Elite Four Bruno edition/padt/ is completely dominated by Horizons chat. Talk about the 1,339 original series episodes and associated 23 movies here without butting into and disrupting the discussion of Horizons.>Pokémon TV on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@OfficialPokémonTVPrevious: >>58220478
2nd for BOOBUR
SM is peak, Lillie is peak. Serena deserved to get whored out.Also where is Scott?
>>58227698SM is carried hard by Rirrie-chan and the other girls
>>58227698Ash should had won in XYZ, so he could've had retire at that point, and SM could have been a reboot with Selene as the MC
>>58227751I absolutely hated SM but I think this is a great idea. Squandered opportunity not to have chicken chan as the main character.
>>58227751>>58227758I remember back in the early days post XY, that Chicken would be a companion, and theories saying she's Ash's cousin.
>>58227751Ash should win in XYZ and SM should be his vacations as some kind of additional, material award. After that throw the final arc (maybe crossed over with Rainbow Rocket?) and Gen 8 would have Gou as a protag and go full into shilling GO and other spinoffs.
>>58227766>Gen 8 would have Gou as a protag and go full into shilling GO and other spinoffs.Nah, Gou is a faggot. The character should never have been invented. It was years too late to capitalise on the momentum from GO anyway.The Galar anime should have been a) an actual anime adaptation of the games and not a minor part of Journeys like it was and b) had characters from the games as protagonists.They should have had Gloria be the protagonist, first Scottish character.
>>58227751This or Gloria for JN to follow up Ash's SM victory could've actually saved anipoke. Chicken chan was minor meme celebrity status and Gloria memes were being spammed everywhere, the two of them could've killed as MCs.And Nemona should've been the protagonist for the SV anime. Her psychopathic battle tendency was such an easy in and they blew it.
>Could have had Ash and Marnie as a duo >Got Pokemon Go shilling instead God…damn…it.
>>58227799>ruin marnie by pairing her with a brown boyno thanks.
>>58227804Nips aren't brown you stupid cunt. You need your eyes tested
>>58227807Don't care. Ash is at least 50 shades of brown darker than Marnie.Besides, Marnie is for Gloria.
>>58227807Excuse him. He’s a dubtard and thinks that Ash is brown and Brock is black. They’re too mentally challenged.
>>58227809Ah you're gay so that's why you're retarded, makes sense
>>58227811Cope however you want. Even if Marnie was Ash's sidekick he still wouldn't love her. Better to not taint her image.
>>58227810AY ASH MY NIGGER GET YO ASS UP OUTTA BED WE GOT SOME PURPLE DRANK FO BREKFAST
>>58227814The consequences of the Netflix adaptation cannot be understated…
>>58226939>DP and XY are considered the best seasonsIts DP and OS series that considered to be the best.>they're the only ones that put any weight behind side characters and rivalsA newbie who only existed to be a punching bag and an edgelord that doomed a region yet got rewarded without facing consequences. This ain't weight.
>>58227830what the fuck are you talking about retard
>>58227832He’s a delusional faggot.
>>58227830Seething over Alain 24/7 isn't healthy. Get a job Fagmon, they'll never make your power trip fantasies
>>58227832Too much of Brock's purple drank potion
>>58227814Ayo you gotta let me rape her, Ash!
Every time people complain about Misty it just sounds like they self insert as Ash and want to fantasize about having whatever girlfriend Ash has rather than viewing them as actual characters. It sucks because there are some serious flaws with her writing that get drowned out because 90% of her discussion comes from bitter shippers.
>>58227871That's the case with all the girls who join Ash's party or even exist in the same frame as him. Discussion about the pokegirls gets drowned out by the self inserters who want to fuck them.
>>58227871>people Misty terrible because she offered nothing of worth to the anime>"90% of her discussion comes from bitter shippers."We could be here all day talking about Misty's character for ages, and your brain would not compute anything but "le shipping" just to make yourself feel "right".
>>58227896>*people call Misty terribleDammit.
>>58227871Every girl after misty had the same personality.
>>58227871You can tell someone's dumb when their issue with the character is "She's too mean to Ash" it usually means they're self inserting and want Ash to travel with companions they can imagine fucking. The real issues surrounding her are simply that literally all of her subplots are completely terrible.
>>58227896I don't know how you read my post saying that the shipping discussion was tiresome and concluded that I somehow meant that all critique ofMisty is shipping.I am not dismissive of people who like her or Serena, but you know for a fact that for Pokegirls and ESPECIALLY those two the discussion is tainted by angry shippers who's priority isn't criticizing the writing but pushing the legitimacy of their favorite ship.
>>58227900There have been instances in these threads where issues surrounding Misty's characters have been brought up, some not even involving Ash in any capacity. So why couldn't (You) offer anything of worth to those times?
>>58227908Fair point. That was not my opinion at all.
>Shippingshit>Low tier /pol/shit>Immediate SM vs XY shitflingingThis is just /padt/ but only with the terrible posts ffs. Just end /ptsd/, this is the rebirth of the cancer.
>>58227933Or just make it a weekly thread, having a general invites all kinds of mebtal illness
>>58227933You say this every thread
>>58227751Ash wouldn't be retired after winning a regional league. Did he retire after Alola? No.
>>58228153>Did he retire after Alola? No.Unfortunately.
It does suck that we never had Ash and Nemona interact. They could have gave her a one off episode in MPM
>>58227933Or maybe you could ignore this thread and stay in your hugbox like the faggots here do about modern /padt/
>>58227832I am talking about XYfags insistence on XY series being the most important despite it got mogged by Youkai Watch. Truth is that the anime only needs three things for another XY series --> 1. Ash aura-farming > 2. High budget animation with better artstyle > 3. An very attractive lead girl as Ash's love interest. Its that easy, if SM series never changed artstyle and maintain same high budget animation as XY&Z with Ash on cooler clothes and Mallow as his new love interest than all the XYfags would have praised SM series as the best even if nothing else changed.
>>58227764Reminder of what we could've had.
>>58228598Reminder of what we got instead.God I hate SM.
>>58227799They'd probably want Team Yell to last longer than 2 episodes so for a SwSh series they'd probably go with Sonia as the Brock analogue and Misty as the female lead..
>>58227758If Ash is ever confirmed to hook up with any girl from the franchise, I want it to be her, just so everyone can collectively facedesk after hyping up the event six months in advance.
How would you make a Battle City arc work with Pokémon?
>>58228407When we see adult ash, nemona will be his wife. Screencap this post.
I'm happy Cynthia's VA got to be on the show one final time...RIP, never forgotten...
>>58227751>>58227758>>58228606What kind of niche Chicken chan would even have? The SM cast already felt bloated already.
>>58228407But Ash isn't addicted to battles like Nemona is. Why do people pretend he is?
>>58229101Because starting around XY and SM, but especially Journeys, the writers started pushing for Ash to be more of a battle obsessed autist than ever before.
>>58229153Not enough to call him an obsessed battle autist like Nemona. Even Leon was more obsessed than him.
>>58227898This is not true at all. Dawn and Serena are very much different from Misty amd each other. May had some similar traits but she was different as well. You could say Iris was equal to early OS Misty though.
>>58227871I will be really honest. I was shocked by how bad Misty was in the first few episodes of OS. Particularly, the Caterpie episode she was such a cunt.Though I like when Misty was mean because Ash was kinda mean back to her too. They were just kids that liked getting under their friend's skin and I appreciate that.
What went wrong with Serena?
>>58230484They made her as a love interest, but Ash has to be dense the entire time.It's NaruHina without the ending payoff.
>>58230484They nerfed her for some reason.Does Yajima have a misogynist streak?
>>58227751Issue is, they didn't give Ash a good final opponent in XY.Sure the viewer knows Alain from his special episodes, but Ash barely knew him, there's no friendship, there's no rivalry. A victory in Kalos would've been hollow (they should've swapped Alain with Shota/Sawyer and it would've been better)Ash and Gladion were friends and rivals who respected each other and had many adventures together. Ending the league with a battle against this good friend/rival and then following it with a father and son battle was the best way to handle a league victory
Alain would've won against Leon if he actually used his strong Pokemon.
>>58230596>wasn't allowed to use all gimmicks like Ash was>didn't get to use his full team against Champion "I'm only known for my Charizard meaning I have an advantage when team sizes are smaller" Leon like Ash didThe director had a hateboner for Alain.
I have an autistic copout that I think only I would likePokemon XY or BW should have been a continuity reboot like the I Choose you movie. The entire Kalos series doesn't acknowledge any prior series. Throw the shippers a bone. Ash marries Misty at the end of Johto. Then Serena at the end of Kalos. It makes no difference because Ash's characterization is so different between those seasons that he's effectively a different character.I am a shipperfag. A MULTI shipperfag. I have been shipping for years.
>>58230609>finally give Ash a fully evolved pseudo>release it shortly after its evolution>comes back for the league just to job...
>>58230744It's a callback to OS Ash relying on Charizard even though he hadn't used it in dozens of episodes.
>>58230744
>>58230771Say whatever you want about the frog but it did have a really cool fighting style
>>58230833It was robbed.
>>58230730>>>>>MistyIf the point was to "throw shippers a bone" it would've been Dawn. It's not like the writers would be aware of all these dub lines that pushed the idea of Misty being in love with Ash, and nips never cared much for that pairing.
>>58230616> Guy that only Charizard for every fight.> Take 6 years to get his 2ND onscreen defeat against the World Champion that streamrolled champion of his own region on Master eight after becoming one of the eight strongest trainers in the world> Oh no, Alain is such an victim, Alain is discarded, please feel sorry for Alain.Alainfags are exactly like Alain, both share the same victim complex as they thinks themselves to be the only ones suffering in the world when in actuality they suffered absolutely nothing.
>>58231303>ESLtl;dr opinion discarded.
Let's be honest Alain was the only reason people cared about the anime again
>>58231416> Alainfags actually thinks thatXY&Z got freaking mogged by Youkai Watch so I guess Alain caused people to stop caring about Pokémon anime.
>>58229056>What kind of niche Chicken chan would even have?Gigachad
>>58230484I like her and amour but they shouldn't have toned down her personality from the first couple of episodes. It's been noticed by a lot of people that she is toned down a lot after the very beginning of XY.Other than that, not doubling down with the romance. The way they ended things was ONLY ever going to be enough if they actually followed it up, which they didn't.
Comfy kino
>>58231607Ash in the early XY series behaved more like SM Ash. Those who doubt this should rewatch the first two XY episodes. It seems the writing staff had a different idea initially, but an executive probably scrapped it, wanting Pokémon to resemble modern Naruto.In the original Pokémon writing style, Serena would likely be a proper, prim, beautiful lady whom every guy admires but has a temper and odd quirks, like Nurse Joy, Jasmine, and Lacey. Her crush on Ash would be treated as a quirk rather than a subplot. Serena as an assertive simp who openly flirts and makes moves on Ash fits better than a submissive one waiting for her crush to confess.
>>58231607>toned downNigga she just started interacting with people other than her mom.
>>58232283>they put Misty behind the snowman because they knew how dumb it would look to have her standing there building a snowman in short shorts and a crop top.Heh
>>58230484I never cared about Serena but the real problem was that they tried to shove romance (one-sided at that) in just another season instead of THE FINAL SEASON, granted you can say they probably tried to end Ash's run in XY and some autist stopped them
>>58231539SM got freaking mogged by Youkai Watch even harder. That's because Alain wasn't the protagonist.
>>58233403>SM got freaking mogged by Youkai Watch even harder.Please Youkai Watch started to die during SM series, specially when they tied to be mature serious anime like XY&Z and Horizons with Shadowside.
>>58233441So Alain freaking mogged Youkai Watch and SM was such a flop that it died even without Youkai Watch. At this point it's obvious Alain was the only reason people cared about the anime again.
> Serena interacts with Ash the same way as Mallow. > Serena and Ash interact like stereotypical childhood friends after the time skip.Which is better? Serena's new personality in the JN series is fine, but her poor interaction with Ash remains an issue. It took me a while to realize personality and character interaction differ because of MPM episode 02. Koharu shares Rikka's aloof personality from SSSSS Gridman but never gained similar popularity due to her weak interactions with Ash and Goh.
>>58233457> Alainfags are trolling again XY&Z mogged by Youkai watch while SM series perform better than Youkai Watch. It proves Alain to be the reason people stop caring about pokemon anime.
>>58233581Please Alain is the only reason people got excited for the anime again.
>>58233588Yet the XY series is often mentioned for Ash's coolness, his love interest, and its sakuga animation.
>>58233657not SM or JN so this proves Alain is the only reason people gave a damn.
>>58233664>not SM or JNSM series will always be remembered for Ash league win and fun characters like Lana & Kiawe. JN series will be remember for Ash becoming World Champion, Those two will already be more relevant than a nothing series like XY&Z series.
>>58232827>they probably tried to end Ash's run in XY and some autist stopped themI'm fully convinced this is what happened.
>>58233703>SM series will always be rememberedfor being a flop. Face it Alain was what saved the pokemon anime but the chuuni executive got jealous and removed him.
>>58233711>>SM series will always be remembered for being more successful than XY/XY&Z and performing better than Youkai Watch after Alain ruined the anime.
>>58233712In fact SM flopped so hard that even Yokai Watch trying to copy Alain and it flopped.
>>58233707Nope considering how distant XY and XY&Z were to past series. Even Professor Oak and Delia barely appeared in the series.
>>58233719And this proves that Alain is what made the anime interesting again because there no connection to Ash past
>>58233715>In factXY&Z flopped so hard due to Alain that OLM mimicked Yo-kai Watch with the SM series, which succeeded.
>>58233727>XY&ZMore interesting than SM which is why people talk about it instead of SM
>>58233722>And this proves that Alain is what made the anime interesting againWhich proves Alain was such a bad characters that writers had to avoid mentioned anything from past series, no wonder XY&Z flopped.
>>58233733>SMMore interesting than XY&Z which is why people talk about it instead of XY&Z.
>>58233734>Which proves Alain wasWhy XY so popular. In fact if it were not for Ash not being interested in girls then XY be even more popular with Ash x Serena.
>>58233741>>Which proves Alain was Why XY&Z so unpopular to the point kids preferred Youkai Watch over XY&Z.
>Homeless lolcow Famon getting poked around by another bored anonCan the mods just permaban the former and call it a day? The threads dip in quality the moment that hobo opens his mouth for his fantasies.
>>58233739>Morebland and uninteresting than XY&Z because nobody talk about it.>>58233746>Why XY&Z sopopular that people always talk about it and cannot go one minute without talk about Alain or Serena.In fact if you cannot prove that Alain and Serena the whole reason people got excited for the anime again then I not reply to you anymore because at this point it's obvious that it looks like people lose interest in SM.
>>58233753>XY&ZBland and uninteresting than SM because nobody talk about it. >popular that people always talk about itPeople always talk about Ash and his series, XY&Z is only mention because Ash was "cool" there and Serena is popular because she simps over Ash instead of Alain. >In fact if you cannot prove that Alain and Serena the whole reason people got excited for the anime againI already did with Youkai Watch's performance, you haven't prove a thing,
>>58233762Hmm nope you did not prove anything in fact you only proved even more that Alain and Serena the only reason people gave a damn because SM flop without them and get no discussions.I am not reply to you anymore because at this point it's obvious you have a hateboner for Alain and Serena and in fact are just a self inserter who angry that Alain stronger than Ash and needed to be sabotaged to lose to Leon.
>>58233774>Hmm nope you did not prove anythingI have proved that XY&Z failed to compete with Youkai Watch which lead to SM series being so wakey. The only reason some people are still obsessed with XY&Z is because of their idea of "Cool" Ash and Serena as his love interest. If JN series had more budget and Serena became the third research fellow with Ash & Goh than all XYfags would have considered JN series as the best series.
>>58230765>>58230771>>58230833We need Yajima back. I can't believe he only worked 1 year as an action director for Horizons.
>>58233570>Koharu shares Rikka's aloof personality from SSSSS Gridman but never gained similar popularity due to her weak interactions with Ash and Goh.Anon she was NEVER going to be Rikka's popularity because Rikka is a set of fat thighs. AniPoke post-Adv is too infantile to have sex appeal
>>58234209You're wasting your time on a deranged fucker who wants characters to be virtually everyone else except themselves:https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/search/image/fkWOAuU-rJskITtktud7Lw/
>>58234169>can't believe he only worked 1 year as an action director for Horizons.I'm not interested in that series but the fucker can direct fight scenes good enough, what happened?
>>58234231Contract expired. Are you morons unaware of different forms of employment for animation work? XY was largely carried by a shit ton of freelancers who did one episodes inbetween.God the brain cells went down the gutter on this board.
> Game Bugsy is humble, anime Bugsy is witty and snarky.> Game Whitney is a crybaby, anime Whitney genki and mature.> Game Jasmine is sweet, anime Jasmine is more serious and strict.> Game Clair is stuck-up and arrogant, anime Clair is honourable & fair. Which version you preferred?
>>58234289You seeking employment instead of asking shit about the anime and then getting anal not even a full hour later about not getting the answers you wanted to hear.
Explain this amourniggers lmao>>58233302>>58234124>>58234207>>58234221
>>58234231His talent was recognized and he got hired to work on better anime. A lot of the animators and writers also got gobbled up and left after XY.It really was anipoke's swan song.
>>58234289> Game Gary is strong and became champion, anime Gary was nerfed and couldn't even beat an elite 4> Game Misty is a strong gym leader, anime Misty was nerfed and forced to babysit Ash> Game May is a proud daughter of a Gym leader and became champion, anime May was a nerfed disappointing daughter of a Gym leader and afraid of pokemon> Game Serena is a powerful condifent rival to the champion, anime Serena is a nerfed wimp who based her entire life around a boy who doesn't even love herI prefer the games. The only thing the anime did right was Ash, Brock, Paul, Hunter J, Nando, and Goh.
>>58234521>> Game Gary is strong and became champion, anime Gary was nerfed and couldn't even beat an elite 4That is Blue , not Gary >Game Misty is a strong gym leader, anime Misty was nerfed and forced to babysit AshGame Misty never had a Mega Gyarados >> Game May is a proud daughter of a Gym leader and became champion, anime May was a nerfed disappointing daughter of a Gym leader and afraid of pokemon>> Game Serena is a powerful condifent rival to the champion, anime Serena is a nerfed wimp who based her entire life around a boy who doesn't even love herCorrection, it was the player's accomplishment..Anime May definitely the most well written character in the show. She had the most character development among lead girls. Can't defend XY and XY&Z series since it was screwed to glorify Alain.
>>58234521>The only thing the anime did right was ... Goh.Cool bait
>>58234979>Anime May definitely the most well written character in the show.I think she was written alright, but I think she is too good too soon. I think Dawn and Serena are more interesting on that regard. But it's my personal opinion, of course.
>>58234979>That is Blue , not GarySo you admit Ash got an easier rival than Red>Game Misty never had a Mega Gyaradosmega did not exist in gen 1>Correction, it was the player's accomplishment.Nope this is proof you did not play the games>Anime May definitely the most well written character in the showYep except for the fact she is afraid of pokemon despite being a gym leader's daughter which was done to nerf her just like everyone else was nerfed
>>58235012>you admit Ash got an easier rival than RedGary wasn't easy however Ashnime Pokémon World was more tougher since Pokémon league are just a building and everybody is programmed to make the players happy. >mega did not exist in gen 1Gen 01 wasn't any better than anime Misty.>this is proofThat you are the one who doesn't understand the game.>she is afraid of pokemon despite being a gym leader's daughterYou mistook May for Lillie, May simply didn't like pokemon until she met Ash.
>>58235080So basically everyone was nerfed in the anime.At this point it's obvious that I rather prefer the stronger game characters. In fact if Serena was not nerfed she probably have beaten up Alain to defend Ash.
>>58235083>So basically everyone was nerfed in the anime.Nobody is seeing Steven's Metagross throwing hands with Primal Groudon and Kyogre in the games, that only happens in the anime, so you're wrong already.None of the game protags are on Ash's level, self-inserter. By design, Ash transcends the game's limitations. If Ash is having trouble, then the game protags would get embarrassed even more in his shoes. Red? A Ritchie victim.It's a point of exposing who the real frauds are if they can't give Ash a real challenge. None of those characters from the games, the pussies, are built for the anime world. They're fucking twigs and the pokemon they raise are shitters when compared to Ash who transcends the confines of the games canonically. Ash doesn't need his pokemon to win, they would get their entire skeletons shattered from a single tackle from Ash, the guy that will throw hands with any villain on sight. Fact, game characters that are added to the anime and become a complete part of its world are upgraded versions from their game counterparts in terms of being a trainer. Lyra was the weakest of the bunch and couldn't find any meaningful way to survive as a trainer and had to live as a breeder instead. Gold, in his brief appearance in a movie was getting his team flossed by Ash's. The guy who beats Red isn't even worth the effort. Ash when he was added to MasterSex was getting the hype like he deserved and Red wanted to fight him.
>>58235438How would you react if Alain try to bully Ash but then Serena mega evolve Absol and one shot Alain Mega Charizard X humorosly. This basically prove that Serena only nerfed so chuuni executive can promote he OCs.Then Serena could mentored Ash to mega evolve his pokemon so Ash can defeat Alain by himself.
>>58235445Never gonna happen, Serena is Lyra tier, aka could not survive in the anime world as a trainer in the transition because she was too weak from the games. Every brief protag appearance shows them to be underachievers because they don't have the players to carry them. The worst case is Red who jobs consistently to everyone once he stops being the protagonist. Gold victim. Nate victim. Selene Victim. The Let's Go Pikachu protag's victim. I could go on. Game protags are not fighting on their own, every fight is actually a 2v1 because they have the players themselves commanding them. This is clear cut that without them they do not go far in the anime. Meanwhile, Ash is a true self-made man who needs zero player input to become what he is.
>>58235465How would you react if Tobias met May from the games and she one shot his Latios and Darkrai with her Mega Rayquaza and Primal Groudon humorosly.
So, why is this faggot here instead of his thread baiting that other retard?
>>58235487What faggot? The ESL one who throws a fit whenever someone doesn't agree with his SI or coom fantasies and can't stop seething about Alain, not realising he's cancer to the discussion or people dip when he's awake and when prompted blames everyone else instead? Or the one mockingly mimic the aforementioned ESL in a case example to make it clear how stupid his tantrums are?
>>58235501Both, Famon goes away if you ignore him but the other guy is just baiting him
>>58227691For a long time, I thought this guy was Ash's father.
>>58227751>>58227758In any case with SM's formula Selene could easily slot herself in as one of the students. Wonder what her starter or team would be.
>>58236211Gloria also could have been the third research fellow with Ash and Goh.
Bruh
>>58237174That's an alright modern adaption. My only complaint is how zoomed it is on the right, unless for some reason the screenshotter didn't capture the full thing. The little gate at the bottom, the dirt road with large rocks strewn about, and the little guardrail at the corner at important amounts of soul.
>>58237174>removed the two windows on the roofSovlless
This bitch was evil
>>58237226How long would it take this woman to kidnap Liko and Terapagos and deliver them to Gibeon? My guess: 15 minutes max.
>>58237280>kidnapLiko would be dead.
>>58237280>15 minutesThat's not how the anime pacing works. It would take at least 60 episodes for her to do anything meaningful.
>>58237293Please don't compare her to Likonime character. Hunter J is smart, resourceful, has an army of competent grunts and completely unhinged. RVT only has Friede as any actual fighter while everybody else are useless. By the time Friede know what happened, he and the entire RVT would be petrified by J's handgun as she takes Liko and Terapagos.
>>58237314Oh you're just a salty faggot.
>>58237174ruined
I like Ash's house, also kinda funny how all his friends are basically rich
>>58238482Home...
>>58238482Which makes Ash more accomplished, no magic bloodline or special rich parents.
>>58238482
>>58238933He literally has the most special bloodline in the world proven by the lucarios and his mother is rich enough to afford a house near the professor of the region plus all of Ash's travel and pokemon ranching fees.
>>58239065>He literally has the most special bloodline in the world proven by the lucarioMultiple people has Lucario and cau use Aura as proven by Roy. Forget bloodline, we don't even know who Ash's father supposed to be.>his mother is rich enough to afford a houseYou mean a small house in a countryside too poor to afford a pokemon center? What ? Did you expect Ash's family to be homeless?
>>58239182Yeah, no.
>>58239189Yeah yes
>>58237202>That's an alright modern adaption.Retard
Are Blue and Gary the same person? Since Professor Oak can have multiple grandchildren and we have never seen Daisy Oak in the show despite being Blue's older sister. Maybe she never appeared to cheer for her younger brother because Gary wasn't her brother.
>>58239458>noooo the image isn't blurry and washed out with a piss and shit bloom filter!
>>58237174ICY mogs. Too bad the real Ashime wasn't like ICY.
>>58239516You mean the movie where Ash was a massive mary sue? No thank you
>>58239467>Are Blue and Gary the same person?Yes. The "Red" and "Blue/Green" names weren't canonized as THE official names until gen 2, so during 1, official marketing etc was pretty inconcsistent on whether they called the protagonist character "Red" or "Satoshi". The initial announcement of the anime even said the main character would be Red, so it's possible the anime was originally meant to use these names and they got changed to Satoshi and Shigeru later because those sound more normal.
>>58239467Ritchie is "Blue"
>>58239699But Ash and Red already confirmed different person so we can't tell if Gary & Blue are same person. Maybe this is why Gary haven't became the gym leader of Viridian city because the anime can't make up their mind on Gary and Blue being separate or same person.Also Red and Leaf doesn't appear in same timeline except on LGPE. So maybe Ash is in the world where Leaf took Red's place.
>>58239755>Contradicting stances>In the same postJesus Christ, just shut up already Fagmon if you're not happy with the answers instead of making an ass of yourself.
>>58237174This is an unfair comparison because>left is from a movie>right is from BW, the series with the worst backgrounds of any pokémon series
>>58239774Even SM?
>>58239065Are you saying there's higher land taxes next to pokemon professors?
Ash and Greninja are robbed again to push bunch of uninteresting OC.
>>58241018Truly a horror that the games are providing Original Creations instead of catering to something that got recton'd.Shut up and move on, Alain won.
>>58239777scenery was fine in SM, only BW scenery was ugly
>>58241046>Original CreationsI don't really care about the frog but you guys know that while Yajima asked for a special mon it was GF the ones to pick Greninja and created the Ash-Greninja, right? It wasn't some anime original bullshit design but a GF one
>>58241085What about DP's colors? Weren't they as neon as BW?
>>58239552He was more accomplished. The only mary sue was the original Ash who had a special lucario bloodline.
>>58241046Is it graphics or Greninja's body become black?
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LnMIaFV4q6M&pp=ygUOZ3VuZGFtIGdxdXV1dXg%3D [Embed]> Ash : A city with the area of 105.4 km2 & population of 2.048 million going though urban redevelopment plan to be a place for human & pokemon. But under all those light , there are darkness not many know or wants to know.> Ash : A Battle Royal where you rank up to make a wish come true?> Naveen : No decent person should enter Z-A Battle Royal> Emma : I am Emma> Ash : I am ....... Ash Ketchum> Mimi : Nyann> Ash : Thats so cute> AZ : Hey boy, want try Z-A Battle Royal?> Jett : Don't involve kids, they might get killed> Vinnie : They are still children> Corbeau: Z-A battle Royal is life and death brat> AZ: : Its a Battle Royal on Battle Zone at night where you defeat enough opponents to earn point and rank up> Emma : Did you see otherside?> Ash : Trust me, we will win.> Rotomdex: zzzzzzt don't underestimate Ash zzzzzzt .> Ash : Wanna enter Z-A Royal Together?> Emma : Mimi is saying ......... fight.> Greninja battle multiple pokemon.> Ash runs and jump to another building> AZ : That kid can understand the innate feelings of those rouge pokémon, he might be our true ace> Ash : I have gotta fight..... or lose> Ash : EMMA> Emma : ASH> Ash : GWAHHHHHHHH> Pokémon The series : ZA> Ash : What does this city hiding?This is what Pokemon Legends Z-A anime series should have been,
If the fanfic anon is still hanging around, consider doing something with best girl Marble
>>58241741Grenigger
>>58242578How about a fanfic where Spinel get outsmarted by Marble? The worst thing that can happen to a narcissist like him is the realization that he is ain't the smartest and somebody he considers dumb is actually smarter than him.
>>58242655>Random seething about Spinel unprompted>In a thread intended, again, for only the AshnimeDon't you need to seek employment Famon?
>>58241171>I don't really care about the frog but you guys know that while Yajima asked for a special mon it was GF the ones to pick Greninja and created the Ash-Greninja, right? It wasn't some anime original bullshit design but a GF oneYajima wanted some sort of special form for Greninja that would symbolize its bond with Ash the same way a mega evolution would. So he's the one that picked the mon, while GF came up with the actual concept.
>>58241046> Mega Greninja is better. So Ash was rodded from Mega Charizard for an inferior anime exclusive Greninja form that jobs to a Mega Charizard and then gets released to clean the mess of that Mega Charizard's trainer. XY&Z truly is the worst series after Horizons and BW series.,
>>58242655This isn't the horizons thread. Fuck off
Pallet Town, Home...
>Z-A and Gen 10 onwards have ruined Pokemon forever by destroying backwards compatibility>Mega Evolution for KALOS STARTERS locked behind a paywall and online ranked battles>Similarly, the anime has gone to shit since Ash retiredThe future of Pokemon is grim. No wonder they're going ham with the unreasonable patents. They know they're fucked so their only hope is a monopoly!
>>58243799>the anime has gone to shit since Ash retiredThat happened all the way back in BW pal.
>>58243888You mean the series notorious for treating Ash badly? Truth is that if Ash remained competent in Unova and there was no Trip and Cameron than BW would have been one of the better series.
>>58243906Ash was competent in XY&Z and it was even worse.Truth is the anime flopped after DP.
>>58243888>>58243911>back in BW>after DPThe anime flopped during OS. People lost interest by episode 20 and it was all downhill from there.
>>58243911>Ash was competent in XY&ZAsh lost his entire personality in XY&Z and turned into a boring "popular guy" archetype whose role was jobbing to Alain. In fact XY&Z treated Ash just as badly as BW series but XYfags overlooks this because they only cares about visual and shipping.
>>58243958That's because Ash isn't meant to be competent he's meant to be a kodomo.
>>58243964>That's because Ash isn't meant to be competent he's meant to be a kodomo.There are different types of competence, Sheldon.
>>58243967Ash is already all the types of competent you can be without being a shonen like Alain and Gundam.
XY was great you retarded esl newfags.
>>58244027Wrong in fact it was the worst season ever and it's why Ash had to retire.
Even in OS Ash was fucking insane
>>58243923Nani
>>58244021No he does not , there are some thing he is good at but there are also thing he is bad at.
>>58244426Maybe he can meet game Serena and she can mentor him to be good at other things. Then Ash will flirt with Serena but she will reject him because she has Calem who is stronger and has captured legendaries.
>Ash will never Mega Evolve Hawlucha>Ash will never Mega Evolve GreninjaJUST
>>58244443Technically he will off-screen, they stated that he's still traveling and having adventures
>>58244443>the only pokemon Ash will ever have mega evolved is a shillcario that he only just met>retards want him to come back so he can mega evolve a shillgonite that he also only just metFUCK
>>58244461Like what's a perfect shilling team for him anyways? Something that can let him use every gimmick >Lucario/Greninja/Dragonite/Sceptile >Gengar >Pikachu
>>58244420That seems to be the AG recap episode, which aired in march 24 2005
>>58244493>Like what's a perfect shilling team for him anyways?-- Urshifu : single style because Ash already has Dragovish, use Unseen Fist to bypass Terapagos barrier and take it out with Fighting type STAB. -- Fezandipiti : Fairy type that is immune from Black Rayquaza's Dragon type move, uses its Toxic chain ability to badly poison Rayquaza and defeats it with Fairy type STAB.--Chien-Pao : Ice type legendary that can defeat Zygarde. -- Titan Klawf : Single handily can defeat all the legendary heroes except Rayquaza-- Mega Greninja : Gets Greninja back after resolving the threat of remaining dark vine. -- Pikachu : That mouse will always be in his team,
>>58244604Horizons lives in your head rent free
https://x.com/Oocanipoketoku/status/1966534949713883194Guzma deserved more screentime.
>>58244027This.
>>58227751>>58227758>The MC should be a girl!!!!Have you retards learned nothing from the beige plank of wood that is Liko
>>58246516You say that like Spy x Family and Precure haven't been mogging Pokemon.The problem with Liko is that she's not even the main character of her own show. Imagine if Misty was introduced first instead of Ash. That's basically how irrelevant Liko is.
>>58246516>>58246530The problem is that Liko is flat. Even after the timeskip, she's still flat. No tits and not even ass. If she weren't flat, that would help make up for her having the personality of sandpaper.
>>58246554He is talking about her personality.
>>58246516>Have you retards learned nothing from the beige plank of wood that is LikoHaha no I don't want Horizons, I'm not gay or retarded
How would you describe DP Ash's personality? He isn't a gentleman like XY Ash, wakey like SM Ash, or serious like Gladion, yet he seems to blend all their traits. He switches between these characteristics seamlessly, without feeling out of character. I can even imagine DP Ash acting like Reiji or Macho from Gundam in Pokémon Horizons.For example, DP Ash is typically affectionate toward his Pokémon, but in the Gliscor evolution episode, he was harsh with Gligar for its cowardly behavior, which didn't felt out of place.
>>58247084https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/search/text/Gentleman%20ash%20dp/How about you get a job instead of rehashing the same shit from years, Fagmon? That's a better use of your timeless as hobo.
>>58244027I really liked the new ZA trailer but what makes me really sad is that this means that the crappy Horizons season characters are going to be the ones adapting the Kalos remake.If the ashnime were still ongoing, it'd be way cooler because we'd have gotten stuff like ZA Serena, Clemont, Korrina, maybe even Ash in the XY artstyle but now we'll only get the usual Liko and Roy garbage in a Kalos setting, not gonna lie, it feels like a huge waste of a cool game event in terms of how the anime cast that will cover it is gonna be lame as heck
>>58247084Ash in DP felt disciplined, trying to learn from experience and mistakes.Tried to learn from watching Contests, practicing with Dawn, losing to Paul, etc.
>>58247306We likely won't see much from Pokémon Legends Z-A, given how young Emma looks in Roy and Uruto's Mega Evolution special, unless XY and Z-A have only a one-year gap. I wouldn't be surprised if Emma's backstory, her connection with Looker, and her role as Lumiose City detective are ignored, with her merely standing in the corner to talk to Roy for empty fan service.
>>58247084>he was harsh with Gligar for its cowardly behaviorWhat? Pretty sure it was because Gligar wanted the easy way to get stronger, giving the fang without even trying to get better would have been the same as telling your kid it is okay to cheat
>>58248025He was harsh with Gligar before it dump into Gary who give it a Razor Fang. In fact the way Ash refused to give Razor Fangs to Gligar until it proved itself made him feel more mature & grown-up than later version of him.
When is the right time for Ash to reappear? Right now to shill Horizons or during Anipoke's 30th anniversary?
>>58248377The later, his retirement is still fresh. Though who knows, maybe they will bring him at the end of Horizons to wank them as better than him or as some kind of sequel, like implying Horizons happened way before he started, be it normal Ash or AU Ash
>Four days old>1/3 is beef over the dub or sub can of worms>1/3 is the same morons fighting each other over SM and XY>1/3 are ESLs breaking the point of the threads to seethe about the anime without Ash.So this is it? This is what 25 seasons has ended up in? This is what allowing the various lolcows and groups to manifest over the years has led to? Just being largely the same echo chamber from around five years ago while pretending this is better than /padt/, not realizing that the cancer wasn't the general itself but the posters who moved their faggotry here?
>>58248471>but the posters who moved their faggotry hereIndeed, they're here shitting the thread and baiting Famon, Horizonfags I mean
>>58248439Rotom-phone proves Horizons takes place at the same time or after JN series.
>>58248471Why are you so angry with the existence of this thread?
>>58248471/padt/ has been cancer ever since the SM era, I have no idea why anyone thought a thread meant to be /padt/-but-for-older-series-only was somehow going to be free of that cancer. Do you think the shitters that posted about SM and PM19 when those series were current weren't going to find this place?
>>58248477And you're immediately missing the point. The ESL you're claim is getting baited is the one starting shit. Do you not notice the drop in activity whenever he posts or if he isn't happy with the responses? People don't want to get banned for hurting the feelings of a butthurt ESL who isn't getting his hateboner for Alain stroked or feeding into his fanfictions.Unironically the ones who crippled the Ashnime discussions were the schizo cocksucking the guy from pallet town himself, even going as far as to get a Dawnfag permabanned from discussing something he didn't like.
>>58248377Anniversary special AU
>>58248509>even going as far as to get a Dawnfag permabanned from discussing something he didn't likeIt was probably some autist Pearlshitter, so no big loss.
>>58248509>cocksucking the guy from pallet town himselfOh, you're the guy that for some reason can't say his name and calls him hick
>>58248537>Calls him HickI don't even do that.How much damage was done to the mind that using a word, from the Anime itself mind you, causes this rentfree behavior?
>>58248377Never honestly. Now that it's known Rica was a bully it's probably best that Ash doesn't return at all.
>>58248622Ohmori and Sugimori literally said they didn't give a shit about the drama, for them the character is above the VA in the leaks so a voiceless cameo isn't out of the question, or a different VA for an older Ash but we'll get the Samson protocol before that ever happens
>>58248697You don't understand how Japanese culture works.
>>58248697Those two can say whatever the fuck they want but who is gonna put up with a diva who managed to strain a relationship with the voice of Pikachu, the voice of Pokemon's Mascot, that it got mentioned in the documents? They might think that but the rest of Japan won't.
>>58248697Ohmori and Sugimori are part of the game staff with Gamefreak not the anime staff, of course they dont give a fuck because they dont work in the anime team
>>58248706>strain a relationship with the voice of PikachuThis is the real reason Ash is never coming back. Rica was arrogant enough to piss off the icon of the franchise so now she's never coming back unless the face of Pokemon is feeling merciful.
>>58248622They would just recast him>inb4 "Japan doesn't change character VAs"It happens all the time and they definitely would if they felt it was necessary. Just say the role is recast to represent a "new beginning" for Pokemon.
>>58249176I don't think Rica would take that lying down. She's very egotistical and unstable. Even if they bribed her they'd have to worry about her causing problems. Might not be something they want to risk.
>still talking about the fake documents Sad
>>58249185Maybe. But Rica isn't a superstar or anything. Pokemon is a huge franchise, it can survive some middle-aged diva throwing a fit.Most people watch it dubbed in their native language anyway. Would TPC abandon a project with the potential for global success because of a Japan-only controversy? Again, it's possible, but I think the executives would have more sense than to do that.
>>58248622>>58248845You mean the same leak that insisted Rakua to be an Island on Gen 10 game and Lucius to be a Gen 10 character? Rica and Ōtani worked for 26 years nonstop, if their relationship was that bad than they would last 5 years together .
>>58249469Cope. Rica got an inflated ego and Otani shot that bitch down back to her place.
> Lugia doesn't get a scratch even after Ash fought it after PWC.> Rayquaza nearly gets KO from a flame charge from a lvl 05 Fuecoco.Ether JN Lugia was too strong or Legendary on Likonime are weaker than Legendary on Ashnime. I mean Ash's Sirfetch'd did tied with Solgaleo on Masters & Red's Charizard defeated Mewtwo on Origin.
>>58249780Maybe the Likonime characters could mentor the Ashnime characters.
>>58227691Rivals dipped in quality after DP Saga.
>>58250273XY had the show's single best rival period.
>>58250307Isn't that the VA who was bullied into suicide by Rica
>>58250273Speaking of DP's rivals, what did you guys think about them?I remember liking Nando and how he participated in both contests and gyms, especially since he was pretty good in both areas (him beating Zoey after she criticized him for not specializing in only one area was pretty satisfying), same with Conway, even if he could be a little annoying and weird at times.Zoey was also pretty fun.
>>58250357Wasted potential. Barry felt like he was thrown in without any thought, Paul was a nothing character, Nando was gay, and Conway was as dumb as Ash.
>>58250357I'm happy they got introduced early in the show instead of being last minute friends/rivals at the league, like the previous two seasons did.
>>58250307>appeared in only 5 episodes >achieved iconic rival status nevertheless How did she do it?
>>58250307>>58250412Please, she wasn't even a rival. Ursula was more of a rival than her.
>>58250412Miette as a character was pushing the show towards being more mature or more teenage-y I guess, but in a plausible realistic way within the context if the narrative. It's not just about Mietter though, the show in general finally felt that it was progressing in some sorta slow yet steady way.It's one of the reasons why with SM, OLM had to revert Ash back into mental infancy, the ashnime started naturally evolving into something transcending thr kodomo staple and Masuda was afraid about that.
>>58251409don't open this image if you don't want to get traumatized
>>58251258>Miette as a character was pushing the show towards being more matureWhat the fuck I'm reading, Jesus Christ
>watch Johto>it's "quilwinslol"
>>58251258>MasudaMasuda has no control over the anime
I miss Ash and friends. Except Goh and Koharu. Fuck them.
>>58252197>Except Goh and Koharu. Fuck them.Ash does. Fuck them, that is.
>>58250307XYfag delusions are on another level. The only reason she's more "impactful" to you is because waifutards in the threads posting her all the fucking time despite her being a bucket of nothing. Not remotely comparable to a single DP rival
OG Type: Wild >>>>>> Nu-Type: Wild
