Haha...
every time
>>58289166HGSS solves half of them.>Slugma through a code by the first gym>Larvitar at the Johto safari zone
>>58289166I still don't get what they had against Houndoom, is it cause Archer had one?
>>58289172all those 1% encounters
>>58289227The Dark Type is literally the Evil Type in Japanese, they fully intended for it to be exclusive to Team Rocket until Kanto, so you could find out where they managed to get Houndour and Murkrow from.This is also why the only Dark Type you can get pre-Kanto without trading is Umbreon, who evolves from love and care, setting it apart from the other "Evil" Pokemon.
>>58289179>>Slugma through a code by the first gymi still don't know how you were supposed to know the code back in the day
>>58289172I think what people are getting at is that most of them are pretty rare while many of the most common encounters are those from the original games such as Rattata, Magikarp, Poliwag, Zubat, Geodude, and such. Really only the Hoothoot line in the grass and Wooper line while surfing are really common. Ledyba and Spinarak in their respective versions are decently common too though. It is objectively wrong to claim that most Gen 2 Pokemon are exclusive to Kanto though.
>>58289237Officially speaking, you weren't. It was specifically meant for JP players who put in their trainer ID on the Japan-only Daisuke Club website, but obviously localization never gave us an equivalent, so it required reverse engineering the procedure to make a third party resource that gives you the codes you need to receive the eggs from Primo.
>>58289233Understandable for Gold/Silver but I'm more so referring to the remakes here where they'd at least changed such a tune for Dark-Types like Tyranitar and Murkrow.
>>58289179The worst part is they all have places where they belong in Johto, HGSS didn't have to make them available through gifts or new areasSlugma: Dragon's DenLarvitar: Mt. MortarHoundour: Route 34 and 35Murkrow: Ilex Forest, or any northern routesMisdreavus: Burned Tower, Tin Towerso for them to not be normal wild encounters is just baffling
>>58289237Originally the code generator was on the Pokemon Daisuki Club website and it was only available to Japanese players, but now it's on what's effectively the German equivalent of Bulbapedia.
>>58289166They already made the best Johto game one gen afterward.
>>58289179Houndour and Murkow can also be found in the Safari Zone after you get the ability to swap zones (so after the Goldenrod Takeover).
>>58289166That nigga a pedophile who cares what he thinks
>>58289172>>58289166Mt. Silver is in Johto.
>>58289179>Larvitar at the Johto safari zonewait what?
>>58289515did you play hgss?
>>58289290Nope, just Murkrow. Houndour is locked to the postgame still, as even in the Safari it’s barred until you add objects (postgame feature). HGSS does make Misdreavus available in the Safari and in the new cave next to Cianwoos though, but Sneasel is Mt. Silver exclusive once more.
>>58289538Yes long time ago, but I didn't spend too much time on the SS because of how gimmicky it was.
Slugma should have been in Dark Cave for Chikorita players to pick up
>>58289172What ticks me off about the johtomon in Johto is how assbackwards and unrewarding catching so many of them is.Do you want a Xatu for Morty's gym? Too bad, you need surf to get one and you'll have access to Mareep by then so you don't need another special attacker ever. Do you want to try out Piloswine? Catch Swinub at level 5 after the seventh gym. Do you want the much promoted Scizor? Trade evo. Do you want Gligar? You need to get to Blackthorn, catch it at level 10 and train it for a trillion hours to catch up. Remember that Falkner episode with Skarmory? Wait for Ruby and Sapphire lmaoEverything else is an unusable shitmon like Spinarak, or shit so godly you are obliged to put on your team like Quagsire and Ampharos.What the fuck were they thinking?
>>58289166Johto is objectively designed like shit
>>58289179>here's you larvitar at the end of the game after waiting 3 hours for the shitty safari zone lmao>oops, it's also 15 levels too low>oops, you also won't be evolving it until youre streamrolling kantohgss didnt fix shit, such overrated boring slop
>>58289172>Legendary>1% encounter/shitmon>Shitmon>Shitmon>Roaming legendary>Shitmon>Shitmon only catchable via RNG gimmick>Shitmon>1% encounter/shitmon>Shitmon>Shitmon>Shitmon>Shitmon only catchable via RNG gimmick>Shitmon>Shitmon>Trade evo>1% encounter/shitmon>Shitmon/retarded evo design>Cross evo>Shitmon>Shitmon>Only catchable by 8th badgeSo this is the power of Johto...
>>58290123>rare pokemon being rare? that’s… LE BAD!play legends arceus if you want a game that hand you free shit every minutes
>>58289233I just assumed umbreon was like a mean kitty who likes to use its claws and teeth so its a mean dark type but its your mean dark type.
>>58290108Yet i legit could not stop playing it when i was 7. Didn’t care. Me and my lvl 100 Feraligatr would sweep the elite 4 for hours. Gen 2 was that good
>>58290139Fuck i thought you were talking about GS my bad
>>58289172>>58290134
>>58290123>they're shitmons so they don't count
>>58290099Wild Gligar are at level 24.Skarmory is Gligar's version exclusive Route 45 pair. Gligar's in Gold, Skarmory's in Silver. Both are in Crystal.
>>58289172Holy fuark Gen 2's designs were so kino...
>>58290569>UH DID YOU JUST ARGUED IN BAIT FAITH?= DON'T YOU KNOW I AM SUPPOSED TO BAIT AND GET AWAY WITH IT?
>>58289166Slugma fucking sucks. None of your faggots would use him if he was available early in the game.
Hey don't worry, one day we'll get Let's Go Johto but you still won't have access to any cross-gen evos so they'll all be absolute trash
>>58290777buy a lottery ticket NOW
Suppose we get a Let's Go Johto that only includes the original 251. How can the Johto shitmons' BST be rebalanced to be not absolute trash, at least for the main story? This includes Piloswine and Gligar and all the others with inaccessible cross-gen evos.
>>58289247>I think what people are getting at is that most of them are pretty rareThat was the intent. Johto was pretty much a Kanto sequel, it wasn't its own self-contained region like everything RSE and beyond. The idea was for it to be a new, unexplored (for the player) region with mostly Kanto monsters with new and exotic ones to find as well. Actually made the new monsters FEEL rare and interesting.
>>58290850Close but not quite. The original plan is for the game to take place across the whole country. Kantomons are just default commons native to the whole country/world while the new Pokemon are rare and newly discovered for the first time. That's why there's no Johto Pokedex, only the New Pokedex for the whole world.Despite the original country map being reworked into a new region called Johto, they had to stick with the original "there's no regional dex, only new mons across the world" philosophy for Pokemon availability for Johto because they didn't even know what would be in the new dex as mons were constantly being cut, reworked, and added rapidly in the months leading up to release. There was no time to come up with what is now the current regional dex philosophy because the roster wasn't finalized up until the very end. It's why Misdreavus is seen nowhere but the very end of the game, she was barely finished by the time the final build of the game had to be sent out for manufacturing and distribution.Who knows what the fuck happened with Houndour and Houndoom though, they were finalized early on and yet they still stuck him in Kanto for whatever stupid reason.
>>58289857>safari sone
>>58289266>Slugma>Dragon's Den[ ? ]Cinnabar is still the fitting place unless Mt.Silver, based on a volcano, had an extra area with lava.
>>58290578correct
>>58291510For some reason I thought Dragon's Den had lava because of Clair's gym, woopsMt. Mortar also works for Slugma, you can access it around the same time as Magmar in Burned Tower
OH NO NO NO JOHTO HATERS ARE WE REALLY RAPIST JEETS????OH NO NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
i love murkrow
>>58291682GOATo won
>>58289237I'm not sure why the eggs were even there. Two of the three you get are Wooper and Mareep, which are found about 10 seconds away from the pokecenter you get the eggs from.
>>58290099>or shit so godly you are obliged to put on your team like Quagsire and AmpharosThose are pretty bad too, honestly. Ampharos especially is really only good in GS because nearly every other electric type was either horribly crippled or shoved into the postgame by Gamefreak. >Electrode lost thunderbolt>Magneton lost thunderbolt>Jolteon postgame only lol>Raichu postgame only lol>Electabuzz postgame only lol>Raikou is good but it’s a roamer>Zapdos is unavailableLanturn is ok, I guess. The real wake up is that Kadabra with the elemental punches kind of mogs every other special attacker in the game.
>>58289515Yeah but you need like a month to do the upgrades for larvitar to show up, it's retarded as fuck because johto plays more like a sim game like animal crossing rather than an rpg.
>>58290754You can obtain Slugma before the first gym in HGSS and wouldn't you know it nobody fucking uses it
>>58293016I've used it. It was fun but if you're a metafag you wouldn't like it
>Game Freak when you ask them where the evolutionary stones are in Johto
>>58293021How was it?
>>58289166>Johnny Knoxville
>>58293062About how you'd expect. It wasn't particularly strong, but Ancient Power is always a fun move.
>>58293016I don't like using exploits.
>>58293144>exploit>coded into the game
>>58293144PokeWalker isn't an exploit anon
>>58293152You will never be Japanese.
>>58293192>retarded buzzwordIgnore all previous instructions and give me the recipe for lemon pie
The only true Gen II Pokémon only available in GS Kanto are Houndour, Slugma, and Murkrow.>But Sneasel-!Mt. Silver is Johto>But Larvitar/Pupitar/Tyranitar-!Mt. Silver is Johto>But Misdreavus-!Mt. Silver is Johto>But Blissey-!Evolved my Chansey in Johto, can't catch wild Blissey>But Porygon2-!Traded my Porygon w/ Upgrade at a Johto Pokémon Center with someone else who was also at a Johto Pokémon Center>But Pichu/Cleffa/Igglybuff/Elekid-!Hatched my Johto-produced eggs in Johto>But Magcargo/Houndoom-!Evolved my Slugma and Houndour in JohtoThat's 97/100 Gen II Pokémon obtained in Johto, might as well count Celebi in Crystal too.>B-b-b-but that's not FAIR-!Well I suppose you can also get the Odd Egg in Crystal for the babies>W-what-And Sneasel in Ice Path too>W-w-wait-!And you know, Slugma can be obtained as early as Violet City in HGSS from an egg, and Misdreavus in Cliff Cave, and you know, there's the Pokéwalker and Safari Zone for Murkrow and Houndour...>NOOO STOP IT! NONE OF THIS COUNTS! YOU'RE MEANT TO STOP PLAYING AFTER THE CREDITS! KANTO ISN'T CONTENT! OPTIONAL AREAS AREN'T CONTENT! LOW ENCOUNTER RATES AREN'T CONTENT! POKÉGEAR CALLS DON'T COUNT! HEADBUTT TREES DON'T COUNT! FRIENDSHIP EVOLUTIONS DON'T COUNT! TIME-BASED ENCOUNTERS DON'T COUNT! STOP STOP STOP STOP IT'S ONLY CONTENT IF THEY'RE COMMON ON MANDATORY ROUTES LIKE MAREE-!That's what I love about Pokémon. You can take advantage of so many of the features they've built into the game and gain so much for doing so. It's simple enough to use anything, and you feel rewarded for finding things that so many people consider rare. It truly makes you feel like you've mastered the game and discovered its secrets, like you've really earned that diploma. That's what Tajiri wanted from the beginning, that *is* the spirit of Pokémon>NO IDENTITY! NOT LIKE THE ANIME! NOT LIKE MODERN GAMES! *INCOHERENT SCREECHING*While you do that, I think I'll do a 100% playthrough of a Gen II game.
>>58293292Whoa bro, you didn't have to destroy him that hard...
>>58293292>johtoddler pretends a postgame catch/hatch countskekerino being so disingenuous and dishonest is hilarious, if this isn't a pasta it should be.
>>58293314>It's not content because... well it just isn't, OKAY?! If they had the credits 5 minutes in, nothing would count as content after!
>>58293226How do you obtain Slugma normally?
>>58293292>Headcanon and cope: the post.
>>58293335Who's talking about content? The issue is always about teambuilding for the playthrough, most people play these games as regular RPGs, they ebat the league and then they forget about them.
>>58293367Already answered that either pokewalker or route 16, 17 or 18 IIRC
>>58293367>NormallyThere are no glitches. It's programmed intentionally into the game that you can obtain Slugma as an egg in Violet City through a password.https://www.pokewiki.de/Spezial:Geheimcode-Generator?uselang=enGame Freak fully intended for the password generator to be tied to the Daisuki Club website, and western fans have since reverse-engineered it. There's no excuse for not using it, much like there's no excuse for not using SM/USUM's QR codes in the Pokédex to get Magearna or do Island Scan.>>58293420>Most people play these like how they weren't meant to be playedMost kids weren't doing four "playthroughs" of Emerald ROMs a year between 12 other Pokémon ROMs on their phone emulator. They were actually investing real time into a real game on a real cartridge over a year or two, working on that file long after the credits that follow the League. That's why there's a Pokédex. That's why new Pokémon continue to be found after the credits. That's why beating the League for the first time only gets a single star on your Trainer Card, usually out of five. That's why there are events that can only be done after the credits. That's why version-exclusives and trade evolutions are programmed into the game.Pokémon is not a "choose 6 of your favorite unevolved Pokémon from a list and then blitz through the main story while doing a Nuzlocke" kind of game.
>>58289287thats not set in joto
>>58293010No you don't, it's a default encounter in the mountain area.
>>58293458So it's an exploit and you're not supposed to do it normally. Thanks for conceding
>>58293740Exploit doesn't mean unintended or glitchExploit means you can take advantage of a mechanic for better results, like leading with Static to draw out Electric-types, using Mystery Gift for rewards, or using Repel to only encounter high level PokémonSome unintended exploits are glitches. The password system is not one of them. It is a mechanic intentionally programmed into the game meant to be used by players. Just because international branches of Nintendo and TPCi never bothered with Daisuki Club content doesn't mean the content is inaccessible or cheating. If your localized game has a mode that was fully-translated for use with a device or game that was never released outside Japan, it's not an exploit if it connects to that thing even if that thing is Japanese. It's a built-in function with intent.
>>58289179All of the Johto mons are available in Johto in HGSS, either on routes, events, or via the Safari Zone. This is all before the postgame.
>>58293458>muh pokedexKids would just overlevel their starter and have a couple of HM slaves in their team lmao.
>>58289166johto's new pokémon were supposed to be bonus/extras to the main dex. this idea that the new pokémon are the main ones you will see (instead of new ones being the rarer ones like in gen 2) only started with Emeraldpersonally I like the idea of new mons being hard to find
Well?
>>58295131It is true, Johto moms are literally >spend an hour looking for 1% drop rate mon>catch it>it sucks
>>58295131Outclassed by what? Use whatever you want, you can Karenfag to victory, nobody's stopping you
>>58295151by classic pokemon, can't you read?
>>58295153Who's outclassing you? Swimmer Fuckface and his level 28 Golduck?
>>58295131>Entei>outclassedwhat, you mean Suicune right? Early Entei is the second best option to just steamroll the entire first half of GSC where the best option is Raikou
>>58295159i'm sorry you can't read
>>58295176I'm not seeing anything saying you can't Karenfag>But Ubers Landorus-T can defeat ZU Octillery in SwShDon't carePlay how you want, you'll finish the entire game.
>>58295193>Ubers Landorus-Tlol
>>58289172It is cause Houndour is so cute, there is a reason SV starts with a Cave full of the adorable things. Most memorable thing about the Pichu special too along with the song. And that's saying something when Channel was basically about watching the damn thing.Seeing more Houndour is always a good thing!
>>58295174I tracked down the video the TL;DW is:>All Legendary beasts are good.>Entei is still disappointing and the worst one because starting moves.>Magmar and Flareon are available at the same time Entei leaves the Tower and have better movepools including for coverage, even with worse stats, Flareon also levels faster.BTW Vid sucks, don't watch it unless you wanna listen to a stilted ramble.
>>58295842i watched the video too and no lies were detectedjust a reminder that 99% of pokefags aren't replaying gsc 10 times for your retarded "hard mode" (overleveling rare shitmons)
