PLAchads, how are we feeling about ZA?
PLA was the tech demo for the real game.
>>58247740What the fuck were they thinking with the covers for Switch 2 games?
>>58247740I'm not touching ZA as a fan of PLA
>>58247740It's way worse except mega coming back. The whole idea of playing before pokemon trainers were a thing was really cool. Exploring the world too even though it was pretty empty. The lore was great too.But it's still miles better than any mainline game we got on Switch
>>58247740The safest option for them was to make ZA another past game, focused on AZ and the Kalos war and all that. The ZA they're giving us is the riskier option, which should be commended.But man, I feel like all the stuff I liked about PLA isn't really materializing here at all.
>>58247740I'm not feeling it but I'll give the rom a try sometime
Kalos needed another game with more lore much more than Sinnoh did, so that's cool. It also would have more production time since there wasn't a new game last year, and this time comes with mega evos. Until yesterday I was very hopeful but locking the original trio megas behind a paywall was kinda deflating
>>58247740I'll need to play the game to know.Legends Arceus turned out to be my favourite pokemon game on Switch, but I had no idea that a lot of things I liked about it were in the game before playing it: sidequests focusing on particular pokemon and how people are warming up to them, the town growing and changing as the story progressed (I'm a sucker for that in any game) and the final encounter with the main villain was the best set piece in any pokemon game. It actually felt like a modern game (graphics aside).The things I saw in the trailers like the traversal, alpha pokemon and the new battle system weren't that impressive to see in trailers, but felt great to actually play.And last, but not least: the free-form pokeball throwing. I was actually impressed Game Freak of all devs actually managed to execute on the idea and make it so seamless and feel like second nature once you get used to it.Legends Z-A trailers aren't that impressive, I have to admit, but I hope they are also hiding stuff similar to the ones I mentioned above. Like cool detective sidequests, parts of Lumiose changing to acomodate pokemon living there etc.After Legends Arceus I have full confidence in the team.
>>58247740I got off at the very start, limiting the whole game in the city made me lose interest, Kalos has a lot of rly cool biomes and areas that would've great to see expanded upon (like how PLA expanded upon the Great Marsh).
leave it to pokémon to come up with something cool only to follow it up with something extremely cancerous
>>58247740Looking forward to it, that and champions
>>58247740they tried to make something new with PLA (it was not enough but i'll take it)ZA is soulless garbage I won't touch it.
>>58247871Yeah this is mostly how I feel about it. PLA was refreshing because of how different it was, there were so many things I didn't see coming. The trailers hardly revealed anything. It's the same with PLZA. They've revealed a few characters but we barely know anything about them and their role. The only other stuff they introduced were some new features and mega evolutions. The mega evolutions themselves don't tell you anything about the story or the actual gameplay. As long as PLZA is as good or even nearly as good as PLA, I'll be happy.
>>58247740Pretty fucking bad. It's like they looked at everything people liked about PLA and purposefully threw it all away to make a completely unrelated game under the banner. Z-A is a hard pass for me.
>>58247756>all the stuff I liked about PLA isn't really materializing here at all.Me too>>58247740When PLA was released I had no interest. When I watched reviews I still didn't have much interest but gave in out of curiosity. It turned out to be my favourite game in *years*. ZA looks like it doesn't capture the magic of PLA for me, however I recognise that I will need to play it before I judge it. I will say I am incredibly disappointed with the SV artstyle and the ugly menus and I'm very nervous about the new battle system.
>>58248964Same. What I liked about PLA was the open environment exploration, movement mechanics and expanded lore in the past. Also the battle system turned out fun, especially with Pokemon attacking you in the overworld. This removes everything.
>He defended the slow frame rate>He defended lack of Pokemon>He defended alpha forms>He defended the story retcons>He defended the lack of multiplayer in a multiplayer franchise>He defended the ugly nu-forms>He defended the flop in sales>He defended Korok Spiritomb>He defended the removal of train battles>He defended the removal of online in a multiplayer franchise>Hecdefended the lack of battle facilities>He defended the isekai plot>He defended the rotom iphone>He defended the fetch quests>He defended the lack of postgame>He defended the lack of poor balls>He defended the blatantly copied dark souls mechanics>He defended the blatantly copied monsters hunter plot>He defended the lowest playtime in 23 years>He defended a literal full priced tech demoD-Did you really Anon...?
>>58247750That the average consumer is VERY fucking stupid, so a big ostentatious banner declaring "SWITCH 2 GAME" was required, to make sure some pudding brained fucknugget didn't buy the wrong version of a game.
why isnt ZA set in the past?why isnt there a switch 2 upgrade for PLA yet?
>it all takes place only in the citystupid
PLA was pretty good as far as pokemon games go, especially recently. But pretty meh/mediocre at best as far as gaming in general goes. Gamefreals track record is brutally bad, I think ZA is going to be real shitty
yes it looks like shityes i will buy it
>>58247740Not good, it's a Legends game by name only. Literally everything difference or improvement made by PLA has been thrown away or gone back on. I genuinely can't think of one thing I liked about PLA which has been continued in this game.
>>58247740This aint no fucking Legends game bro
>>58247740It’s literally taking every single thing from Arceus that you cared about and improving in all corners. Giving us actual exploration, trainer battles, held items, the box system from SV, realtime battles, boss battles that actually require Pokémon, diverse customization, alpha Pokémon with exclusive moves, the catching system, I could go on and on. I’ll probably never touch Arceus again once Z-A comes out.
>>58247745Not just the tech demo, this game is specificity made to add the game mechanic patents for Nintendo.
I honestly thought Scarlet and Violet were much better than PLA.Rollslop is just not a good addition to pokemon
There has to be something I'm missing. I'm watching these trailers and it looks like the game they would have developed in their way to coming up with Legends Arceus. The aesthetics and overall theme just makes me think of Sword and Shield's cities. The whole intrigue of unraveling the lore of the Pokemon world is... Present? I mean AZ is there, a literal ancient dude, there has to be something, right? But I'm realizing putting this in the present really makes it a challenge. And there just doesn't seem to be an effort to present any new ideas. Wild areas again? But they are man made parks now?I wanna hope there's an angle they are keeping under wraps or something. Cause right now it looks like a less exciting, less fresh, less experimental version of a game we already have.
>>58249828This looks like the most experimental Pokémon game ever made. Legends Arceus took the battle system and just changed up the move order lmao.
>>58249835>This looks like the most experimental Pokémon game ever made.Elaborate. I'd love to to catch some of your excitement, I mean it.
God dammit it, i really just want a 60fps Switch 2 patch for PLA.
>>58249818>Rollslop is just not a good addition to pokemonReal-time, anime-style combat was always the endgoal, only now could they manage to progress past archaic turn-based combat (after having spent decades on weak, handheld hardware)
>>58249869Pokemon has actual developed complex turn based combat that isnt the same as Final Fucktasy
I'm actually a little excited. I liked Legends Arceus a lot but it's emphasis on catching kind of made it boring towards the end. This one looks more focused on battles so hopefully the battle system keeps things fresh. I think my only worry is going to be the exploration. It's also dogshit they announced DLC before the game came out.
>>58249875Kek
>>58249869>VGC STILL locked to turn based battles>Legends showing nothing to escape the "tech demo" label>Gen 10 game or gameplay trailer revealed yetWe're going back to turn based with a shiny new Gimmick for Gen 10 kid. Or did you forget the gimmick bangle of Champions has room for more gimmicks to be added?
>>58249828Nowhere is it said it’s in the present. It’s hundred years from xy
Why the fuck does the trainer move in the battle?
>>58249839>ElaborateJust watch this trailer and be amazed https://youtube.com/watch?v=22oUOztp-88?si=E0VAy5w8V4URVH8M
>>58249901they did this in legends Arceus you dumbass
>>58249901Why would you want to stay locked in place when you have to command your pokemon to move around the field
>>58249839If you've seen literally any gameplay you'd knowBasically nothing is the same, moves are actually meaningfully different and have a unique function suited to real time combat vs turn-based
>>58249901Bro didn’t play PLA
>>58247740i wish it was turn based and i miss regional forms and crossgen evos, otherwise it looks cool. i love mega malamar and i can't wait to see mega drampa.
>>58247745>PLA was the tech demo for the real game.>The "real game" looks and plays worseokay
>>58249895no signs of intelligent life detected
>>58249248i didnt even realize until the last trailer we saw that there's literally no ride pokemon or anything
>58250057Not sure why you’re announcing yourself, but cool I guess
>>58250296Kekky
>Entire game is one citymaximum laziness. The result of a company that knows it it will make money no mater what as it explores how much they can exclude from a game and still have buyers.
>>58250337Arceus was one hub thobeit
>>58249828The game is set in the future dumbass
>>58247740Pretty excited but want to keep my expectations in check given modern Game Freak
>>58250287Who needs those when we have smartphones?
>>58250337how is that laziness
>>58247740>PLAchadsget well soon
>>58250524the city aren't even modeled its just one png for a wall meanwhile the keypoints are the only thing modeled they definitely dont care about actually making the game look nice besides for trailer shots
>>58250383yeah, sure, the far off year of 2025
>>58249269>pokemon>multiplayer franchise
>>58250948Yeah the whole reason for Pokemon is kinda to trade with others since you know you kind can't complete the pokedex without it
>58250938>nowhere is it stated its set in 2025>i-t just is ok!??
> that one simpleton who still thinks ZA is set in modern timesLmao
>it's to-totally the far-future because REASONSAmazing how retarded people act when they're defending their assumptions.
> it’s set in the present because… ok yes theirs ultimate weapons, new forms, AZ is an old manand kalos looks completely different than 2013… but it’s still set in the present ok!Toppu kek
Unc got real quiet now huh
>>58251030and that's not really multiplayer
>>58251101Yes it is
>>58251059AZ was always an old man he's fucking 3000 years old you retard. Holy shit you guys keep impressing me with how fucming stupid you are.
>>Noo just ignore all your other points and the fact he looks like he’s aged 50 years, that technology is different, the battle zones, ignore that legends games are never set in current period >> it’s in 2025 ok!Keektop
I think the whole "set in the future" thing is just harder to get immersed in when Pokemon has always had teleporters and weird gadgets. It's a much smaller departure from having a pen and paper Pokedex and Pokeballs made with wood and latches
It releases too late into the semester for me to feel good about playing it.
>>58247740>PLA releases>incredible new style, completable pokedex for singleplayer, fun story and nice replayability>PLZA gets announced>isn’t in the past but oh well, looks fun>Kalos starters gets announced, looks hype>they’re locked behind online ranked, which will probably be full of endgame pokemon and pkhex’ed monsI don’t really know how to feel about legends za now.
Do we know what the gameplay loop of PLZA is yet? PLA was catch pokemon > do research tasks > increase your rank to progress through the game and story, will PLZA be fight trainers > increase your ZA royale rank > story events?
>>58249988Because its real time action so I want full control over the pokemon like in Unite
>>58247740>no marketing for a year>still looks like shit even after a year of nothing>the first new megas were dogshit>just when the mega reveals start getting good, they stop because muh spoilers>reveal dlc before the game even releasesAnd the worst thing of all, it's set in Kalos, the region that killed the main series of Pokemon. At this point I'm convinced European Pokemon regions are cursed, because every game with them has consistently been bad.
>>58247740There's nothing that I like about LA that is present in ZA.
>>58247756>The ZA they're giving us is the riskier optionhow? Aside from the real time battling it literally looks like any other Pokemon game. Megas coming back is clear fan service and the quieter tone of PLA has been replaced by the standard synthy upbeat Pokemon music of every other game.If anything ZA just makes the departure PLA took feel all the more unique. The only "risk" ZA is taking is that it's entirely set in a city, which is a risk because it's a stupid idea no one asked for.
>>58250948>campaignshitter>unova reaction imagechecks out
>>58251038>>58251044>>58251059>>58251086>>58251248there is literally a character on the box who was a child in XY and is now a young adult in ZA, go ahead and keep sperging out though you're hilarious
>>58252087bc it's been 12 years since XY
>>58252091yeah man exactly
>>58247740I basically got everything I wanted in ZA.
>>58252133what did you want
>>58252164More trainer battles, a world like battle system, multiplayer, bigger character customization, 60 fps, the large boss battles, open world ( I know a lot of you guys care for it), and mega evolution. As a bonus, champion is there for the old battle system so raising Pokemon in both games will be interesting.
>>58247740I always wanted a pokémon game that had an expanded, lived-in single player postgame that didn't feel like an after-thought gimmick. Not a hallway of battle facilities or legendary hunting, but more like an continuous stream of exploration and sidequests. Like how in part Unova and Alola did it in a way, and Galar almost managed with the gigantamax postgame quest thingy.PL:A felt to me like a step in that direction. It boldly ditched a gigantic bedrock of the franchise (multiplayer) to give a different experience that was close to what i was looking for. Imagine my shock now knowing how Z-A will throw all that shit away to become a standard pokémon in everything but name lmao. >MEGAS STUCK BEHIND SEASON PASS LUL
>>58247740ZA looks like a downgrade
>>58252247very well said, PLA's focus on catching and the pokedex (the core tenet of the first few gens) made them focus on the singleplayer gameplay, hiding pokemon in clever locations, sidequests, happenings like outbreaks and the rifts.Now they've gone right back to giving a shrug and saying "ahhh play some online with friends you guys love this shit!"
>>58247756>The ZA they're giving us is the riskier optionNah, I think 5,6 and 7 were the starting point for many pokemon fans , so a sequel of 6 is safe move, like how Scarlet and violet has many thing from SM to appeal for the boys that started with SM and now are teens.
>>58249269>>He defended the flop in salesplease explain to me in no uncertain terms how 15 million sales is flopping
>>58249269>He defended the rotom iphonei remember finding this really retarded but iirc, the arc phone wasn't used too often right?It was really just a plot device for Arceus to talk to you.>He defended the lowest playtime in 23 yearsI did, because the game makes battles take half the time they normally do. Try playing PLA and then playing any other Pokemon game right after, it feels like you're at a retirement home.
>>58252311the generational system is a revolving door of nostalgia, once a certain gen's fans that were kids at the time grow up they start the pandering cycle again with that specific gen
>>58252365>Try playing PLA and then playing any other Pokemon game right after, it feels like you're at a retirement home.'Member Gen IV games' battle speed? I 'member.
>>58252376they skipped Unova bc they know all Unova fans will just play the originals bc of the 2D sprites
>>58247740Arceus felt like a lot of love and care was put into it. Like whoever made it wanted to create a really fun, cosy but fresh experience. Z-A looks like Scarlet and Violet.
>>58247740why did they ditch the PLA art style? it was almost perfect
>>58253242too based of a take for this board, many will disagree even though you're right. look on the bright side though, at least they halfway backtracked into a cel-shaded, anime-adjacent artstyle from SV's fugly normal maps and pseudo-realistic textures. it's always baby steps with gamefreak but at least they moved back in the right direction.
