Anyone else hate when the stories involve time travel and multiverses or parallel universes etc.I just like the simple go on Pokemon Adventure stories. Why is GameFreak pushing stories so hard the last couple of gens.
I like more story focus. But multiverse/time travel slop aren't good story
>>58253134This. It just feels weird to have this sci-fi shit in a Pokemon
>>58253120>Why is GameFreak pushing stories so hard in a JRPG series?Maybe Animal Crossing or Candy Crush would be more your speed.
>>58253120*Blackwhiplash porn ptsd*
>>58253171Pokemon has abandoned sci-fi and went into a more fantasy direction. Everything is magic now
>>58253194You need help.>>58253195Yeah I guess youre right. REmember when some Pokemon like Doxys were just alien and they never explained it. I miss that.
>>58253120The only weird thing I can think of is scarlet and violets bootstrap paradox
>>58253120waifus sell but waifus need some amount of character to be appealing
>>58253120You can thank capeshit for that.
>>58253195The last pokemon games have robot pokemon from the future anon.
>>58253171Pokemon has always had sci-fi shit, but it’s been on the back burner for “it just happens” and multiverse stuff.
>>58253425Capeshit did not popularize multiverses
>>58253171Gen 1 has teleport panels.Gen 2 has a time machine.Gen 3 has floating vehicles.The series has always had a scifi element. It's not even new.
>>58253120I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years we started getting smaller, simpler games that are more reminiscent of the original series but are like predominantly existing mons with some regional forms with only a few new mons, maybe reusing box legendaries with new pairings (like idk, groudon and xerneas being paired up, or zekrom and solgaleo. Unexpected pairings) and they get a new straight-up regional form that reinvents them to just being the local legendaries instead of bigger ones you see elsewhere. Remixed starters like pla too, probably, or who knows maybe some non-traditional starter options, like a dark/psychic/fighting trio like people have asked for for years. Could take some random 2-stages of that type and give it a new evo to make it more starter material, even. Imagine your starter options being Drowzee, Poochyena, and Mienfoo, and they all get a new evo (could even give them fire/water/grass as a secondary typing lmao)
>>58253455Floating vehicles and teleport panels dont even come close to multiverse shit.
>>58253459This. I want old Pokemon redone with regions and no designs and typing.
>>58253443It did. Maybe you've been living under a rock?Last gen had 2 capeshit inspired pokemon as well, so it's not like they haven't taken notes from them before.
>>58253486Palafin and?
>>58253120>time travelthis is usually cool because it's actually reasonable enough to suspend your disbelief about travelling to the past and future, things that definitely exist; and if it's well written without dumb shit like multiple timelines it allows you to play around with causality, which can lead to really fun stories>multiverses/parallel universesthese however are almost always dumb as fuck because there's no evidence such a thing is grounded in reality literally at all, and it almost always winds up being asspull-laden wish-fulfillment shit - especialy when it's like a mirror world where all the same things exist. it's basically always completely stupid and immersion breaking. at least gen 7 gets it sort of right by framing ultra space as being wormholes to exotic spaces that are markedly different from our world and might not even be outside the known universe, but it still steps into stupid territory with shit like guzzlord in ruined hau'oli city and the USUM wormholes with normal ass pokémon inside. at least most of the explicitly alt-universe stuff in those games takes the relatively more interesting approach of being totally alien.
>>58253499he's talking about lokix even though toku isn't the same as capeshit
>>58253120What do you expect from a franchise that introduced God in its fourth instalment?
>>58253459i fully expect a future legends game to give us type-swapped regional starters. something like fire popplio, water snivy, and grass fuecoco.
You have Ohmori to thanks for this.Also for all the daddy/mommy issue plotlines.
>>58253425I blame MCU for making it mainstream and part of every other story
>>58254052There isn’t much multiverse stories other than MCU.
>>58253134multiverses is a crutch to let hack writers do whatever they want in a story without caring about consistency while making consumers feel that they aren't wasting their time because a story isn't "canon" and is actually a part of some grand epic because for most people, a story is about being in the know about the latest happenings and understanding references rather than themes, characters, and their conflicts.any plot hole or retcon can be explained away with a hand wave. kill off beloved characters freely endlessly with the multiverse, bring back old characters from another series, hype up the next battle by bringing villains from alternate universes who won in their world.what-if scenarios can be well made but most of the time it just devolves into cheap fan service that actively devalues a story by turning characters with thematic elements into mascots for nostalgia and hype moments
>>58253120Unlike Marvel and DC, Pokemon hasn't exhausted the "multiverse" pool yet other than maybe in Masters where actual bad guys like Rose are taken from another dimension before he went full retard allowing him to be a respectable billionaire walking around Pasio wanting to invest in the region, or how Florian is from another dimension but is an Uva Academy student.
>>58253120>I just like the simple go on Pokemon Adventure stories.You just had that with Gen 8 and people hated it.
>>58254891>Gen 8>simpledidn't they literally have space dracolich megasatan come in and you have to team up with edgelord epic hero swordwolf and edgelord epic hero shieldwolf in order to vanquish the demon hand cloud from space with the power of friendship?
>>58254916You can hyperbole anything.>didn't you fought a literal yakuza crime lord that has the double life as a gym instructor for taming magical superpowered creatures and wasn't he responsible for hiring scientists to biologically engineer a powerful space psychic sphynx cat humanoid as the ultimate lifeform from the dna of the original small floating space psychic sphynx cat that turns out to be the source of all lifeforms on earth .
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>>58254965I mean sure, but in the reality the gen 1 plot is>One of the gym leaders is a mafia boss OMGgen 2 plot is>the mafia is trying to start up again. Also, legendary pokemon encounter (tbqh I don't remember gen 2's plot very well, I haven't played it since hgss came out)then gen 3 is>THE GODS OF THE LAND AND SEA ARE FIGHTING AFTER BEING AWOKEN BY CLIMATE TERRORISTSgen 4 is >THE GODS OF SPACE AND TIME HAVE BEEN CAPTURED BY A MAN WHO PLANS TO REWRITE ALL OF REALITYgen 5 is>Megalomaniac GROOMS HIS ADOPTIVE CHILD into being a proxy king and to befriend a LEGENDARY DRAGON in order to legitimize his rule, so that you and your cohorts can be the only people with any power in the region by making draconian laws, all in the guise of being a progressive protectionist movementgen 6 is>Insane tech millionaire starts a terrorist group to find and capture an ancient legendary being that presides over life/death in order to act as a battery for a SUPREME LEGENDARY SUPERWEAPON FROM ANCIENT HISTORYgen 7 is just all over the place and I didn't finish it, gen 8 is basically gen 6 again I guess, gen 9 is absolutely insane and you surely must admit. This is a well-known phenomenon called "spectacle creep" and toning down the stakes would be a great help in ensuring palatability of future games.
>>58254998>>One of the gym leaders is a mafia boss OMGWho raided a pokeball making corporation to steal the masterball so they can finally control the biologically engineered ultimate lifeform they've unleashed for some reason.
>>58253120Yeah I'm tired of it>Delta episode>Then SM (though at least the ultra beasts are cool)>Then PLA>Then SVLike could you stop I just want to catch pokemon. I don't want to hear about your family drama either. I'm fine with a couple legendaries having time travel or dimensional powers but it's kind of like how arceus' reality bending in that one event is cool from a lore perspective but not something I would like to see in the main story.
>>58253120>I want Pokemon to have a good story!!>AIIEEEE b-but not like this!!!
>>58253120Because sci-fi bullshit is one of Ohmori's favorite topics to explore, alongside family drama, because he can't help but inject his own personal trauma into the narratives he directs.
>>58253134>I like more story focusI want to play games not 3d visual novels
>>58255167good stories practice restraint, not excess.
>>58255167My favorite story is about a lonely man having his mid-life crisis and learning to live again. He doesn't get powers, doesn't go back in time to redo it, he just awkwardly reaches out to his peers. That's all. It's an utterly simple premise with effective execution.You can have all the fancy plot points you want, it doesn't make for a good story. Good writing does. What pokemon is missing typically.
>>58255238What's your favorite story?
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>>58255238That sounds cool but just not for a Pokemon game
>>58253455>Picking the very minimal things >>58253187You sound pretty salty anon
>>58255488It's just an example of how a simple premise isn't inherently bad. However low or high the stakes are, realistic or fantastical it is, what's important is the way its actually executed.It's probably even easier to mess up stories involving high stakes and fantastical elements, since now you have to account for other potential logical scenarios that may act as a plot hole and your protagonist can't take their time if there's grand consequences. I think I remember Masuda saying something like that too, how it doesn't make sense for the player to be doing whimsical things like the gym challenge when there's world terror going on.
>>58255008Why do you all over exaggerate so much? This was at least an acceptable plot twist.
>>58255145This. Not sure what kind of audience they want to attract
