Crazy how Johto regarded as the unanimously critically acclaimed best Pokémon games.
That's West Kanto v2 thoughbeit
The amount of content, the amount of soul, the amount of heart put into these games have never been replicated. It is the magnum opus of Tajiri's original vision.
>>58279070BUT THE SHILLS SAID SWOOSHIE IS BETTER
>>58279079Only HGSS. GSC are a rushed mess, the entire game (especially the kanto part) feels empty and they completely failed the obviously intended open world approach (directed by masuda btw)
>>58279070Uh-oh! Pokemon Challenged and Mista Merikku won't like this!
>>58279091GSC at the time of their release was the uncontested best game for the GBC. Also the improvements it made from RB are immense. Nowadays we go 2 step back compared to 2 step forward. Did you know that Gold and Silver were backwards compatible as well? Gamefreak forgot how much soul they had back then.
>>58279095MISTA MERRIKU, WHY DEY STIRR TARKING ABOWT JOHTO REMAKES
>>58279070HGSS is so fucking peak.>Pokewalker>Safari Zone>Pokeathlon>Battle Frontier>Gamecorner (oras and BDSP removed it completely instead of giving an alternative)>2nd region>tons of eventsPEAK
>>58279101*scares off Masuda*
>>58279157>redoes the same thing and removes Battle FrontierSaSUGA MASUDA SAAAN
>>58279070Only discordtroons think other wise
i just wish there weren't so many trade Pokemons in this region
johGODdlers won
>>58279070GenToo exceptionalism
>>58279070>makes the most japanese region>best games of all time in the franchiseWhat did they mean by this?
>>58279400Because Game Freak is a Japanese company, Japan is the country that they can do the most justice with their region design, hence why the regions lost some spark after they left Japan in Gen 5.From what I can tell Kansai is one of the most "traditional" parts of Japan as well, which shows in Johto's design, and actually visiting there made me appreciate Johto a hell of a lot more. Little things like Stantler being found right outside Violet City, based on the real world city of Nara, known for its abundance of tame deer that co-exist with humans, or the Miltank farm north of the Kobe-based Olivine City, because of Kobe beef. You don't get details like this in later games, you get a desert directly south of Manhattan.Nothing against Unova, it's a perfectly fine region and it has some pretty good games, but a lot of the real-world basis in the region design is lost, and it's the first gen to exemplify that.Of course, take all this from an American who's been to Japan only once, but this is my perspective.
>>58279079Yeah, BW2 really was the peak of the franchise.
This kills the johtimmy
>>58279529this
This kills the johtimmy.
>>58279535>>58279543Seems like Johto's superiority is having the 41% rattled up.
>>58279157>mess with old fans' good memories by fucking up the pacing with new unnecessary unskippable story events and fucking up goldenrod's theme>redoes the same thing by keeping all the same flaws without fixing the level curve and pokemon availabilityWhat a fucking retard.
>>58279119>>Battle FrontierIt's appropriated from Platinum because Platinum was just that good.
>>58279573Same like how ORAS appropriated BF from XY because it was simply that shit.
>>58279070GOATo’s shadow casts itself over the entire franchise. HGSS is the only game in the series that managed to seamlessly merge the old with the new; it’s basically a celebration of Pokemon itself.
>>58279159? but he didn't, RS didn't have it, he did the exact same thing hgss did, copypaste facility from previous game
>>58279565>WAAA MUH LEVEL CURVE THAT MY FAVORITE POKETUBER TOTALLY DIDN'T TELL ME ABOUTCould've discarded your entire argument right there, but I'm gonna humor you instead.>NOOOO THE GAME IS FORCING ME TO TALK TO EUSINE FOR 1 MINUTE AND SEE SUICUNE HOP AROUND FOR 5 SECONDS AAAAAHHHHAww, poor Timmy.>>fucking up goldenrod's themeThe fuck does that even mean? "Goldenrod's theme", as in music? I'm afraid that's not an argument for the game's objective quality, retard-kun.>>pokemon availabilityPartially fair argument. Johto still lacks Sneasel, Houndour or Slugma but it now has Misdreavus, Murkrow and Larvitar, and Qwilfish isn't locked behind swarms anymore, for example. It wasn't completely fixed, but it was improved, that much is undeniable.
>>58279625Oh and actually, you can get Slugma from an egg as early as Violet City
>>58279625>johtoddler calling someone timmyAww that's cute, Johtimmy really got to you.
>>58279565>fucking up goldenrod's themeWhy do people say this? HGSS's Goldenrod City theme is great.
>>58279535>>58279543explain in detail what the "issue" with this is
>>58279535Cyrus knew Cynthia would try to stop him so he uses Weavile as his ace to counter her Garchomp. Pure kino.
>>58279718>Errmmm what's the issue with being able to fodderize the entire and making every trainer out as fraud with poor team composition???Johsissies...
>>58279157same company that ended up producing bdsp
>>58279743If you're playing Pokemon for the difficulty you're a complete and utter retardPlatinum is piss easy too dude, you just don't want to admit it because it nullifies your point
>>58279741Sinnoh and Unova did this subtle characterization quite a few times and it was always kino, like the irony of Barry acquiring a Snorlax or Ghetsis' whole team designed to counter N's because he was inevitably going to usurp him.
>>58279750You're right, so imagine how embarrassing it is when Johto is a level below even that.
>>58279750there is definitely a separation. try going through platinum without grinding and roark will fuck you up. manipped speedruns still have to grind a bit because he's that hard. meanwhile you can do a full run of hgss without much trouble.
>>58279755The Galactic double battle with Barry was peak in terms of difficulty and storytelling. It's clear he was training up his Munchlax and it made you think on your toes.Ghetsis's Hydreigon being underleveled and using max damage Frustration was pure ludo. It clearly hates him and he's taking his frustration out on you.
>>58279750Anyone who says this stopped playing the games at gen 2. The other campaignshitters who kept playing seethed about how the Battle Frontier cheats in their 2007 phpBB forum (pedo ring).
Reasons HGSS kicks ass:>simple shit literally anyone can see, the absurd amount of quality content, going the extra length for small details like pokemon following you, complete restoration of Kanto in comparison to the originals, further expansion of Johto, Platinum's Battle Frontier added to Johto because it's fucking awesome, an ever-growing list of Pokemon to catch even as you progress through postgame, and so onReasons HGSS le fucking sucks actually:>parroted poketuber opinions>the player's own goldfish attention span making them mad when they have to interact with the game in any way beyond progressing the story>oddly specific targeted complaints, like "houndour is locked to postgame" or "i dont like goldenrod city's updated theme" >issues with gsc that hgss fixed>complaining about a game for children being too easy>strengths presented as weaknessesReally makes you think.
>>58279750You can find Platinum easy because Pokemon games are easy. The Johto games are easy because they also have poorly designed team composition.
>>58279797>battle frontierYou're not gonna believe this anon, that same battle frontier? It's in HGSS.The actual campaign? Piss easy in every single Pokemon game.
Reasons HGSS was le good:>vibes>nothing about the gameplayReasons HGSS fucking sucks:>plays like shit
>>58279813It plays great. I have more fun playing it than any other Pokemon game.
>>58279810The same Battle Frontier I played through in Platinum already? Get your own content faggot
>>58279821HGSS has plenty of that. Probably more than any other Pokemon game, in fact.
>>58279825Following Pokemon and gay flash games are not content.
>>58279830>THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE I SAID IT DOESN'T And even then, that's still an incredibly small percentage of HGSS's content.
>>58279821Johto really is the parasite region. It copied Kanto's entire region and Sinnoh's postgame then claimed it as its own.
>>58279565This. Everyone bitches about FRLG's pitch changes of RBY's music when HGSS's arrangements are even more atrocious. They should have just remixed the soundtrack in the new soundfont like FRLG did but no, they just had to change the structure and mood of the music and add unnecessary segues to them.The babyfied Route 29 theme is symbolic of everything wrong with HGSS and Gen 4 Johtoddlers.
>>58279839Yes like how the shitty level curve, shitty Safari Zone that fixed nothing, and gen 4 slowness "weren't problems"
>>58279841>they should've took the lazy route instead of reimagining the soundtrack entirely
>>58279845Yes they should because their reimagining fucking sucks
>>58279840What did Johto have for itself? Pokeathlon? Voltorb RNG Shit? The dumb Shiny Leaf bullshit?
>>58279079>The amount of contentJohto is like 30% the size of a normal region
>>58279843>shitty level curveConsidering I never even noticed it while playing, and even now that I've heard people's complaints about it, I STILL never notice it while playing, yeah I'd say that's a nonissue. At it's worst, the game is easy. At it's best, the game is still easy. Just like every other Pokemon game.>shitty Safari Zone that fixed nothingIt literally did though, a lot of Pokemon that were previously postgame only no longer are, and that was one of the biggest gripes people had with GSC. Also, it's super fun. The first time I played through this game, I spent more time in the Safari Zone than actually progressing the main story up until Kanto. There wasn't even any Pokémon I was after, I just enjoyed swapping around the areas and seeing what I new mons I could find. I remember finding Pokemon I thought were exclusive to SoulSilver in HeartGold and being like WHOOOAAAI still love it to this day, it's great>and gen 4 slownessGreatly exaggerated complaint, it's really not that much slower than what came before it. Also, the slow HP bars are kino and add tension.So yeah, none of those things are problems.>>58279850You're allowed to have dogshit taste. HGSS has the best soundtrack in the series.>>58279852>What did Johto have for itself? Sovl? More sovl? Even more absolute sovl?>>58279861It's like the same size as Kanto lol
>>58279875You have brain damage if you didn't notice any of this. You didn't "enjoy" swapping the areas around either if you had to wait 3 in-game hours.>tensionOh, you're just a troll.
>>58279875>oh my god, will this Psychic from my Alakazam really OHKO this Toxicroak?! I'm at the edge of my seat!!Come on I love HGSS too but shut the fuck up with this "it adds tension" shit, man. The game and Gen 4 as a whole had no business, no excuse to be as slow as it was
>>58279875Everything good about the HGSS soundtrack is good because of the original GSC compositions they're working off of, not because of their shitty arrangements. The FRLG arrangements of GSC music are objectively superior to their counterpart in HGSS for not infantilizing them to appeal to literal toddlers like you.
>johto team>either the starter + ampharos or quagsire or just the starter>sinnoh meme team>a full team of 6 sinnohmons but johturds shit on it for no reason
>>58279899Johto should really thank Sinnoh for making their terrible dex not irredeemable garbage.
Average ABJ posts:>Heh, what did Johto have going for it lol the Pokeathlon??? And following Pokemon? The frontier? 2 Regions and Leader rematches? A custom safari zone? Overrated, Pokemon Musical is far superior>Well HGSS /would/ have been good games if they didn’t remove all the soul of the originals by replacing a singular grass tile on Route 39 with an item ball>The level curve basically makes the games unplayable, oh but did I mention they’re also too easy?
>>58279888All 3 of those hours? Passed in the safari zone. You underestimate how much fun I was having.>>58279892Well, it adds tension when it really IS uncertain. I can admit that in cases where it's very obvious what will happen it can be excessive. Still, I don't mind it, although that may be because I'm used to it.>>58279897>classical music is for infants!kek>>58279899I love Sinnoh. I love Hoenn and Unova too. But I love Johto more. And my team is different every time I play through it, because I interact with the game to find cool team members.
>>58279899Nah. Red Gyarados for me.
>>58279932Red Gyarados is cool and all but I've used Gyarados in general so many times across different games that I kinda moved on from using it. Nowadays I try to use something else whenever I can, like Octillery or Mantine. I actually haven't used most of Johto's grass types, because I almost always start with Chikorita
>>58279919>hgss music is classical musicbraindead take. go to twitter if you want to ragebait faggot
>>58279919>implying infantilized arrangements are classical musicJohtoddlers are never beating the allegations
>>58279919>All 3 of those hours? Passed in the safari zone.How? There is nothing interesting to do there. I guess all those hours I spent doing battle tents, contests and movies before beating the game don't count either.
>>58279875>HGSS has the best soundtrack in the series.Nah, the Unova and especially the Sinnoh games are much better
>>58279964they don't. because johtimmies think all battling is easy and for babies. as if prancing around in the grass and mashing A on pokeballs was somehow less infantilizing.
The sinnoh tranny is on overdrive with his turd game having no more than 3 lines of fire Pokemon.
>>58279976It's fucking Pokemon you retarded nonce, the campaign is always fucking easy if you have basic understanding of type match ups.
>>58279950>>58279953The ones you complain about as being "infantilized" are very much stylized after classical music, yes. If you want the cold hard truth, Pokemon music has been heavily influenced by classical music from the start. https://youtu.be/llA1xOFRYj0?si=3hsmgcmYZGWtpSOUSongs you associate with being "infantile?" Mostly classical stuff, like Brahm's Lullaby for example.>>58279964When did I say they don't count? I love Hoenn.>How?Lotta Pokémon to find.>>58279976Most of us would agree the Battle Frontier is serious shit.
>>58279982>slateport battle tent>can't used your overleveled starter>pick 3 mons for "type diversity">lose b/c the opponent knows how to set up and sweeps youcampaignshitters everyone
Johto is a waste of time.
>>58279875>Also, the slow HP bars are kino and add tension.this is the epitome of the johtofag, coping that an objectively bad thing is actually le good and not an issue because uhh muh vibes
>>58279994brahm's lullaby is not a pokemon song retardyou don't see mother or touhou nerds go "oh yeah our music is classical!" when there's a song influenced by beethoven in their ostgo back to twitter
>>58280009>he's never had a group of friends watch the hp bar go down in anticipation with him, roaring in excitement as it hits zerongmi
>>58280016MOTHER music literally is classical music thoughhttps://youtu.be/6YKeD6PKNVM?si=WDRCsQoK_u7zdkhE
>>58280000Quads of truth. The Factory is known for outing shitters. Imagine losing to purely random AI and not getting the silver symbol/print.
>>58280033So is Gen 3 but notice how Gen 3 music doesn't sound like the baby shit HGSS is
>>58280033And yet they don't say it's classical. Even the YT comments say it's a cover. Now get your brown ass back to Twitter
>>58280000>>lose b/c the opponent knows how to set up and sweeps yousounds like skill issue you shitter
>>58279070Everything in Jotho flopped hard despite leeching from pokemania
>>58280049Being known as the best games in the franchise must be a nice way of flopping thoughbeit.
>>58280052Didn't happen when they were responsible for the flop
>>58280054Yeah, just scores number one with critics and is the highest rated amongst users.Hmmm, yeah what a flop.
>>58280042I don't think HGSS music sounds like "baby shit." https://youtu.be/5quTVDGb1_0?si=WSegmiG8zno2Jk64https://youtu.be/MCPgZ0NYurc?si=OMJL5TMw-iJ9HLWRhttps://youtu.be/2e3TyzBkItk?si=v7qBoQ5R_uFdzC4B>b-b-but route 29Literally every first route theme has the same childish vibe. From the very fucking start, we got an arrangement of Polly Wolly Doodle as Route 1's theme. Route 29, 101, 201, unova route 1, so on and so forth. First route themes have always sounded like this, it's a running theme.
>>58280057you are arguing with a mentally ill retard, don't waste your time on that thing.
>>58280052Yes, GSC are the best games in the franchise, not HGSS
>>58280055Didn't XY score the highest in that one boomer website you faggots fellated over?
>>58280044...Neither did I. My exact words were "very much stylized after classical music"
>>58280068They don't say that either. You're trying way too hard here.
what the fuck is this "hgss music sounds like baby shit" nonsense, even? you're all fucking retarded, both the ones saying that and the one defending hgss with schizo arguments like trying to pass off the gen 4 slowness as something positive and intended
>>58280064not in terms of user score
>>58280063>unfinished Kanto>bestCope boomertranny
>>58280075I think I'll trust a few boomer critics over some user botted rankings. XY are truly the best games.
>>58280074I like the slow HP bar. I understand not liking it, but I do. And I never said it was intended, only that I like it and that it often makes battles more tense.
>>58280057GS Goldenrod is a straightforward arrangement of Canon in DHGSS Goldenrod doesn't sound like baby shit though, just pure shit
>>58280085>swing tempo...le bad!kek ok
>>58280077>judging johto games based on state of kantoOnly the Johto games have such retarded defenders
Johto is nostalgia bait. You get 2 mid tier regions in one package. For being the first two they aren't bad, but by far aren't the best. Gen 3 easily beats Gen 2 by the selection of pokemon, region, and story. I wouldn't even said Gen 2 really had a story. Gen 4 is around the same level as Gen 2. I think the region bumps it up a few points. Gen 5 blows everything I've mentioned out of the water, both BW and B2W2 are phenomenal games in terms of story, region and gameplay. Gen 6 and onward can be debated, I personally would rank gen 6 higher because that's when I started playing pokemon games. Gen 7's island theming is way more creative than Kanto DLC. Gen 8 and 9 are up for debate. I enjoyed them, but they are objectively pretty bad games. So I feel like Gen 2 would rank around 6 or 7th place on a ranking. Weak pokedex, weak region and weak gameplay wise. Most people are biased towards it for nostalgia.
>>58280105>I personally would rank gen 6 higher because that's when I started playing pokemonKEK
>>58280087>canon in d>goldenrod>swing???????
>>58280113>implying this isn't swinghttps://youtu.be/FuT6PpFdZ48?si=9xDZ8D17yz94wmb8
>>58280114oh this is bad
>>58280115>>58280087
>>58280114The intro is the most important part of the song when you hear it the most in the game. At least GSC starts it off with the main theme. This goes nowhere for too long.And yes, swing is bad.
>>58280125>7 seconds is too longHGSS detractors never beating the goldfish attention span allegations
>>58280120wasn't saying otherwise
>>58280132When you're running through the city like a normal person? Yes.
>>58280133>>58280125oh so i guess this sucks dick too thenhttps://youtu.be/zCvccmNwFV8?si=B_9jGPcNpXABuh1U
>>58280112 Retard thinks I'm calling it the best region. I like the region so on a personal ranking I would rank it higher. But objectively, X and Y were low effort, poor quality games
>>58280064RPGamer has XY as the top rated Pokemon game with a 4/5 score. Everything else is below that.
>>58280139>first 3 notes are iconicnope
>>58280137The first time you make it to Goldenrod, you will not be running straight through the city, which also applies after the radio tower.Past that point, you don't need to visit Goldenrod city again until you ride the Magnet Train, where you will also be there for some time.By the time you will "running through" Goldenrod, you will have unlocked the GB Sounds.
>>58280139mogged by the ORAS version btw
>>58280153...which is still in swing tempo
>>58280149>get to goldenrod>go straight to the bike shop>use bike>never hear goldenslop again
>>58280161That's also an option if you really hate the song that much. I just don't get the hate, it's a great arrangement.
>sinnohfetuses and unovabortions calling anyone else a toddler
>gens 1, 3, 4, 5 bros finally calling out gen 2 niggers on their BSMy colon cancer is cured
>>58280522Nobody hates Gen 2 more than Gen 2 fans, though?
>>58280522almost like they're all insecure about its objective superiority
>>58279157>same philosophy as modern reboots and netflix adaptations
>>58280583What? No, modern reboots completely discard this philosophy and either go all in on "change it until it's unrecognizable" or "make it exactly the same"
man this thread really mindbroke all the GOATo detractors
>>58280737Indeed.
>>58280763>he doesn't know how rhymes work
>>58280737Its just one rent free faggot samefagging. I have no clue why he is so mindbroken about Johto.
>>58280522I am a gen 3 chad. I have nothing against Johtogods. I still think Unova is dogshit
>>58281108you are in your mid-30s
>>58280763GOAT
>>58281145No, I am 27 and you are under 18
>>58280105You are a very funny guy
>>58281108pretty based, im a johtochad and hoenn is my second favorite regioni liked the unova games but to each their own
>>58279070ESLs consistently make the worst threads
Johto just has this magic to it that I can’t describe, it’s like you feel every heartbeat of the world. The cities feel lived-in, it’s the closest Pokemon has ever come to making you feel the larger world that’s implied, the life that all the characters have outside of Pokemon. It’s not so far-fetched to envision things like Ethan biking to Goldenrod under the neon lights and meeting Dad for dinner at a street stall after he’s just finished a hellish shift. You can picture all the gym leaders interacting with each other, Whitney and Jasmine having a sismance, Morty and Falkner just chilling and shooting the shit. You get a sense of rivalry between Johto and its big brother Kanto, and what it means for a kid from the sticks to take down the Indigo League. There’s just something about Johto lads idk how to fucking explain it and I really hope that some miracle happens and GF is respectful the next time they touch it again unlike what they did to Kanto and Sinnoh. Thanks for reading my blog, have a great night anons
>>58281108chads don't call themselves chads
>>58281852you can actually see this in sv
>>58282310SV’s focus on exploration and character interactions were really good and so good that they offset a lot of the game’s issues. Still, it sucks to see the overworld so gutted to the point where you can’t enter houses in the cities you travel to. Like SV with a fleshed out world and unique, exciting cities would have been top tier game. GF doesn’t really have the ingenuity to make something like that with the schedule they’re on though.
>>58280105>I personally would rank gen 6 higher because that's when I started playing pokemon gamesThis nigger is literally underage.
>>58280105>Gen 7's island theming is way more creative than Kanto DLC>can't even surf between the islandsliterally the gayest, blandest, and most boring fucking shit region ever
>>58282995Yum!
>>58282999Gen 7 was DoA when you couldn't surf around Alola. Another one of Game Freak's cleverly-disguised straight line regions.
>>58282995>>58280112These are the faggots hating on Johto, literal gen6 diaperbabies.
>>58283687Hey faggot, maybe read my reply. I only dick suck gen 6 because that's when I started. It has flaws but at least it isn't a fuckass DLC to another fuckass region that's a literal square. Even if I am a "diaperbaby" I seem to have more common sense than a faggor like you.
>>58283790>faggor
>>58283790>I only dick suck gen 6 because that's when I startedwe already know you underage kid, no need to point that shit out twice
>>58283790I started with Emerald, which is my second favorite Pokemon game, and HGSS is objectively as close to perfect as Pokemon has ever gotten, so it's my favorite
>>58283791>faggabor
>>58283825Your bro sucks shit
clearly the pro-slop smear campaign hasn't stoppedyou'll see this to varying degrees with every game, roughly inversely proportional to the quality of the game (in relation to the money the devs spent on it)
