>the reason Pokemon are so ugly these days is the vast amounts of well designed Fakemon that disqualify good design concepts from becoming officialDamn..
>>58256017That's retarded
Just buy the cheapest ones
So thats why they never designed another Eeveelution after Sylveon? I thought they weren't allowed to look at fan designs. Its stupid because everyone wants new Eevees. This is also a monetary loss for TPC, Eevee merch prints money.
>>58256068>I thought they weren't allowed to look at fan designsiirc designers can't but there's a separate group who looks at fan designs and compares them to what the design team makes
>it was decided that the design costs would be very highSo they're afraid of being directly compared with fan designs, or else they'd have to waste money making something better. If anything, this is the company admitting that they produce low-quality slop that's only marketable because it's completely unique (in that nobody else has done something that retarded).The fact that pokedrones immediately spun this into "IT'S DA FANS' FAULT!" is proof of how deep the shiteating consumerism runs in them.
>>58256343Also nintendo now owns a patent for the gameplay of pokémon, ensuring that they can remain retarded with no competition
>>58256387inshallah they try that shit on fatlus and get completely bodied
>>58256017This does explain why Umbreon has wasp motifs. A shame about the flying Eevee, I want it. Pure flying is good.
>>58256017>>58256068>>58256289>>58256343This has to be bullshit because TPC has a ToS in one of the games that pretty much says they can use your fanart as they will. They thought they could get away with it for that Ho-Oh art in Pocket, but the negative attention from the accusation was so bad that they immediately rescinded it.
i knew this, they make every pokemon ugly and not cool because they know fanart made it cooler so they make the opposite
>>58256343>>58256068That text is clearly a shitty machine translation, that whole sentence about the cost is an oxymoron
>>58256017Too bad there is no dragon Eevee. Those pokemon can only use the dragon element from tera blast.
>>58256017>’tendo (and all ‘tendo subsidiaries) hates its fansAnd the sky is blue.
>>58256017>it was to similar
Flying Eevee could never exist because Flying is a physical type. Dragon Eevee could, however, because that's a special type.
>>58256508the OP specifically goes out of its way to disprove this (umbreon was poison originally, a physical type, fairy was created after the phys/special split and there was a planned flying eevee and it only didn't get done because of GF retardation)
>>58256017Just make a new design, are they retarded?
>>58256449It's an inaccurate translation now that anons are done using it as a cudgel and it's no longer convenient to have around. How typical.
>>58256017I think they should just make dual-type evolutions for the Eeveelutions to account for the missing types, it's almost perfectly half too
>>58256413Well if they don't own any game and still draw then what?
>>58256856Which Eevees should get which secondary type?
>>58256413harada from tekken once talked about how fan designs and ideas can negativity effect development even if you sign away rights and why companies stopped doing fan designs and naming competitions https://x.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/1810549738128974304>Because a certain percentage of people will file a lawsuit in the form of "you used my proposal without permission" or "you stole my proposal" or "that was my proposal."(The scary thing is that in the past, people who have not sent me any letters or emails at all have protested vehemently, "My idea came first!")>many game companies stopped such initiatives and campaigns after such troubles, including lawsuits claiming rights despite having signed all kinds of consent forms in advance. >It's not a question of whether we can win the lawsuit or not, but the fact that these kinds of troubles arise is a burden for us.considering eeveelutions are a very simple concept to design around, every possible design probably exists and they dont wanna start something unless its a mon they think can make them a lot of money
>>58257600It's not like ending official support for such things stops such claims from occurring anyway
>>58257667true but it lessens the legitimacy of their claims because gamefreak can claim ignorance. its about minimizing risk rather than immunity.those decompilations projects use the exact same excuse when working on a game with leaked source code.
>>58256017There is a term in the legal world called "Innocent Infringement", where you create something that is very similar to something that already exists without knowing the existing thing existed in the first place. It's precisely why Pokemon designers aren't allowed to go around looking at fan designs, because that'd make them liable. If they have reason to believe the Pokemon designer had no idea the specific fan design existed, there's nothing the fan designer can do unless their specific design is copyrighted (lmao copyrighting a fan design). Nintendo, being the legal law firm that sometimes releases videogames that they are, simply go the extra mile and throw out any designs that are found to be too similar to fan designs simply to avoid hassles like >>58257600 stated. Not because they'd lose out, but because that's just an unnecessary legal mess for an expendable drawing.
>>58258707To be fair, I feel like any Eeveelution design could be covered by innocent infringement, simply due the frequency of fanmade Eeveelutions.
>>58256475Their "fans" regularly pirated from them for decades and ruined several of their IPs with degenerate memes (Vaporeon, Bowsette, pokegirl r34). Why should Nintendo respect them even slightly?
>>58256017They should bite the bullet and give us a new type already, so that the artists can be free to create better pokemon designs without needing to worry about the fanart.
>>58256068IIRC they managed to pass a law around the same time L:A came around that allowed them to make new evos to older mons without having to worry about getting sued by fakemon creators. Which is why Gen 9 brought them back since they were last present in Gen 6
>>58256017this is so stupidthose fan designs exist because of the franchisefans have no right to the fan designs they create because they are just extensions to the IP, which they don't ownat this point, it's on the fan artists to state that what they create using the company's intellectual property belongs to the company, even if they came up with it and put effort in itanyone who disagrees is a mega retardit's no wonder the nu-designs are so fucking bad, because most of the good designs are taken up by fan artists
>>58256343>>58259679Creativity is not something finite and designs aren't premade for someone to just pick up.
>>58256017>The scrapped Eevee was a fat chungus that looked like a chicken Nobody is going to believe the scrapped Eevee had a good design
>>58259773Good thing this was a Gen 7 design, before they decided to go full Redditmon in SWSH!
>>58256387That's not how patents work. They can try to bully smaller companies in corrupt Japanese courts, but as soon as they try any shit in any western court the whole thing will fall apart.
>>58256528Costs too highPrease understandu
>>58259836The cope is strong in this one, palcuck
>>58259836The US just granted them an even more egregious patent for summoning
>>58258707>>58259679That is not how it works, everyone automatically owns the copyright to anything they create, including fan art based on an IP they don't own They technically can't legally *do* anything with that fanart like sell it in any way, but that doesn't automatically grant the original IP holder the rights to it either, the work is in deadlock unless the two parties come to an agreement
>>58256017Did they just admit their games are low value?
>>58259863>the work is in deadlock unless the two parties come to an agreementI'm a simple man. We can talk all about the complicated murky gray areas but at the end of the day, anyone with common sense would believe that the fan artist ought to have no legal or moral standing to be a pain in Game Freak's ass should their fakemon be "stolen".Coming up with a fakemon in your free time without being shackled by deadlines, design mandates, group collaboration, and constant revisions let alone having to punch in and out of the office completely disqualifies the fan artist from having their cake and eating it too in the form of doing the fun, easy part of building the next Pokémon game without any of the actual work. This whole debate is essentially the equivalent of TPC being clearly in the wrong despite the opposing narrative trying to muddy the waters by saying that they are operating perfectly legally. Either that or they're making excuses like >>58256343 pointed out.
>>58259890I'm fairly certain GF/Nintendo/Creatures know Pokémon is about the merch, not the games.
>>58259863that's how it works and there're plenty of fan artist beggars selling their creations for money using the ip they don't owntime to start reporting them to nintendo, tpc and gamefreak
>>58259911Been that way since they made that glorified weekly 22 minute commercial back in '97, even.
>>58259972>that's how it works It's not>and there're plenty of fan artist beggars selling their creations for money using the ip they don't ownYeah they can be C&D'd for that because they aren't allowed to make copies of likenesses/IP they don't own, technically they don't even have to be making money to be in the wrong, it's just that IP holders can choose whether to pursue or not and they generally don't >time to start reporting them to nintendo, tpc and gamefreakThere is legal basis for that, companies generally avoid doing that because it harms goodwill, but if someone gets too big or cocky they generally get struck down
>>58256017That didn't stop Haxorus from existing though.
>>58258850Why should I respect a company that literally exists as a money laundering front of the Yakuza and which only dabbled into vidya after their past enterprises of hanafuda cards manufacture and "love hotel" chain stopped being profitable?
>>58257446Vaporeon Water/Poison Flareon Fire/Ground Jolteon Electric/Fighting Espeon Psychic/Rock Umbreon Dark/Steel Leafeon Grass/Dragon Glaceon Ice/Flying Sylveon Fairy/Bug I'd introduce also a normal type evolution for Eevee as the last "true" Eeveelution, then give that a Normal/Ghost evolution, there, all 18 types accounted
At least there will always be Chappy pics!
>>58256017The answer is probably "money" and "legal issues," but why not purchase said fan-designs from their creators?
>>58265299You can't verify if they stole it from someone else in the first place
>Purple ring UmbreonEven if the SGB palette was purple at the time, it's very likely that Umbreon would have retained similar bright color rings because bright rings on animals are meant to identify toxicity and warn predators. It would likely retain the red eyes as well, as various poisonous lizards squirt toxic blood from their eyes as a defense mechanism.
>>58265299even if you buy them they could still start having a shit fit for whatever reason, as said here >>58257600
>>58265317looks like pecharunt too
>>58256017>posion type
God designed flamingos, that didn't stop them from making this shit. They didn't even change the name, they just took off a letter.
>>58256017>also steals from other designs
>>58262027Who is Chappy?
>>58257667oh yeah the strawberries
I mean there IS a limit to what can be done with a concept, and fakemon art is so prevalent that I have a hard time doubting every cool or attractive concept has been nearly exhausted. As soon as GF comes out with anything even close to any piece of fanart ever made, they immediately get called hacks
>>58256017What exactly is the problem with designs resembling fan designs or just using fan designs?All you need to do is to give credit to fans that made a design or inspired it, compensate them too, and maybe even hire them like what Sega did with Sonic fans.
>>58256068The text is machine traslated but the meaning is quite obvious(And could easily be infered even without this text)They ALREADY print money so there is no need for a new eevee, wait the day the sales start to go slightly downhill and bam! You'll get hit with a new eevolution or two (and maybe a new charizard too)And fans be like "oh shit a new Eevee I MUST CONSOOM"
>>58268108fans are not professionals and do not act professionally, imagine the shit storm if Sega and Gamefreak noticed some fan's sonic and pikachu fusion design and decided to use it?and hiring fans has worked great for sega so far, just look at the lead writer for IDW making money on the side taking donations to officially confirm fandom headcanons.also do you know who ken penders is?
Let's not pretend that Gamefreak doesn't have a long history of "inspiration" anyway
>>58256017So.Why has nobody taken advantage of this by flooding the internet with purposefully ugly and terrible fakemon so they don't ever become real pokemon?
>>58256017>The design costs would be very highHow can you design your way out of fan-designs? In am sure everything has already been done.
>>58256068Can TPC just buy the fan model, and use it as its own?I know that's basically opening the gates to a billion retards submitting shitty drawinga to HQ hoping to get paid, but a few exceptions can be covered so you can release new Eeveelutions.Besides, now that the fan model is yours, you can charge any fucker who tries to profit from it.
>>58268587oooh THAT'S what they were going for with Dragonite...
>>58269928What they were going for is subverting your expectations for what Dragonair evolves into
>>58256068>Its stupid because everyone wants new EeveesI don't, Eevee has had more than enough attention already.
>>58256475It's not about hating fans retard, it's about not wanting to get in a legal battle if a design is too close to a fan one and they're accused of plagiarism.
>>58266960>KuklanM-Scrafty is not based on a KKK member, the KKK did not invent white clothing.>BarbarkleyIs based on Barbaracle, not the other way around.>Admoot"Cute thing with giant hammer" is a stock character trope, Clover did not invent it.>GalavikMaybe similar conceptually, but "Steel-type based on metal amalgam" is a pretty generic idea. It's like saying Gamefreak can't ever make a peacock Pokemon because there's a hundred peacock fakemon designs out there. Visually they look nothing alike.>Humpunny/BunnorgyThis is the only example where they're actually eerily similar but Maushold seems to be based on a very specific line of Japanese dollhouse figures, the idea of making them a family was probably later derived from that inspiration.
>>58268108I know is a little bit different but take a look at Fortnite and Epic >Let fans create skins>Said fan created skin gets added to the game>Fan is proud of it and acts like a diva>Fan is found out to be a child predator >Epic bans said skin And it happened with "famous people">Hire a "singer" nig for the world cup>Create a song and a skin for him>Release the song>A day after release, cops find out about a dead body in his impounded car >Fast forward a few weeks>Dead body was his underage lover that supposedly he killed Way to go
