Pretty much every single criticism of this game that I've seen is something that I would've never noticed while playing, in comparison to other Pokemon games where there's always that one major flaw that plagues the entire run. Hell, all the main criticisms of this game are points that I think it does a lot better than other games in the series.>DifficultyAlthough not perfect, it had the right idea. It is true that a lot of the gyms get steamrolled and the EXP Share is overtuned, but in Sky Battles, Inverse Battles, Restaurant Battles I have to use actual strategy, and the game has plenty of challenge in the postgame thanks to the Battle Institute and all the different formats in the Battle Maison where I have to use actual strategies instead of spamming the strongest attack.>Kanto panderingThis one I just don't get at all. I have a completely different team full of Pokemon from different gens every time I play through XY. You get a ton of options even before the first gym, and you're still finding new Pokemon at the end of the game. All the Kanto Pokemon handed to you are completely optional to use.>No postgameNo, not really. First you get the Looker storyline, which is a few hours of extra story content, then you have multiple battle facilities such as Sushi High Roller, Battle Institute, and Battle Maison which easily have hundreds of hours worth of replayability.>3D PokemonI just don't see how this is a bad thing. The Pokemon are more faithful to the source material than before, and they have way more expressive animations that are context specific based on what's happening to make them way more lifelike than the sprites ever came close to.Anyway, why exactly is this game hated nowadays? It's not perfect, but I personally think it's the closest we've ever gotten to a perfect Pokemon game, and I've played them all.
>>58270751This place really has become creatively bankrupt
>>58270751>I don't get the hateit’s just jealousy
It was loved upon release. Everything else is revisionist history
>>58270751yawngem
>>58270759ehh from what I remember it got most of the same criticisms on release, it just wasn't judged as harshly because the online play was really good
>>58270759I ended up not finishing it on release because it just didn't click with meI did play through it many years later and it was okay, although "okay" is all it really was. It had its moments but I didn't find it to be anything to write home about
>>58270790no one bitched about kanto pandering because seeing popular pokemon was refreshing after a gen full of terrible designsno one bitched about difficulty because no one at the time posting online was underaged enough to think the previous gen was hardno one bitched about 3D because dexit wasn't there to exist as an excuse to screech about it
>>58270798no, people definitely bitched about all of those things lol
CHADlos saved Pokemon and thats all that matters
>>58270806nah lol
>>58270759it was loved because it represented a brand new era of pokemon and even though it was a rushed and unfinished game we excused it for being their first 3D game and we couldn't wait for Game Freak to fulfill the potential that was clearly present there.nowadays, with the gift of hindsight, it's clear that almost every issue that plagues the games today started with X and Y and they should have stayed with the old formula
>>58270820>even though it was a rushed and unfinished gamenot really
>>58270823The main story was fleshed out enough for what it was, but the postgame was severely lacking
>>58270827>but the postgame was severely lackingnot really
>>58270823>>58270830Yes reallyWe know the facts. Why are you pretending otherwise?
>>58270835>We know the factsExactly. That's how we know you're lying.
>>58270751It's not hate. It's disappointment. XY is the Potential Man of Pokemon.
>>58270759absolute historcal revisionism, you weren't here. we immediately recognized they were half baked dogshit.
you all know the drill
>>58270798>>58270759Based and truBorts just can’t relate because bw was polarised on here despite being le magnum opus
>>58270751The story could be a lot better.If the story was a lot better and if it had southern Kalos it probably would’ve been my favorite Pokémon game imo
>>58270759Ehh. It was loved initially but quickly dropped aside from online.
>>58270798no one bitched about kanto pandering because seeing popular pokemon was refreshing after a gen full of terrible designsThey did./vp/ isn't all there is.no one bitched about difficulty because no one at the time posting online was underaged enough to think the previous gen was hardOh they complained. Gen 4 and 5 were often seen as the 'hardest gens' at the time. The 'every Pokémon game is easy' thing didn't come until around Gen 7 or 8.no one bitched about 3D because dexit wasn't there to exist as an excuse to screech about itThey did. Common complaints were the lack of personality, unnatural movements and washed out colors.
>>58270823>thing that's verifiably true if you actually took the time to do some research>says 'not really'
>>58270830It was. One new city, a few rooms and a short but decently written story. At least there's the Maison and Friend Safari.
>>58270751If I'm being completely honest, I can look at X and Y and say that a number of things that I dislike in this game did start with Black and White. For example, the Unova games definitely feel more cutscene dense and guided than a lot of the games that came previously, which is probably a result of having two Rivals.That being said, I feel like Black/White and Black 2/White 2 would at least give me a reasonable challenge as the game progressed, which is why I look back on them fondly. In comparison, X and Y throw a bunch of extremely powerful Pokémon at you and never give the same treatment to the enemies. There are only, what, five characters that use Mega Evolution across the entire campaign? So while X and Y do have a lot of nice features that I can look back on and retroactively think "Oh yeah, the PSS was good. Oh yeah, I did like Wonder Trade. Oh yeah, the boutiques and such probably had better clothing choices here than in any other game." and more, the majority of my experience was just steamrolling everything and being kinda bored.
>>58270751I don’t mean this as an insult to X and Y because I don’t really like being negative and I actually quite like them. But factually they are unfinished. The Teraleak revealed the struggles and cut content of the game along with development notes which all revealed and expanded the initial ideas of X and Y that were never worked on. Kinda sad honestly.
>>58270751>Being so obsessed with Johto you had to make this thread
>>58270751Maybe it's because Fairy type. Dragonfags be like:>Dragon type may be powerful but it's rare to obtain and raise>There's already Ice type attacks to counter it>If GF wanted so badly to nerf Dragon type, they should've just introduced stronger Ice type Pokémonand so on.
>>58270823Even before the postgame there's so many locations early in the story that are just pointless/empty.
>>58270751XY sucked. The only pokemon games that I didn't want to replay after beating them.
The issue with Kalos isn't that they're bad game, it's that they're a good half-game
>>58271246>thing that's verifiably false if you actually took the time to do some research>says 'verifiably true'>>58271249>It was>lists ways it wasn't lackingok>>58271764>there's so many locations early in the story that are just pointless/empty.And you can't actually name a single one.>>58271691>But factually they are unfinishedNot really.>B-BUT THEY THOUGHT ABOUT INCLUDING THINGS AND DIDN'T INCLUDE THEMBy this retard logic every game in existence is unfinished.
Oh it’s gonna be one of THOSE threads. This whole conversation makes me wish they actually went through and made a dlc that expands on the rivals and added southern Kalos
>>58271856bro there's entire forms of zygarde unused and relegated to sun and moon and mega latios and latias clearly meant for xy that ended up in ORAS, plus that train station and southern kaos, stop coping. They even named PLZA that instead of Pokemon Legends Zygarde because it's the Pokémon Z that always should've happened
>>58271873>bro there's entire forms of zygarde unusedNo there aren't.>these Hoenn Pokemon were clearly meant for the Kalos game and not the Hoenn gameAre you retarded?
>>58271856>And you can't actually name a single one.one of the first things you do in the game is wander around an empty castle and then get sent to a slightly less empty versailles to wander around
>>58271904>emptyMaybe you should get your opinions from actually playing the game instead of retarded youtube essays.
Why did Platinum have to be so unfinished broswe should have gotten Pokemon Topaz version
Mega-Evolution is kinda the point of no return for silly battle mechanics that get used for one region only
>>58271936how is it sillier than any other mechanic in these games?
>>58270798>no one bitched about kanto pandering because seeing popular pokemon was refreshing after a gen full of terrible designsYou can find reviews from release complaining about a relative lack of new pokemon. It was definitely something that got a mixed reception
>>58271945The game has over 100 new Pokemon. That’s plenty.
>>58271965>The game has over 100 new Pokemon. That’s plenty.
>>58271993Not my problem if Bulbapedo is wrong.
>>5827199372 NOT counting Mega Evos. There were 28 Mega Evos in X and Y, so a total of 100.
>>58272015b-b-buh megas dont count as new pokemon even though they require equally as much effort to make as new pokemon and have just as much if not more impact on the game than new pokemon!!!
>>58272015almost like it was a stupid idea to spend resources on that instead of pokemon people could actually keep
>>58271995Ok, here's a screenshot from Pokemon Home, the current official crossgen storage system. How do I get the missing 28 Gen 6 Pokemon?>>58272015Megas are not new Pokemon. How do I use them in Scarlet & Violet?
>>58272026But you can keep Megas. Did you play the game?
>furfrou isn’t a new pokemon because you can’t use it in SVdisingenuous sagefag logic at work folks
>>58270759That was mostly due to the cultural circumstance surrounding it.Bank's launch was totally bungled and only Japan got a brief window to transfer their mons forward, so for a time there was an extremely unique state of economic prosperity where it felt like the community actually mattered, since you had to make some hard bargains to gets transfer-only mons like most of the Legendaries and Porygon.Once Bank became stable for everyone, all of that love quickly evaporated, especially because HOENN CONFIRMED was now on the horizon AND there was confirmation that XY wasn't getting patched to include the ORAS Megas and Hoopa Unbound, which effectively made them worthless, outdated games only a year after launch.
>>58272036Furfrou is a Mega Evolution? Where's the non-mega Furfrou then?
>>58271048this. i was a teenager when this got revealed, was hoping it’d be the 3D mainline entry i’d expected to blow me away the whole time i was a kid.had never been on social media at that point, judgement was totally in a vacuum outside of school friends or like yt.excitedly watched the reveal, the second gameplay rolled i decided i was no longer interested lol.
>>58272043Colosseum and Gale of Darkness are better 3D Pokemon games than the main series. Is it too much work for a 3D Pokemon mainline game to have animations on par with them?
>>58272033Megas are new Pokemon. They are straight-up new designs that took the same amount of resources to make as a normal Pokemon.>How do I use them in Scarlet & Violet?Nigga like 200+ Pokemon in general are missing from Scarlet and Violet across all generations even factoring in the DLC. This is a retarded argument, especially since Megas were usable in Sun and Moon.
>>58272058No they aren't. Megas are gimmicks that were put to the sideline in Gen 7 to make room for it's gimmick, then promptly cut in Gen 8, only for them to be brought back in Legends ZA, simply because that also takes place in Kalos, while killing the Legends subseries in the process.
>>58272064According to Masuda, Megas count as new Pokemon. He told Famitsu at the time of SWSH that Pokemon had already exceeded 1000 Pokemon due to counting forms and regional variants as individual Pokemon, and that's why Dexit was a necessity.I'll take the word of a GameFreak old guard any day over the headcanon of an anon, you literally can't find a higher word of god unless it's from Satoshi Tajiri himself, who's been notoriously absent from the public eye ever since he pulled out.
>>58272047agreed wholeheartedly and no, it shouldn’t be asking too much for good animations and nice presentationsadly at best, GF proper will do small improvements to the creatures (texture & model tweaks, vfx, anims) piecemeal, and then also, bc of parallel development, only the second game released after one with improvements will actually (maybe) have them return
>>58270758You must be 18 to post here.
>>58270751The main complaint has ALWAYS been that the pacing is dogshit atrocious. Everyone loved the online and early game on release but the common sentiment had always been the game completely falls off into a boring snoozefest after the second or so gym.
>>58272084Really? I thought the main complaints were just that it was too easy and the lack of post game. I remember all of the "dogshit pacing" criticisms being lobbied at SM.
>>58272047>Colosseum and Gale of Darkness are better 3D Pokemon games than the main seriesnot really>>58272074>it shouldn’t be asking too much for good animations and nice presentationgood thing XY had that then
>>58272093That's because SM took precedent on all pacing complaints and made XY look saintly in comparison, but now that both games are old news, people are willing to look back on XY and be disappointed all over again that it went from having a kickass pacing between Game Start to Gym 2 to going breakneck speeds after Gym 3.
>>58272071>According to Masuda, Megas count as new Pokemonwho cares about him, ask players if they're distinct pokemon and they'll tell you noIn a "catch em all" game temporary power boosts are never going to be seen by most players as unique pokemon
>>58272084>the game completely falls off into a boring snoozefest after the second or so gymand you won't be able to actually explain how because you don't actually have an argument and you parrot all your opinions from reddit
>>58272064>Megas are gimmicksthey're not any more gimmicks than other new pokemon>B-BUT THEY WERE CUThow is that XY's problem?
>>58272105>who cares about the word of god, ask players if they're distinct pokemon and they'll tell you [HEADCANON]
>>58272033Even ignoring megas this is such a poor lineup once you take out starters, legends and version exclusives.I like most of them, even love more than in other games but there's so few to actually catch in a game.
>>58272105>"the fans have more of a say on what counts then the head director!"kill yourself disingenuous faggot
>>58272121>it’s a poor lineup if you arbitrarily ignore part of the lineupyeah true every pokemon game sucks
>>58272119This is basically death of the author buddy, a guy saying the line that's most beneficial for the company he has ties to simply does not matter compared to most of the playerbase's perception.They know this too because they promptly pushed the feature into the background and went for a less instrusive one that didn't impact collections for sun/moon.
>>58272129it's a catching game, the free gifts at the start and end of it aren't relevant to most of how it feels to play itThis whole thread is people arbitrarily trying to ignore everything people say they dislike about the kalos games lol, as if you can "that doesn't count" your way out of opinions.
>>58272093SM wasn't a pacing problem, it was a handholding "Here's Lillie dialogue for the 500th time XDD!" problem. XY was the game where it had no idea what it was doing and the mid-game is just completely devoid of any interest.
>>58272131>promptly pushed the feature into the background>Megas returned in Gen 7 post game>Returning for Z-Apraying for the day that Pokemon fans actually play the games they claim to dislike
>>58272138>it’s a catching game, damn, you’re right, I guess every evolution ever that isn’t catchable in the wild doesn’t count as a new pokemon
>>58272138Not sure how you can say that when you have faggots here claiming that Megas "don't count as new Pokemon" when fucking Masuda himself said they were.
>>58270751>First you get the Looker storylineIf you're going to rip off the HGSS thread you can at least do it right.
>>58272139> XY was the game where it had no idea what it was doing and the mid-game is just completely devoid of any interestand you won't be able to actually explain how because you don't actually have an argument and you parrot all your opinions from reddit
>>58272147NTA I don't really care about this argument either way but Masuda is a dumbass and is fundamentally disconnected from the fanbase in core values and design philosophy, nobody should ever take his word at face value
I played the game for the first time this year in preparation for ZA. Pokemon XY are good games but don't do anything exceptionally well. They are a 7/10 in every category which makes them more ummemorable than other gens. Other gens like Sinnoh are not amazing at everything but there is something they do way better than others which is why when I remember Sinnoh, I immediately have some positives and negatives about the gen in mind. While when I think about XY, I just feel like everything is kinda there and alright but nothing really grabs me. However Kalos is a beautiful region and I say that as a France hater.
Only retards overvalue postgame
>>58272162What does Sinnoh do way better than other games?
>>58272162I don't think anyone here is claiming that XY are the pinnacle of Pokemon or anything. But they're definitely far too overhated and to see some people label them as one of the worst generations is insane.
>Megas are totally new mons>Can only use 1 per battleMegashit was only made because they tried to replace cross gen evos
>>58272162>played it this year>after the Nintendo Network shutdownIt sucks to see, but you did not get the entire mileage out of the game that the developers intended.
>other pokemon games>midgame comes around>more and more areas open up and lots of side content>xy>midgame comes around>here's your mega lucario and lapras. now go do a gym and fight your rival 4 times in a row. By the way, the story climax is rushed and the legendaries have worse lore and involvement than gen 2.I'll pass
>>58270823>first three gyms: ten hours to beat>last five gyms and E4: ten hours to beatit was rushed retard
>>58272186So is gen 5 rushed because the first 3 gyms take 3 hours to beat and then last 5 gyms and e4 take 5 hours to beat?
>>58272174I don't think it's unfair to call the most boring games one of the worst generations; especially when it was the same generation that essentially killed off spinoffs, had a terrible remake that people still lambast to this day and the only thing people cared about (the anime) got cucked so bad by its ending people genuinely cried about it.Gen 6's only real claim to fame was PSS and the Pre-Bank culture, both of which are completely dead now. It has nothing to offer.
>>58272185>can’t name specific examples of other games opening up more areas and side content because he doesn’t actually have an argumentzzz
>>58272198I love how the first 10% of this post is a completely subjective claim with nothing backing it up and the remaining 90% is just screeching about things that have nothing to do with XY itself
>>58272167I think Sinnoh shares the best region design with Johto. It had the best champion at that time and probably still does. I like the sense of adventure you have in that region, especially Route 216 and 217 are among my favorite routes in the series.
>>58272174As I said I think XY are still good games. I would rank Sword Shield and Sun Moon way lower.
>>58272185In XY’s midgame the majority of Lumiose City opens up with the museum, more restaurants and cafes, and you get access to optional areas like azure bay, route 16, and lost hotelIf anything XY is one of the few games where this is actually true while shit like DPPt and gen 5 literally nothing opens up and it’s just the same linear slop as before.
>>58272212What about the region is well designed? The Geodude and Zubat spam? The egregious HM roadblocks that are made redundant by extra NPC roadblocks? Can you actually give a specific reason it’s well designed or you just going to claim it’s well designed and hope you get upvotes?
>>58272229>NPC roadblocks make HM roadblocks redundantAren't you the one telling people not to make subjective claims?
>>58272234>get rock climb>go to Mt Coronet>blocked by painting>get rock climb>go to Sunyshore>blocked by fat npc telling me there's a power outageHMs objectively have zero fucking reason to be in the game.
>>58272229This is a XY thread and thats why I didn't want to yap too much about Sinnoh. Especially because its just an example as I was just trying to say that every gen does something better than others. When I am talking about region design, I am not talking about the Pokemon distribution, that's a different category and one of the downsides of Sinnoh. I like Mt. Coronet and how everything is connected to it and the lore around it. I like how the Towns feel like they have sense in that world such as towns focused on mining, fishing etc. The whole region feels more connected to nature which I like. Don't feel like typing more.
>>58272246The painting is lore for the player.>get rock climb>go to Sunyshore>blocked by fat npc telling me there's a power outageThat doesn't even make sense, are you saying Sunyshore should be accessed only by Rock Climb?
>>58272185being given a lucario honestly annoyed me even on the first playthroughI know it was a gifted egg previously but it felt lame just being handed a rare pokemon that is very strong even without evolving.
A question to all the people that don't like XY or think they are just alright, if Z-A turns out to be the best Pokemon in the 3d era, would it retroactively redeem Kalos for you?
>>58272131So Charizard doesn't actually matter all that much to them because they dexcut it in PLA? Damn.
>>58272322not just a lucario, a mega lucario that you're also actively forced to battle with in the 1v1
>>58272288>The painting is lore for the player.damn I didn't know the only way to do ""lore"" is a to draw some legendaries you've already seen on a fucking retarded easily missable roadblock. Sinnoh is heckin peak!>are you saying Sunyshore should be accessed only by Rock Climb?I'm saying HMs shouldn't be made entirely pointless by tying them to progression just to not use them for progression.
>>58272329>I'm saying HMs shouldn't be made entirely pointless by tying them to progression just to not use them for progression.But they are used for progression in the game? You think there should only be one means of progression?
>>58272322It is kinda bad how most players probably ended up with the same team at the end of their playthrough. One starter (most likely Greninja), one Kanto starter, Lucario, Lapras, box legendary and then one spot for another Pokemon
>>58272332>But they are used for progression in the game?And yet I can't progress with them. Curious.>You think there should only be one means of progression?Yes, because that way the game won't have two obnoxious mechanics at once.
>>58272335>It is kinda bad how [FANFIC]every time
>>58272335Most likely Aegislash, considering how retardedly good it was.
>>58272335Lapras and the box legend weren't much mainstays, it was usually Talon and AegislashPangoro was also very common
>>58272198I understanding finding the generation a bit boring, and I get the "too easy" complaints since EXP share does make the game easier (although I don't mind it since I absolutely hate grinding and still had my fair share of struggles in XY), but I don't think the game killed spinoffs, I really liked ORAS, and what happened with the Anime has nothing to do with the games themselves which was my main point. X and Y definitely aren't perfect, but they're overhated to an annoying purist degree and it's truly baffling to see people call them the worst generation when SM, SwSh, and SV are right there.
>>58272337>Yes, because that way the game won't have two obnoxious mechanics at once.Well you're retarded then, Pokemon's always gone for a mix of natural roadblocks and human ones.
>>58272364>SM or SV>worseHuge fucking bait and even Gen 8 gets bailed out by PLA
>>58272367>Pokemon's always gone for a mix of natural roadblocks and human onesPokemon hasn't always gone for a mix one obnoxious mechanic (HMs) overlapped with another obnoxious mechanic (retarded NPCs)
>>58272364SV are way better. People just hate them because of how bad they look
>>58272364I think we're still in the switch cope era, those will probably be unanimously seen as the worst in the future.
>>58272381>switch cope>when SM is 3DS and SwSh is universally disliked here
>>58272364A generation is a generation and includes all aspects. Don't call it a generation if you're only talking about one game.
>>58272369>Gen 8 gets bailed out by PLAmuh retail priced tech demo
>>58270751worst games in the franchise. only retards will disagree.
>>58272372>Pokemon hasn't always gone for a mix one obnoxious mechanic (HMs) overlapped with another obnoxious mechanic (retarded NPCs)Yeah, it always has. They still do it even now, they just changed the name of HMs to rides.
i think this game has pretty moments, i like what the gym battles and the elite four environments look liked it was a step in te direction of sunmoon, which was the worst game i have ever played
>>58272376>"People just hate them because of the graphics!">dogshit performance>boring story that's only saving grace is Area Zero>terastallization being the most uninteresting gimmick>team star>some of the worst mon designs the series has seen yetyeah no it's definitely just because of the graphics.
>>58272381I honestly think there's a higher chance of the switch games being looked back on fondly, considering that's what's happening with the 3DS games now. Awaiting the "were Sword and Shield that bad?" videos upon PLZA's release.>>58272391I was referring to the generation of games, XY and ORAS both of which I think are good and better than the Gen 7-9 games. If you want to factor in outside media for how good or bad a generation is, then Unova is undoubtedly the worse with PMD Gates to Infinity and the dogshit anime.
>>58272403holy shit I still need to shove shitty moves on my pokemon and keep them in my party? Where?
>>58272464>moves goalpost
>>58272469>argument was about HMs>”wtf why are you moving the goalpost by talking about HMs”
>>58270751The fact you said "run" means you wouldn't get it.
>complaint about XY>it's something that BW started
>>58272505No, the argument was about roadblocks.
>>58272520many such cases lmao
>>58272326no
>>58272524Why blatantly lie when anyone can easily scroll up and see that you're full of shit?>>58272229>The egregious HM roadblocks that are made redundant by extra NPC roadblocks? >The egregious HM roadblocks that are made redundant by extra NPC roadblocks? >The egregious HM roadblocks that are made redundant by extra NPC roadblocks?
>>58272391Normal people are just talking about the games when they say generation.
>>58272576>Why blatantly lie when anyone can easily scroll up and see that you're full of shit?Are you retarded? I was arguing against your claim that you can't have both HM roadblocks and NPC roadblocks because that's something the series always did, a mix of natural roadblocks and human roadblocks. Even later entries still do this with stuff like the Arceus ride mons. You tried moving the discussion to the quality of HMs here >>58272464
>>58272423You can call the story boring but its still the best in the franchise. Especially the Kitakami dlc was great. Terralization is the best gimmick if you actually play the games. It adds another layer of depth to the battle system. The monster designs are in line with other 3d era titles and slightly better than SS and XY overall.
>>58272613nah normal people just say the games fuckin' name broeven then oras is total dogshit and just makes gen 6 look even worse
>>58272628>You can call the story boring but its still the best in the franchise. Especially the Kitakami dlc was great.subjective>Terralization is the best gimmick if you actually play the games. It adds another layer of depth to the battle system.no it's not, it's unpredictable power creep garbage with the most boring design application ever>The monster designs are in line with other 3d era titles and slightly better than SS and XY overall.no they aren't, Paradox Pokemon are retarded and 50% of this gens designs are ugly and repulsive
Kalosdaddies got them bacon bussies sizzling again i fear.
Can i think that XY is better than Gen 2?
>>58272627>that's something the series always did,And I was arguing against your claim because the newer games don't have HM roadblocks, dumbfuck.>Even later entries still do this with stuff like [thing that's not an HM roadblock]You're not very smart, are you?
>>58272628>Terralization is the best gimmick if you actually play the gamesDepends on what you want from the games surely.It's good in a pure pvp sense but if you like your game worlds to feel believable I think it takes away from that. It's the most transparent case of mechanic first, in world justification second, that they've ever done.
I don't, I loved it. It could have been a bit tougher or the best game content at little more fleshed but I can let that pass for the fun game and the best multiplayer system of any of the games.
>>58272726You need to calm down and read my posts properly schizo, I am saying they're similar in that they're both roadblocks from nature.
>>58272858You need to calm down and read my posts properly schizo, I'm saying they're not similar at all because the games don't use HMs anymore.
>>58272715the jury is still out for me, I need convincing
>>58271919I played Pokemon Topaz. It aged like milk.
>>58272909>they're not similar at allI get it now, you don't play Pokemon games at all. I see you're just here to have a schizo meltdown. You'll likely tell yourself you won the argument anyway, you don't have to reply if you don't want to.
>>58270751>is something that I would've never noticed while playing,so you're inobservant cattle. Stopped reading here.
>>58272933>you don't play Pokemon games at allPlease tell me which part of Legends Arceus forces me to put moves on my Pokemon and keep them in my party just to progress like HMs. I'm still waiting, anon.
>>58273304So not only do you not play Pokemon, you're ESL too?"Similar" does not mean "Exactly".
>>58270751I noticed performance drops from time to time. In certain locations (mostly the photo spots) or in triple and rotation battles.
>>58271768Same. Outside of the online, there's no real reason to play it again.
>>58273333Glad we agree newer games don’t have HM roadblocks.
>>58271900>No there aren't.Yes there are. There's design documents mentioning them. They were cut from XY, planned for Z, which got cancelled and then we got SM which had the forms shoehorned in.
>>58271900>Are you retarded? No need to project. Why do you think Mega Latias and Latios (and Blaziken) are in XY's code, but no other ORAS Megas are?Don't you think they might have originally planned an event with them? Or planned to have them roam instead/alongside the Kanto bird? Then realized it'd be better to just cut that and put them into ORAS instead because that makes more sense. Perhaps they were originally meant to be a tease or something.
>>58271912That's what we do. We play the games and we give our opinions. Shabboneau Castle and Parfrum Palace have practically nothing aside from a few easy to obtain items. Once you're done the story there, there's no reason to go back.
>>58273372>TH-THEY THOUGHT OF THING!! BUT THEN THEY DIDN’T DO IT!true, every creative project ever is unfinished
>>58273365I did not say otherwise schizobro. You should get better reading comprehension before arguing with people.
>>58271942Yeah, Terastalization is sillier. Look at the hats.
>>58272015New forms aren't technically new Pokémon. The whole 'Megas are new Pokémon' thing only existed in the early western marketing. The Japanese marketing never said 'new Pokémon'
>>58272019They require far less. It's just take old Pokémon, slap spikes on it, say it's new.
>>58272034You can't keep them outside of battle, nor can you transfer them into the current gen.
>>58272033This dex was so piss poor in reality.
>>58272036It is a new Pokémon because it's can be transferred into Pokémon Home.
>>58272093>>58272084Both of these were big complaints
>>58272434>XY better than SMRetard with no taste who likely got filtered by muh cutscenes
>>58270759This is the truth. Normies loved XY thanks to the vast amount of Kanto pandering and focus being mostly on mons from the previous gens (Megas). It got a lot of people back into Pokemon simply because you had the Kanto starters handed to you very early in the game.
>>58273395>>58273400>>58273402>>58273404>>58273407you're either a retarded samefag or a newfag that doesn't know how to address multiple replies at once
>>58272107It goes too quickly. It feels like you're rapid firing the gyms.
>>58272142You'd be surprised. They do, in fact play these games. Probably more than you. It's apparent based on how little you know.
>>58273416>multiple routes between each gymsounds less fast than gen 5
>>58272146No? Because they're permanent and have their own dex number. What dex number is Mega Glalie?
>>58272151Have you ever considered the fact that the people on Reddit played the game and came to that conclusion?
>>58273415I think he’s assblasted that he’s getting BTFO so he’s trying to get the thread to the bump limit as fast as possible.
>>58272342Either Aegislash, Talonflame or a Fairy type like Sylveon or Florges
>>58272372Yes it has. How do I leave Pewter City and reach Mt. Moon before beating Brock (no glitches)
>>58273412Sorry I don't like dogshit pacing and exposition dumps for a very uninteresting and by-the-numbers story.>>58273424The reply in question was acting like Megas had never returned after Gen 6 which is blatantly false if you actually played the SM Postgame. Also, you say this and yet I haven't actually seen any real argument behind any of the criticisms in this thread.
>>58272520Or something that started even earlier
>>58272726>And I was arguing against your claim because the newer games don't have HM roadblocks, dumbfuck.They have an equivalent. 'Oh there's a giant piece of water, too bad my Miraidon can't swim yet'>You're not very smart, are you?Ridemons are the modern day equivalent. Sure you no longer have to teach the move, but there's still obstacles in the way that you need an upgrade or ride Pokémon to get past.
>>58273333Yoooo. Quads. Best post
>>58273387No. Because XY were actually rushed. Most games cut content because it doesn't work with the current scope of the game, or they thought of something better.
>>58273415Or they were made by multiple different people who happened to resoond to different posts
>>58273426Unironically Gen 5 probably takes longer. The routes and dungeons are generally longer. Plus there's more trainers along the main path of those areas. Iirc BW has the highest number of mandatory generic trainers.
>>58273527ah yes, multiple people who all have the same writing style saying similar things all a couple seconds-minutes apart when the thread had only been getting one new reply every few minutes. fuck off
>>58273433.........no, I haven't.
>>58273474Just because you haven't seen an argument doesn't mean the argument isn't there. Just because you say the criticisms aren't valid doesn't mean they aren't valid. You'd know if you weren't a disingenuous shitposter who just copies arguments from Reddit.
>>58273527I mean it's possible.>>58273535How do you tell these people are the same? I can't pick up on writing styles unless you're a person who ends sentences with a codeword or something
>>58270759You will never gaslight me into believing this/vp/ used to actually play the games, so there were certainly more people enjoying it, especially since the PSS and friend safaris were good features and the meta was fun. However, there were always complaints.I would know because I used to post complaints myself between shitposting about karenfags and making recolor threads.
>>58273544>criticism is brought up>asked to clarify>nonresponseBy definition this makes a criticism invalid, no?>Just because you haven't seen an argument doesn't mean the argument isn't there.That's the whole point of this fucking thread retard, for those that dislike XY to bring up any criticisms since the OP doesn't understand the hate. >You'd know if you weren't a disingenuous shitposter who just copies arguments from Reddit.Ignoring the fact that the majority of people who dunk on XY just parrot that opinion from Reddit. GTFO newfag.
>>58273390>I did not say otherwise>>58272367
>>58273586Just stop replying to me, you never had any idea what we're arguing and you're barely even literate.
>>58273592>having HMs and NPCs roadblocks in the same game is retarded>"b-buh every game does that">newer games don't have HMs retard>"Y-YOU'RE MOVING GOALPOSTS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE ARGUING"yeah ok go shitpost somewhere else
>>58273599>>"Y-YOU'RE MOVING GOALPOSTS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE ARGUING"Evidently.
>>58272520The irony too that most of the people who hate Gen 6 like Gen 5
>>58273610>most of the people who hate a bad game like a good gameuh, yeah.
holy yawn
>>58273608Stop projecting.
>>58273628>most of the people who hate a bad game like an even worse gameuh, yeah.
>>58273877parroting is an admission of defeat
bump
>>58272464Newer games very clearly feature the same roadblocks that were tied to HMs in the older games, therefore they can be described as HM roadblocks even in the lack of the actual permanent HM moveslot mechanic in tat specific game.
>>58274061>they can be described as HM roadblocks even though they’re not HM roadblocksok retard
>>58274068They are the roadblocks that are historically gated by HMs, that makes them HM roadblocks. It's that simple.
>>58274089>historicallySo they're not HM roadblocks got it
>>58272033you basically run out of new mons not even halfway through the game, goddamn
>NOOOOO JOHTO BAD BECAUSE MUH MONS ARE TOO LATE IN THE GAME>NOOOOO KALOS BAD BECAUSE MUH MONS ARE TOO EARLY IN THE GAME
some of you people are insanely autistic holy fuck
>>58270751The only salvation of XY is the introduction of Battle Chatelaine.
>>58270751Too many megas were locked behind the post game. For the game's defining gimmick, you aren't allowed to use it to the fullest till there's nothing left to do.
>>58270759This is how you know someone has been on /vp/ for less than 7 years. My god, the waiting for Bank times.....
>>58274220>lessmore*
>>58270759brvtal trvke
Why does the Kalos fanbase believe opinions can't change over time?
>>58274271because all the "hate" obviously is coming exclusively from salty borts who know the reality of what it was back then and are now old enough to try to astroturf a more favorable narrative for themselves
>>58274271because it's very obviously not opinions changing over time and moreso autistic underaged newfags who discovered /vp/ during dexit
>>58272520Another trvke
>>58274307A new part of the fanbase giving new perspectives would indeed be opinions changing over time.
>>58274360that's adding, not changingthey were not there before; a mind was not transformed
>>58274364>a mind was not transformedXY is not one of the more popular gens. Either you lied about how great reception was or people did fall out of love with it.
>>58274374>XY is not one of the more popular gens
>>58274374nobody has ever claimed anything more than that xy was a welcome decent entry after gen v disappointedthe game was tolerable, and in the context of the time, that was enough; it has however led to it having one of the smallest actual dedicated fanbases, because it was never about how good it was, but about how bad it wasn't
>>58274379>xy decent>gen v disappointedlollmao
>>58274378Correct.https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58095451/#q58095451
>>58274401>2025this is worthless
>>58274400it's true, bort, and you know it
>>58274409>"popular" thing couldn't survive the test of timeYikes
>>58274411>”unpopular” thing has zoomers seething over it in jealousyYikes
>>58274415this
>>58274415Jealous of what?
>>58274436The game not being full of ugly designs?The game bringing back content that was lazily cut?The game having actual animations?The game reviving Pokemon with normies?Take your pick.
>>58274449How come XY couldn't break into Japan's top 100 despite having all of that?
>>58274453Except it did. You’re an illiterate retard who didn’t read his own link. Symptom of being a seething zoomer, I guess.
>>58274453that very thread shows it dids/m are the least memorable gen
>>58274449>>58274456typical truthbombs
>>58274456Zoomers are the ones who would have grown up with X/Y and favor it. Are you retarded?
>>58274479Zoomers are the ones who screech about Kanto pandering and difficulty
>>58274479zoomers usually end up becoming borts for some strange, unknown, sad reasonI'm not a zoomer and I still defend xy
>>58274484Zoomers grew up with DPPT, BW/BW2, and XY. You have to face reality one day Kalosperm.
>>58274551the oldest zoomers were 16 when XY released
>>58274553And?
>>58274558that's not "growing up with"your statement >>58274551 is faulty on multiple levels as far as what it's insinuating
>>58270751My only complain isThe story is unofocused and have tons of unresolved questions. Stuff randomly happens.HOWEVER. ONLINE was great as we all know. The down screen was decently used.Loved minigames.>>58271805Truth.
>>58270751Bort gaslighting
>>58271805unlike bw where its full-bad game
>>58270751Hallway simulator. Every route is really boring and almost every town/city looks the same. Laverre Town and route 15 and 16 are pretty comfy though, altough not very interesting other than a cool aesthetic. Replaying Y for the first time in many years and it is even worse than i remember. Also the models are mostly ugly and devoid of personality.
>>58270759>Everything else is revisionist historyThere is a reason Yokai watch(and persona 5) got so much buzz in the west the first year , both oras and XY got people begging for more monster taming games that weren't pokemon.And YW2 btfo ORAS in japan so hard that SM rip of YW
>>58275129>Replaying Y for the first time in many years and it is even worse than i remembersame, is obvious they locked you in one city in ZA because is the only memorable one.
>>58274489>zoomers usually end up becoming borts for some strange, unknown, sad reasonif i didn't know any better i'd say it's because BW and BW2 were good games
>>58270751The entirety of 3DS mainline gets unnecessary amounts of shit from turbo autistic purists
>>58275232But they aren’t good games, so that can’t be right
>>58270798People were so anti-genwunner because of all the kanto pandering at the time that I can physically will before my eyes those facebook/youtube comment screenshots of KANTOOO and CHARIZARD fans because of how often they were posted. Was also the famous "the problem with gen 1" image that only got more tacked on over time made purely to spite those people.The difficulty was always mocked as well, and people were so fucking mad when they removed the option to turn off the exp share. It was to the point that I had to be the devil's advocate on why the nu-exp share isn't inherently bad but rather just poorly balanced in its current state. Besides that there were also the megas and the handouts to make it even easier, not sure I remember people shitting on the affection mechanics too much yet, probably because grinding affection in amie is an entirely separate mechanic.It is true people didn't complain about the 3D specifically, though there were complaints. The idles of some pokemon that had to be flying to participate in sky battles, some model proportions, the pokemon colors, the chibi overworld, Lumiose's camera, the rollerskate controls, and in particular I remember people laughing at ORAS's square puddles. I think in general the newness and assumption that it would improve over time made the 3D perfectly fine as it was otherwise, which I still think it's fine in gen 6, but they really should have done more by now>tfw will never go back to alive and optimistic /vp/
>>58275425is that what you tell yourself?
>>58275425this
TLDR not reading most of this thread, just wanted to share one of my fave things people complained about back in the day. EXP share. People used to always complain about it existing, and would get mad when told to just not use it.Then when they made it a toggle, people complained over that, all you had to do was turn it off though.Then they just made it a permanent thing. Honestly love GF for that.
>xy hater>it's an eslEvery time.
>>58273395>New forms aren't technically new Pokémon
>>58276317Don't bother, he'll just go "le death of le author! the people's opinion matters more!" to discredit any and all official citations that forms like Mega Evolution are considered "New Pokemon" in the eyes of the Pokemon brand, even outside of PR speak like the SWSH era Famitsu interview.
>>58276410but they're not new pokemonthey're a mid battle transformation for an existing pokemon and got cut from the main games for years because gf didnt see them as new pokemonyou cant even have them in home unlike a regular pokemon even
>>58276473>they're a mid battle transformation for an existing pokemonthat results in a new pokemon, correct
>>58276473>because gf didnt see them as new pokemonSo GameFreak didn't see Dracovish as an actual Pokemon because it got dexcut after SWSH?Got it, only real Pokemon are the select few Gen 1 Pokemon who've been present in every single game and haven't been dexcut, ever.
