All legendary Pokemon ranked by LORE POWERLEVEL
>>58291089Put Phione even lower lmfao
>>58291089Eternatus should be 1 tier lower
>>58291089>Jobbernatus that highLOL
According to PokeSpeUltra Necrozma > C-Zygarde = M-Fug > Fug > Deoxys >/= Mewtwo =/> DarkraiDon't think you can scale anyone else
Who wins Fug or Zygarde
Hoopa should not be that low
>>58291098>>58291102INFINITE energy >>58291127You're right, base Hoopa should be with Mew and the others. But Unbound is right.
>>58291144>INFINITEa whole bunch of dynamax energy*Eternatus was only a threat to Galar region and lost to 2 big dogs.Even planetary threat tier is generous for him
Mew should be a tier above. He has no hax basically, and is consistently portrayed as just a step below Mewtwo.Mewtwo is also wanked as fuck in this tier list. The only depection putting him at region tier is Pokken. I guess creating storms throughout Kanto in the first movie? He also scales to Deoxys in PokeSpe, but Deoxys never fights Rayquaza in PokeSpe iirc so you can't scale Mewtwo to Fug.
>ogerpon over the regis
>>58291089So Gen 4 really is the generation of "lore powercreep", which is probably why I can't take its legendaries seriously
>>58291144>Infinite energy>When it jobbed to just crash-landing into the planet it needed to absorb all the region's energy out of desperation just to survive>When it needed to absorb all the energy of the region to be able to revive... just to get mogged by two meme dogs>And then spent nearly 20k years rotting underground from how hard it jobbed>When then it needed to be fed its fossilized flesh to be able to gain even 1 hp>When then it absorbed all the region energy AGAIN to be able to revive properly just to then job to meme dogs AGAINThe only thing "infinite" about Eternatus is the stinks of his farts that get processed into electricity. It's got some hax, because the particles it shits are nice fuel, kinda like Terapagos, but that's about it.Eternatus is Regional at best and that's being generous because it needs a super duper form to actually reach that level unlike all other regional-level mons.btw Ultra Necrozma is regional-level too considering it jobbed to Ultra Necrozpolis or whatever it was called and then it jobbed again to just the Tapus + Lunala/Solgaleo.
>>58291089>Sylvally on city threat???????????????????????
>>58291192Silvally was made to defeat UBs who are stronger than the Tapus who each protect an island and are guardians of the region.
>>58291184Ultra Necrozma consumed an entire universes' worth of lightAnd in the manga it defeats perfect Zygarde who is obviously planetary. Protector of the ecosystem, defeats Xerneas and Yveltal who have life wiping statements etc
>>58291198And Sylvally is explicitly marked to be a total and complete failure.
>>58291210No, Type Null is a failure. Sylvally is its potential realized.
>>58291089>Mewtwo in regional threatLol? Lmao?Mewtwo is a strong creature that lives in a cave. At best you can scale him to Lugia and Ho-Oh based on being conceived as the strongest Pokemon in the world in Tajiri's original vision, and both of them can destroy cities, but by gen 3's soft reboot universe, he's been eclipsed by the weather trio powercreep.>B-B-BUHNon canon.
>>58291218
>>58291089why the fuck is ogerpon that high
>>58291218In PokeSpe M-Mewtwo scales to 50% Zygarde and 100% Zygarde scales to U-NecrozmaBasically UNecrozma > 100 Zygarde > 50 Zygarde >/= M-Mewtwo He's actually kind of a jobber when you keep in mind base Mewtwo is portrayed as weaker than Deoxys and Darkrai in the manga tooAnd Deoxys gets one shot by M-FugLmao
>All legendary pokemon ranked by [Headcanon]
>>58291184Official USUM promo art btw
Diancie is definitely "stronger than regular Pokemon" by default, because Carbink is a regular Pokemon and Diancie lords over armadas of them as a ruler.
>>58291089Reminder that legendaries KNEEL to CHADgas
>>58291161you weren't actually meant to take gen 4's lore seriously.
>>58291089Eternatus should be one tier lower, it’s on the same level as the regional wrecking balls.
>>58291201Not him, but using fucking PokeSpe as a lore metric is laughable. That shit is completely different, it’s like using the anime to power scale legendaries.
>>58291089>God>Universe shaper>Planetary threat Masuda’s word is that it’s all smoke and mirrors lol. Creation and weather trios were exaggerated in the myths and they are island busters at maximum.
>>58291089Kyurem fusions?
>>58291089Are the Lake Guardians that powerful when they all jobbed to man made bombs? A lot of the Pokemon in the three tiers below have much more impressive feats than their specific power to bind one of the space-time duo.
>>58293721Being able to stop one of Dialga or Palkia makes them that stronger
Necrozma base is at minimum ‘astral.’ He ruined the ultra universe at that level after they raped him when he was friendly.
Didnt the ruinous fellas canonically level a kingdom
>>58291184>When it needed to absorb all the energy of the region to be able to revive... just to get mogged by two meme dogsPeople keep saying this but it’s abundantly clear that Calyrex 2-horse Chariot Rider did a lot of that work.
>>58291201>Ultra Necrozma consumed an entire universes' worth of lightNo, that was normal Necrozma. Ultra was what it looked like when it was giving everyone light until they broke it.
>>58291420>literally just using protect>this is somehow impressive
>>58291089God people keep overrating Eternatis and Necrozma, one whos power influenced a gimmick that being dinamax which only affected Galar and was still beaten by country dogs and then Ultra Necrozma who was defeated by aliens and is in eternal pain but suddenly he's "universal level" because of sources not canon to the game>>58291390>promoeven less credible
U Necrozma is not universal by any stretch, but it should still be the strongest after Creation Trio
>>58293774I think they influenced the king and made him go crazy and evil but they didn’t personally cause a load of destruction
>>58293920I forget, but I thought the history teacher was saying they were found in the ruins of the castle or something then sealed away. Like their passive destruction just caused it all to break down.
>>58293757When it is a very specific power that only works on those 2 Pokemon and it can only be done with the power of all three, then it makes them look worse. Individually I don't think any one of them is stronger than Necrozma or Eternatus or even the gen 3 or 6 legendaries.
>>58291420I like how there's this random Eelektrik and Spidops in this battle between two legendaries and a random mega. All in the back alleys.
>>58291089Bros...why is Sinnoh so powerful..
>>58293757Not really. Their ability is just calming them down, anyway, since they’re empath/spirit based pokemon. It’s not about power levels or whatever shonenspic nonsense you deluded yourself into
>>5829378120000 years later and Calyrex still shits himself at hand imagery because of how hard it jobbed to jobbernatus.Calyrex and his meme horses are shitters too. Don't confuse meta relevancy with actual lore.
>>58294319It's the culmination of PokeJapan. The original vision.Everything since then has been fanfic.
>>58293781>it’s abundantly clearthey literally just mog Eternamax Eternatus on their own in the main story
>>58294288>>58294478They're called gods by the people of sinnoh and I'm 100% sure they were clearly stated to be the embodiment of their respective domain and it was also said that just like how dialga and pakia represent substance, uxie azelf and mespirit represent the spirit of the worldAlthough i don't remember how they were captured by team galactic I do think it's implied they have as much control over their domain as palkia and dialga
>>58294319I mean, they never did the whole universe creating thing in any other Gen.
>>58294746>They're called gods by the people of sinnoh and I'm 100% sure they were clearly stated to be the embodiment of their respective domainThe plot notes they made in 2005 and more recently sent to people like the Mastersex devs say otherwise. Official canon internally is >>58293624 basically, though they have said as much in some old untranslated interviews too like the soundtrack one. Myths are just myths.
>>58291161You can't take it seriously because you're low IQ and can't grasp ontological concepts.
This made me realize that sooner or later GameFreak will update their lore someday and gove Mewtwo some hax new form when they once again revisit gen 1. Like maybe using the plot of some game is Mewtwo quest for vengeance or whatever
>>58293624Retards like this are the worst breed of powerscalers.
>>58294816Masters is non canon though, official canon is what's in the game since it's the core main series and it's also been reaffirmed in Legends Arceus which is also a very recent title that double downs on Sinnoh's lore so even if it's "myths" it doesn't take away the fact that they clearly went through the trouble to confirm that Arceus is indeed god in PLA making previous lore more true than it already is.
Bump
>>58294898It's pretty hard to really scale the legendary mons with just the game lore. Some have their most feats shown in the anime usually.
>>58293909necrozma's entire backstory is that it goes from universe to universe consuming ALL of their light (read: energy); not only is it a universal threat, it's actually the singular only pokémon that necessarily HAS destroyed universes
>>58294653The CT lore has him battling and saving everyone from the destruction Eternatus caused. The dogs were involved but he at the minimum participated and saved everyone in the area.
>>58296456My mom's Abra can use Teleport too.
>>58296447Adding to what you said, that’s base form Necrozma, not a fused one or Ultra. He only gets Ultra after he comes through to the mainline universe.
>>58296447The games never said that
>>58296447>necrozma's entire backstory is [fanfiction and schizo babble]
>>58294478The fact that that they can't tame both simultaneously implies a power level.
>>58291089>Hoopla in bottom tier Either good bait or awful opinion
>>58296447maybe you should replay the games
>>58297324Unbound is higher. Bound is lower because it physically cannot act destructively.
>>58294288They can’t even use their supposed powers over emotions/willpower/whatever to stop themselves from being captured by the shitter commanders in DPPt. They’re trash outside of a specific context.
>>58296558That’s not what it’s implying at all. Rowan in DP suggests (and this is confirmed in the leak) that Dialga/Palkia have no control over their actions normally, and require a bond to regulate themselves. UMA are quite literally the pokemon of spirit, so they can cause it to calm down, but a pokemon trainer can have the same effect by bonding with and capturing them. “Power levels” is nonsense if a literal 12 year old can accomplish the same thing with a mass produced piece of plastic. It’s clearly an empath ability.
>>58294898PLA barely says anything, though. You get vague hearsay and mythos from the locals, but nothing is actually said outright, and even Arceus itself is intentionally vague about what it actually is. While Masters isn’t canon, the fact that Gamefreak chose to send them the same notes hard deconfirming them as actual deities for lore consistency, in a creator’s bible sense, does speak volumes more than the literal nothing PLA gave us in either direction. The hardest confirmation is still Masuda’s explicit word that they aren’t actually gods.
>>58297452Not that guy, but Masters got dev notes? Was this confirmed anywhere?
>>58291089This is retarded TypeNull is as strong as silvally its only slower. you didnt even try getting this list right
>>58291089>lake trio>Astral entity>the same Pokemon that get beaten and captured by Galactic's OfficersLook out bros, Stunky and Purugly are now Universe Busters
>>58297452One tweet isn't going to change canon, pokemon isn't just Masuda
>>58297375>these useless fucks didn't just teleport directly to Cyrus after being set free by (you) and use their so called godly powers to stop him before he got to Spear Pillar. Instead they wait until after he's summoned Dialga and Palkia before showing up and in Platinum all they do is help you through the Distortion World with strength puzzlesNice astral entities. Mewtwo and Fug are just shaking thinking about going up against them.
>>58291089>regional threatA REGIONAL THREAT WOULDN'T EVEN TRY TO FIGHT GODI FOUGHT THE LAWAND THE LAW WON
>>58297998oh wait, no, I think I got why he's in regional threat afterallhe is a regi-onal threat
>>58297692well the actual writing was mostly him.
>>58291098>>58291102Lore-wise, Eternamax Eternatus is actually unfathomably dangerous because it can nullify type energy, thereby removing a Pokemon's power to actually fight back.For whatever reason, ONLY the Hero Dogs were immune to this, and without them, the Pokemon world would've been unironically fucked without True Arceus's intervention.
>>58295899their worst anti-feats tend also come from the anime.
>>58298166>Lore-wise, Eternamax Eternatus [schizo fanfic babble]
>>58298175Nope, this is officially sanctioned Eternatus lore. You literally can not attack Eternamax Eternatus until you have the Hero Dogs backing you up, and this applies to every single species of Pokemon you could possibly bring to the battle.
>>58298211>Nope, this is [more autistic schizo babble]
>>58298246You didn't play SWSH. That's okay, sweetie, I'll show you what happens in the Eternamax fight.https://youtu.be/u5Z7EAW-xLM?si=h9ADjHvtl6TQYJim&t=218
>>58298251This interaction still occurs even if you’re using a traded wolf before the main ones appear. It’s programmed that way because Gamefreak’s assuming you’re using normalfag Pokemon, and thus the effect broadly applying to everything ever is an idiotic statement.
>>58298274Yeah, because those hero dogs were caught in Poke Balls, therefore their powers have been heavily reduced.You don't pay attention to Pokemon's lore, else you'd know Pokemon of legendary proportions have their abilities weakened by being captured with a ball.Cyrus's entire plot hinges on using the Red Chain to control Dialga/Palkia instead of the Master Ball because they'd lose their powers of manipulating time or space, otherwise.Ghetsis's entire plot in B2W2 hinges on using the control device to control Ghetsis instead of a Master Ball because it'd lose its potential to ice over the entire region, otherwise.
>>58298287>control GhetsisMeant Kyurem, don't know what kind of retardation lapse that was.
>>58298287>actually bringing up the red chain lore when it’s been scrapped since Gen 6Did ORAS’ lore go in-and-out the empty space in-between your ears?
>>58298302What the fuck are you even talking about? Literally where was the Red Chain mentioned in ORAS, and how does it "scrap" the lore?
Doesn't Terapagos alter reality somehow? So...
>>58298287>Cyrus's entire plot hinges on using the Red Chain to control Dialga/Palkia instead of the Master Ball because they'd lose their powers of manipulating time or space, otherwise. His goal was to enslave the deities that shaped the universe through their avatars; if the avatars were to be captured by any means, the connection with said deities would be severed as a precaution. The lake trio, the pillar trio, and Arceus itself are avatars of greater gods of this universe; if any of them were captured, they'd be nothing more than ultra-powerful Pokémon. The scene in the Shinjo Ruins is just Arceus and the Unouns connecting to the deity so that the Universe will be reset so that the protagonist gets the egg of one of the pillar trio.
>>58291089>”universe shaper”>not also using “planet shaper”cuck loser
Galarcucks are so embarrassing man.
>>58298513arceus just laid a literal egg and the star shit was censorship of the miracle of childbirth
>>58299127No, because even Cynthia is genuinely awestruck by the event, and a woman in her 30s should not be going "oh wow..." when a creature shits out an egg.It was literal divine conception that required no visible birth, the egg was made out of thin fucking air and required the elements of the universe in tandem with True Arceus to be formed.
>>58297347i just replayed sun like a year ago :/
>>58298166>ONLYno limits fallacy>>58299336sorry for your loss
>>58299345The Mysterious Power nullifies the moves of every single Pokemon in SWSH, no exceptions. Not even Arceus can do shit, which only further supports Masuda's "Arceus isn't a god" statement.It's ONLY when the wild Hero Dogs arrive and power up that you get the ability to use moves again, and Hop directly attributes this to them.
>>58299348>ONLYnolimitsfallacydon’t reply unless you have an adequate response to this
>>58299345>lossit's my favorite gen now + i got this guy :)
>>58299212even the pokemon daycare workers have somehow managed to not witness pokemon birth first hand so it was the first time anyone saw it happen real time.
>>58299397That’s just being coy for the sake of the children.
>>58299397anon... you gotta keep in mind, every time this is discussed in-game, it's in the context of adults talking to children about the birds and the bees. they're being responsible and leaving that conversation to your parents.that said arceus is built different it absolutely conjured that shit from the void
>>58299418Also, if we're going by the "they're just protecting the child's innocence!" notion, I'm glad that in SMUSUM, Nebby canonically holds the player character hostage while it has sex with a random Solgaleo/Lunala, and then forces the player to stay with it through the entire duration of the pregnancy and birth, never leaving that one area for however long that pregnancy period lasts.
>>58291089How is fug in the same tier as kyogre and gordon when the entire plot climax of emerald is that he's so much stronger than them that all he has to do is show up and they get scared and fuck off?
>>58299348>>58298166>Galartranny too retarded to understand gameplay contrivances for the sake of forcing a scripted epic narrative moment for the set-pieces to play and somehow thinks that's actually loreDo you also think the Miraidon/Koraidon in SV is literally immortal because it cannot lose the final battle that's also a glorified cutscene?
>>58299680No, that's the power of your bond in effect and Koraidon/Miraidon's desire to make sure you and your friends don't fucking die, not immortality.
>>58291089Dude, you're downplaying Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem. Both Reshiram and Zekrom have been said to have the power to destroy the entire world. Also, Kyurem is stronger than one of them, since it can defeat them in battle by itself, it's fusion form would be the most powerful pokemon on the planet.
>>58299418the professors say they don't udnerstand the eggs ttoo even in games where you are specifically supposed to be helping them out on research. eggs are on the forefront of scientific research.
>>58291089Honestly, this image does a good job of explaining why I never liked DPP. It’s just too tryhard edgy. That’s the only gen besides 9 I never clicked with.
