Clothes aren't locked to gender in ZA
>>58294756And this matters, why?
>>58294756Good. If I want to dress a male avatar in a dress then I should be able to. All the better to match with my Gardevoir companion
>>58294756Rowling did nothing wrong btw
>>58294766Trannies. They are appealing to trannies.
>>58294756Somehow I feel like players who want their character in a dress would still opt to play as the girl
>>58294766from a personal standpoint, male clothing options have always been dogshit, the female protagonists have always had a bigger variety of clothes, even some that shouldn't even be gender locked>>58294775rent free
>>58294775And this matters, why?
>>58294784Not if you're a male gardevoir enjoyer
Big mistake now the trannies are going to be even more insufferable
>>58294788Cause they're the worst
>>58294756>Toby Fox joins GameFreak>Mysteriously the entire Pokemon franchise declines a lot faster and is wokewow. really makes you think.
Watch this being limited to some gender neutral clothes like pic related and you niggers will be complaining about the woke ghost for nothing.
>>58294756Translation: no dresses or skirts
apparently hairs aren't locked either this way I can pick a "boy" to get the female rival, and then just use women's clothing and hair and name so they can be lesbiansty woke for enabling more yuri
>>58294819Nah skirts and dresses are confirmed. LGBT has won, western culture has fallen it's over
>>58294756conservabros....... the west has fallen.. the white genocide.. israel.. we lost and trannies won.. owari desu
>>58294766Because boys can wear skirts and that makes my peepee big
So uh... no skirts again?
>>58294845good, fuck mutts.
>>58294800Nigga they have been crying for 3 years because there's no skirts in SV
By the way, Harmony has a notable bust size so wearing girly clothes as Paxton probably would make him seem as flat. Waiting for the full game for confirmation.>>58294851Skirts were confirmed multiple times already. Just watch literally any trailer since they revealed customization.
>>58294756>introduced fairy types to the franchise>now encouraging crossdressingKalos is truly the region of trannies.
>>58294851it literally says at the bottom of the image that there are plenty of skirts and dresses
good, i knew that joos would win, it was a question of time. nobody in the west has the balls to overthrow them.
>more options is a bad thing
>>58294807Nothing is worse than a 4channer
>>58294837not enough people talking about this
>>58294901what about a 4channer troon
>>58294930While possible, they don't live long when they leave /lgbt/.Without the echochamber effect, most trannies die because everyone points at their mistakes or lack of common sense.The death of /qa/ was a testament to this. The only places that "accepted" them were /lgbt/, /b/, /trash/, and /pol/.In any other board, they are just leaks.
>>58294788>>58294766Stfu and kill yourself
>>58294947troon detected
>>58294775Wouldn't they just play as the gender they identify as and thus not care about clothing types being restricted?
>>58295017Anon i don't think it's a fallacy to simply ask why you are upset about something. Since naturally one would have a reason.
>>58294837Nah, at most you’ll just be a trap
>>58294800>Implying they don't pick the woman by default anyway
>>58294837This is actually reasonable, unlike the clothing. Hair length/styles has/have never been consistently gendered.
>>58294756>Clothes aren't locked to genderDo I get to befriend the boutique owners to unlock Thread stats?
>>58295066It is because leftfags are dishonest about it.First they push they own agenda and then they say it's "petty" when it's to their advantage.
>>58294775Crossdressing isn’t the same as being a tranny. Crossdressers don’t pretend they’re the opposite gender.
>>58294756Wokemon
>>58295529Nobody hates trannies more than crossdressers. They're trying to steal our thing and use it as a political piece. Eventually all gay people will realize the troons have been playing us for fools.
Finally, boys in crop tops!!!
Finally I can be a femboy with the sluttiest bimbo outfit possibleMy team?Gardevoir (male)Mawile (male)Lopunny (male)Roserade (male)Delphox (male)Sylveon (male)
>>58295955braise
>>58294756Not surprising considering Pokemon SV didn't have a single skirt in it.
>>58296005Skirts have already been shown off in trailers
>>58296019Wait so I’m able to put Paxton in the first outfit?Fuck, I’m going to he too busy jerking off ti do anything on release day
>>58295955Based
>>58294766We get it, you're a pedo. Now go back to pleddit.
>>58294786>"Waaaaah! Why female characters had more dressing up options?"Cuz most people prefer playing dressing up with female characters, retard.
>>58294809I never understood why from all talented game music composers of the world (including Western ones) they picked up the most overrated one that is infamous for music plagiarism and his only contribution to games industry was one shitty Earthbound clone. Toby Fox must have really strong connections, especially for an "indie" creator. They even including his shitty game at Smash Bros.
>>58296359/v/ lost
>>58294809Tobyfox joined since Jeetlar thought
>>58296359A lot of shit points towards him being a jew, but I haven't been able to find hard confirmation yet.It's undeniable his musical influence on Pokemon has not had a positive impact, that and he's a literal subversive with how much he tries to sneak really degenerate shit into his games and then pretends he's actually a le heckin good boy.
>>58294756I already told you I'm not buying it, Harry
>>58294756Great change. Finally i can have propper long hair
>>58294756based, literally no downsides to having more options for everybody, AND it makes chuds seethe.
Like clockwork
>>58294756>I can put Paxton in a skirtLETS FUCKING GO GAME OF THE YEAR BABY
>>58294766If you had played the original XY you would have known that male options were extremely limited while girls got anything they could wish for.
>>58294775>normal people: "I'll make this dude wear a dress for shits and giggles">terminally online retards: "TRANS!"
>REEEE WHY DOES SV NOT HAVE ANY SKIRTS I WANT LITTLE GIRLS IN SKIRTS>Sorry! You can now year skirts in ZA!>NOOOOO STOP PANDERING TO TRANNIESYour brainrot is terminal and you ought to be shot and put out of your and everyone else's misery.
>>58296019>>58296288>you can make the male MC look like a femboy slutMuh fucking dick
>>58296379>It's undeniable his musical influence on Pokemon has not had a positive impactimagine saying this when area zero and all the songs associated with it are the best songs in sv
>>58294775Nah, easier to code. Every option is available for every character. Next step is removing gender altogether, like how they don't make sex differences in Pokemon like they used to
>>58296604>>REEEE WHY DOES SV NOT HAVE ANY SKIRTS I WANT LITTLE GIRLS IN SKIRTS Only crossdressers say this >>NOOOOO STOP PANDERING TO TRANNIES Only /pol/tards say this
>>58294775>trannies want to put their male avatars into female clothes instead of playing as female they supposedly see themselves as because... because it is just that! T-T-Trannies are behind everything!
>>58294800Don't lurk websites with trannies or better go touch grass.>>58294845Lgbt culture such as pride flags drag queens and all that bs originated in the west.>>58296019Finally I'll be able to watch under girls (and boys) skirts on a Pokemon game!Holy fucking based!
>>58296676YWNBAW
>>58294756Thank you SV
>>58294756>Can hopefully put the girl in a suit.Based.
>>58294756I mean I already wasn't buying it, this just convinced me that I'm making the right choice.
>>58295501TWEWY IMPLIEDalso, after all these years, i can finally put thigh highs on my trainer (male) and make him look like a qt
>>58294756SV really ran so ZA could fly huh
>>58294756The bigger thing that I see is that they didn't clutter the menu up with the variations, glad they're a sub menu now, instead of red shoes blue shoes green shoes.
>>58294788Actual legit disappointment, because I don’t want to be forced to scroll down entire cluttered menus of clothes I’ll never wear just to get to what I want. There could be a toggle to filter by men’s/women’s, but the people they’re trying to pander to with this decision also find that offensive.
>>58296832>having more options is bad because I hate having to navigate through them!lmaoand you don't even have to buy the clothes you don't want, retard
>>58294775>>58295023>>58296659The option is aimed at traps, not trannies.
>>58296770Not enough people are talking about this >Captcha: STD HI
>>58297005He cute.
>>58297005Traps are just troons in denial
>>58297005So thisTrannies already play as the female character Faggots (like me) want to play as the boy because boys are cute but their clothing options are utter shitNow we can self insert as proper sluts, everything is right in the world
>>58294756
>>58297025And yet when they made bridget trans people said that was out of character.... curious.
>>58297025>t. TrannyLet femboys be femboys. Only the mentally ill mutilate their genitals.
>>58294756If this is what it takes for me to get to wear a kilt then so be it. Mad it wasn't in the UK region but France is close enough. Probably just end up rocking cliche jeans but I'd like the option to wear a Kilt.
>>58296604Do you realize the only people complaining in SV were troons from the generals, right?Male customization has always sucked dick.
>>58294845Nigger this game takes place in the Pokemon equivalent of Paris, France.I'm expecting that sort of thing
>>58297025>boy that dresses like a girl but knows he's a boy is in denial>boy that dresses like a girl and actually thinks he's a girl is not in denialanon..............
>>58296722rent free
I hope this thread descends into relentless schizoposting just as much as the other thread did
>>58296659Yeah? What is the argument here?>>58297005Same wavelength of mental illness
>>58297054Literally no one said this
>>58297240??? I really don't understand anon (nta you replied to)
>>58294756Actually don't care about this. If someone wants to design their character to be faggy twinkletoes wearing a skirt as a dude then that's up to them. Let me customize my character into a fuckin ogre if I want.
>>58297054>And yet when they made bridget trans a bunch of /pol/tards complained We know
>>58297054It was really annoying finding out they made the character change when making a femboy joke that got a lot of people upset at me.
>>58295544A member of the leopard party I see. Stonewall and the push for queer rights occurred because of trans people, anon.
>>58297879There's a lot of history revision there. Just like how trans activists are tying themselves in knots to claim characters, they're doing the same for the dead. Drag queens were not trans, they're just drag queens, but trannies try claim them so they can say they've been here the whole time. People have always been playing with gender norms, but the modern tranny that believes anyone can be an girl if they just say they are is a very new thing.
>>58297874Yeah, changing Bridget is a big deal. It's still a big deal, he's an icon. It completely reverses the meaning of his story too, from one about being yourself no matter how others see you, to one where he explicitly tries to live inside the box of other people's expectations. Nu bridget would act like he's fine and living his best life on the outside, but be dying and depressed inside just like all the real trannies.
>>58297986Femboyfags LOST lol
>>58298002Yeah. It's hard to walk away from getting stabbed in the back better for it. The change is a bad thing. There aren't many other characters like original Bridget.
>>58296722>Posts this>Somehow doesn't get banned:^)
>>58297971Not really. There's no denying that there were indeed trans people at the Stonewall Inn when the raids occurred. It was a queer space, so drag queens, gay, and trans people were all present because they found community together. The reason for a reclamation on part of trans people today is because the terms as we now know them were not as wide spread as back then. Sure we can't say with 100% certainty in some cases, but we can use the context of the time and what we have now and say "yes we can't say for certain but we're 99% sure they were gay/trans/whatever." It's just sad and rather pointless to out trans individuals for whatever reason from queer spaces. Religious hegemonies and bigots will come for every queer person soon enough, why not stick together (something the queer community in Greenwich recognized).
>>58294756>pulling this shit when anti-trannie sentiment is growing higher and higherBold move.
>>58298994Troons are lying and demanding everyone play a game of pretend when they will never be women. This is reality, facts don't suddenly change to accommodate feelings
>>58294756My only worried to adding this feature was that GF would make both protagonists androgynous with barely any sexual features to differentiate them, but thankfully that isn't the case. You can obvious tell Paxton is a boy and Harmony is a girl.
>>58299281Don't relax just yet. Gen 10 will absolutely do this.
TRANNY GAME. Pre-order cancelled
>>58299125Feeling: You don’t like trans people.Fact: Sex and gender are two different things and because of that women can have penises. Just because they’re courageous enough to be themselves it doesn’t mean you should drag them down.
>>58298002Gays really gotta realize their way if life is at stake from their own side.
>>58295017this fallacy only works if an explanation is already given and then dismissed, idiot
>>58295527I’m not sure what agenda you’re referring to. There has been a push in recent years to ensure protections within queer (and other minority) communities and better social understanding of them, but does that qualify as an “agenda”?
>>58294756Yes, I can finally make a tomboy
>>58294756>>58294766crossdressing is disgusting
>>58294766It actually matters a lot because it limits the scope of the clothing’s potential designsPokémon is a mass appeal product that’s trying not to alienate too many people so they won’t actively, or even passively, oppose the ideas of progressivism. However, they aren’t going to flagrantly push these ideas so as to not alienate other more conservative types. This is going to lead to homogenized, gender-neutral options, which in turn will make everything less personally expressive. >”what’s your trainer look like?”>”uhh bodytype 2, khaki shorts, and a black t-shirt”>”same…”
>>58298994>The reason for a reclamation on part of trans people today is because the terms as we now know them were not as wide spread as back then.So they were something different, and you're forcing labels on them that didn't even exist while they were alive. Just because they're gender non conforming doesn't mean they believe all the things that trans people today believe. Trans identifying men are not women, and there should be no obligation to treat them like women legally or socially.>It's just sad and rather pointless to out trans individuals for whatever reason from queer spaces.This is a sad deflection. Crossdressers are fine and trannies aren't because all the ideological differences between them are about trannies forcing themselves upon others. We can't "Stick together" until trans identifying men stop trying to guilt lesbians into dating them, stop calling people eggs and bullying them for not transitioning, and stop fucking with my favorite characters.Trans people are the aggressors. Sure, a lot of religious zealots hate us, but they don't have institutional power like trannies do right now so I'm not as worried about them.
>>58294850Genuinely kill yourself
>>58294850based!
>>58299749If sex and gender are different then define the word "woman"
>>58296770The wild thing is Serena could wear a suit in XY, while Calem couldn't.
Will any of the outfits expose the protagonists belly buttonThe only crop top shown thus far does not show a navel>>58296019 so that concerns me that the navels will be censored. Yet Taunie is clearly the protagonist model wearing a crop top with a navel showing
>>58299996Still living survivors from the 60s very much support trans identity as it is recognized today. Some don’t, just like some gay people do not support trans people. If you believe in an obligation of treating your fellow human with decency and compassion, then yes, there is an obligation to do so. Trans people do not “force themselves” onto others any more than straight, gay, black, or white people do. A correction might be made regarding preferred pronouns, but it stops there. I encourage you to go out and volunteer with your local queer group if you believe an entire group of people are like what a small portion of the internet tells you they’re like. A community constantly on the receiving end of hate, ridicule, or prejudice will never be on the majority side of aggression. I’m not sure where your information is that there are trans people with (influential/substantial) institutional power, but that’s just untrue.
>>58300187Woman is a gendered (social) term.
>>58300493A trans person's pronouns are a claim about reality. When they say "I am a she/her, you need to use those." obliging is as much about decency and compassion as agreeing with a religious person when they say you need to affirm their god. (or affirming an atheist, if that makes the comparison more clear.) There is no compassion in lying about your worldview.>Trans people do not “force themselves” onto others any more than straight, gay, black, or white people do.I already gave my examples. I've personally experienced being pressured to transition, it's a common experience for anyone who's gender non conforming now. Maybe it's not all trannies doing it, but it's a hell of a lot of them. There are other issues too. Trans identifying men want to be in women's sports leagues and women's restrooms, which is a lot larger of an imposition than anything gay people asked for. It's unreasonable. Trans "rights" come at the expense of women's rights.>A community constantly on the receiving end of hate, ridicule, or prejudice will never be on the majority side of aggression.Fucking what? 1st point, Cycle of hate is still a thing. People who experience hate are capable of perpetuating it. 2nd point, all aggressors receive "hate" because they deserve the pushback. You don't get to walk all over people then cry victim when they don't play ball.>I’m not sure where your information is that there are trans people with (influential/substantial) institutional power, but that’s just untrue.Universities, news agencies, tech companies, there's lots of fields that are completely dominated by people who buy into trans ideology and regularly use their positions of power to push it or suppress people who don't kiss the ring. Depending on where you live and how the last election went, they're in government too.
>>58294756I wanted skirts on my feMC.I'll take this compromise.Fuck game freak, time to customize the fuck out of my character.
>>58294756this pleases the fags
>>58300629I can confirm.
>>58296415>changing professions now means that trainer is a trannyI never understood how this is even an argument? Changing your job doesnt make you a tranny.
>>58299749"prefered 'social role'" ≠ gender
>>58300629Being given more customization options pleases literally everyone sane
Whole gaming industry has been moving in this direction for a while, nothing we can do about it.
>>58300637Changing your job from a steward to a policewoman makes you a tranny, yes.
>>58300661Most of the time it's easier to make one outfit and have it wrap to the body type then to make two entire outfits.For example, here's how it was done in oblivion/fallout 3/new vegas. They had to make two outfits for every single outfit, then onwards they made the engine capable of having 1 outfit fit every body type. There's also the marketing aspect of it... "THAT'S RIGHT FOLKS WE HAVE OVER 100 CLOTHING ITEMS!!!!!!!!!" and then it turns out there's only 50 depending on gender. Or how it always turned out, 20 for male and 80 for girls.
>>58300513Sorry, that is INCORRECT!A woman is an adult female human!Better luck next time!!!
What is this topic? I can feel the hatred and malice from here like I'm in an anime and just sensed my enemy flexing their spiritual pressure
>>58300513Okay, but what does it mean?
>>58300710This is the culture war, which is still a sore topic for anyone with any opinion.
>>58300714I must leave this place, then. wars are not won, they are survived.
>>58300732You can try to leave, but it'll destroy something you care about sooner or later. I didn't care much myself before they murdered Bridget.
>>58294756I'm curious if the outfits will remain consistent or if it will be one of those situations where the same item looks completely different on male and female characters>>58295023This is correct and the anon you're replying to is retarded. What >>58296770 pointed out could be nice though.>>58295544In my experience its the exact opposite, lots of crossdressers try to conflate themselves with trans people either because they're chasers trying to avoid the negative connotations or because they see it as a source of social capital in certain situations, like how that RuPaul douchebag calls himself trans whenever its convenient for him. IIRC the term "transgender" itself was ironically coined by a vocally transphobic crossdresser but the term quickly became associated with transsexuals instead because normal people don't use that awful new definition of "gender" that feminists invented>>58297986I'm not a huge fan of the change to Bridget and think its likely the result of the writers having a poor understanding of the issue, but the idea that trans people are "trying to live inside the box of other people's expectations" makes absolutely no sense and shows that you don't understand anything about the issue either. If someone was trans but trying to conform to others' expectations they would obviously just stay in the closet
>>58300744>the idea that trans people are "trying to live inside the box of other people's expectations" makes absolutely no senseI was talking about Bridget. Trans people usually have other problems. Nu Bridget specifically decides to start calling himself a girl because he thinks he'll have to give up being cute if he continues calling himself a boy, which is just the saddest thing. He lacks the confidence and self acceptance that the OG Bridget had which is what made him such an inspiring character.Some trans people have a similar experience, feeling like they have to be trans in order to wear a skirt and do other girly things they want, but obviously not most of them.
>>58295023>>58295216>>58296659>>58297030If trannies actually did this, they wouldn't have strongarmed top surgery scars into that dragon age game.Self-insert fags unironically want an avatar that is literally them, including everything they hate about themselves.
at least this means we'll have decent hairstyling options, even though it also means I'll be forced to look at men prancing around in dresses when playing online
>>58294947Personally I view the average nu-anon's deranged screeching about trans people in much the same way that I view African christfags ranting about how gays "eat da poo poo" so its really just a matter of being annoyed at having to listen to retards. Its hilarious that you accuse other people of being in an echo chamber while parroting whatever stupid culture war nonsense that billionaires feed to you.>>58296644>like how they don't make sex differences in Pokemon like they used toThey only did that with a small handful of pokemon and it was purely an aesthetic thing that was so small most of them weren't even noticeable unless you knew to look for them. They still do it in cases where there's actually gameplay differences like with indeedee and basculegion>>58296832>I don’t want to be forced to scroll down entire cluttered menus of clothes I’ll never wear just to get to what I want.Wouldn't that only be an issue when browsing the shops? If you don't want an item in your inventory you could simply not buy it in the first place>>58300809>Nu Bridget specifically decides to start calling himself a girl because he thinks he'll have to give up being cute if he continues calling himself a boy, which is just the saddest thing.ngl the last GG game I really got into was AC+ so I'm not super up to date on the modern games, I was under the impression that the change basically amounted to a scene where a character was unsure of how to address Bridget, who responded by asking to be referred to as a girl. If there was more stuff like you described that would seem to align with what I said about the writers having a poor understanding of the issue>>58300884>If trannies actually did this, they wouldn't have strongarmed top surgery scars into that dragon age gameThat kind of crap was never for actual trans people, its for cis people who either sexually fetishize trans people or who want to feel like they're supporting some cause with their consumer choices
>>58300711My answer’s a long one so I’ll save myself the time and ask how you’d define it?
>>58300637>He doesn’t know
>>58300598Is saying “here is how I identify, I’d ask you to respect that” really walking all over people?
>>58294756Choice is good. Everyone knows the female avatars get a better selection anyway, so even if it's not a skirt or something gendered you have a better range of jackets, pants etc.
nooo my tranny game series now has more lgbtqiaabbqwtf stuff
>>58294775I promise that you care about trannies way more than the game developers you scream about do.
>>58299749Can you explain XY and XX without inserting your own feelings and schizo ramblings into a sentence?>>58300732Just don't let any weirdo lefty wield a gun around you>>58301069>cis people who either sexually fetishize trans peopleI can promise you no one does that>>58301678Actually TPC have been trying to appeal to every normie in the book because sales and popularity
>>58301438Nta but curious to what your answer is
>>58295023Do you think they fly that Aquafresh flag because they actually identify with their pretend gender?
>>58301719XX/XY is sex. Biological. I’m making sentences very bare bones because I know many people on this site 1.) don’t know 2.) won’t do their own research so I’m not sure why you’re calling it “schizo ramblings” while still engaging in them.>>58301731The question of “what is a woman” is already pretty vague and invites many varied answers. The “gotcha libs” answer is “an adult female human” but that answer is rather redundant. It’s basically giving the definition of a word with a synonym. Obviously it is, but what constitutes “female/woman”? What “age” does a girl become a woman/adult? Is it a physical marker or a mental one? I’m going on a mini tangent here but … culturally, someone might say that when a girl has their first period that makes her transition point into womanhood - but say an XX person cannot have a period, are they any less of a woman because of it? If a “woman” is a mother, what if there’s someone who is unable to become pregnant? Is she not considered a woman anymore? I’m aware I’m just answering a question with more questions but to have a good, earnest discussion on gender identity you have to think about these words and where they come from and why they’re associated with what they are.
All I can hope is that they're actually be more I don't know boyish options? Since I don't want all clothing options to just be girly.
>>58301983Tell me your pitch for boyish options
>>58301920Sex also means gender >>58301920A woman is assigned female at birth. And generally sexual reproductive age is reached around 16 or so. Puberty so to speak.
>>58299852Yes
160 replies just for the only repercussion of this being seeing more pictures of cute girls in suits
>>58302054*cute traps in skirts
>>58302021At one point they were interchangeable but not anymore. Sociology and psychology distinguish the two. Gender is the social elements of sex. What is a woman? What does it mean to be a woman socially? What does society view women as and what do women view themselves as? Why do women view themselves as how they do? All of that is encompassing “gender,” again, the social aspect.
>>58302082In popular games that always have non locked clothing you only see this on joke characters trying to be goofy since in reality anyone who cares about that was already playing a girl characterThe most you’ll see is a guy character using more feminine hairstyles
>>58294756So... does this mean the players can create Scottish avatars?
>>58294756can I make my MC a cute femboy then?
>>58302091Does it? Since when?You can't ignore science and instead try to rationalise it emotionally. What makes a woman a woman is her having no Y chromosome at birth. Would you call a male cat a female for example if you had to check it's gender from looking?
>>58295017Hahahah you're such a dumb idiot not even understanding your own image hahahaha
Who cares, i'll make fun of weirdos having guy wearing skirt like I always have
>Can make my character look like a whore at night and post pictures on /vp/>And can easily change back into a normal guy during daytimeBased
>>58302155>you can’t ignore scienceBut you are actively ignoring sociology, the study of society and its concepts and creations - which gender is.
Poor Paxton is going to be forced into skirts and tummy exposing outfits by creeps as soon as he sets foot in Lumoise CutyI’m also one of said creeps
>>58302155>The earth actually revolves around the sun.Does it? Since when?Just because you don’t read or research psychology and sociology, it doesn’t change what the field of research says about it. By ignoring it, you’re quite literally letting your emotions dictate the science.
>>58302251Sociology isn't based on science on facts.>>58302259Science is fact though. Seeing is believing.
>>58302277**Or
>>58302277I don’t know what else to tell you man, you’re ignoring a field of science.You’re letting your *feeling* that it’s not fact take over the actual facts and knowledge of the field.
>>58302255you just know it's gonna be the "umm... you know they're all 10 year old girls" crowd getting euphoric over being able to put a boy in a dress
>>58302350It's not essentially science based on fact but more of how people feel emotionally about things. Emotional feelings can't override scientific fact.I'm not letting feelings override truth and reality. That's more of sociology.
>>58302355I fap to 10 year old Pokegirls and am getting euphoric over being able to put a boy in a dress.
>>58302427Thank you filthy pedo
>>58302427at least you're consistent
>>58302363anon, human thoughts feelings and emotions are a real function of who and what we are. it's what defines our internal identity , and largely informs our projected social identity. they're the results of our material biology, and can be understood through science as best as its processes can reveal, same as any other function of reality. every field of science has gotten things wrong and evolved over time. the "facts" we operate on are just our best guesses at the time. look at something like physics, our understanding of how the world around us works is still incomplete, and yet even though newton and einsteins theory's turned out to not be 100% "factual" as they don't work with quantum mechanics, they still work perfectly for understanding what we can with them, so calling them wrong would be silly. Science is more about theory and hypothesis and just understanding the best we can than trying to claim absolute fact. the fields of psychology and sociology etc give us conclusions that result in the best applied treatments we've found for anything related.you can whine all you want but you may as well be doing the same thing as climate change deniers. you don't understand the science involved, so you think it's wrong and political, or it's fucked up that it's changed since you were a kid or whatever. I don't even really give a fuck about LGBT shit, but modern science is genuinely on their side, so I just think going against it makes people come off as raging morons. your last sentence is a semantic failure, you're conflating a person's feelings on the truth with a likey truth garnered by the application of the scientific method TOWARDS understanding thoughts and feelings. those are wildly different things and your failure to reason that is very clear to everyone who understands things better than you
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>>58301470Yes when they coerce people into doing it by weaponizing HR and civil rights law. Also again, that's far from the only thing they do.
>>58302011armani twink and brown twink should FUCKkill all trannies, crossdressers, drags and femboys
>>58302475Technically from your standpoint, I'm still theoretically using sociology though.I saw someone say earlier if they were to dress up as a gorilla at a zoo does that make them a gorilla?
>>58302475>[Emotional schizo ramblings with nothing to back it up]
>>58302363Sociology is quite literally the science and study of socialization. Socialization is different and always in flux. Of course there are going to be changing factors… Emotions are a biological response, biology is science. Sociology takes that and put it within the frame of interpersonal connection. Just as people change and grow, so to does the understanding of a given field.>>58302557Not them but you’re ignoring every other post in this thread then if that’s all you can say.
>>58294756chuds lost again
>>58302557denying our understanding of the world that we have managed to get using the scientific method because it doesn't align with what you want the world to be ironically makes you the emotional shizo.facts don't care about your feelings :(
>>58302589Because you are implying i'm actually the one reacting this way because I don't like something, but you are literally doing just that also. >Sociology is quite literally the science and study of socialization.It's not really scientific studies but understanding humanity as a whole and it's really not needed (it's not real science)You also haven't addressed my questions. I guess astrology is also 100% real also
>>58302620Just read like one book on the subject. like climate change deniers you're operating on the false assumption that the scientists are just morons who are like "it's hot outside ok that proves climate change" except it's "this person says they're a girl, ok trans people real" but that's not the reality of it, and your worldview only works if it is. astrology doesn't use the scientific method it's just some thing teenagers do, and if you think the processes are at all similar then you're operating off a wildly incorrect assumption. it would be just as accurate as implying astrology and cosmology are the same. idk genuinely I think you're just kind of dumb but dumb people can still learn. try getting over your rage and maybe you'll come off less like a child to anyone you talk to
>>58294837The Transbian Experience
>>58302648Okay, so if scientists have some knock out argument for proving genderswaps are real, let's hear it. Surely you wouldn't be so confident in an argument you don't actually know, right?
What the FUCK are you idiots arguing about?
>>58302686Mental illness shit.
>>58302648>It's just some thing teenagers doDressing up as the opposite gender is some thing cross dressers do ? Majority of them consider themselves trans or not their assigned gender at birth. It doesn't use a scientific method either.I'm also not angry anon, you are the one who sounds unusually triggered and is bringing up random stuff
>>58302686Apparently accepting that gender is a scientific fact is the same as being a climate change denier
>>583026862 main points, first is that trannies will never be women. Second that everything they're doing is bad for women and gay people who they claim to be championing the rights of.But really I'm just idlely responding to whenever someone says something stupid. Thread would be more fun if we were just posting more crossdressing trainers.
>>58302704I though gay and trans people had the same ideology
>>58302710LGB are often not fond of TThere are plenty of right wing or conservative fags who refuse to bend the knee to troon retardationOne is liking cock, the other is bending over backwards and twisting yourself into a pretzel to push the idea that feeling like a woman makes you one
>>58302674you're not gonna learn from an argument on the Internet if your problem comes from thinking they're not real fields of science, you'll dismiss every claim as false and having no real proof. you're only going to take it seriously if you see evidence of the scientific process and understand how they came to the conclusions they came to, which you'll only get from actually interfacing with the written material. Short of just spending a ton of my free time reiterating the entire subjects conclusions (which I'm sure you've already heard and dismiss as baseless feelings based nonsense), I can't make you smarter for you, I can just tell you to stop trying to put a fork in an electrical socket in front of everyone. genuinely good luck anon, I've known countless people who have learned on this very subject and become less stupid and anti social in many walks of life from it
>>58302648>astrology doesn't use the scientific method it's just some thing teenagers doGreek philosophers would disagree
>>58302710Yes in the sense that a lot of gay and trans people are marxists, but if you talk to gay people who care more about hot boys than bringing about the glorious people's revolution, they don't want the things that trans people want.>>58302715>you're only going to take it seriously if you see evidence of the scientific process and understand how they came to the conclusions they came toYes. If you can't give the reasoning or data for why trans people are actually women, I can only assume that's because you have no reasoning or data.
>>58302714As a g, I can confirm this is true. I’m just happy I can dress a boy in a crop top with his midriff exposed. I do not care for dresses and skirts on boys, at that point it becomes weird and visibly horrendous
>>58302625Cute selfie
>>58302753Is that not borderline perverted?
>>58302759Nice try at deflection anon
>>58302760Not borderline perverted, it is perverted.……problem?
>>58302760It's not borderline, it is perverted. I want to do perverted things in games.
>>58302766Yes. Pedophiles should be shot
>>58302771You're gonna need a WW2-level of ammo production just for this board alone.
>>58302771Is there any hard confirmation that Paxton is a minor?
>>58302765>complimenting is a deflection now Get a better bait for this retard
>>58302714What if we analyse a person and we see they have overwhelming amounts of estrogen and female biology? Like with intersex people, basically.I find that if you don't naturally look like the supposedly gender you say you feel, you are not really a transexual. Trans men should not have large breasts. Trans women should never be balding or have beards/moustaches of any kind.
>>58302780>PaxtonWho?>>58302782You too, damage control-kun
i thought i was on that trash board called /pol/ for a second lol
>>58302797>Doesn't point out how i'm wrong >STILL thinking complimenting is a deflection This what happens to your brain when you consume too much porn
>>58302807Hi /pol/
>>58302805You're the one who keeps responding though, lmaoWhat, do you want my actual selfie or something?
>>58302792How on earth do otherwise conservative gay people lead to trannies, when we want none of the things that trannies want?
>>58302811>You're the one who keeps responding though That doesn't explain how i'm wrong
>>58302816Anon you don't have to go this far to express how triggered you obviously are
>>58302820You're not explaining anything
>>58302797PaxtonHe’s not a minor
>>58296349No one who misreads a post this bad should be calling others a retard. You fucking retard.
>>58302816>>58302820>>58302823You don't have to respond to every (you) that you get.
>>58302823The explanation was that image was an example of factual evidence. Sorry it seemed to trigger something in you for you to revert it back on me
>>58302833Still waiting for the explanation
>>58296585Oh no. Us guys are missing out on...>*checks notes*..skirts and dresses.Dumb faggot
>>58302827He looks young though. We can't deny that. Is there any proof he is an adult?>>58302833I can do whatever I want
>>58302834>The explanation was that image was an example of factual evidence. Source?
>>58294756Good.>>58296797Good.Great news to be desu with you.
>>58302834Are you ever going to explain how complimenting is a deflection or do you just want to evade the conversation like you always do?
>>58302840That it's a man who is seeing himself as a young female in the mirror - but he isn't.>Not denying it also didn't trigger something in you?
>>58296585Nobody played as the male in XY you retard.
>>58302847Are you going to explain why you are so triggered by the image to keep responding to me ?
>>58302848That's a drawing not the real life >>58302852Parroting is admission of defeat
>>58302839Theres no confirmation on his age, but desu he can conceivably be a teenager or young adult. Anyone claiming that he’s a child is being dishonest and/or can’t see
>>58302854A drawing but it's based on reality.Also >Parroting is admission of defeatGood to know you don't know what else to say
>>58302858>A drawing but it's based on reality. Proof? >Good to know you don't know what else to say i'm not the one incapable of explaining thoughever
>>58294756trannymon lmao
>>58302865Sure. Since you like deflection. Look in the mirror.What do you want explaining? That you are so assblasted by the image that you have to keep replying?
>>58302872>Since you like deflection. Since when is complimenting a deflection? you're still dodging that question
>>58302878Because it's just a retarded attempt at a >No uHow can it literally be a compliment any otherwise
>>58294756>when you pass off laziness as a feature
>>58302882How is complimenting someone a "No u" attempt?
>>58302883Someone here gets it.
>>58302885Because it has absolutely nothing to do with me but seems to bother you like no other. Also you didn't deny that's not what you see in the mirror
>>58302891>Because it has absolutely nothing to do with me Prove it
>>58302893Want my selfie again do you? Pathetic anon.I've seen school children with better responses than this
>>58302912>No proofs
>>58302912>>58302893**As in you are the same anon demanding I post tits or gtfo on a BLUE BOARD
>>58302917>it's the same faggot pretending to be a woman online KEK
>>58302914>No proof of you not denying that you >A) aren't triggered by the image >B) don't see that in the mirror eitherBut demands I post proof of myself for whatever bizarre reason.What did anon mean by this
>>58302924>Zero proofs to be found
>>58302923>It's the same faggot who got so triggered that he reported meLMAO
>>58302929Likewise of you not seeing that in the mirror either. But your seething is just enough proof
>>58302930>The faggot larping as a woman is so braindead he can't even come up with a real reply without parroting LMAO
>>58302934>No proof lol
this thread is a great example of why banning transphobes from our local tcg events was so great, no more psychos just endlessy screeching about their own delusions and misery because they have to interact with a queer person
>>58302936>Says I'm parroting>N-no anon it's clearly y-you!>Repeats (parrots) ximself by asking something about his shitty attempt at a deflection Good to know>Inb4 no proofsIt will just keep responding to me now
>>58302941Own delusions and misery?We aren't the ones pretending to be something we are not - nor do we demand that the rest of the world comply by what we want (or get shot)
>>58302941The irony of this comment is palpable
>>58302951y'all usually smell really bad too idk what's up with that, so that was another plus. go take a shower a cool off buddy
>>58302952Anon... parroting is an admission of defeat
>>58302959Proof?
>>58302959i accept your defeat then
>>58302962Xe said so itself and copied my meme pronouns for the sake of the argument
>>58302963Likewise
>>58302971>No u
>>58302977>Prove it >Prove it>Prove it
>>58302978Who are you quoting?
>>58302982(You) Retard-kun
>>58302941If you were normal and a queer dared to inflict himself upon you then you'd understand why they don't tolerate queerness
>>58302989Nah you aren't
>>58302992Meds now
>>58302996Nah
Not sure when they got btfo'd, but an argument earlier must have gotten to them because they're trying really hard to slide the thread by spamming now.
>>58303005Plot twist: it's a sales marketing attempt
>>58303005That's just what happens when you piss off faggots who larp as women on /vp/ the best thing to do is ignore them
>>58302991I hope someday you can recognize how anti-social this is dude, like this is what I'm talking about just be normal I'm a straight not trans guy and I just like pokemon and hanging out with other people that like it too. the queer people usually are chill and the people that freaked out about them were usually angry awkward quiet dudes who somehow smelled like loser, and now I don't have to interact with them in person anymore so me and my nose have already won
>>58303013I will continue to piss them off. They need to face the truth that nobody actually believes they're a girl.
>>58303021You keep saying queer. What does it mean to be queer? If it means gay people, just say that. If it means trans people, just say that.
>>58303013>>58303023Or how's about you keep wanting a response or proof of a selfie so badly? Cause you're not getting it samefags sama
>>58303036>No proofs LOL
>>58303021>Doubt
>>58303028I'm using it to mean both, in my experience all these dudes I'm talking about had a problem with both, also usually women and black people I guess
>>58303039(You)I get it man you really want to keep going. Wanna try reporting me again too?
>>58303045>No proof >Goalposting You're getting desperate
>>58303043I am gay. A lot of people only have a problem with trans people. Intersectionality is a lie that trannies and "non-binary" people use to drag women black people and gays who've already had successful civil rights movements into their regressive causes.
>>58303048>>58303048As are you. Hey you're the one demanding again I post proof but, why aren't YOU the one proving that you don't actually see >>58302625 in the mirror as initially asked?
>>58303059>Links a non-existing post Yup this faggot's a schizo alright
>>58303063Holy newfag
>>58303063>Here we goTriggered anon reported me again because hurty picture!!
>>58295017pointing out fallacy is also a fallacyand >>58302159 is right, the irony is dripping
>>58303067>>58303068At first you're seeing posts that don't exist the next thing you'll do is see thing that don't exist
>>58303073Meds anon. Take them
>>58303073He really is raw dogging the site. I don't know how anyone deals with the vanilla 4chan experience. Either he just got here or he's an absolute retard.
>>58302815Don't you know the different transgender breeds? There is absolutely overlap between gays and trans, just not in every case since there's nuance. But there's enough overlap to be worth talking about. The main overlaps are the stereotypical child grooming and disease spreading but there's so much more.>Male to female: AGPJust porn addicted men, the most common breed of male troon. Most cases of middle aged men crossdressing then abandoning their wives and young children to chase a fetish lifestyle are AGPs.>Male to female: HSTSGay men who either fail to attract male partners and try becoming more feminine to attract straight guys, or gays coping with a lifetime of traumatic abuse for being naturally feminine and trying to fit in as a "real" girl now.>Male to female: Trauma response or other mental illnessesMen with other mental disorders or trauma fall into trans ideology as well, including males who have suffered sexual abuse which is often swept under the rug.>Female to Male: ROGDGirls who get swept up in the trans social trend even if they don't have other issues below. Might be most common female troon. Mainly an issue with girls trying to fit in with their social group. Sometimes just leaving the social group will then reverse their desire to troon out.>Female to Male: Trauma responseGirls who try to look male to protect themselves after sexual or physical abuse, or just getting harassed or ogled. Some also hope the testosterone will make them strong enough to defend themselves in the future. Many girl troons coincidentally decide they want to be male after hitting puberty, growing breasts and being creeped on by men for the first fime. A common breed of female troon.>Female to Male: AAPGirls who want to be a sparkling gay anime twink boy in real life. Fujoshis on drugs.
>>58303077it's okay anon the asylum will take well care of you
>>58303081>Female to Male: LesbiansFemale version of HSTS. Butch lesbians who fail to attract female partners and try becoming more masculine to attract straight girls, or lesbians coping with a lifetime of traumatic abuse for being naturally masculine and trying to fit in as a "real" boy now. This group doesn't have a cool acronym yet, being rare.So yes, many gays end up trans. The reverse also happens where a troon "detransitions" after realizing he or she was just a gay in denial trying to escape reality. This fact then prompts libs to say that the only way to solve this tragedy among gays is to remove all societal stigma from homosexuality.The problem with that is not all troons are gay. So even if all gays were happy and didn't troon out, other non-gay breeds of troons would still exist in the open. Why do all those non-gay troons exist? Because when a society decides same sex intercourse and marriage is allowed, it opens the floodgates to breaking every other previously existing social norm as well. If the old limits placed on gays, for totally no reason besides bigotry, were "bad", then why have any social limits at all?Homosexuality creates an unsolvable societal problem once it's allowed, a self-sustaining cycle of degeneracy that can't be stopped without a complete ban at the root cause. Transgender shit will always return as long as homosexuality runs free. This is why LGBT will always be associated with each other, they're not exactly the same, yet they kind of are. It doesn't matter if some gays hold conservative values or hate transgenders or are friendly neighbors. As long as they practice or promote homosexuality, they are part of the problem and contribute to social decay.
That is not even worth responding to anymore
Pokemon?
>>58303098Schizo marketing thread for ZA
imma just say the same thing I said to those guys who can't hang out the events anymore:stop letting your autism make you hyper fixate on other people's shit. you're gonna be a lot happier and get along with people better if you just act like a person towards other peoplenever really worked on any of the ones that smelled like unwashed ass and clothes left too long in the washer, but I'll try anyway I guess. get help dude good lord
>>58303081I said conservative gay people rather than just gay people because there is a lot of overlap. A lot of trans identifying men are just abused gay men, but a gay man who recognizes that his life doesn't revolve around sex and you can't change reality with hopeful thinking and affirmation will see he only stands to lose from the policy trans people and trans activists push.>it opens the floodgates to breaking every other previously existing social norm as well. If the old limits placed on gays, for totally no reason besides bigotry, were "bad", then why have any social limits at all?Now we're speaking the same language. It is a serious problem that after breaking the previous social norm, so many people decided they need to keep going forever instead of consolidating and creating a new social norm that's stable and leads people to living well. I think the old rules were bad, but destroying them and not replacing them leads to everyone only perusing what's the most immediately gratifying, without the wisdom of tradition to show them the pitfalls and how high time preference behavior in dating fucks you over in the long run.I don't think it's homosexuality that's the problem, I think it's rampant cheating and polyamory. If we had actually married like we said we wanted to instead of doing orgies and hook ups, things would not be as bad.The problem is effecting straight people too. A lot of women bought the "fuck anyone you want, it'll all be fine" line just as much as gay people.
>>58303150Just don't agree with others who deny actual factual evidence and expect everyone to just accept that. But I'm not going over this again.And I'm only responding still to the angry trolls from the previous thread also
>>58302694The “something teenagers do” is referring to astrology. It’s literally in the same sentence…
>>58303150And not to mention a lot of men who identify as trans are extremely toxic to biological females. No I'm not using buzzwords
>>58303181And ?
Won't be long now til we can also select whatever pronouns we want to use too :) character customization just keeps getting better and better
>>58303188well the non trans women are still here in the group too so I guess they're not as toxic as the incels we booted out :/
>>58303216Wait are we now saying there are females?
>>58303207You can already do that in some games
>>58303156>the old rules were badWhy?>I don't think it's homosexuality that's the problemHomosexuality actually is the problem.>If we had actually married like we said we wanted to>things would not be as badThings would still be bad. Let's say all the gays after homosexual marriage was legalized were now in loyal monogamous relationships with each other, treated each other well and were also upstanding members of their communities, maybe they're even religious. These gays would still be having anal sex. Anal sex means playing with shit, and playing with shit leads to diseases. Not just diseases with modern cures or prevention like HIV and AIDS, playing in shit literally causes brand new serious diseases never seen before to suddenly show up. These new diseases then spread out of the gay couple's home to other people, soon infecting the whole community, and if no cures are found, the diseases can cripple and kill everyone infected.But in real life, issues with homosexuality don't end with diseases. With gay men especially, they have no limits to their sex drive which creates a natural tendency to slip further into hedonistic self gratification, much more than a man married to a woman would. This remains true even if a gay couple doesn't engage in anal sex. It also contributes to gays cheating on each other, which coincidentally also leads to a faster spread of sexually transmitted diseases.>the wisdom of tradition to show them the pitfallWhy do you think homosexuality was banned for so long in most societies, basically until modern medicine was established? Why ignore this one huge piece of traditional wisdom to avoid homosexuality at all costs, to avoid it as if homosexuality could somehow single-handedly destroy your entire population? Don't you think that old wisdom could've been based on the real life experience of our ancestors?
>>58302738There’s no more discussion to be had if your main roadblock is ignoring an entire field of study made with the purpose of analyzing human social interactions. Because human behavior and pattern fluctuates over time, it does not invalidate all of their work. It lends that note to having an asterisk saying “this is what X was usually then, this is what X might be now.” I’ve done my part in providing proof of gender being a social construct, but if you’re outright going to ignore the evidence of the scientific field of sociology then you’re just choosing to be ignorant. You’re letting your feelings decide what is fact and what isn’t for you.Looks like that’s score one for me! Score nothing for you! Bring in my Reddit gold!!!(˵ヘωヘ)
>>58303335>Because human behavior and pattern fluctuates over time, it does not invalidate all of their workSo in a few years time what you are saying might not even be considered "legitimate"
>>58303312Again, the problems are with anal sex and hypersexuality, not being gay. Those are problems that straight people have too. The failure to create taboos is what has made things bad for the average gay person, and things aren't going to get better until we can shape up and encourage eachother to better standards.>Why do you think homosexuality was banned for so long in most societiesI don't know. Tradition isn't perfect, I think this is a spot where it was just wrong. The goal is to build traditions and taboos that benefit people. Ones that aren't followed blindly, but that when a person questions them, they can find the answer is based in sound reason. Forbidding yaoi doesn't hold up to that standard like forbidding sleeping with someone new each week.
>>58303349big "well gravity is just a theory" energy with you. YES that's how literally all sciences are and have always been, even literally gravity! We don't believe gravity works the same way we originally did, it's not a force, it's the bending of spacetime. that doesn't mean understanding things fall down when we drop them is dumbstop trying to use science and facts to back yourself up when you don't understand either even a little bit beyond getting a b+ on your work from middle school. I'm gonna stop recommending you read a book on the subject because now I understand you just don't know how. My new recommendation is to remain exactly as you are interacting with people solely through 4chan so that you don't bother anyone in reality
holy shit /vp/ fucking crashed out on this stupid shit
Janny tranny is too busy jerking off to underage girls to actually nuke this thread lol ShartyGODS rule over this board and even mods know that
Love seeing 4chan talking about reality as if most anons here have any grasp of it beyond their autistic bubbles. This goes to the troons here, their lovers and haters, too.But at least most haters can be themselves without "needing" third parties to actively cater to their shit :)
>>58303312>Why do you think homosexuality was banned for so long in most societies?Lol define "most societies." Gay sexual proclivities as a psychological/social problem is an Abrahamic invention.
>this thread unironically reached bump limit just because unovans are mindbroken and can't handle being given more optionsJesus
>>58304299Sure. That's what the arguing was about.
>>58304299How is that your takeaway from all this? How did you get unova from this thread?
