I don't get the hype. It seems forced.
It's a fun game. Wish the storage system didn't suck ass though, both the bag and the box are vastly inferior to the Sinnoh games' systems.
>>58285604FRLG and HGSS were the only good Pokemon games on GBA and DS
>>58285604Muh follow pokemon
I don't get the hype about not getting gen 2's hype. It seems forced.
The last time the remakes stood up to the originals
>>58285604>Gen 2 is already one of the most highly rated gens due to its vast improvements over Gen 1>Gen 3 remake of Gen 1 are rather lackluster when compared to the regular Gen 3 games>DPP are mediocre games with good systems>Gen 5 is mediocre games>Gen 6 onward are just plain trash>Why do people like the two games combine Gen 2's greatness with Gen 4's core improvementsThe real crime is that the Gen 3 remakes fucking sucked.
>>58285623*the only bad games
>>58285604I’m 31. I’ll never forget the day my dad came home with Pokemon Gold and a green game boy color. I was still relatively young when HGSS came out but it filled me with nostalgia. It wasn’t perfect but I loved it and cherished it.
>>58285672Awful taste.
in my mind this is pokemon
>>58285604Had a great time. From the debates, to the hidden files in DPPt, to the theories, to the official reveal on Pokemon Sunday. The Corocoro leaks up to the official Japanese release that I bought on Play Asia. This was back when Japan got the earlier releases. Didn't care about the language barrier and bought the Japanese copy anyway because, well, I couldn't wait. And games weren't region locked either so I went for it. Then at some point I got the English versions of HGSS and so I technically bought and played the game 3 times over lol.
>>58285800>only 3 times overrookie numbers, you should play hgss more
>>58285604It's overrated by zoomers who pretend to be oldfags. It's worse than Crystal in many ways.
>>58285990It's also better than crystal in many ways.Both games can be fun while also having flaws. That's okay.
>>58285990You're projecting hard, brother.
>>58285618>It's a fun gameonly if you're bad at it
>>58286036It's really not, HGSS removes a bunch of Crystal content like being able to decorate your room with a bunch of cool shit, Crystal's dex improvements for Johtomons like early Teddiursa and Phanpy, the weekly rooftop sales in Goldenrod, the Wise Trio battle, the Game Corner, the Odd Egg, the PCC, the Celebi event, etc.
>>58286063No, that's XY, which is only fun on Nuzlockes because of the schizophrenic teams you get and nothing else is fun about it specifically. HGSS is fun on it's own merits, unfortunately it's own merits aren't the usual JRPG fare some Pokemon games go for and instead is more similar to something like Animal Crossing where you come back every once in a while to see what's new, or with more weirdo side content like Pokeathelon. Even then if you do want battle content the Gym Leader rematches and Red are solid, and the battle facilities are some of the stronger in the series even if I prefer the greater variety of the Gen 3 BF or whatever the hell is going on in B2W2. At least HGSS doesn't have the Battle Palace dragging it down.
>>58286099To this day this is the only common criticism of HGSS I genuinely agree with to some extentI dont miss the Odd Egg or rooftop sales or anything of the sort but decorating your room and getting Phanpy at the start of the game would've been awesome in HGSSBuuuut HGSS also has its own share of fucking awesome original content like the pokeathlon, restored kanto, followmons, the pokewalker, and the suchHell, they went out of their way to recreate every single song from GSC in midi format so that they could run on a DS, AND rearrange all the new tracks in the same style, just for a neat little item that lets you play the classic tunes if you want. That's still the coolest shit to meBut yes, a lot of the cool Crystal features not returning is a genuine flaw with HGSS, although I still consider it to be the best Pokemon game by far (well, it would be by far if Emerald didn't exist, but the powergap from Emerald to my third favorite (Platinum) is pretty huge)
Is contrarianism a fetish?
>>58286101>HGSS is fun on it's own meritsonly if you're bad at itthe fact that you think clicking fire move against Bugsy 6 times is engaging content proves my point
>>58286099Ursaring and Donphan are workable on capture in HGSS. If you wanted their first forms then just play the game lmao>but it's too late in the game!It's before the 8th badge.>but it's too much to grind their levels!You can catch their stronger forms if you keep playing the game.>but I hate random encounters!okay zoomie
>>58286099>decorate your roomNot even Crystal exclusive, GS had that too, but yeah it's kinda shitty that they didn't just port over some Secret Base assets>Crystal's dex improvements for Johtomons like early Teddiursa and PhanpyUnfortunate for those Pokemon specifically and I wish we had them, but the Pokewalker and Safari Zone are a bit more interesting and dynamic>rooftop salesI kind of prefer your mom not being completely fucking worthless after a certain point but that's really up to taste if we're being honest>Wise TrioIt's a real shame they simply didn't include it, it seems trivial to add. Like, the Multi battle they added with Silver against Clair and Lance seemed like it took way more effort, and would give Silver some character development if he wasn't incredibly shallow to start with.>the Game CornerPlay the Japanese version, thank me later and be sure to hate the EU gambling laws that let actual children actually gamble with real money but block this shit.>the Odd EggNot quite the same thing but Primo has some interesting extra Pokemon available>the PCCMost of the relevant content is in the GTS or the Battle Tower's WiFi mode>the Celebi eventThere's an event with a certain Celebi that I think adds a little more to the game overall but I do kinda miss event Pokemon being catchable in gameThis is on top of a bunch of other little and big things HGSS adds. Again, some of it is up to taste, but I think HGSS's improvements beat out Crystal overall. Hell, Crystal has a few downsides compared to GS when it comes to the Pokemon pool, so none of the games are perfect.
>>58286140Every Pokemon campaign is like this though, that's just how it is
>>58286159>Play the Japanese version, thank me later and be sure to hate the EU gambling laws that let actual children actually gamble with real money but block this shit.Voltorb Flip is unironically more fun, so I can't complain.
>>58286173other pokemon games have better wild pokemon variety, aren’t using gen 4’s dogshit engine, don’t have random encounters, have open world exploration, aren’t bogged down with HMs, and don’t make it retardedly tedious to breed and train battle ready Pokemon.
>>58286140What Pokemon campaign isn't exactly that? The Alola titles? Those aren't fun because of the miserable unskippable cutscenes. You have to look at other things the game excels at, like the map design when it comes to RS, the more well rounded experience of BW, the online of the Gen 6 titles, the breezyness of Gen 1 when skipping most of the optional trainer battles, or indeed Gen 2/HGSS's more living world. You don't play Chrono Trigger for the difficulty, you play it for the pacing. You don't play Kirby for the difficulty either and God I wish Pokemon was more like Kirby and the later day DS titles are about as close as you get in this franchise (shame about the Sinnoh games).>>58286179As a guy who likes Sudoku and Picross my main complaint is sometimes you can't intuit the answer. However if that pisses off somebody a lot or they prefer playing actual casino games I can't really blame them for being upset. I'm the kind of guy who hates Bravely Default 2 for incredibly minor differences from the first game and Bravely Second, I get not wanting change.
>>58286189>have open world explorationHGSS is markedly worse because it has non-linear elements. Notably it's also the worst parts of Gen 1 and to a lesser extent the Hoenn titles. Non-linearity and RPG elements mix really poorly a lot of the time, the best you can hope for is fun jank like Morrowind or Gen 1 Pokemon where you actively avoid intended gameplay and go for wack shit that wasn't programmed right.It also seems like you're nearly describing SS which is the least fun Pokemon game by basically every metric, and SV which has a lot of problems and is really poorly indicative of what Pokemon games are.
>>58285604Johto fun. Simple as.
>>58286189>better wild pokemon varietyI'd argue Johto as a whole has some of the best Pokemon variety around, you just have to look a bit harder. I have a different team every time I play through the game, I still haven't used every Pokemon available and I've played through HGSS tens of times.>aren’t using gen 4’s dogshit engineNever minded this, people love to exaggerate how slow it really is.>don’t have random encountersAll the Pokemon games that don't have random encounters fucking suck though.>have open world explorationSee the previous point.>aren’t bogged down with HMsSee the previous two points.>and don’t make it retardedly tedious to breed and train battle ready Pokemon.This might be a foreign concept to someone your age, but back in my day we had something called an "attention span"
>>58286203>HGSS is markedly worse because it has non-linear elementsThis. I hate having gameplay in my video games.
>>58286211Me too. I can't stand having to do things in a video game.
>>58286211All the non-liner shit in rby and gsc just makes the game boring as shit because everyone has to be at the same level, it's a fucking jrpg this shit doesn't work unless they scale with your level, which game freak of all companies are both too incompetent and lazy to implement.
>>58285604 >feel like playing HGSS>boot it up>remember it has random encounters>remember it has HMs>remember it has TMs that only work once and can’t be repeatedly obtained>remember the maps have no gameplay except walking and clicking A in front pf rocks>remember the slow bag UI>remember the slow saving>remember the slow battle UI>remember the game incessantly spams level 15 Rattata/Pidgey random encounters from the first route all the way until the level 80 end boss>remember the game forces you to wait hours for the safari zone>remember the evolution stones are locked behind shitty minigames and a store that makes you wait hours the one you want to purchase>remember the other evolution items are behind grinding BP for hours at the battle frontier >remember any good TM is locked until Kanto unless you grind voltorb shit for hours because they removed the ability to purchase coins>remember the game forces you to wait hours for the national park>remember it has no trainer customization>remember it has no ranked online>remember the breeding is shit>remember the EV training is shit>remember there's no ability capsules, patches, mints, or bottle caps>remember it uses lazy static sprites instead of pokemon that are actually animated>remember it has no party exp share>remember it has no box PC>remember all the railroading>remember the difficulty is even shittier than the newer games>go back to playing SV
>>58286226>All the non-liner shit in rby and gsc just makes the game boring as shit because everyone has to be at the same levelyou have it literally backwards but ok
>>58285990This.
>>58286211>Pointless tedium >Gameplay
>>58286239can you call it tedium if it's fun
>>58286189>other pokemon games have better wild pokemon varietyIt's not amazing or anything but it's at least Gen 1 levels of solid if a little samey sometimes. It's not early game Hoenn or your average BW Unova route level of amazing, and it's certainly not the rapidly becoming a slurry of B2W2 onwards.>>58286210>Never minded this, people love to exaggerate how slow it really is.It kinda sucks because both HGSS and Gen 2 have a similar HP drain bug where it's unnecessarily slow, it's like RSE and ORAS having ass overworld art styles it's just a tremendous missed opportunity.>>58286211I know right? Imagine if it were more linear in progression and the challenges could actually be designed in a way that scales with your likely level instead of just being about the same level because you could do them in any order. To be fair the final version of GS was deigned in less than a year, so things like that and actual stats and movesets for new Pokemon didn't really have time to be tested. Still came out as one of the better Pokemon games, and is way better than XY which didn't seem to have any trouble during development but still cut everything that could have been fun and was painfully easy in every regard including post-game. On the other hand, maybe not wanting to be Dragon Quest 2 was a missed opportunity, in SM they designed the island trials during the debugging phase and they were actually fun. The oversight with Whitney actually having a good Pokemon that could snowball proved that much.>>58286241Some people like Cookie Clicker, so I guess one man's tedium is another man's fun. I'll keep playing Final Fantasy 5, you can keep playing Elder Scrolls 5 and we'll call it a wash.
>>58286242>It kinda sucks because both HGSS and Gen 2 have a similar HP drain bug where it's unnecessarily slowI always found this tense and excitingAlso, for the record, I love FF5, it's my favorite Final Fantasy title, and I like Skyrim but don't love it
>>58286250>I always found this tense and excitingIt's a little too slow for that, I do think Gen 5's HP bar is an over correction because I don't think they realized there even was a bug in the first place. Gen 1 or 3 is more my taste as far as speed goes.
>>58286260That's understandable, different strokes for different folks and all.Really cool to have a civil discussion about preferences in Pokemon games for once by the way. Keep doing what you do.
>>58286210>I'd argue Johto as a whole has some of the best Pokemon varietyexcept it doesn't>Never minded thisyes we know you have low standards, no one cares>All the Pokemon games that don't have random encounters fucking suck thoughevidently not>See the previous point.see the previous point>See the previous two points.see the previous points>This might be a foreign concept to someone your age, but back in my day we had something called an "attention span"this might be a foreign concept to someone your age, but back in my day we had something called "standards"
>>58286239>making choices? that's too tedious for me>please just give me the hallway with no gameplay except mashing A
the truth is that both GSC and HGSS are actually pretty bad and unfun to play... The vanilla games though, it's easy to just download a romhack that fixes the level curve or pokemon distribution and it magically becomes the best one.You just can't do that with modern Pokemon titles because they are rotten to the core.
>>58286286>NUH UH>you have no standards, why yes i like swshit and scatvomit thanks for noticing>NUH UH>NUH UH>NUH UH>you have no standards, why yes i like swshit and scatvomit thanks for noticing
>>58286293>YUH HUH>I have standards, which is why I like games even worse than swshit and scatvomit>YUH HUH>YUH HUH>YUH HUH>I have standards, which is why I like games even worse than swshit and scatvomit
>>58286295>parrotingI accept your concession
>>58286293>make low effort non-argument>screech when a low effort non-argument is thrown back at you
>>58286297Thank you for conceding.
>>58286300>NO Ukek
>makes poketubers seethe>makes adhd zoomzooms seethe>makes shills seethe>makes hoennbabies seethe>makes unovabortions seethe>all by simply being better than the restGOD it feels good to be a Johtochad
>>58286314I don't think I've seen a Unova fan seethe about HGSS before. I also haven't seen a Hoenn fan seethe about it since ORAS released which given how badly ORAS butchered Hoenn I'm not surprised they've got bigger things to complain about. At best it's Yawnfag attempting to praise Emerald's BF without really understanding what's good about that iteration and instead just blindly shitting on the DS titles for no reason.
>>58286324You may need to lurk more I'm afraid
>>58286314Based and Johto-pilled
>>58285604The best content HGSS had was the Frontier, which Platinum already had and gave a much more accessible Garchomp. I have no reason to replay this.
>>58286314>makes johtimmies seethe when its called shit for a myriad of reasons based
>>58286331The best content HGSS had was all of it
>>58286333You're free not to like it. You're the one missing out on the best Pokemon game. I see no reason for me to be upset.
>>58286140You piece of hypocrite, you say this about HGSS then seethe whenever someone calls XY garbage with similar reasons.
>>58286361I don’t think there’s ever been a single time I argued that XY is good because of the singleplayer campaign. Only DSfags are retarded enough to do that.
>>58286363>I don't think XY's campaign is good>which is why I seethe when someone says XY is bad
>>58286314I get a lot of use out of this image.
>>58286366>[FANFIC]
>HGSS is easy trash>Yawnnigger: So true!!!!>XY is easy trash>Yawnniggers: Ummm wow sweetie let's unpack those standards, you know BW is easy....
>>58286376Even in your fanfic greentext he doesn’t deny XY is easy, so where’s the issue?
>>58286376Don't forget>HGSS is too easy but also the level curve makes it unplayable because I have to grind in order to win
>>58286380no one except retards who are terrible at pokemon think you need to grind in HGSS
>>58286378The issue is his standards are inconsistent.
>>58286381>no one except retardssee, now you get it!
>>58286336No those games had so much fluff to hide how they put in minimal effort to improve the shit battles. The next time I replay Johto, it'll be SGSS v2 (if it ever fucking comes out).
>>58286384>thinks HGSS is easy>thinks XY is easy>thinks BW is easynot seeing the inconsistency there chief
>>58286391>somehow twisting having a shitload of content into a point against the game
>>58286393He uses the "all games are easy" cope to defend only XY while attacking the others, if his standards were consistent he wouldn't genwar at all.
>>58286396Because XY is good for reasons other than its difficultyMeanwhile if you’re not retarded enough to think the DS games are difficult they completely fall apart and there’s effectively no reason to play them
>>58286397There's effectively no reason to play XY either. Your standards are inconsistent once again.
>>58286405>There's effectively no reason to play XY either>>58286189
>>58286412I'm glad you agree XY is completely inferior to SV and there's no reason to touch that garbage. Unless your standards are inconsistent that is.
>>58286412xy has random encounters and hms retard
>>58286415How do I play Triple Battles in SV?
>>58285604The only thing forced here is the hate.
>>58286420How do I play Pokeathlon in XY?Well look at that, there is a reason to play HGSS!
>>58286420How do I play the Pokeathlon in XY->>58286423Beat me to it
>yawnfag wants me to believe he picks up xy purely for triple battlesThis is sad man.
>>58286423>how do I play this irrelevant minigame that has nothing to do with the point of the series?damn HGSS is even more dire than I thoughtalso XY has super training which is effectively the same thing as pokeathlon so your point doesn’t even work anyway lmfao
>>58286429>DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE I SAID SO AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THIS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGlet me guess, you think the battle maison is the same as the battle frontier too KEK
>>58286429What makes triple battles in XY more worthwhile than comp in SV?
>>58286435>THIS MINIGAME WHERE YOU USE THE TOUCH SCREEN TO PLAY SPORTS WITH YOUR POKEMON IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THIS MINIGAME WHERE YOU USE THE TOUCH SCREEN TO PLAY SPORTS WITH YOUR POKEMONkek your seething is off the charts
>>58286436the fact that the engine can't handle them so you instinctively say "fuck this" and go play a better game like hgss
>>58286439It is different. HGSS's touchscreen-based sports minigames are actually fun.
>HGSS thread>turns into XY seethe threadso much for XY being forgettable kek
>>58286445Well it's number 1 defender is being a huge hypocrite right now to attack another game, I won't let that slide. It's not about XY.
>>58286443Not really. They should've included actual content
>>58286445completely ignoring the fact that this whole discussion consists of you kalosperm (You) seething over heartGOAT and SOVLsilver and desperately trying to cope with its superiority
>>58286133>Restored KantoIt's just as empty as GS lmao.
>>58286459No it's not, you didn't play the game
>>58286460Holy cope.
>>58286443XY's is the one that's fun though, so that can't be right.
>>58286462>>58286463>exactly one minute apart
>>58286466find a better cope
>>58285604It's just zoomers whose first games were DPPt (worst games in the series) getting their minds blown by a slightly less dogshit game. They're still god awful remakes, but zoomers can't tell because they've never played GSC (even though they love to steal Johtogod valor).
I wonder what it’s like for zoomzooms who grew up on the 3ds to go back and experience peak Pokemon (Gens 3-4). It must be transcendent to see how much the gameplay opens up and how much care is woven into them. I got into Final Fantasy as an adult rather than growing up with it and watching it change but I started with and only played the boomer games of its golden era (I-XII) so it’s not really the same
>>58285672gen 2 is dogshit
