>>58272443
this, pokemon was always bad and you enjoyed it anyway
so go buy the new game and the dlc

>>58272448
But that was actually super cool? That they hid some Pokemon in Kanto. It gives you feeling that not everything was discovered and sparked your curiosity.

>>58272448
pirate*
i also always pirated the games, so i'll continue doing that

It's always Houndour, nobody bothers to bring up fucking Slugma or the fact the only games prior to fucking Scarlet and Violet that let you even conveniently USE a Houndour on your team are Platinum and X (not even Y)

>>58272443
Still better than DPPt

>>58272495
You fucking wish

>>58272443
I used to think dragon type had the most autistic fans but firefags sure give them a run for their money.

>>58272443
and you can’t even evolve growlithe and vulpix in GS because no fire stone before kanto
what were they thinking? were they thinking?

>>58272568
To be fair this is the same dev team that outright cut Growlithe in the next game

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You can get more Pokémon pre-League in GS than you can in every Gen I game combined.

>>58272557
Pic related

>>58272480
because you get slugma in hgss in johto

>>58272640
Gonna clarify further. Let's say you're playing Gold in Japanese. That means no Jigglypuff on Route 46, it only appears in Kanto, and no breeding for Igglybuff. No egg Slugma, no Ice Path Sneasel, no Safari Zone, no Odd Egg, no trade evolutions, no other starters, no opposite version exclusives, no Mystery Gift, no Celebi event, no glitches. You're locked down.

Before the post-game, that number has gone up to 161. That number becomes 199 after the post-game, and 232 if you allow for trading with the opposite version. Add in a single Gen I game, and it becomes 249.

Each of these numbers is greater than 151.

>>58272568
Honestly i don't mind mons being available significantly earlier then their Evo method, means you actually use them unevolved until you reach them, that said, they should probably had one-time stones lying around in Ice Path/Route 45/Dark Cave so you can evolve before the League if you explore.

>>58272448
Well that’s a cynical way of viewing things, I think this shows that gamefreak even back then had done stupid things, yet we still enjoyed them due to them being a good, so we should still cherish the games we consider good without viewing it through a critical eye.


…and that people don’t really care and will buypokemon games anyway.

>>58272480
and bw2

>>58272663
yeah, if you look up a password online

>>58272480
>It's always the best designed Johto mon which everyone wants to have on their team
no shit

honestly they were pretty autistic about evo stone availability for a while
guess they thought Celadon was a mistake or something

>>58272937
Maybe they were trying to force players to learn the hard way that keeping stone evos unevolved will let them learn more moves. In a generation where everything has a notoriously awful movepool unless you shove TMs in their face.

>>58272480
slug ma balls #gottem

>>58272880
The things that people go insane over (Fire/Water/Thunder/Leaf Stone evolutions in GS being limited to Mystery Gift before post-game, some Gen II Pokémon being tied to post-game in Gen II, Gen I>II evolutions (specifically Crobat because that's the only one people will realistically ever want to use) not being obtainable before the National Pokédex in FRLG, Fire-types in DP) don't bother me at all.

It's actually funny to think about the FRLG one.
>Nobody complains about not being able to get baby Pokémon since it requires an evolution in the first place, and hardly anyone goes out of the way to get Hitmontop
>Nobody complains about Blissey because nobody uses Chansey in a regular playthrough anyway since it's pretty rare, has low Defense, appears relatively late in the game, and is tied to heavy RNG
>Nobody complains about Espeon and Umbreon because there's no day and night anyway
>Nobody complains about Politoed, Slowking, Steelix, Scizor, Kingdra, or Porygon2 because they're trade evolutions with specific items and people rarely care about certain items being post-game

It's just Crobat because Zubat and Golbat are common, Crobat's popular, and friendship naturally accumulates. Just like how people endlessly complain about Houndour not being in Johto but don't really care about Slugma outside of being a Fire-type. Or how Mareep makes or breaks Crystal for people.

>>58272443
Bruh, you're complaining about a game that's over a quarter century old.

Mom bought me a moon stone

>>58272443
>gen 1 and 2
>uses gen 3 and 4
>Gen 4
>Where the issue is resolved via the Safari Zone

>>58272994
You can get one from her and one from Tohjo Falls. The only Moon Stone lines before the League are the Nidoran lines. You can get more post-game from wild Clefairy and on Monday nights at Mt. Moon. Sun Stones are also not limited.

You can only get the four other stones once from Bill's grandfather. You can hypothetically get more through Mystery Gift early on, but you need another player.

>>58272966
>Nobody complains about not being able to get baby Pokémon since it requires an evolution in the first place, and hardly anyone goes out of the way to get Hitmontop
There's a separate daycare specifically for breeding in the postgame, after you get the national dex.
>Nobody complains about Blissey because nobody uses Chansey in a regular playthrough anyway since it's pretty rare, has low Defense, appears relatively late in the game, and is tied to heavy RNG
I used Chansey in a normal run and the constant interruptions of "Oh wow, Chansey is evolving lmao jk get fucked" are obnoxious. Never mind the fact that the low defense is a very good reason to want to increase its bulk in the first place by evolving it into Blissey, making it even more annoying that you're constantly getting blueballed. Also also, the game expects you to catch as many Pokemon as possible in order to unlock the national dex and postgame to evolve these fuckers in the first place, so yes, using a Chansey is absolutely something that people may find themselves inclined to do. You can potentially catch it before your fourth gym badge. Hell you can catch it before your third if you skip Surge.
>Nobody complains about Espeon and Umbreon because there's no day and night anyway
Maybe that just belies two problems coexisting at the same time. Also no one complains about two extremely popular eeveelutions, I'm sure.
>Nobody complains about Politoed, Slowking, Steelix, Scizor, Kingdra, or Porygon2 because they're trade evolutions with specific items and people rarely care about certain items being post-game
Unless of course those items are related to getting a Pokemon you really want to use before post-game, which you say yourself people go "insane" over in the very first sentence of your post. This is a whole lot of words to say you're confused that people want to use the Pokemon they want to us and everyone should stop complaining even when the problems introduced are totally artificial.

>>58273129
My point wasn't that you couldn't do it at all, it was that the game was designed so that you could only access the daycare that can hold two Pokémon after you get the National Pokédex. But people aren't typically using baby Pokémon for anything other than filling the Pokédex or breeding IVs and egg moves, something that's done at the end of the game when you have access to everything.

You're an edge case when it comes to Blissey, because I never see anyone else mention it with the evolution sequence stopping. It's always Crobat.

Espeon and Umbreon are highly desired by many people, but like you said, it's a matter of one factor overriding another. It's frankly backwards that you need to trade Eevee to RSE post-game when both sender and receiver have unlocked the National Pokédex, raise its friendship all over again since trades reset it to base, check the clock in your room since nowhere else has a clock or visual indicator of time of day outside of Shoal Cave, level it up to evolve it, and then trade it back. People aren't even thinking about it being tied to post-game, they're thinking about the whole nonsense scenario in general.

I've never seen anyone complain about the absence of King's Rocks, Metal Coats, Dragon Scales, or Upgrades before post-game. These evolutions tend to require a trade to get, which is the first significant barrier. More ROM hacks are focused on making trade evolutions available without trading, like through level up evolutions, than they are on redistributing those items.

While you have a valid point about the National Pokédex requiring 60 Pokémon caught to access, that's not a huge ask even in a region with 150 Pokémon.

>>58272443
Can someone tell me what's the problem with this?

>>58273490
The game stops counting after the credits
Having some Pokémon only become available later in the game is bad game design because it just is
Having some Pokémon be hard to get is bad game design
You're not meant to interact with the game's mechanics and systems, why else would they be optional?
How am I supposed to pretend to be Ash Ketchum? He doesn't have to look for Pokémon, they just show up

>>58272887
>and bw2
Huh? Did you meant to say Platinum, because Houndour is not found anywhere in BW2?

>>58273581
I got confused, I was mixing up Growlithe and the fact that Houndour could be found in bw1 in a swarm or something, and misremembering conversations from the time period, pardon me

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>>58273209
60/150 is over a third of the dex

You also need to exclude the Starters you can't get
And the other Fossil you didn't get
And the Version Exclusives (which FRLG made more Pokemon version exclusive than RGB for whatever reason)
And Mewtwo because they locked THAT behind post-game too for some fucked up reason

6+2+13+1=22 Pokemon you outright cannot get without trading meaning the ratio for Pokemon necessary to get post-game access in Gen I is actually 128 available Pokemon. Meaning you need nearly half the available Pokedex on a single playthrough to access the post-game without trading. And if you can't trade, that also cuts Alakazam, Gengar, Machamp and Golem out of your options so 124 available options. On top of Masuda being too autistic to let you use Crobat or Blissey

>>58273693
I checked only Pokémon you can catch in FireRed, obtain as an in-game trade, or as a gift, and it acknowledges choice Pokémon like the other two starter lines, Eevee evolutions, version-exclusives, and Hitmonlee/Hitmonchan. There are no evolutions here unless they're found in the wild like Pidgeotto, which means no Pidgeot. It includes in-game trades (minus Electrode which requires Raichu), fishing encounters, Safari Zone exclusives, Porygon, and special encounters like Snorlax and legendaries minus anything only found in Cerulean Cave. No Muk or Kingler which can be obtained through the wild in LeafGreen but only evolution in FireRed.

My final number is 96/151. This means no evolving your starter. We could be even more lenient since you can buy certain stones infinitely in Celadon. If we apply that to easily catchable Pokémon like Pikachu, Poliwhirl, Gloom (or Weepinbell in LG), Exeggcute, Shellder (or Staryu in LG), Growlithe (or Vulpix in LG), that's seven more (if you count the Electrode trade) for 103/151. And if you don't mind using your Moon Stones since they appear infinitely on Clefairy, that's another four for 107/151.

Maybe you don't want to count the 1% Dragonair in the Safari Zone or Porygon with 9999 coins, but I'm sure there are at least 60 easy catches here.

>>58273864
Oops I forgot one Eevee evolution if we're counting quick stone evolutions, make that 104/151 or 108/151.

The 43 missing Pokémon that can only be obtained through level up, trades with another game, or choices
Choices
>Charmander/Charmeleon/Charizard
>Squirtle/Wartortle/Blastoise
>Hitmonchan (I chose Hitmonlee)
>Kabuto/Kabutops (I chose Omanyte)
>Vaporeon/Flareon (I chose Jolteon)
Trade evolution
>Alakazam
>Machamp
>Golem
>Gengar
LeafGreen exclusive
>Sandshrew/Sandslash
>Vulpix/Ninetales
>Bellsprout/Weepinbell/Victreebel
>Slowpoke/Slowbro
>Staryu/Starmie
>Magmar
>Pinsir
National Pokédex required
>Mewtwo
Level up only
>Ivysaur/Venusaur (I chose Bulbasaur)
>Butterfree
>Beedrill
>Pidgeot
>Kadabra (or National Pokédex)
>Dodrio
>Muk
>Hypno (or National Pokédex)
>Kingler
>Rhydon
>Omastar
>Dragonite
Event
>Mew