DLCs are worse than third versions
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>>58242756This. I hate paying for new content when I can pay for the same game but with a new ugly legendary on the box instead.
>>58242765hi yawnfag
>>58242756That's a pretty good throw, Arbok
>>58242756No DLC are good, but the DLC needs actual EXTRA content, and not cut part of the game
>>58242756What's the point of Diamond and Pearl when Platinum exists though?Did people really buy DP and once Platinum was announced they went like "OMG I will pay for another game at full price just for the extra mons"?The issue with the DLCs nowadays are the base games because they feel incomplete without the extra content.
>>58242756I defended things like SwSh's and SV's DLCs. Adding DLC content a year later for half the price of what a 3rd version would cost was the better deal for everyone involved. Now however they are deliberately withholding content to sell as DLC. Give an inch and take a mile.
>>58242782>and not cut part of the gamewhich is exactly what 3rd versions are
Is what way is it worse to just release new content instead of locking it behind a "third version" that makes the base game obsolete?
Yes but not worse than Ultra S/M which fucked up their previous existing story. DLC can't do that.
>>58242796>Now however they are deliberately withholding content to sellwhich is exactly what 3rd versions are
>>58242803Because DLCs don't fix the base game. Like Emerald or Platinum did for the story
>>58242814How in the fuck did Emerald and Platinum fix the story?
>>58242809Both are cashgrab, but the third versions was actually a complete game. Do you think Platinum and SV+DLC have the same amount of content?
>>58242796IMO it’s fine. Gamefreak puts a LOT into these games, so what’s a couple extra bucks to help support that work? Pokemon games are already a steal worth of content for their price point
>>58242819A complete game that you already played to completion a year prior. Meaning there is no wonder or adventure, you just follow the same path you did the first time with the occasional minor detour.
>>58242818Emerald introducing Rayquaza and both teams in the same, and Platinum with distortion world and a more Cyrus lore. They fixed them in the sense they are more complete, you can't fix something that's inherently childish like RS
>>58242756Third versions are only good if you can predict that some games will indeed get one. Then, you will have to wait a few years without buying the base games. If there is one and you didn't buy the games yet, then it's a win.If you already bought one of the base games, then you lose.
>>58242830>They fixed them in the sense they are more completeoh…so like DLC
>>58242830>inherently childishinherent children's game, cope
>>58242841Yes. But DLCs don't change the main campaign, it's not a NG+. it's just post game stuff
>>58242819>Do you think Platinum and SV+DLC have the same amount of content?Of course not. SV+DLC has more content. On top of the story and difficulty and mechanics not being trash like Platinum.
>>58242848Why would you need to change the main campaign?
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>>58242821I get like 40 hours out of each game and maybe 10 of genuine enjoyment. It's a ripoff at best.
>>58242848Untrue, aside from ID the other DLCs parts are all accessible very early in a playthrough.
>>58242756> $89.99 15fps open world tech demo >+ $89.99 for the same tech demo but with a red cover for 2 exclusive pokemon >+ $35 DLC >+ $35 DLC for the other version >+ the $79.99 single city Kalos beta test for paywalled VGCmons >+ $16.99 to keep your pokemon hostage in an online server >+ $20 ninteᥒd𐐬 online >+ tax>+ tip >+ foreskin to israeli relief fund donation >+$30 skinnerbox battle pass for mega raichu and delphox>all that and you still dont even get a basic battle tower
>>58242821Hi, Joe.
>>58242837>XY sucks and is too short>no worries, the third version will fix it>never comes
>>58242854Because third versions used to fix the flaws of the base game’s campaign. For example, Platinum improved the Pokédex, added the Distortion World, and gave better teams. If the game was already well-designed from the start, I’d agree there’s no need for a third version, but we’re talking about Game Freak here. Even in SV there’s nonsense like Geeta’s team. Sure, they fix it in the DLC, but not in the base game. Buying the DLC doesn’t change Geeta’s team at the start. So while third versions used to fix the base game’s problems, DLCs just add stuff without solving them.
>>58242848>the main campaign Neither do third games in any meaningful way>woooooaahhh Sootopolis has a different gym leader in this game bro… Wallace is the champion instead of Steven broThe path to the finish line remains unchanged, there are just a few event changes on the way
>>58242796>>58242765>Needing to buy a game + DLC (possibly both versions if the base game and DLCs) is a better deal than needing to buy only one gameok retard
>>58242934>forced exp sharePretty sure that’s been a thing since the 3ds era
>>58242917>Because third versions used to fix the flaws of the base game’s campaignHow the fuck did Emerald and Platinum fix the base game's campaign?>Platinum improved the Pokédex,DLC does this already.>added the Distortion WorldDLC does this already.>and gave better teamsDLC does this already.>If the game was already well-designed from the start, I’d agree there’s no need for a third versionDamn, then good thing modern games already have a bigger Pokedex than Platinum, or already have a story that isn't poorly written dogshit like Platinum's, and already have teams better than Platinum's then, huh?
>>58242929The last time you could confidently predict a third version was with Platinum.
>>58242934lol and those gay crown gimmicks lol how do faggots play that slop
Rereleases are superior when it comes to improving the original experience, but when you want something strictly new, expansions/DLC are better.
>>58242941>How the fuck did Emerald and Platinum fix the base game's campaign?Platinum's expanded dex and no longer locking the cross-gen evos until post-game did wonders for the campaign.
>>58242801Dude Teraleaks revealed all the shit they made up for Third Versions was all made up on the spot lmao. That shit was NEVER planned, in fact third version legendaries were always last minute additions intended for future-proofing but weren't actually planned to be a part of the lore
>>58242940You could turn it off in the 3ds games
>>58242941>How the fuck did Emerald and Platinum fix the base game's campaign?Better gyms in both, more double battles in both, better tilesets, better distribution, etc
>>58242955ok so third versions aren't necessary because no game since gen 4 has had a dex remotely as dogshit as Platinum's, good to know
>>58242756Unironically. Third versions would historically make changes to the original games. Be it new NPCs, new story beats, shuffled encounter tables, or even entirely new mechanics. Now with DLC, the base game and main story will forever be barebones by design, as the expectation for a DLC's release is already there.
>>58242917>platinum improved the PokédexNo it didn’t. You still never find a trainer with a Lumineon so you have to evolve that shitmon yourself to open up pal park
>>58242958>all the shit they made up for Third Versions was all made up on the spot lmaoyeah it's just a coincidence that they cut move tutors and put a useless third legendary in every other game
>>58242968Lying retard.
>>58242966>the base game and main story will forever be barebones by design,so...like Platinum?
>>58242980nah, more like XY.
>>58242941Emerald introduced field abilities and dynamic double battles.
>>58242962>here are those better gyms I was telling you about
>>58242965>moving the goalpost
>>58242987Yep, better than anything in Scat Vomit which would have your entire team 30 levels over the cap lmfao
>>58242985oh....so like SV's DLC?
Pokemon is the progenitor of jewery in video games and people still act surprise when this happens>buy Red>whoops that game doesn’t have all the Pokemon! You need Blue too!>dont forget your Link Cable!>you aren’t supposed to buy both, you are supposed to find someone else with the other gameEveryone bought Red because Charizard was on it. Anyone with Blue was too embarrassed to ever admit to owning it
>>58242980>Playing Platinum after DPWow, so they added Giratina lore in Canalave and the distortion world? Now it all makes sense!>Playing Indigo Disk after SVOh.. so there's this new area under area zero, oh and there's this new legendary, oh and there's this fight with Kieran. Wait... that's it?
>>58242987>lv56 Blaziken at the 6th gymWhat the actual fuck is this guy doing?
>>58242984>Platinum has a smaller Pokedex>Platinum has fewer battle formats>Platinum has fewer animations>Platinum has no trainer customization or Pokemon amieSounds like Platinum desu
>>58243008He's a butthurt faggot everyone makes fun of the new games for being ugly, barebones, piss easy slop so he replays games like Emerald with just his overleveled starter as a cope
>>58242987Tate and Liza are right there
>>58243008Yawnfag grinds one Pokemon to be extremely over-leveled as "proof" that the games need exp share to always be on.
>>58243008What most dumb kids did. Only ever used their starter. It works really well in RSE because everything in the story is so underleveled
>>58243007>Playing Platinum after DPOh...so there's this Giratina lore in Canalave and the distortion world. Wait.... that's it?>Playing Indigo Disk after SVWow, so there's this new area under area zero, oh and there's this new legendary, oh and there's this fight with Kieran? Now it all makes sense!
>>58243008>What the actual fuck is this guy doing?playing the game that was apparently fixed by being resold with a different thing on the box
>>58243025I spent like 2 weeks stuck in Slateport city just battling wild shitmon because I saw the bike road as an obstacle, not something you could walk under The only gym I had even a slight issue with was the psychic duo one because even overleveled, Blaziken doesn’t do shit to them
>>58242945You wouldn’t need to predict anything. You can just wait.>B-but B2W2Just buy your prefered version and also be the original game too>B-but XYJust wait till you saw SM being announced and buy XY.It’s not hard to understand.
>>58242791USUM felt incomeplete despite being the sequel stillSequel/third versions haven't been the same since BW2. That was the last time a third version actually added enough to warrant being its own thing
>>58243088>That was the last time a third version actually added enough to warrant being its own thingWell yeah, it was a sequel. No other third version could compete with that because they're sold on>familiar but newrather than>new but familiar
>>58242941>Damn, then good thing modern games already have a bigger Pokedex than Platinumthis is a bad thing
>scamming people is morally acceptable as long as I'm not the one getting scammed!
>>58242821If you said that at least 15 years ago I would’ve believed you
>>58242756The actual issue with "third versions" is that once autists saw the "formula" it cuts into sales, You now as well as i do there were "Wait for third version"fags in GenV that got butthurt there were two sequels instead of Grey, and then that there was no Z in Gen6, and then that ULTRACHANGES wanted them to doubledip and get two games ANYWAY.DLC ain't perfect but at least they do screw over the "First adopters" less.
>>58242756>DLCs are worse than third versionsPaired versions are way worse than both DLCs and third versions but no one seems to take issue with them because it's the tradition
>>58243782people who take issue with paired versions aren't gonna play pokemon to begin with.
>>58242973>yeah it's just a coincidence that they cut move tutorsTo put them in the next new release within the same generation whether it be a third version, a paired version remake or paired sequels. They did that entirely to get competitive players to buy every game in a generation so that the new powerful Pokémon could have move tutor options missing from the initial release.>and put a useless third legendary in every other gameFair but they only started doing that with Kyurem, Rayquaza in Ruby/Sapphire and Giratina in Diamond/Pearl were both very good in their own ways, Rayquaza being so good that it didn't get anything like a new form in Emerald.
>>58243782One of the things that sold Pokemon is also one of its biggest flaws. >>58243942Vanilla Pokemon.
>>58243942It was the norm for handheld monster catchers until the 3ds era to milk the fad as much as they could, but can't think of any home console game that kept at it other than PokemonPokemon hasn't been about trading for about a decade now, they just know that some people are stupid enough to buy the same thing twice. PLA only works by having the full content in game, so version exclusivity is not a feature, just a forced limitation.Exclusivity done right would be the Galar or Hisui forms, being natively unavailable in SV but cross-compatible by transfer within the same console
>>58242756>>58242929Third versions have a huge problem, they literally can't exist unless people buy the first releases. So yes, most people buying a third version would have to buy the game twice, and that's also why they had trouble selling. People were rightfully pissed when USUM came out and having the extra content be DLC was widely suggested by fans as an alternative.
>>58242973>>58244219Giratina was so last minute that Battle Revolution's data calls it by its prototype name when it wasn't even a dragon
>>58242821At least be subtle Joe.As for your question, those couple bucks is the butter on your bread in this economy.It's gonna be a ryujinx for me.
>>58242756Both suck and we should just have all the content on one version.But no, Miyamoto just HAD to waltz in and suggest that the game should be split up into two versions and sow the seeds for maximum jewery decades down the line.
>>58242821>what’s a couple extra bucks to help support that work?because it's the LITERAL HIGHEST GROSSING MEDIA FRANCHISE TO EVER EXIST YOU SHILLING DUMBASS why would they need EXTRA
>>58242819>third versions was a complete gameHow do i get Glameow in Platinum?
>>58246298GTS.
>>58246301I just looked and theres no GTS or Glameon on Platinum. Doesn't sound like a complete game to me.
>>58242821Excellent bait, Joe
>>58245308>doesn't knowHad Miyamoto not done that, Tajiri was implementing SIX THOUSAND SEPARATE ENCOUNTER TABLES that would be pulled from random every time a new game was started to populate the region. Had Miyamoto NOT talked sense, no cunt would CARE about pokémon, because it'd be fucking IMPOSSIBLE to find the one you liked.
>>58242756no, they aren't. "expanded editions" are the most obnoxious fucking cancer of a trend that has ever existed in all of gaming, you have to buy the whole game again and play through shit you've already seen to get the full experience. for a long time you might as well have not even bought the first releases of games from certain companies (capcom with monster hunter and atlus with literally every game they make are even worse offenders than gamefreak) because within a year or two they would release the same game again with more content, retroactively turning the original release into, essentially, a wholesale ripoff for gullible idiots. not only is DLC generally less expensive than buying a whole game, it's purely additive - you don't have to play the same fucking game again to experience the new content. DLC is a thousand, no, a fucking MILLION times better as a model for adding content to an existing game, period.
>>58242791Diamond/Pearl and Platinum together would cost you $60 at most.ZA + DLC is already $100
>>58246523you'd be correct if the added content was an actual expansion and not stuff blatantly meant for the main game locked behind a price tag>>58246524isn't that roughly the same after counting for inflation or am i trippingit's fuckinf stupid either way
>>58246524first of all you aren't accounting for 20 years of inflation which is insane, but even beside that, those games were $40 at launch. if you bought both, that's $80, so not only are you making a false equivalence by not factoring in the fact that games cost more now, the numbers you're citing to make your point aren't even fucking accurate. if DPP were modern games, bare minimum baseline they'd be $60 each, which would make buying D/P and Pt equivalent to $120 in 2025 - again that's the BARE MINIMUM - significantly more than buying one full price game and a DLC that's less than half the cost.
>>58246539i don't often do this because i hate how flippant and dismissive it is when it's in response to someone making a legitimate claim, but that's not what you're doing so>you'd be correct if the added content was an actual expansion and not [FANFICTION]
>>58242756After this horse shit ZA is pushing yes, fuck DLC
glad I had zero interest in Pokemon ZA
>>58242756Can I just get a complete game to begin with?
>>58246553you made me chuckle with the anecdote so yknow what fair enoughif it's available the same day as release though, it begs the question of why it's being sold separately
>>58246640It's not lad. They're giving out outfits on the 16th, but the actual DLC content is slated for release 28th Feb '26.
>>58246640glad i gave you laugh instead of making you mad anon, i prefer to make people happy and have real discussions here which just gets harder every year.anyway >>58246652 basically said what i needed to say, even if dev for the DLC started before the game went gold i doubt it's something essential to the main plot of the game, i'm sure it's more like an extra episode that MIGHT have loose connections to the overarching plot (which would speak more to good planning than cut content), like the SV DLC. to me this type of thing reads as the company planning ahead to provide something extra for people who want more when they're done with the game; and i like that model a lot more than the alternative: doing the same thing but you have to pay more and do everything you already did again.don't get it twisted though, it's still corporate greed which is still lame, but it's a better experience for the consumer this way.
>>58247080Switch games + DLC cost more than buying any 2 versions of older games. It'll only get worse with Switch 2 games + DLC.
>>58247091read >>58246545
>>58247098>muh flationKill yourself.You're also discounting that games wouldn't hold their prices indefinitely as they do now.
>>58247103you do realize framing the truth as if it's something stupid doesn't make it false right? you can't just put "muh" in front of it to make it go away, it's always gonna boil down to "2x cost of game" vs "1.5x cost of game" and make you look stupid
