gordie is leaving the house so she moms the next "son" she findsThat would be too powerful anon!
>>58210586>it's been made clear that the staff working on horizons don't want to touch anything that has to do with Ash.More like they are afraid that they won't able to give special treatments to their precious OC if they follow Ashnime rule and has to make them earn thing though effort & merit.
>>58210135Fuuuck i just realized we missed out on a kino TR vs Klara and Avery episode.
When does hoenn get good? 15 episodes in and theres no memorable episodes yet. And he hasn't even challenged the first gym yet, wtf? Does the entire series have johto pacing? I'm tempted to just watch the league episodes and then skip to XY and S&M
>>58208383Yeah, that could have been a good idea. They knew Journeys would be Ash's final season, so why not bring in the rival named after one of the franchise's founders (Shigeru Miyamoto)? Goh was never particularly beloved, not even by Japanese children, who are the series' primary target audience, so they weren't taking that big of a risk by making Gary/Shigeru a co-protagonist. Man, the story writes itself, It's just so easy to write a scene between those two. But it seems like Pokémon is allergic to good ideas.
>>58210639Define "good."I always saw classic anime as a comfy, slow paced show where they just explore the world, so in that regard Hoenn is pretty good. If not then i guess just watch episodes where they catch, evolve pokemons and the gym battles. The movies are pretty kino too.
>>58210686>Define "good."Unique or creative ideas, setpieces or jokesE.g.Sabrina's episodesA lot of other early Kanto episodes like with the random giant Dragonite, the one with subbed Pokemon speech, or the lavender town episode The episode where a shota asks to suck Kasumi's breastsThe episode where the protagonists do the team rocket introSounansu and the robber episodeOr good/emotional character stories, these wre rare but at minimum theres the 3 team rocket backstory episodes, the island of nyarth (meowth) and the pidgey flies to space episode Sadly those higher quality episodes get rarer as it goes on and hoenn seems like more of the same as johto. The battles are all random nonsense where the writers can't keep anything consistent, and also slideshows, I know this gets fixed by XY which is one of the reason why that's the one I want to skip to
>>58210731Hoenn feels more like May's story than Ash's until battle frontier. Ash doesn't have a rival in this series, his main ace doesn't evolve until post league and his gym battles are mostly forgettable except maybe Tate and Lizas for thunder armor ass pull.Visually, hoenn is when towns become copy pastes of eachother and the characters start to suffer from same face syndrome so it's not as appealing there either.There are some interesting episodes, two godzilla refrence episodes involving a rare candy that turns pokemons into giants, Harley is a massive cunt to May and theres an episode where Max finds a clone of himself also named Max.I say skip to Sinnoh since Ash and Dawn bounce off eachother more naturally and the focus is divided better between Dawn's contests and Ash's rivalry with Paul. The battles are still slideshow but the gym battles are varieties of good (except maybe Crasher wake, that ones forgettable).
Rewatching the Ash and Marnie fight. The sexual tension is insane
>>58208151Magmar had so much aura it pretty much became a staple in Blaines team after Gen 1. Glad the Anime director made Magmar Blaine signature Mon.
>>58208142>people who used to post on the pre-SM /padt/Didn't those people move to /a/ and are the ones doing the Pokemon 2023 threads there now?
>>58210639>Does the entire series have johto pacing?Not really, it's in-between Kanto and Johto. Like Kanto, AG has another arc after Hoenn in the Battle Frontier, but Hoenn does have more episodes than Kanto and Orange combined, which may feel slower, but the addition of Contests help keep things interesting.>I'm tempted to just watch the league episodes and then skip to XY and S&MWatch the Contest episodes too, in fact, just watch the Contests and Battle Frontier instead of the League.
>>58209003Imagine this triangleSonia wants to bang AshHop wants to bang Sonia Hop also has repressed feelings for Ash
>>58210484Bea would be an interesting choice as a hypothetical companion since she's been shown travelling around to train sometimes, so her tagging along with Ash would fit well, especially if their first encounters goes in a way that makes Bea realize Ash in an experienced trainer that could help her improve somehow.>spoilerI will be honest, as amusing as it would be for Melony to travel around with Ash and dotting on him (and potentially his other companion), I can't really think of many reasons for her to ditch her gym to follow some kid and his rat around the region.
Just curious: are most people here not actually watching Horizons? For those who don't, is it mainly because Ash is gone, or it's for other reasons too OTHER than Ash?
>Talk about the original series>Does the opposite and even starts off by discussing postersSasuga, task failed successfully.
>>58212077The lack of Ash is actually the best part, we needed a fully rotating main cast for decades.I'm not watching because I hate SV, it doesn't look all that good, and one of my least favorite Pokémon is a major character. I gave it a try when Pokémon livestreamed the first two episodes and found Liko annoying. I tried again when they streamed the first two episodes of The Search for Laqua and got very bored while watching.I still read summaries every now and then like I've had when I dropped the tv series many years ago.
>>58212077> No League> No gym challenge> No competition like PWC, Contest or Battle Frontier.> Nether main characters has any actual goal.> Any of the character catching anything feels as pointless as Goh catching a new pokemon in every episode.> The humor is all time worst.> The shipping are boring & forced> The characters interaction are boring.> Most the episode are too dialogue heavy to the point kids with short attention span will immediately drop it.> Game characters gets no respects & Champion are treated like a joke.> Somehow we suppose to believe Roy reached the level of a champion by training offscreen .> Entire story is about the current OC being some heroes of justice that are more important and special than game characters & past anime charactersThere are many many reasons, Horizonfags just blame Ash for everything just like they did with past series.
>>58212251>The lack of Ash is actually the best part, we needed a fully rotating main cast for decades.No we didn't because this ain't Yugioh and Digimon where heroes of justice fights forces of evil every series. Pokemon anime was always more character driven SOL adventure anime which survives because of the popularity of their characters.
>>58212261>Pokemon anime was always more character driven SOL adventure animeYes, and? I'd like to see someone else besides Ash having an animated adventure with Pokémon. Ash was good back in Kanto and some of the movies, but it gets tiring following the same character for many, many, many years with how the tv anime handled its stories. Even if I don't like Liko and Roy, their journey did shake things up and I hope that we get a new cast in the next series and said series is good enough to watch and follow its airing.Funny you brought up Yugioh because GX had some great character driven SOL in its first two seasons. Made the payoff in seasons 3 and 4 worth it.
>>58208596It all really makes me miss the old PM / Pocket Monsters fansub group. They were well appreciated at the time, but I don't think we appreciated just how good we had it with those guys. I miss them. Their work was very high quality.
>>58209698Yeah even without any outside or background knowledge it's pretty apparent that the people making the anime before and after the end of X&Y were very different groups of people.
>>58211178We didn't all have a meeting and decide to collectively to X or Y thing. People moved off in all different directions. Some did go to /a/, others didn't.
>>58212077>are most people here not actually watching Horizons?I'm not and have no intention of watching it either.>For those who don't, is it mainly because Ash is gone, or it's for other reasons too OTHER than Ash?Nah it has nothing to do with Ash's departure. If anything that would make me more likely to wach it, not less.For me it's moreso that I don't like the direction they've been going since at least the end of XY and beginning of SM era and the modern stuff has just continued in the same wrong direction. I'd go back further and say I haven't liked the direction since BW, excepting XY, but it's not quite as much.My attitude towards the BW era is that some of it was bad idea, bad execution and some of it was good idea, bad execution. While everything post-XY has been bad idea, bad execution.I couldn't give you an exact formula for what would make the perfect anime or exactly what it would take for me to start caring again, but broadly speaking what they did was interfere too much with the golden goose. The people they used to have working on the anime were good and knew what they were doing. It always suffered from micromanagement but BW was the peak and it showed. With XY they lessened that a bit and just let them cook, however minor the leeway was, and it had excellent results.Less micromanaging, and more just letting competent people cook. But I am aware that that's never going to happen. They would have to be truly desparate for that to happen and that isn't happening any time soon with how well the past few generations of utterly shit, buggy slop games they've shat out have been selling.They could put out a Pokémon anime that was literally a blank screen with no sound for 30 minutes an episode and people would still watch it and sing its praises.
Y'know, after reading >>58208383 something dawned on me: is there any real way to address that whole thing about "a Pokémon Master is being friends with all Pokémon" without royally shitting on it?The more I entertain it, the more impossible it becomes for me not to notice its rather obvious flaws.>"The world is too big, how is Ash gonna accomplish it?">"Ash has already faced irredeemably evil Pokémon, wouldn’t that render his goal null?">"MPM ended with Ash failing to become friends with that one Latios, who no-sold his attempts at befriending him. Why in the fuck would he be determined to be friends with everyone?">"And even if the character hasn’t realised the flaws yet, the writers can’t just ignore it entirely if they bring him back, right?"We all know the meta truth about what a Pokémon Master is (aka nobody at TPC or OLM knows), and what MPM offered was just a copout for the writers to retire Ash without sounding cynical or contradictory about it. So, yeah, it’s pretty much impossible for me to ever address the mess it is in writing, without coming off as wanting to shit on Ash and force him to try something else.Have other anons thought about that?
>>58212436>We all know the meta truth about what a Pokémon Master is (aka nobody at TPC or OLM knows)Is that the case though? Have they ever come out and actually said that? I've never heard of it, but if it is actually in writing anywhere I'd be interested to read it. Was this information part of the big leak not too long ago?As far as I see it there are 2 possibilities:1) Whoever came up with the concept of a "pokémon master", whether it be an individual or group of people who were working on the series, did so while not having a clue what that would actually be. If that's the case they most likely intended to worry about the details later, and come up with what it was actually supposed to be at some point later on down the line. Only that never really happened.2) Whoever came up with the concept did actually know what it was supposed to do. If this is the case then they at least privately, personally know what they intended it to mean when they came up with it. In this scenario I imagine the core staff early on would have probably known the intention even if they didn't make that clear to everyone else.If Takeshi Sudo was still alive it's one of the things I'd love to see him answer, what did you actually mean by "pokémon master"? Was it an intentionally vague mystery box to later be filled in when someone came up with an idea good enough, or did you already know?What they eventually came up with was... less than satisfying to say the least. It honestly would have been better to leave it vague than how it ended up turning out.
>>58212308>I'd like to see someone else besides Ash having an animated adventure with PokémonYou mean a new mary sue that gets everything handed them for wish fulfillment fantasy. >Ash was good back in Kanto and some of the movies,You can say that exact same thing about every long running anime characters. >but it gets tiring following the same character for many, many, many years with how the tv anime handled its stories.I wonder if you Horizonfags ever watched anything outside Yugioh . Majority of long running TV show remains popular because they use the same character over & over. By your logic Doraemon should replace Nobita with a girl or Dragonball should replace Goku with an expressionless protagonist like Jin-woo, Truth is protagonist rotation fails with majority of anime, specially long running anime with iconic protagonist. Boruto itself is a proof of that. >their journey did shake things upShake what up? 100 episode passed and none of you Horizonfags can say a single thing Horizons did better than Journey! If anything Horizons would have shake things up with Ash, Greninja and Team Rocket Trio. >Funny you brought up Yugioh because GX had some great character driven SOL in its first two seasons.Yugoh GX got worst with each season and hit rock bottom in the 4th season. YGO 5D was even worst than GX. Also Yugioh GX still have cameo from Yugi, was mentioned multiple time and face Jadan in the final duel unlike Horizons that avoid everything from past series including a Meowth.
>>58212436I think "pokemon master" to Ash was meant to be defined as "Im going to be someone who can make any pokemon trust them" and while MPM Ash wasn't at that level yet, he might be in the future. Sure he might find some pokemons who genuinely don't like him or are just inherently evil, but Ash is going to still try and see good in them regardless.You can read it as an excuse Ash is giving himself so he can travel more i guess but like you said, its a cop out lol.
>>58212495NTA but Jesus Christ what's your problem? Why are you projecting and accusing others with unrelated shows when no one agrees with you? That anon literally said he doesn't care about Liko and Roy and you scream "Horizonsfags" at every corner like they fucked your mom. Project your missing brain cells somewhere else, you sound needlessly insecure.
>>58212495>dislikes Horizons>does not watch Horizons>gets called a Horizonfag
>>58212507https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/search/text/Ash%20nobita%20goku/Looked the post up in the archives, it's Famon screaming the same shit for years. A fucking lolcow who got evicted two years ago because he was a NEET starting those waifuwars and series catfights across the board while calling everyone else NEETs lmao. Retiring Ash got that schizo evicted from Hotel Mama.
>>58212501>>58212507> Points out why Protagonist rotation does not work for every anime > Wa , what your problem! Maybe its time for you to acknowledge Pokemon is nothing like Yugioh and Digimon that known for protagonist rotation. There are multiple factor at work and Pokemon anime is not suitable for protagonist rotation. At best the anime can have Ash step down as the MC but he still needs to be in the show in some form of way. For example : Ash reappear as a wondering trainer with Rotom-dex & his goal is for his newly caught Kubfu to win 100 battles in a row to get the scroll of Darkness/Water to evolve and he has a battle with Roy & Uruto.
>>58212517>There is a lunatic aggressively cocksucking Ash on this board who would rather go homeless than letting him go and moving on.I would kill myself at this point and any form of ridicule towards that behavior is justified.
>>58212517Ah, him again, great, now OP will have to update the filename.
>>58212556>now OP will have to update the filenamePadt couldn't be assed to do as the filename says in its tenure and you expect this place to do better?
Why is she so cute?! How did they make the perfect Gliscor?
Is there anything you would change in SM? Drastically or not.
>>58212733The art-style and Ash's clothes.Also a Kalos trip arc where Ash's Dusk Lycanroc defeat Alain's Mega Charizard X.
>>58212733Give Ash a full team and don't bullshit a Melmetal and Naganadel at the last minute for one.Should have fought every totem, too.
So which Pokemon anime is the best and which is the worst?
>>58212877Poketoon and Pokemon Concierge are the best.
>>58212522>[Ash] still needs to be in the show in some form of wayHe literally doesn't. You have twenty-six years worth of content with Ash that you can go through, as we in this thread are doing right now. Horizons is allowed to be its own thing. Good, bad, whatever.
>>58208114Ashfags are mad they have to share their precious space so they made a new one.
>>58212733>Is there anything you would change in SM? Drastically or not.I'd make it what myself and many others hoped it would be, a direct continuation of the Kalos X&Y arc in the same way that the Johto arc was a direct continuation of Kanto. The same way that Brock and Misty continued on with Ash to Johto I would have his companions from Kalos make the journey to Alola with Ash.Without changing anything from XY you'd have to make some small alterations near the beginning to make things work. Clemont has his gym duties but a justification to have him and Bonnie go would be with Alola looking to establish a league structure there and them inviting foreign gym leaders to help.As far as Serena goes it wouldn't be too difficult to insert a plotline of Alola, in its efforts to open up more to the outside world, attempting to also establish a contest circuit. If you have a reasonable time skip of a few months between the end of XY and the beginning of SM she could have spent a decent amount of time in Hoenn before Palermo suggests that she go to Alola, or she might have heard about it from Ash that they're setting up a contest circuit there.Regarding the visuals I'd keep it in the same style of XY and everything preceding it. No changes to the artstyle. No changes to the tone or writing either, I'd double down and go further in the direction that XY was taking things.Something I'd like to see them do would be to allow the protagonists from the game to be main characters. I'd have Ash be somewhat of a mentor to the male protagonist, Ash is helping set up the league while the game protagonist is a challenger. I'd have a similar setup with Serena and the female protagonists with contests.One of the big things I wouldn't do is get rid of what was left of the original staff like they did with the SM we got. I'd sit them down, tell them they have full freedom to do things how they please and give them a blank cheque.
>>58212877> BestOriginal Pokemon anime, DP series, Poketoon and Concierge > Worst : Best Wishes, XY and XY&Z, Pokemon Horizons,
>>58212916>He literally doesn't.Pokemon Horizon has proven he does to the point the anime tried to turn Roy into Ash 2.0. >You have twenty-six years worth of content with Ash that you can go through,So? We have even more content with Goku, Nobita, Superman and Spiderman but that does not mean their fans no longer wants any more content. >Horizons is allowed to be its own thing.You mean a wish fulfillment fantasy that disrespects the past series and the game? I would rather have another 26 years of Ash than anymore series another Liko , Roy and Alain.
>>58212961>Pokemon Horizon has proven he does to the point the anime tried to turn Roy into Ash 2.0.Ash needs to come back because the Horizons anime turned Roy into Ash 2.0?>We have even more content with Goku, Nobita, Superman and Spiderman but that does not mean their fans no longer wants any more content.whataboutism>You mean a wish fulfillment fantasy that disrespects the past series and the game?Okay, now I know you're trolling.
>>58212733A few things:>definitely change the art style, or at least how it affected older characters like Ash and Team Rocket. I seem to remember seeing some concept arts for SM that had an honestly pretty good look for Ash but can't remember if they were even real>would give Ash a full team without Naganadel and Melmetal, or at the very least not have Poipole disappear until it was time for the league. Maybe one of the Passimians from that episode or that Wimpod he helped>would make Kiawe a little less of a comic relief too and would give the others some more screentime to develop them some more. SM I feel was generally good at that but some still felt like some could have used some more chapters>case in point, have more Guzma appearances, develop his backstory with Kukui and the formation of Team Skull more>give characters from the games some more appearances and flesh them out a bit more, maybe have Acerola join the group for a while, explore Nanu's apparent connection with TR, have Hau show up more often, etc.>have more Ultra Guardians eps or at least some more side material with them>change the league, dunno how exactly but just change it, maybe adhere more to how it was in the games
>>58212984I think a lot of those early images were just made by fans imagining what it might look like.
>>58212077>are most people here not actually watching Horizons? I'm not and I doubt I ever will.>For those who don't, is it mainly because Ash is gone, or it's for other reasons too OTHER than Ash?I fell out of interest from the anime ages ago, and even when I saw they were going to retire Ash (something I agreed should have happened a long, long time ago, preferably before BW and everything that followed it happened), I didn't get a single bit of interest for the anime, and what was shown for Horizons also didn't catch my attention in the slightest, and to this day I remain completely uninterested in whatever shit they put out for the PokeAni, I just don't really give a shit about it.
Here's a fun excersise:What is the archetypical filler episode for every series? From the top of my head, it would be something like>Johto: Ash & co comes across a town that is enamored with a certain shitmon and they help the town host a festival for said shitmon.>BW:Axew gets lost >JN:Ash and Goh goes to a random region to help out a Pokémon or participate in some kind of competition. Episode ends with Goh catching the titular Pokémon and ditches it in the Sakuragi lab.
>>58210639Nice. I'm almost done with Johto. Nice watching all the episodes I missed.
>>58208109Has Rhydon died yet?
>>58213024>SinnohAsh and Co come across a cotd who needs help with their pokemon. during the help with that pokemon, the cotd reveals a sob story about the pokemon's past, TR then attacks and the pokemon overcomes its problem and wins against them. (Examples: ninja Roserade, missing Pikachu, Miltank and maid, Sandshrew in sunken ship etc)
>>58208463Looks like that person grabbed the very first listed definition off of jmdict and latched on to it as hard as he could.
>>58213216Reminds me of those retards you see every now and then that insist "Kalos League Victory" was a mistranslation of "カロスリーグ優勝", and that it was actually just supposed to be "Kalos League Championship" (as in a synonym for Kalos League Tournament) because they don't know Japanese NOR English, nor do they know how dictionaries work.I see some dumbass make the claim that the episode title wasn't an intentional troll but just mistranslated like once a year, it's ridiculous.
>>58212978>Replying
>>58213273...but 勝 literally means victory
>>58213284Well someone DID have a victory.
>>58213284The English word championship has multiple meanings, it's being offered up there as a translation of 優勝 because it can mean "designation as champion" (which is basically what 優勝 means). Of course, these dumbasses don't know that and only understand the word to mean "a contest held to determine a champion", and they also don't understand that the different translations offered in a single definition in a dictionary like >>58213273 are synonyms.>>58213289Yeah, that's the point. It's a "lol we just called the episode Kalos League Victory, we didn't tell you WHOSE victory" troll title, nips got just as angry as westerners about it.
>>58212984>I seem to remember seeing some concept arts for SM that had an honestly pretty good look for Ash but can't remember if they were even realI assume you're referring to picrel, it's one of those comics with occasional activities for children added in. It came out a bit before SM premiered and is clearly partially based on the start of episode 1, but has a very XY-esque artstyle.
>>58213302Yeah here's a jap definition. Which says it means to take first place in a match.
>>58212978>Ash needs to come back because the Horizons anime turned Roy into Ash 2.0?Nobody likes a cheap copy of a masterpiece. >You mean a wish fulfillment fantasy that disrespects the past series and the game?>Okay, now I know you're trolling." Hey, our new protagonist would be a girl with magic bloodline who gets Terapagos handed to her though family heritage and a boy who become champion tier OFFSCREEN as they becomes heroes of justice fighting against evil forces"This is just wish fulfillment.
>>58212077its fucking garbage un every aspect garbage human design, liko is so fucking bland god, the artztyle and animation fucking horrible too, it's so cheap, glad new digimon is coming and is mogging it
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>>58213347its so cheap because they are not wasting money on it again, they killed the movies too cause they were expensive and the latest flopped hard, they are making shorts and other shit like concierge instead , the anime iz going to end sooner than later
>>58213024>KantoCotd wants needs a shitmon evolution to save their job and it evolves after escaping TR
Imagine Liko and Roy lose at the end of the current arc and nearly get imprisoned by the Explorers until Ash rescues them. Later, he delivers a letter from Friede, assigning a new destination and naming Ash the acting captain.How would you react?
>>58213347Amazing how digimon makes everything better than Pokemon, looks like heartbreaker is doing something similar like rising volt tacklers lmao probably works because digimon is less childish than pkmn
>>58213925>Liko and Roy lose at the endGood.>until AshBad.Captcha: ASH 2 W8
Imagine Liko and Roy lose at the end of the current arc and nearly get imprisoned by the Explorers until Friede rescues them. Later, he delivers a letter from Ash, who says he needs the Rising Volt Tacklers' help with something he can't handle himself.How would you react?
I always like gijinkas of Ash's pokemon. This design for greninja is cute af
>>58214060>Amazing how digimon makes everything better than Pokemon,Really? Because older Tai on Tri and reboot Tai was worst than any version of Ash. Even Hiro from Ghost Game wasn't that good.
>>58208109>>58208131thank you for acknowledging the first thread,titled >/ash/nime general (exploratory edition)<3i was the one who made it:3picrel was the image i usedalso very happy to see it having taken off. i almost didnt make the thread, i thought it would be dismissed and id get called faggot and it would die after <20 replies. but im glad i did make it. and i'm fine with /ptsd/ as the title. it's funnier for sure.>>58208266>>58208346the whole point is to respect horizons discussion and not butt in and shit all over the place with nostalgiaposting. both discussions are great to have, but they are discussing separate things. so leave room for each. everything in its right place.and also to not shit up the board with tons of random threads about specific incidents or episodes or characters of the original series when they can all go in one comfy nostalgic general.>>58212077i watch it. it's fine, it's nice in its own way. it's a different cup of tea to the original. how could it not be. it's a different time, anon. different world, different culture. i do find horizons bland in direct comparison. it's very apt for zoomers and this new gen after zoomers. gen alpha? gen a? awoomers? it suits them and their 'vibe' and sensibilities. the original series, esp the beginning of it, suited us (millenials) and our 'vibe'. ash was a strong minded bratty hothead shithead in comparison to the horizons protagonists. the horizons protagonists are sissified lobotomized vaxxed SSRI fluoride stare modern youngsters compared to ash. but...it works in their overall story environment. classic ash would be totally out of place in it. they would be completely lost in the original series, like japanese tourists in 2025 paris. just don't go looking for the ashnime, just regard it as something totally different, and you'll be fine. enjoy it for what it is, i have enjoyed watching it. everything in its right place.
>>58212077I wanted the Ash anime to end for years, so I went in with high expectations. Everything about it sounded really cool. Story driven show about a round the world adventure with a band of misfit adults on a blimp butting heads with a shady organization.Execution is dogshit though, massively disappointed. They have so many characters and somehow barely do anything with them, and the story is just kind of junk. I want Horizons over next gen, but I never want them to go back to Ash. Try again with something else.
>>58211032It was one of the better Journeys episodes for sure, she would have made for a cool rival.
>>58214482>Everything about it sounded really cool. Story driven show about a round the world adventure with a band of misfit adults on a blimp butting heads with a shady organization.Basically you wanted Pokemon anime to be a fanfic based on One Piece. >but I never want them to go back to Ash. Try again with something else.No thank you .We are better off with Ash than the anime forcing another dumb idea with another set of uninteresting new OC for another Three Freaking Years. Specially since next gen going to be on 30th anniversary.
>>58214504Fun fact: this was Gengar's second victory after 81 episodes
>>58214296Every version of Tai is better than Ash.
>>58214504Some anime, like Sgt. Keroro, Kobayashi's Dragon Maid, and Gundam Build Fighters, start with two characters meeting, then expand as new main characters join. I wanted the JN series to follow this, starting with Ash meeting Goh, then adding Marnie, Allister, Brock, Misty, Dawn, and Bede to their group. But some reason OLM wanted to bet everything on Goh and ignore every other potential.
