Is it time to admit variants opened a pandora's box of letting Gamefreak recycle designs?
>>58253037GameFreak's been recycling designs since gen 1. Remember Dugtrio and Magneton?
Recycling designs is better than recycling designs and not doing them as well
>>58253037if they're going to recycle they should make missing links between left and right
>>58253037blame CHARIZARDfags
>>58253037good, we have too many boring pokemon and having a twist on older ones is more interesting
>>58253053Magneton came first. Can't excuse Dugtrio though, that one was just them doing "more" for an evo
>>58253069Either way, they were already starved for originality if their ideas for evolutions and pre-evolutions were was riveting as "add more/remove all but one" alongside other old greats such as "just make it bigger and angrier."
>>58253062Why would Charifags complain only with Gen 5 when it wasn't even available to use in most games (like GSC, RSE and DPPt)?Weren't pikancers the problem here?
Voltorb and Electrode were mistakes, and the grass/electric ones are massive upgrade in both art, lore, and playthrough. If I made a romhack it would basically be 85% Gens 1-3 and 15% the other gens, and Voltorb would definitely be replaced by Hisuan Voltorb.
Is it time to admit this is what the Pokemon fanbase always wanted? Do you not remember the 2015 fanart trend?
>>58253078>autist takes everything 100% literally and misses the point
>>58253078It's a hyper exaggeration of what really went down.It's not literally about Charizard or Pikachu, it's the fact that no old Pokemon were available until post-league, which created massive seething in normalfags who were used to having old Pokemon as comforts amidst designs they didn't like.
>>58253354If the point isn't sound, then it's not a good one to make>>58253427>it's the fact that no old Pokemon were available until post-leagueSo RSE and DPPlHGSS. I hate Charizard pandering as much as the next guy, but Charizard was never the true focus. Pikachu is a bigger example of your mascot slop, especially since the fucker was NEVER included in any mainline Gen V game. Only games to ever do this
>>58253487>RSE and DPPtHGSSNo, you could still find old mons in those games pre-league, and a common criticism of Sinnoh was that its dex was bloated with encounters with shitters like Zubat, Machop and Geodude.BW uniquely made it so NO old mons were available post-league.
>>58253037They are stealing the variant idea from other franchises
>>58253037no
>>58253487the point is sound, you just don't get what that point is because you lack a fundamental understanding of how language and communication work
>>58253569yeah, franchises such as... "real life"?
>>58253606this has always been a short-minded rebuttle.>have franchise about crazy monsters that you can catch>decide to make a bunch of them slight redesigns or incoherent messes layered on top of existing creatures>have bootlickers defend you by posting finches saying "hurr durr but something completely incomparable happens IRL LOL!!!!"I bet you're the type of fag that wants pokemon to move away from turn-based battles because it's "unrealistic" too.
>>58254646no actually im mad as fuck they're moving away from turn based battles because i like turn based RPGs, what a weird ass projection. the rest of your post is nonsensical drivel hardly worth addressing, the concept of regional forms IS, in fact, directly comparable to darwin's finches speciating to fill new niches in new environments. if you're mad that the new niches that regional pokémon fill are stupid or too whimsical or some shit it's literally a you problem, all of them are well explained in-universe.
>>58254841>creature designs made by a company to be appealing are directly comparable to speciation into different niches in order to surviveNo, retard. If someone does something lazy and you can tell, you're not gonna like it. Well, anyone with a brain anyway.
>>58253606Bit late on that train though weren't they?
Every other franchise out there was doing this, Gayfreak is just late to the party.As long as they don't patent it.
Pokemon keep recycling the same shit since day 1 regional bird regional rodent etc gen 5 literally Kanto dex but uglier
>>58253065Most of the variants are mons that sucked like Muk and got a second chance. Golem blew it though.On another topic, how good would Muk be if they simply made it dark type from gen 2 and up?
>>58255667revisiting a concept like a regional bird or rodent leaves way more room for experimentation than the regionals.It's not hard to admit that whatever we thought regional variants would be like, was not delivered on, and we oughta just go back to the simple times.
>>58253053Magneton makes sense because that's just what magnets do, but Dugtrio never made much sense to meI like to think they're all attached to the same body instead of literally just being three Digletts, because that just works better as an evolution
>>58253062paradoxs and convergents are new mons lol
>>58253062unova pokemon are just fucking hideous dude like look at that gay zebra , horrible
>>58257063No, they're just excuses to bloat the dex count so they can say "LOOK GUYS! WE HAVE OVER 1000 REDDITMONS NOW!!!!!!!!1" when without them, Reddit Man Gholdengo, who literally requires you to give it all your money to evolve it, wouldn't be the big #1000.
>>58253062>you better like my ugly forgettable shitmons…OR ELSE
>>58257093
>>58257093it's interesting that a lot of these are middle evolutions
>>58257317The least visited pages would be the least interesting or noteworthy mons. That is precisely what one would expect. The guy posting this is a retarded schizo who can't understand that even after having been told several times.
>>58255542>if i ignore the stated justification for the designs it doesn't existwhat an asinine non-argument, just take one of these and call me in the morning
>>58258131>>if i ignore the stated justification for the designs it doesn't existDumb bootlicker. Just because you can explain a design doesn't mean it can't be lazy. Christ, you're so stupid. I really think you're having issues understand the precise language I'm using.
I like H-Voltorb because it's always nice to see an electric mon with grass moves.
>>58258152i really think you're misunderstanding how a fucking argument works, so let me put it in language you're probably familiar with: facts don't care about your feelings. you can bitch and whine and moan about laziness and bootlicking all you want and regional forms are still going to be directly comparable to darwinian evolution, because that's what they're explicitly based on. you fucking lost, stop talking.
>>58258178You are so braindead. The fact of the matter is that>designing an appealing creature design and>natural processes resulting in various organismsare completely unrelated occurances. The natural end result of your argument is that>if it exists, it's good.which is beyond absurd, and you're a moron for not being able to think this through yourself.
>>58258178Is Klefki a good design because keys exist?
>>58258250this isn't a conversation about whether or not it's good or lazy you fucking invalid, you just keep saying the same asinine thing over and over again when it has LITERALLY nothing to do with the subject at hand. you know what, concession accepted, if you can't bother to defend your position i can't be bothered to entertain this discussion. i win! goodbye.
>>58258286You don't understand my single, central point.
>>58258255klefki is a good design because it's cute
>>58258293your single, central point is "i don't like it so it's not based on the thing it's based on" which is why this conversation is over. seethe about it.
>>58253569SMT's Jack Frost variants
>>58258301illiterate, esl, or just plain stupid? I wonder.
>>58258628you? all 3, clearly
>>58258709It (You)s posts automatically you don't have to make sure, but thanks for confirming you're all 3 for me
>>58253037Regionals are cool. They felt very organic and quite a few actually have distinct designs (Alolan Exeggutor, Galarian Mewoth). Their good for world building to. I think they help to establish the atmosphere of the newer regions.Fuck convergents, though. Those actually are just lazy. Convergent evolutions in ther real world are so much more interesting to compare that the pokemon equivalent, which I'd funny because regionals are the opposite. Regional variants of pokemon are far more interesting than regional variants of real world animals.
>>58259029unova did convergent evolution really well imo, I loved having a couple different options for any given biome/area after it. Then when people freaked out they ended up just throwing everything in a blender in bw2 and kalos anyway but, whatever. We really need to go back to dex sizes in the 200-mon range.
