Where did Skull work where Yell and Star didn't?
Skull are actually funny while Yell are just annoying since their entire characterization is tied to Marnie, who doesn't factor in the game whatsoever and could be taken out without changing anythingTeam Star are bad too, there shouldn't have been grunts
>>58293919Team Star are pretty popular, they get shittons of fan art like other SV characters because they are actually decently writen for Pokemon standards.So to rephrase and answer your question: Yell failed unlike Skull and Star because Yell has quite literally nothing. They are ugly, they are annoying, they have no presence or relevance, you could extract their battles from the game and just make them so they stick to being gym trainers or just background NPCs and it would be the same.Team Yell just brings absolutely nothing to the game, the only thing it does is making it worse, so of course it failed, I even keep forgetting it existed.
>>58293919Team Yell didn't have any admins or important members besides Piers who wasn't even aware of what his gym trainers were doing
>>58293919they were first
better characters, guzma in particular is very likable. Back in Gen 7, the prospect of the evil team not being the REAL evil was actually novel and not executed poorly.Team Yell is just a bunch of ugly football hooligans with no actual admins/leadership. Marco Cosmos is the Aether Foundation twist done extremely poorly to the point where people forget that they're an evil team and never listed amongst the others.Team Star has its issues, but the concept is a lot more interesting at its base than Yell, it helps that it has actual admins to build a narrative off of. That being said, I'm firmly tired of fake/sympathetic evil teams and would like actual evil antags in Gen 10.
>>58293919Every single member is fuckable
>>58293986It's sad a lot of Team Star's issues come from the fact they're trying to just do Skull for a third time with NO sense of irony or surprising twist. If we went from Skull to Star, it'd still be a downgrade but not a significantly noticeable one like Yell. SV in general has that issue, being a downgrade of SM's concepts but executed significantly better than SwShWhen Masuda did the exact same shit a third time he tried to subvert it with Plasma. Then did it wholesale straight again with Flare. Ohmori just did his one-trick pony thing 3 times in a row and all it did was make Skull look worse
>>58294009I'm gonna be honest with you anon if you fight any Team Skull named character and then any Team Star boss and still think they are remotely the same you must be underage or plain retarded.
>>58294039I'm talking about the grunt shit, that's the reason people hate this modern "pathetic non-evil team" shit they've been doing. If Team Star were all Admins, nobody would EVER be making comparisons
>>58293919It really is something you can only pull once so being the first helped them. Also that they're more tied to what makes Alola unique, the island challenge so it breaks the idealism pokemon usually has about trainers.That said, I don't think Skull is as good as people claim, I particularly dislike that in base SM Plumeria and Guzma don't interact. But I do think they work better than Yell and Star.As for Yell, they don't have notable characters directly asociated with them and, much like Marnie's, their "story" ends when you hit Piers's town. They're just props for Marnie and roadblocks that wouldn't make sense for Macro Cosmos.Team Star idea of being the bullied kids fighting back was ok, but it required a lot of writing around to make the current school teachers look good and the camp thing makes more sense gameplay-wise than writing-wise. Also the twist about Penny sucks, not so much because its obvious(which does suck) but because they were also lampshading obvous twists with Clive. You can't do both at the same time.
Sada/Turo should been the actual leaders of Team Star in their respective games. The team should been a school program that reclutes bullies from school to ""reform"" them but actually puts them to protect experiments related to their investigation. Also have a better name like Team Order instead Star (fucking cringe)Penny should be releged to bullied kid trying to get revenge on the program that protects her bullies from actual punishment.
>>58293919They were first, and not copying a concept.
>>58294058>I particularly dislike that in base SM Plumeria and Guzma don't interact.It's funny because the teraleak reveals they're exes so they clearly just don't want to talk to each other lmao
>>58293919I want to have sex with Guzma
>>58294112Penny also has a dick you know?
Just wait until next gen when the evil team is literally just circus clowns
Team yell should've just been a trainer class. I think SWSH's evil team should've been either a corrupt league or some sort of tresure bandits looking to make some quid off the sword and shield.
>>58294135Would be based
>>58293919Star is popular though. Even though their content is clearly rushed/unfinished in SV, the characters and story resonated with people all the same. The concept of bullying not being taken seriously is easy to identify with and crosses cultural borders. It helps that they have distinct personalities, crazy outfits and that their leader has a bunch of Eevees. Clive is also goofy and fun.As for Yell, they didn't work because they're barely part of the story and football hooliganism isn't as universal as delinquency. They're a red herring to build up Marnie as a rival, but she ends up being a minor part of the story anyway while Hop battles you every other screen. Tbh the story in Gen 8 is so undercooked that's a whole other topic.
>>58293919Skull worked because they were the original lovable losers with legitimate gripes to grind, while the others are poor imitations trying to capitalise on their success. Though to be fair, outside of Penny, the Star members are pretty well liked. Just not the idea behind the team itself.
>>58294135If the next Pokemon game has Clussy it'll be the first time in ages that /vp/ won't shitpost a mainline title
>>58294135Genuinely a clown-themed team that's like, evil performers would go kinda hard.>Justify them showing up from place to place by saying they're there to perform>Can have them pull a variety of zany schemes you have to stop explained as them trying to commit thefts as they move from place to place>Admins can be themed after stuff like lion tamers or magicians, with the boss being the ringmaster>You can participate in their performances as a return of contests/performances/pokestar studios, either as part of getting them to back off in main game or legitimately in the post-game
>>58294158Piers should been an anarchist punk trying to get Marnie to the top of the league with dirty tricks instead dynamax (because they are to maginal and poor to get a dynamax band) and start a revolution from the top.Yell Grunts would been true hooligans that wreck shit when Marnie wins a battle.
>>58294194>Marnie: Well-spoken, polite, kind.>Piers: Well-spoken, polite, kind.They needed to have more teeth.
>>58294183Okay you convinced me this isn't too bad
>>58294135We already have team Magma as the clown team
>>58294009>When Masuda did the exact same shit a third time he tried to subvert it with Plasma. Then did it wholesale straight again with Flare.I'd say that Team Galactic is what Magma/Aqua wanted to be, Plasma is the subversion, and Flare, despite being the most incoherent team, at least is better than the gen 3 ones because Lysandre actually accepts he's doing something crazy instead of being retarded like Maxie and Archie.
>>58293919It's ya boi GUZMA xD
>>58294385Valid answer, also Team Skull has memorable memes
>>58294355No yeah that's pretty much how it went. Like he was trying to perfect the exact same idea over and over because he didn't know how to do anything actually unique. Got worse with each game putting more and more focus on the evil team but then had the end of the game focus on the fuckin League
Evil teams don't need to be intimidating but they need presence. Team yell was like any other npc that would bother you in your journey.
>>58294100Kek, seriously? I hadn't heard that one yet.
>>58293919Guzma is a pretty likeable character with a great design
>>58294178Really I think Skull being consistently entertaining is a big thing, the grunts are just as fun as the leaders which isn't really the case with Star where you could remove the grunts and not much changes about their story.
>>58293919Team Skull was cool and its leaders were all good characters and at the end of the day, they were all just misguided youths so you had a soft spot for them.Team Yell was a nothing burger and nearly completely irrelevant to anything interesting in SwSh.Team Star was like Team Skull but they executed it in a really cringe way with the treasure nonsense.
>>582939279/10 team. Only thing stopping them from being a perfect 10 is Guzma's theme having no flair to it.https://youtu.be/zeykLp88FqU?si=ttMuYE3Ng1UVcnR6https://youtu.be/W1UkE4SpZYU?si=SSw7_QmrdHzxy5XHAnd truthfully, the only thing preventing SM for being the undisputed best in stores
>>58295455>And truthfully, the only thing preventing SM from being the undisputed best in seriesAutocorrect isn't just a feature, it's my mortal enemy.
>>58293919They are just as bad and started the "just misunderstood" bad guy team that's infects Pokemon to this day.
>>58295497I understand the importance of contrarianism, but are you really defending Team Galactic, Plasma or Flare?
Simple. For the first and only time in series history, their gang outfits weren't designed by faggatroid dweebs.
>>58295503Plasma works
Frequency matters. You really only deal with Team Yell a few times and they're just being nuisances. Marnie and Piers are technically their 'Admins' but they don't really register that way since Team Yell is doing all this shit without their own leaders' permission. They're just gym trainers run amok so they end up not even being a real gang. Team Skull was more frequent. Their leaders actually tell them what to do so you actually register them as gang leaders. The fights with Marnie and Piers were friendly rival fights and just a gym battle (a fun one, I like the gimmick of his gym being the only one without the dynamax gimmick). But then Guzma and Plumeria were actually antagonistic, felt more like traditional villain team fights.
