Why are gen 2 haters so disingenuous? They can’t say the game is bad so they have to start making up categories for the game to fail in>ermm if you take out all the Pokémon only found in the postgame, all the Pokémon that have any link to a gen 1 mon, any Pokémon that requires headbutt or a hm to access, any Pokémon that can only be found in the morning or at night, and any Pokémon that’s tricky to get the Pokédex doesn’t look so full huhWhy are they like this? It’s beyond comical
>>58215057No one actually hates the Johto games because they're bad, they hate the Johto games because they make their favorite gens look bad. They're insecure about just how good Johto is
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>>58215057They're boring, the levels are weird and most maps are bland and forgettable.
But OP, the level curve... can someone please think of the level curve?
>>58215098Inb4 "so like every other game"
>>58215098>most maps are bland and forgettable.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MNAktk9ei8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XjouKSkSeMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1-VyHIx_SYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEtZW4BLWoQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFNHlJ6yvEAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP1vP21-Kp0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP0m-PJozWohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbcjFvXGXYQ
>>58215057>shit pokemon and type distribution; at least a third of the new mons are inaccessible until the very end of the game, also enjoy having exactly 1 dark type before kanto lol>terrible plot that ends with anticlimactic battle against a literal who admin who doesn't even get a name until the equally as shit remake 11 years later>most gym leaders don't even use the new Pokemon>elite 4 starts at level 40, not only making it the lowest elite 4 start by 6 levels, but meaning that you wont be able to use some of your favourite pokemon (ex Dragonite) until half way through the postgame without sweeping every gym>evolution item distribution is terrible>still fighting level 25 shitmons in the grass all the way through the postgame kanto >Kanto is barren as fuck with most things gutted outright and the gyms are a cakewalkI struggle to think of anything good about them. Johto is poorly designed dogshit and Crystal is easily gamefreak’s laziest singular release. Fixed fuckall flaws from the original GoySlop, added some little gay animated sprites, removed Mareep, and gutted half the Japanese exclusive content before localizing it (gs ball, online support, etc).Shit games with trash pokemon in a boring region made up entirely of small linear grassy routes and unrewarding caves, full of underleveld Kanto mons from the first route to just before you’re fighting Red, awful encounter methods, horrible evo stone distribution. The only people who defend these trash games are fat balding retards who played it when they were 3.
>>58215122>literally proves my pointAt least some of those are comfy.
>>58215057Gen 1 and 2 are currently the only games in the series to have remakes that are objectively better than the original.
>>58215132based
>>58215132>>58215132>>shit pokemon and type distribution; at least a third of the new mons are inaccessible until the very end of the game, also enjoy having exactly 1 dark type before kanto lolnobody cared about this before gamefags and pChal.>>terrible plot that ends with anticlimactic battle against a literal who admin who doesn't even get a name until the equally as shit remake 11 years lateroverhated, it's nice for what it is, also HGSS expands on it. also most pokemon plots end with an anticlimatic battle after gym 7>>most gym leaders don't even use the new Pokemonnobody cared about this before gamefags and pChal.>elite 4 starts at level 40, not only making it the lowest elite 4 start by 6 levels, but meaning that you wont be able to use some of your favourite pokemon (ex Dragonite) until half way through the postgame without sweeping every gymMuch better to have lower level Elite Four than crazy level spikes like the one between Volkner and the League in DP>>Kanto is barren as fuck with most things gutted outright and the gyms are a cakewalksubjective>I struggle to think of anything good about them. See >>58215122, amazing music, amazing designs, amazing locations and region. I feel in Japan every time i boot up GSC>Crystal is easily gamefreak’s laziest singular releasethose are either yellow or usum by far, you forgot the battle tower also.>The only people who defend these trash games are fat balding retards who played it when they were 3.i played gold for the first time when i was 16.
>>58215132that "equally as shit remake" literally fixed half of these points
>>58215132Half of the leaders in Johto have a gen2 ace, all the kanto leaders except for surge, blue, and brock have a gen2 added to their teamThe elite four being at a low level isn’t bad because it’s only halfway through the game
>>58215175>nobody cared about this before gamefags and pChal.Yes they did>overhated, it's nice for what it is, also HGSS expands on it. also most pokemon plots end with an anticlimatic battle after gym 7True, but at least most other plots aren't boring and have actually threatening villains>nobody cared about this before gamefags and pChal.Same as number 1. There were complaints since HGSS were new.>Much better to have lower level Elite Four than crazy level spikes like the one between Volkner and the League in DPI'd rather not effortlessly sweep them because I'm overleveled>subjectiveActually it's very obviously been gutted.>See >>58215122 #, amazing music, amazing designs, amazing locations and region. I feel in Japan every time i boot up GSCAs a guy who lived in Japan for a couple years, Johto didn't feel very Japanese until the remakes, which made the world feel more alive.>those are either yellow or usum by far, you forgot the battle tower also.USUM at least added a considerable amount of content to SM. Crystal is pretty much just GS but with the battle tower and a few features that were unjustifiably cut from the international release.>i played gold for the first time when i was 16.I played Silver first myself. I was 12 back then and it was one of my first games. I only really enjoy it because of nostalgia.
>>58215194>The elite four being at a low level isn’t bad because it’s only halfway through the gameThat's factually absurd. It's the end of the game, and just because there's postgame doesn't mean you can't neglect the maingame. Hell, I'd gladly take no Kanto in the Johto games if it meant the level curve wasn't so hilariously fucked up, and even then, the postgame in question doesn't contribute to the curve! The absolute highest a kanto gym leader gets is like, 55-60, which is nowhere near the high 80s that Red has, with nothing to bridge that gap.
>>58215064This. The first two gens mog the fuck out of all the loweffort nuslop afterwards so badly they had to cut off trading completely between gens 2-3 to try to stop people from playing the classics so they dont remember how good they had it. Nufags are hopelessly coping with muh abilities, muh double triple rotation battles, muh megas and other dumbass adhd gimmicks when its all just flashy shit to disguise how bad the nugames really are.
>>58215639Actually the reason we never had Gen 2-3 trading was because of incompatibility. At the time there was no peripheral to connect GBC to GBA. Heck, even now there's nothing official.
>>58215639What makes the classics better? Just curious
>>58215649nta but the simplicity is much easier to just bang out a run in than needing to worry about autistic ass natures or abilities getting in the way of Pokemon optimismIn Gen I+II you can pick up a Pokemon off the side of the road and rock it to endgame. in Gen III it's encouraged to try over and over to get the best version if your mon so you aren't unnecessarily making the game harder for yourself. And in that case, you might as well play the newest game or the one with your favorite characters/story instead of earlier games
>>58215122>>most maps are bland and forgettable.>links all these BGM videos for some reason>nearly each and every thumbnail of what are supposed to be different locations looks like the same generic grassy town copy and pastedlmfao
>>58215644>At the time there was no peripheral to connect GBC to GBA. Heck, even now there's nothing official.Its a cable that transports 1s and 0s, it wouldnt have been hard for GF and Nintendo to make something like that work especially for the craze that was Pokemon. They even created a wireless dongle only a few years later that would be far more complex. They didnt do it because they didnt want to not because they couldnt.
>>58215649>>58215644why are you engaging with this braindead moron? i like gsc, but if you read it and think "maybe i can reach him" you're even dumber
>>58215057you said it yourself, they can't say the games are bad so they have to make shit up
>>58215057>>58215762the games are bad the pokemon distribution is bad, the gyms are bad, the story is awful, the wild life encounter levels are retardedly low, the level curve is retarded, kanto sucks dick because it it was gutted of any substance and they didn't bother to raise the wild life levels. gen 2 sucks lmao
>>58215057My favorite are the people who say gen 2 had no endgame when the Battle Tower is just standing there. That shit takes forever to complete and I love it. I just wish there were actual rewards for completing it. Some battle tower exclusive room decorations would have been awesome.
>>58215057The gen 2 and gen 5 faggots are the same people desperately trying to take the heat off of the disappointment of Gen 6 and the tirefires that followed.
>>58215672I wouldn't say it's encouraged to catch the best version or anything. It's not like you're told to do so, or that it'd make any meaningful difference.
>>58215705It took fans a surprisingly long amount of time to create a GB/GBC to GBA connector. It took having devkits for the consoles consoles and the source code for multiple games for anyone to figure it out, even then it took awhile. As it turns out, the GBA Pokémon games are incompatible with previous gens due to coding and engine differences. Exactly why Game Freak changed it isn't known, though it could have something to do with taking advantage of the better hardware.
>>58215762The games are bad.
>>58215796Gen 2 and Gen 5 fans are nothing alike.
>>58215672lol i can sit here and say the same shit about genders and shiny status, gtfo
>>58215844At that point you might as well just rock a level 80 starter. If you want to use any Pokemon you might as well only try to use them in ways that make them work. Whenever you try to use a Pokemon in a way it can't operate, it isn't really fun. If the Pokemon can't even pull its weight doing what it's SUPPOSED to that's even worseAnd even in THAT case, playing older games are more fun because there's just much less factors to worry about. I had a friend who once used a Brave Flygon in their Team cause they figured the physical attack would make up for the speed cut. It often always got outsped. It probably would have regardless if it wasn't Brave, but the fact it was likely fed him the idea it wasn't worth the Nature. When you know how the game works, the game becomes infinitely less fun if you're not at least trying to play a bit more competently than catching the first shitmon you see
>>58215870Okay? Gender yeah, female Pokemon are objectively inferior in Gen II but it's not as egregious as what Natures do to Pokemon, let alone IVs which made the franchise into a eugenics simulator
>>58215351>As a guy who lived in Japan for a couple years, Johto didn't feel very Japanese until the remakes, which made the world feel more alive.but i thought you said the remakes were "equally as shit"
>>58215892That was probably someone else. But even then, I could still say it's equally shit, just in different areas.
Other gens>victory road is full of shit like graveller and onix, garbage you’ve beaten dozens of times>in gen 2 you are still finding new Pokémon in the last area of the postgame
>>58215873i play smogon so im deeply familiar with natures and IVs. i also can play through a kid’s game without optimizing. yeah, it sucks that i got a bold arcanine so now its extreme speed is weaker, but thats my arcanine, so i’m keeping her around
>>58215983b-b-but a poketuber told me the pokemon distribution was bad!
>>58215057High highs and low lows
>>58216292high highs and no lows
>>58215057I just think they're boring
>>58215175>nobody cared about this before gamefags and pChal.I’ve been complaining about these issues for nearly 2 decades now. Hell, we have literal evidence from the playtesters that they complained about this stuff too, according to the Gen 2 leaks. The fact that you want to push all of the people who disagree with you into some strawman poketuber slop enjoyer is proof you’d rather cover your ears, and aren’t ready to have an actual discussion on the legitimate merits and flaws of Gen 2.
>>58215057> all the Pokémon that have any link to a gen 1 mon, any Pokémon that requires headbutt or a hm to accessMaking shit up to cry about.
>>58215175kek the only thing 'disingenuous' is johtimmies trying to defend their shit games>B-BUT A YOUTUBER SAID LE THINGno one cares faggot
>>58215057>comfy (codeword for boring) as fuck>made most of the dex gay faggot cute shit>hoenn is larger than gen 2 johto and kanto
>>5821505780% of it is just sharty and discord
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>>58217807Nothing about the gameplay or execution, just the same "you can go to Kanto" and "you can battle Red" parroting like for the past 25+ years.
>>58215057Huh?
>>58215057Most negative options of gen 2 are parroted from youtubers who became fans after gen 3 when the game pivoted to power creep and strong regional identities over being a sequel to a monster collector jrpg.That's why there's shit like >Why Claire level jump? Level jump in game about training?? Game bad?? It's completely lost on them that they entered a Dragon tamer clan after Lance was flaunted>Why Karen vileplume?? Game bad?Has lore in the Pokemon anime about being a night flower>when i try beating this game in one sitting, not enough trainers to grind. Game bad??The phone and clock system was designed to be a slice of life thing. Players can take or leave if they like it>Johto mons weak but Kanto still strong??? Where power creep?Read above.
>>58217807Describe what a "reddit game" is please. Use your words.
>>58217744What are the legitimate merits of Gen 2 then?
Johtimmies try to list a positive about johto without mentioning comfy or kanto (extreme)
>>58219129gen 2 is fucking awful and even with you samefagging your own thread you can't even make it look good>n-nooo you don't understand, you're supposed to watch the ashnime!! t-this features is supposed to be annoying dogshit!genuinely embarrassing
>>58215064fpbp
>>58215857>Exactly why Game Freak changed it isn't known, though it could have something to do with taking advantage of the better hardware.Or incompetence + not wanting to. Nintendo had invented a Transfer Pak basically just for Pokemon Stadium and there you have GB/GBC games trading and even emulating via N64, two completely different platforms released years apart and in gens 1 and 2. If GF really wanted to have interaction between gens 2-3 Nintendo could easily have come up with a solution. This would have been the GB/GBA link cable that fans did themselves but took years as they dont have the money, manpower and official coding/hardware knowledge that Nintendo had/has and basically had to reverse engineer everything with only a few people doing it on and off as a hobby.
>>58215714>Steamed nufag is already heaping around insultsSounds like another case of "no argument"
Gen 4 is the tits, love soul silver.
>>58215132/thread
>>58219143Can't be this low IQ
>>58219143hi hellknight
>>58219423If you say "reddit game" that means nothing to people not neck deep in this siteUse your words
>>58219183Which 35 year old opinon man on YouTube is YOUR favorite?
>>58219448>>58219457>pretending to be retarded>no argument so deflecting to Youtubers, againGenuinely embarrassing.
>>58219457PartyArlie
>>58215057>They can’t say the game is badStopped reading right there
Maybe because their brains are warped by HRT?
>>58215132there was literally no way they could have localized the online functionalities, like no westerner would be doing the shit the japanese were doing with their cellphones back then man
>>58219178>held items>weather>breeding>shinies>special stat split>real time clock (day/night, days of the week events)>good sprites (complete upgrade from gen 1 like holy fuck)>good music>cool lore (Burned/Bell tower ho-oh/legendary dogs, Ilex forest celebi shrine, ruins of alph, lake of rage ect ect)>Silver is cool>room customization was kinda cool
>>58219460No, tell me what a reddit game is, you clearly have an answer
>>58219178Great pixel artOnly game in the franchise that so many phone contacts have mini character arcsThe light lore compliments getting a legendary before getting major battlesNon-linear mid game is neat (could be improved)Good placement of counters to gym leader aces for those who go out of their way (the games stop doing this)Good for people who like grindier games yes they exist)
>>58219129>night flowerdark type isn’t literal darkness
>>58219240>still talking like a moronnot gonna engage with you on any real level
>>58221006i saw so much copy pasted gen 2 pixel art on wplace with all the deltatroon spamtruly the tranny gen
