It's time to finally admit that it did more harm than good.
>>58226979>t.dragoncuck
>>58226979It's time to finally admit that you're a campaignshitter with an extremely poor understanding of the game.
uh oh fairy melty already
>>58226979It’s time to admit that they completely squandered the idea.
>>58226979You lost dragonfaggot, no more one-click outrage spams as long as the Fairggot type is there
You hate Fairy Type because you are insecure about your masculinity and you view anything that's cute and feminine as a threat. You hate Fairy PERFORMATIVELY, not for any legitimate reasons. You are thin-skinned and your masculinity is as secure as glass.You don't hate it because it's too strong, otherwise you'd attack Steel and Water more. Rather, you have decided to hate Fairy Type ahead of time, and look for justifications after the fact. You do not hate Fairy for "all just being lazy design and slapped onto anything pink and cute", Fairy is no different from Fire being all orange/red and angry or Dark being all black and edgyYou don't have any actual, legitimate reasons to hate on Fairy Types as much as you do. What you HAVE is a small penis.
>>58226979Pic unrelated.
>>58227037AAAAAIIIIIIEEEEE ANTIFAIRYSISSIES SAVE ME
>>58226979Nah. After all the nerfs to Dragon, they still reign supreme in the end. Now if they actually bit the bullet and made Chansey Fairy type, then all hell would have broken loose.
>>58227037wouldn't your first argument also work in reverse? you can't tolerate any pushback because of your fragile ego no?>Fairy is no different from Fire being all orange/red and angry or Dark being all black and edgycute isnt an element or type of damage, it overlaps with other abstract types and is already covered in contest stats
>>58227083if ghost can be the spooky element fairy can be the love/hearts element. sorry you have no imagination. i suppose it shouldn't surprise me that someone who gets so easily triggered by seeing the color pink also has rigid fixed thinking in general
>>58226979Kinda?>FightingA resistance sure but a weakness? I dunno Fighting has only been getting more & more cucked with Ghost running rampant because of Fairy's dominance>DarkCould really go either way, with Steel losing its resistance I feel as though Dark's been gaining enough traction to need another weakness but it probably shouldn't have been Fairy.>DragonGlad to see that something was done about Dragonspam, but it's a bit of an overcorrection with the sheer amount of privilege Fairy has & it's like they've learned absolutely nothing from Psychic's balancing issues.>PoisonGood, shame the type still kinda sucks despite the resistance+advantage because Fairys can just bypass with excellent coverage/Type combos.>SteelContinues to stay winning regardless of losing TWO ENTIRE resistances, no one was using Steel for coverage anyway so it's not like anything's really changed for it.>FireNifty, definitely needed another way to flex on meta types. Unrelated but it's crazy how Ghost made out like a fucking bandit with all the type shenanigans XY implemented.>BugHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>58226979Hi, campaignshitter! Did you forget that you can wall 99.99% of Fairy Types with a single Mono-Fire Pokemon?
>>58227079>Chansey becomes Fairy type>Still dies to Tackle
>>58227109On what planet?
>>58227079Why would Chansey benefit from gaining a weakness to Poison and Steel, two very common offensive types?
>>58227083Fairyfags preparing essays about how people are insecure every single time the type is slandered says more about them the people they accuse
>>58227118Nice ragebait. I'll pass for today.
>>58226979it needed another weakness or be weak to darkdark got cucked
>>58227127you feel threatened because you know the accusation is accurate
>>58227178Your accusation falls apart because I don't hate fairy and you doubling down only reaffirms my point
>>58227037> You don't hate it because it's too strong, otherwise you'd attack Steel and Water moreFairy buffed steel and put poison (the weakest type) indirect competition with steel (the strongest type before fairy was introduced). It's genuinely retarded design. We will never get a cool non Dragon Psuedo because of Fairy. Gamefreak will never have to fix ice because of fairy. Fuck fairy.
>>58227217They did fix Ice, though. They replaced Hail with Snow, which does infinitely more for Ice.
>>58227178What if it has nothing to do with masculinity and/or insecurity and one just doesn't really care for the type anyways?
Fairy-types are fine.The issue was nerfing Steel.
>>58227224Infinity times zero is zero
>>58227236Maybe if you're a campaignshitter.
>>58227239> campaignshitterVgcuck detected
>>58227242VGC? You mean the meta where ice and snow has legitimate value because of how useful Aurora Veil is?
>>58227247you do realize the average player doesnt use aurora veil, or really any non-damaging move besides dragon dance, if even that?
>>58227226Steel shouldn't be nerfed anymore, but making it so that you couldnt wall everything with Skarmory or Corviknight is rather important.
>>58227251You mean campaignshitters who play a campaign for toddlers where even a Magikarp can sweep the final boss?
>>58227260The average player is a casual yes but you're a faggot for saying campaignshitter.T. Collectorcuck.
Game Freak could have just not made draco and outrage, or better yet, not give every fucking dragon in the game BOTH of them.Salamence and Flygon were such a mediocre pokemon before Platinum threw caution to the wind and gave every dragon a 120 base power STAB with 100 accuracy on a high coverage type.
>>58227315Flygon was still mediocre even then
>>58227037I hate fairy because it made bug into a joke rather than help it to be a more average type
>>58227260I know competitive pokemon players are so much cooler than normies right
>>58226979I mean, The Immunity wasn't actually that bad for Dragon since it meant Outrage just whiffs and then let the Dragon pick a new move (Likely Steel or Poison coverage to still break the Fairy that switched into Outrage.) Ironically Fairy just resisting it would been a worse situation for Outrage Dragon spamming when it was added, though that is me going by an oldass XY era conversation i barely recall. The only thing that happened was now Dragons value getting Edgier so they get Steel and Poison coverage moves or Secondary Typing to cuck Fairy.The real loser if any was Eevee cause Sylveon gets a cut above the rest due basically being THE Type Postermon for Fairy while the others are just Mons of their types, Espeon and Umbreon already kinda did that but atleast they balanced the act between eachother and still put a choice on the table with their introduction. Ultimately it is what it is and can be argued to be that asude from it and Xerneas (Legendary with a the bells and whistles that came with that such as limited use.)Fairy had a weak outing on introduction/first impressions, though personally i like Swirlix. Ultimately it is what it is and Sylveon is here to stay.Fighting SE is fine cause of the sweets theming (Sugar and Desserts ruins physical conditioning), Dragon and Dark are also fine to be SE against, so offensively it is fine.Honestly looking at Paldea you can kinda see that Dragon/Dark/Fighting are doing perfectly fine. Though Paldea is an anamoly due Tera.Now with that said? Fairyfags are the worst Typefags on and off /vp/, and by a wide margin at that.
>>58227325>t. campaignshitter
>>58227101to be fair fighting and dark were stellar before fairy was added and only got worse/better (respectively) like a gen and a half after. imo late gen 5 FIGHTING was the best type in the game, not dragon. But it was definitely precarious.
>>58226979I think it did more good than harm, but it did still do some harm.I think its offensive matchups into Fighting, Dark, and Dragon are good. All of those types were too good in gen 5, and needed to be taken down a peg (see picrel). Plus, those types are still good now, just not overwhelmingly good.I think its defensive matchups into Fighting, Dark, and especially Dragon are good. Outrage was too free in gen 5, at least in singles. Having a whole type that could block it outright was good.Not a big fan of it resisting Bug. I feel like GF misunderstood why U-Turn was so good, but that's not a big deal, especially in doubles.I think its offensive matchups into Steel, Poison, and Fire are good. Those are all common types that you were bound to see on most teams (see picrel again).What I don't think is good is its negative defensive matchups, because Steel and Poison are both pretty weak types on the offensive side. Giving them one (1) more supereffective matchup doesn't make it worth running Steel and Poison coverage, as seen by the fact that non-STAB Steel and Poison coverage is still rare even now.I think the easy fix is just to give it a couple of weaknesses to good common coverage types.Fire, Ground, Ice, Rock, Flying, Psychic, Grass, Electric... just pick 2.I don't care which 2. And that type doesn't need to gain a resistance.
>>582275992 is absurd overkill. Just make it weak to Psychic and that alone is enough while also giving a good buff to Psychic which has become a pretty weak type outside of terrain.
>>58227101Poison does not suck at all.
>>58227606In what context(s)? Poison is my favorite type & outside of a few niche cases it's pretty lacking in a lot of areas even after Fairy's introduction.
>>58227603Psychic is not that offensively poor relative to others. Grass or Bug need it more.
People who think this should be shot in the street
>>58227646It's one of the absolute best defensive types in the game and while it's offensively relatively weak it still serves a unique niche as a fairy killer and having poison chance on your STAB is always useful. Also good utility with toxic and t spikes plus being a unique counter to those same moves.>>58227654Firstly Grass coverage is in the same situation as Poison and Steel and wouldn't be a significant nerf to fairy, basically nothing runs Grass coverage because almost nothing that isn't a Grass type actually gets it. Offensively it already has a good niche as a Water and Ground killer. Grass also has a decent defensive profile and lots of strong utility moves.Bug has so many resists for a reason, it has so many strong effects tied to its moves that if they weren't easy to resist they'd be total hell to play into. U-turn is the obvious one but also Leech Life, First Impression, and Lunge. Bug also has good defensive utility with the unique combination of Fighting and Ground resists.Now Psychic also doesn't really need a buff either but of the 3 types it's absolutely the most deserving and Fairy does need the nerf. Psychics are terrible defensively being weak to the most spammable moves in the game and offensively they have no real strengths other than being SE against Poison, being Fighting is barely relevant and their neutral coverage is just terrible. Their sole strength is being able to abuse terrain but outside of that Psychic types are pretty fucking bad, hitting Fairy would give them a use outside of just terrain spam teams while also being a notable nerf to Fairy because tons of stuff has Psychic coverage (they just don't use it unless they get literally nothing else because Psychic coverage is shit).
>>58227739>and Fairy does need the nerfno it doesn't
>>58227654I genuinely think psychic is the worst type in the game at the moment
>>58227741post ball ranks and timestamp
>>58226979worth it for the steel nerf
>>58227603I think Psychic is the best option, too.Tons of stuff gets Psychic coverage, and the fact that it's good against Poison and Fighting as well (two types that remain pretty common even now) and has a whole team style dedicated to it, means that it'll also encourage Psychic coverage on non-Psychic mons.
>>58227247Aurora Veil isn't competitively relevant in the slightest lmao.
>>58227037Fairy is fine aesthetically but good lord is it unbalanced.Not only does it neuter Dragon, it also shits on Bug for no reason and takes what little niche Psychic still had while being far better defensively.
>>58226979I think you missed the bizarro thread
>>58227127>hurr stupid dumb people typing more than 2 sentence replies durrI dont know where you retards come from but this is not the place for you
Psychic 2.0
>>58227965>no reasonEvery fairytale ever featuring the Fae folk AND real-world insects/bugs/invertebrates I'VE ever read as a kid portrayed the Fae folk as little humans vs the mindless, animalistic insects/bugs and invariably had the Fae treat the insects/bugs as pets or threats (where they'd use their fairy magic to attack and drive them off, if not kill them). There IS a reason, it's just baked into Fairy lore AND ties into the series presentation of the weak, shitty type. You don't like it however as it reaffirms what you cannot accept.
Replace Steel weakness with a Fire weakness. Because both Steel and Fairy deserve a nerf
>>58227739>NicheNot trying to be a dick but how is that any different from what I've said? I'll give it that Poison is one of the best Tera types out there but more than a good number of genuine Poison types are dead weight & even then once Tera goes away it's definitely not something every team will want to use when Steel is right there in abundance.I love Poison as a whole, but it deserves better than 2-3 mons carrying it.
>>58226979Alright, grandpa, the nursing home says your meds are ready, let's get you back.
>>58228226Every type has a niche, if a type was just generally strong in all scenarios it would be broken (i.e. Fairy). Poison works great as a strong defensive type with good utility moves and limited but key offensive uses.
>>58226979>nobody can tell what makes a fairy type a fairy type>like 5 mons people actually like and they could very well just not be Fairyyeah it sucks
>>58228477>if a type was just generally strong in all scenarios it would be broken (i.e. Fairy)true, water, steel, ghost, dragon, and fire are broken
>>58227083No, it doesnt work in reverse because there's no real pushback. "But if you think about it, arent you in the wrong for not steelmaning my arguments and ignoring my autistic screeching?" Its not a symmetrical argument, one side has nos argument and just just having a knee jerk response, and the other side thinks they're stupid for that. The arguments dont work in reverse.>cute isnt a type like fire is>but evil can be a type>oh and bug, bugs are an element>poison too I guess>normal? yeah, that's an elementRetard alert.
>>58227037I don't have a problem with Fairy being the cute type. What I do have a problem with is the execution. So many fairy types are just lame or ugly, especially the ones from their debut generation. Aromatisse is one of the ugliest mons in the game, and Slurpuff is a shitty food mon. I think Dachsbun is one of the worst designs in the series. Why the fuck is there a dog made of bread and why the fuck is it fairy type?
Fairy type is just the type of peaks and valleys. Mimikyu? Clefable? Iron Valiant? Togekiss? A. Ninetales? Cutiefly? All absolutely top tier kino designs that help define the type well and also are just all around good pokemon. But Impidimp? Milcery? Slurpuff? Aromatisse? Trash mons that are just pink or just cute, they muddle the types identity, they're bad and ugly pokemon in general. And why are so many fairy types foodmons? Fairy is just highs and lows, peaks and valleys.
I love how fairy is super effective against fighting type. Like masculine fighters HATE gay shit. You get a dude in a kimura and he starts beating you off, most dudes would just let go, but purest fighters, lock in on that shit.
>>58228629I like how Steel vs. Fairy is the simple statement that mecha > mahou shoujo
>>58228614>Mimikyu? Clefable? Iron Valiant? Togekiss? A. Ninetales? Cutiefly?literally all shit designs save for maybe A. Ninetales
>>58227329the campaign IS the game
>>58227079Dragapult is the only dragon that's relevant currently and that's only because it can outspeed most of everything and tera into mono ghost. Magearna alone makes Dragon's existence irrelevant and forces you to use Landorus, because Ground is actually a good type unlike fagon.
>>58226979Just the fact that it punched down on the already suffering bug type outweighs any arguable good it did.
>>58226979Harm? How does it harm anyone if there are more types to play with? Wait a second, you're not one of those faggots who thinks Pokemon is a serious competitive game, are you? Imagine thinking that Pokemon has ever been fair and balanced. Imagine thinking it ever can be. This is a game for children and for autistic collectors - if you want to play esports, fuck off.
>>58226979
Because of the fairy type we will never get another non-Dragon psuedo. Metagross and Tyranitar are inditement against the fairy type
>>58228826Its unrelated, schizo. The only non dragon psuedos were in general 2 and 3, and 3 had two anyways. Fairy wasn't in until gen 6. It was already a trend of dragons before fairy.
>another fairy seethe threadkek
>>58226979the only people who like fairy are insecure people who love to see other people feeling worse, so they take their organic dislike of it and frame it as deranged hatred to say stuff equiavelent to "u mad?" like >>58228894no one actually LIKES the fairy type
>>58227101Resist:Fighting PsychicGhostImmune to:DragonWeak against:DarkPoisonSteel-----------Attack effectiveness :2xGhostFighting +Alongside lots of Dragon nerfing status moves. +Also lots of Grass buffing moves0.5xSteelDarkGrassDark merely resists Psychic. Bug is the one immune to Psychic, but is not super effective against it. Steel resists Dark, but is week to ice and electric.
>>58228854> Its unrelated, schizoNo it isn't retard because the fairy nerfed dragon they are free to make all psuedos dragons without consequences. If they didn't make fairy they would be forced to end the trend dumbass.
>>58226979turned a whole generation into trannies.
>>58228985They werent forced to end it before, schizo.
>>58228898I do. Cope harder faggot.
>>58227965> and takes what little niche Psychic still had No it doesn’t. Psychic’s niche is psychic terrain, along with Psyshock and Expanding Force. It’s much more of an offensive juggernaut due to raw damage and the ability to circumvent opponents’ defenses. Fairy doesn’t have absurdly destructive moves like that. Types don’t exist in a vacuum where they’re only the sum of their on-paper matchups- something Gen 4 deceived many newfags with, with their approach to “homogenizing” the types via the phys/spec split and giving every type each a modestly powered physical and special move. Gen 6 didn’t just try to fix things by adding Fairy type; it gave passive buffs to other types to prevent them from just being color coded damage variants like Gen 4 had tried to turn them into.
>>58228747Take your dogfucker shit taste elsewhere.
>>58228633Because it’s true. mecha > magical girl slop
>>58228614>And why are so many fairy types foodmons?hilariously the most consistent signifier of fairy typing is being based off of a pastry
>>58229258And just like Steel and Fairy there is no need to choose when you can have Both.
>>58229085Retard they would be if the trend continued in with fairy's absense absence. 2 < 6
>>58229342>dragon psuedo for 3 gens straight pre gen 6>dragon psuedo for 3 gens straight post gen 6Hmmm, it must be gen 6s fault this is happening. I am very smart.
It's time to admit that if they introduced a type called "Blood" instead that had the same weaknesses and resistances, you wouldn't have an issue.
>>58229359Not sure about very smart but I can understand simple things you can't.
>>58229359> 2 non dragon psuedos before fairy > 0 after fairy.
>>58227037>Average fairycuck projection because they have no argument.
>>58229453>2 non dragon pseudos before the phys/spec split>0 after the phys/spec splitmore evidence the phys/spec split was a mistake
>>58229471Fairy was invented because Dragon was """"""overpowered"""""". Dragon was """"overpowered""" because it hogged all the psuedos.
>>58227079>It's another "it's the type that's the issue, not the fact that the mons that have it have 600 BST" midwit
>>58229528Thanks for describing the retards who think Fairy is OP.
>>58227226Good, steel should continue to get nerfed. It's existence alone is what made fighting and ground the most sought after coverage types. That should tell you enough about how broken the type is.Fairy should get actual weaknesses and not ones to types that don't exist offensively.
>>58229371I'd probably honestly have bigger issue cause overly Edgy and Gore focused stuff is annoying. It would still be in the same position with the minor overtune. Like you'd literally just reskin the Annoying Trannies attaching themselves to it with Edgy 40Ktards doing so.
>>58229540You are welcome sweaty
>>58229477A justification imagined by spergs so you have something to get mad about.
Why are campaignshitters like this?
>>58229566They explicitly call fairy a dragon nerf
>>58229528Chansey/Blissey accomplished quite a bit as a normal type, in which you usually have to be gimmicky af to accomplish that as a type that has no strengths. Give a great defensive typing to a mon who is carried by their raw stats alone, and the results are substantial. Simple as.
>>58229575fixed
>>58229614>They
>>58229664Honestly, Zacian had it so much better then Zamazenta in SwSh that you kinda undermine your own argument by including her regardless of the current situation cause that's fresh in memory, you'd make a better case without involving Tarddog who is just getting what it should have had to be competitive with Sworddog LAST gen (Body Press) for a bit of limelight. I would not be surprised if Zam loses it next gen and once against gets to sit in the Tard Corner now that it shown what it can do with it.
>>58228591Fairy bread, dumbass.
>>58226979>fuck dragons are too good>let's make a type even better than them>and let's buff steel types instead of nerfing them>also FUCK the bug type
>>58229907>>let's make a type even better than themyou don't play the game
>>58229919>draco meteor immunity for switch-in threats>resists close combat, knock off, u-turn>weak to poison and steel but who cares besides lmao, only gholdengo and landorus run strong moves of those types>strong single hit and spread special stab options, physical stab can miss but most mons are strong special attackers
>>58229942>B-B-B-BUT IT RESISTS THINGS!!! AND I CAN ONLY DAMAGE IT IF THE SUPER EFFECTIVE TEXT IS ON THE SCREEN!!you're right water is broken
>>58229948Fuck anon, we gotta get you to the hospital right now for Delivery then.
>>58228073>AND ties into the series presentation of the weak, shitty type.in the 90s when this was a linear standard JRPG but nowadays there's no reason for bug (or ANY type) to be the designated shitty type. obviously there's going to be a worst type but a type always being weak is just fucking stupid. it doesn't even have to be a type chart thing, just let the mons themselves compensate in other ways like powerful moves/abilities or great stat spreads, balanced by a lousy type. hell even the things mostly exclusive to bugs like webs & tinted lens aren't that widely distributed
>>58229977Uhh, yeah there is. To show some progression from meeting shitty weak types to meeting the strongest of the pack. The problem is you're a bugchaser who thinks because (You) love them so muchest, they NEED tyo be good, when devs know they should be the shit type, even Tajiri didn't let his fee-fees get in the way of his game design (given the whole series was borne out of his love of bug collecting). Time you grew up and accepted your place.
>>58229711As in Gamefreak not trigglypuff
>>58230002That's Normal's job
>>58229545The only type that really got boosted by Steel's existence is Fire, because it sucked ass before then. Ground has always had Earthquake, Fighting only sucked early because it had no good moves.
>>58230081>didn't play Gen 1Normal's job was to be middle of the road. Tauros and Persian were death machines, Snorlax was strong as fuck. But couldn't solo the League, Bruno fucked them up, despite they walling part of Agatha. Bug's job is to be the early game "ace in the hole" before being replaced by something far stronger.
>>58230081as normal's #1 enthusiast im perfectly fine accepting my favorite type's place, maybe you should accept yours? it's literally more fun to win with a disadvantage anyways, every dog has its day.
>>58230002>To show some progression from meeting shitty weak types to meeting the strongest of the packno reason why the progression from getting weaker pokémon to stronger ones needs to be tied to their type.
>>58227118What could have happened to Chansey happened to Clefable.https://youtu.be/jbioDB0puBA?si=o0JRcxwfcLvh1kqbKeep in mind that Clef's stat distribution is dogshit compared to Chansey. Chansey probably had to start normal just so their niches could be more distinct from each other.
>>58226979It just made Steel and Poison types more based
>>58226987Why did they made it's atk so weak.I love the mold breaker supportive role it has but they really over corrected with it's atk stat.
>>58227739>Offensively it already has a good niche as a Water and Ground killer.That niche is shit. Water types are better to deal with ground because they don't have a billion weaknesses that make it more likely for the mons they try to threaten to have super effective coverage move and every water type learns a good ice move for some reason. Also having a billion type that resists grass means that a lot of those ground and water type mons will be neutral to grass
>>58230928> "buffs" poison by putting in direct competition with steel
>>58231016You don't know what you're talking about. Bulky water and ground types are extremely common and many teams will run both as general checks to a lot of threats, and Grass (other than Freeze Dry) is the only thing in the game that hits both, which is hugely important.>Also having a billion type that resists grass means that a lot of those ground and water type mons will be neutral to grassAnd there are also a lot that aren't, like the common Water/Fairy or Ground/Dark types, and of course the ever popular Water/Ground which is only weak to Grass..Grass types do have some major limitations but they have literally always had a place in the meta because Grass is such a key type for hitting so many important Pokemon. Having a unique super effective combination against 2 of the strongest types in the game is undeniably a powerful trait and you're massively underselling it.
>>58231492Also, support movepool.Grass types have some of the best support movepools.
>>58228894would
>>58227965Gen 4 made dragon absolutely retarded with outrage buffed to 140 bp and draco meteor existing, you're insane if you think them adding an actual counter to dragon was a bad thing.
>>58232369>with outrage buffed to 140 bplmao, retard
>>58229561>Fairy is still that strong despite these base stats>meanwhile every dragon that isn't a pseudo or a legendary gets shaftednot fair bros
>>58231492In OU, the only grass type with more than 5% usage is ogerpon and it will only tera water and use its water type ivy cudgel because it 2 shots almost anything, even toxapex. You will very rarely see it click power whip.In VGC regulation I among the top 50, you got rillaboom who is entirely carried by its 55 priority move boosted by stab AND terrain. Ogerpon who rarely runs offensive grass movetypes. Whimsycott who never runs an offensive grass move and brute bonnet who is carried by spore.I genuinely don't think that it is the combination of hitting waters and grounds and not fundamentally broken moves that are helping these mons out.
>>58230852Huh, I never used Clefable at any point, and I always figured it was a literal who until gen 6. Didn't see that coming.
>Dragon needed a nerfHow many relevant Dragon-types have had a sub-600 BST.It's almost like the type itself was never the issue, but the mons that had it.
>>58233632The obvious solution was to give Ice resistance to Dragon.>but it's supposed to be the glass cannon typeRetarded. Why introduce a type that's just as hard hitting that do the exact same thing while having resistances to only very uncommon and bad offensive types and IMMUNITY to Dragon?
>>58233897>resistances to only very uncommon and bad offensive typesweaknesses*
>"Hey I think Fairy type is sort of overtuned.">"UH OH DRAGONKEK MELTY YOU ARE JUST FRAGILE"
>>58233632>It's almost like the type itself was never the issue,except it was>>58233919>>"Hey I think [blatantly wrong thing that proves I don't play the game]
>>58233897>Why introduce a type that's just as hard hitting that do the exact same thingFairy types have a 140BP special STAB and a 120BP phyysical STAB with almost no resistances in the whole game?
>>58233971They have Moonblast which is just as bad with 33% special attack drop. It's only resisted by 3 types in the game. Also nobody's using Ice Burn. Icicle Spear is a problem but it's one that could have been mitigated by not making Loaded Dice a thing. Hopefully that item. That item and Eviolite (which itself was a response to gen 4's awful cross gen evos) had horrible consequences for the series.
>>58234024>a 142BP move with 3 resistances is just as bad as a 210BP move with 1 resistancemost intelligent campaignshitter
>>58234036Which is why Rock and Ice should resist Dragon instead of Fairy being a thing. Balance what you have instead of introducing new broken shit. GF can't seem to understand this.
>>58234053>Which is why Rock and Ice should have their identities ruined for people terrible at the game instead of Fairy being a thingNah.
>>58234053>Balance what you have instead of introducing new broken shitGood thing that's exactly what they did then.
>>58234053I don't know what the people who replied to you are smoking Rock and Ice resisting Dragon would be very reasonable
>>58233897>>but it's supposed to be the glass cannon typeThis is correct, though.Ice is arguably the best offensive type in the game, so having it also be arguably the worst defensive type is a kind of balance. I don't think it needs more resistances, I think other types need less Ice coverage.That said, something needed to be immune to Dragon. Not just resistant, but immune, in order to shut down Outrage.Fairy wasn't well-implemented, but the Dragon immunity was not the problem.
>>58229723You could give a Bug/Normal mon Gen 8 Zacian’s build and an equivalent signature move and it would still be the literal top dog. Crowned form barely utilized its fairy typing either offensively or defensively in AG or VGC.
>>58234024Moonblast isn’t nearly as bad as Scald/Knock Off/Earthquake, or even Ice Beam really. I guess we need to ban Water/Dark/Ground/Ice types.
>>58230932It probably had access to Huge Power or something equivalent but they changed their mind and forgot to fix the stats afterwards.
>>58227965>neuter Dragonand that's a good thing>>58228633anon, classic fae folk are despicted being very weak to iron
>>58227037The devs DO use fairy as the generic “cute stuff” type though.Personally I hate what GF has done with the Fairy type more than anything else. Shit like Azumarill and Dedenne have no rhyme or reason being fairy types. Fairy mons should be based on, you know, actual FAIRY TALES. We should have a gremlin pokemon that messes with Steel or Electric types, or an 80 foot tall giant beanstalk pokemon, or even something goofy like a Fairy/Ground garden gnome. Hell, this beta design from G/S would do great as a Dark/Fairy Big Bad Wolf pokemon. Instead we get Generic Pink Blob/Round Cute Animal #287
>>58230002>criticizing random anon for his irrational hateboner for the fairy type>has an irrational hateboner for the bug typeHaving the types ranked hierarchically is just dogshit game design in the context of a game that’s primarily made to be played in an online competitive multiplayer format>inb4 most kiddies/casuals only play main storyYou and I both know very well GF doesn’t give a rat’s ass about the main story and haven’t for years. Everything about nuPokemon game design suggests it to be a glorified 10 hour funnel gently guiding casual players to VGC/online. That’s why they took out the postgame and the battle facilities, that’s why they madd obtaining perfect comp mons piss easy with mints and bottlecaps, that’s even why they added fairy in the first place - TO BALANCE COMPETITIVEAlso, if you believe that some types should just be inherently superior then there should be nothing wrong with Gen 4/5 Dragons utterly mogging every other type, right? Somehow Bug deserves its fate as the go-to Weak Type but having a go-to Strong Type (Dragon) is LE BAD lmao
>>58227654Grass is fine, it was always meant to be a defensive/utility type anyways. Resisting Ground, Water AND Electric and having the best lineup of recovery and status is its main niche.
>>58234036>210BP moveI can tell YOU’re the campaignshitter since you keep referencing absolute garbage recharge moves like freezeshock/iceburn as if they’re viable competitive options lmao. The strongest Ice move that sees actual play is Blizzard and even then it needs weather up to be viable. The strongest spammable Ice move is Ice Beam which is pretty average at 90 BP.
>>58227101dont forget utterly powercreeping psychic into irrelevance and stealing the ice type dragon slaying niche
>>58234262Especially Ice, Dragons are reptiles which makes them cold blooded so being weakened by the cold (and doing reduced damage as a result) makes perfect sense.
>>58235619Outrage isn’t a recharge move.
>>58235634It's not 210 BP either.
>>58234262>>58235624In a pre-Fairy world, having Ice resist Dragon would help to give them a legitimate niche as the Dragon slayers while allowing Dragons to still be strong otherwise with great neutral coverage and several useful resistances. You’d have a reason to run both types on your team ignoring individual mon traits.
