>>58298459
Make it at least neutral on Fairy and heavily reduce U-Turn's distribution to non-Bug types

Bug or Rock, what's worse?

Honestly I’d say Psychic is the worst type at the moment.
>weak to Ghost, Dark, and U-turn, all of which are used all the time in comp
>bad offensive coverage that is largely overlapped by the superior Fairy (being strong against Poison hardly matters when that type is also pretty mediocre)
>abysmal resistances, literally only itself and Fighting

You are everything wrong with Pokémon.

Back in the early gens, the types weren’t “balanced,” and that was the beauty of it. Some types were just weaker - Normal, Flying, Bug - but they were easy to find, easy to level up, and that was their role. Bug was the perfect example. You caught them early, leveled them fast, used them until like the 3rd gym, then dumped them for something stronger you found later - a Ground type, an Electric type, whatever.

Meanwhile Dragon was busted, with literally one weakness, and it was rare as hell. That made it feel mythical, legendary. And Ice, by extension, became this glass cannon gamble: a pain in the ass to raise, but worth it if you committed.

That imbalance was fun. In the lore, in the gameplay, in everything.

Then the compfag crowd showed up, Game Freak shat their pants, and we got the Fairy type.
And now you fags want to “fix” Bug type too? Jesus Christ. You don’t understand Pokémon at all.

>>58298630
>and we got the Fairy type
Which is apparently a good thing because it made Bug type even shittier, and according to your narrative, that's based, right?

Bugs dominate IRL because reproduce a lot and need few resources to survive.
The only way that could translate to pokemon is implementing a economy sistem where having pokemon actually costs time, space and resources.

>>58298658
Learn to read nigger

>>58298630
>nooooo I hate balancing
Let me guess, you hate Steel and Dark too, you campaignshitter?

>>58298679
Yeah, except those were actually good additions that made sense in the lore and fixed one specific issue (Psychic being busted).
Fairy was just panic fanservice for compbabies who couldn’t deal with Dragon.

Also imagine thinking “balance” is what makes Pokémon fun. This isn’t fucking chess, it’s a kid’s monster-collecting game where half the joy is finding out your favorite bug dies to a Pidgey.

Campaignshitter? Buddy, you sound like the type of guy who SR’s his starter for IVs and calls that “fun.”

>>58298630
>Normal, Flying, Bug - but they were easy to find, easy to level up, and that was their role. Bug was the perfect example. You caught them early, leveled them fast, used them until like the 3rd gym, then dumped them for something stronger you found later - a Ground type, an Electric type, whatever
right but this whole argument crumbles down as soon as you consider that there were strong normal types as early as gen 1 and strong bug types as early as gen 2. you can consider the types themselves as "weak", sure, but you're also implying that all holders of these types were meant to be bad, which is supremely retarded. you're not actually supremely retarded, right, anon?

>>58298705
>strong Normal in gen 1
Cool, Tauros exists. A rare pokémon you can found in one place only.

>strong Bug in gen 2
Congrats, Scizor. Aka “not really Bug anymore.” Thanks for proving my point.

Stay mad, champ.

>>58298630
>You are everything wrong with Pokémon
and this comment is seemingly written by AI.

I genuinely don’t know how to respond to something that retarded

>>58298459
idea: introduce weather "maggot rain" which boosts bug moves and gives bug attacks a 25% to additionally trigger quiver dance

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>>58298712
>A rare pokémon you can found in one place only.
oh, you ARE supremely retarded. you didn't even realize that you just contradicted your own argument, did you? i'll let you figure this out on your own, trust me, it shouldn't be too hard... or at least, i hope so.
>Scizor. Aka “not really Bug anymore.”
i was also thinking of heracross, but what the fuck that does even mean? no, it's still very much bug type and thus a strong bug-type pokemon; the steel addition doesn't magically make its bug type disappear, i'm sorry to say.

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>>58298630
>Back in the early gens
>Some types were just weaker - Normal

>>58298459
have bug type resist fairy type

>>58298693
>steel (aka one of the most powerful types ever, which also walls Fairy) is ok
>BUT I HATE FAIRIES
Campaignshitters really are seething dragoncucks huh?
Also both Normal and Ice were genuinely fucking good in Gen 1, meanwhile Dragon (aka Dragonite) was whatever and bodied by Ice anyways

>>58298572
this guy knows his shit. psychic is weak to all the shit that gets spammed due to being broken, has awful defensive attributes, and its offensive attributes are also pretty bad.
it doesn't have any type-exclusive attributes to prop it up either, like bugs getting sticky web and quiver dance or ice/rock types getting stat boosts from their respective weathers.
the few good psychic types are good in spite of their psychic typing, not because of it. calyrex-shadow would be orders of magnitude stronger as a pure ghost, all the psychic type does for it is make it die to shadow sneak.

>>58298630
I kinda agree with some of this post. Why does Bug type needs to be competitively strong? I, for once, care more about cool and/or cute designs more than competitive viability.

>>58298766
>Why does Bug type needs to be competitively strong?
It doesn't. It just needs to be a bit better than "bottom-of-the-barrel dogshit", which is what it currently is. But every time you so much as suggest this, you'll get autists shitting their diapers and thinking we want Bug type to become top-tier when only underaged retards would actually want that.

>>58298572
>>58298765
stop pretending you play the game

>>58298785
psychic is the least used tera type in VGC. therefore it's objectively the worst type in the game, as there are basically no pokemon that wish they were psychic type for any reason whatsoever.

>>58298766
It doesn't need to be OP at all or even great in comp. Just make it better. Get rid of Fairy and Ghost attack weakness. None of those 2 should resist bug.

>>58298814
Tera is mostly a defensive gimmick, so of course Psychic is among the least used.
That doesn't mean that the Psychic type itself is the worst.

>>58298679
>Steel and Dark are broken because they are really good!
You don't play the game, campaignshitter.

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>>58298814
retardbro…

>>58298843
And where did I say that?

>>58298822
I agree Fairy should be weak to bug. It would be an amazing piece of balance - the new type that is strong against the strongest type (Dragon) and weak to the weakest (Bug).

But I still don't think it's a "fix". In fact, it wouldn't change shit. Bug is a better type for me because Heracross, Scyther, Scizor, Pinsir, Centiskorch, Orbeetle, etc are rad Pokémons while most of Fairy types aren't.

Though, I think I understand the sentiment. You guys want the cool type to have stronger (not necessarily strongest) options. I just wouldn't call it a fix. Doesn't matter how broken Fairy types are, they aren't better than Bug, Dragon, Ghost, Fire, etc.

>>58298837
>Pretending like it isn't mediocre offensively as well

>>58298837
>psychic is objectively the worst defensive type in the game
>it's also shit offensively, basically just fairy but worse
so where does the type have merit then

>>58298873
>I can’t remember any mechanics outside of when the “it’s super effective” text shows on the screen so that means it’s not good offensively

>>58298859
To add to the examples, I am trying to think of cool fairy types. Most of the better ones are from old gens (Gardevoir line, Clefairy line, Togepi line, Jigglypuff line).

From the Pokémon born as fairy types, of the top of my head: Sylveon is nice (though any Eeveelutions is bound to be popular), Flabébé and Floette are cute (not their ugly final form) and the Tapus are awesome (but most Legendaries are amd the Tapus aren't exactly postcards for Fairy types). Another one that is cool is the Rimbombee line... but it is also Bug type.

Anyways, Bug is better than Fairy and they should start trying to make better Fairy types from now on.

>>58298878
le Indeedee Psychic Terrain is the final cope of psyshitters

>>58298878
>I-IT’S FAIRY BUT WORSE!!!
252+ SpA Gardevoir Moonblast vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 190-225 (49.6 - 58.7%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO (1 target)
252+ SpA Gardevoir Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow in Psychic Terrain: 234-276 (61 - 72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (2 targets)

>bug does neutral damage to fairy, fighting, and ghost
>bug is now resisted by rock

This buffs rock defensively, and makes logical sense. Ghosts, fairies and "fighting" don't exist so there is no logic to any of their resistances, Gamefreak just made bug weak to them arbitrarily.
Now bug is actually not bad offensively, and rock is now a desirable type defensively to counter bugs.

>>58298879
Yeah we already know you're a campaignshitter from your posts

>>58298885
It's Fairy but worse and you just proved it without realizing

>>58298884
>it's good because of one pokemon
yeah, that's a classic. might as well say bug is a good type because volcarona sees some use in VGC.

>>58298459
Give it a passive like how Grass is immune to powder moves or Dark is immune to Prankster. Bugs could be made immune to redirection (you can distract or mind game a mindless bug).

>>58298853
Am I to believe that these are the most commonly used teratypes? This is just about the opposite of what I thought. I am super skeptical of this unless there's context I'm missing.

I don't think I've ever seen tera dragon used. I've only seen tera bug for gimmicks like lokix. MAYBE volcarona. Psychic maybe gets used for expanding force spammers. Electric i feel like I almost never see, it has awful defenses.

Meanwhile I see tera ghost all the time.

>>58298459
bug is pretty bad in a vacuum, but it's much worse because in reality, a lot of the pokemon that are bug type are incredibly bad and still would be if they were other types.

>>58298873
>>58298878
>pretending I said that Psychic was good
It is mediocre indeed, but at least it is not walled by seven mostly common types like Bug is (Fairy, Steel, Ghost, Flying, Fire...). It is literally so much easier to wall Bug than Psychic, even when Dark exists.
Bug's type advantages aren't great either, aside maybe from Dark (but only if the target isn't a dual type with one of the seven types, like Incineroar lmfao).
Bug's ONLY saving grace is its resistance to Ground. That's it. Meanwhile Psychic can at the very least hit most types for neutral.

>>58298885
>>I-IT’S FAIRY BUT WORSE!!!
Kinda true. All the best Psychic types were part Fairy. Gardevoir, Tapu Lele, Hatterene, Espathra's choice of Terrastalizing being Fairy lol.

>>58298903
It's showing the tera types less common than Psychic. Expanding Force users will sometimes run tera Psychic for the STAB boost. It also sees use on Ttar sometimes when on a Psychic Terrain team instead of Flying.

>>58298894
>campaignshitter doesn’t understand how numbers work
kek

>>58298853
Source?

>>58298482
rock

>>58298482
bug easily

>>58298459
>fairy no longer resists bug
>poison no longer resists bug
>ghost no longer resists bug
>bring back pre-nerf explosion in singles. Forretress is back baybee!
>Bring back pursuit. Lokix can now learn pursuit
>Shedinja now has a new ability that grants sturdy + klutz
>Vespiquen gets its old moves back and a shiny new ability
>mega Drapion
>Yanmega now learns quiver dance
>Leavanny now has sharpness and victory dance
>mega Escavalier and mega Accelgor
>Vikavolt now has huge power but for speed
>Golisopod now has a new ability since first impression isn't unique to it anymore
>stone axe has much higher base power
>Slither Wing also learns victory dance
Cut the unecessary resistances and make the bugs better. Seriously, why do seven fucking types resist bug?

They all have their place. Love the lil bug guys. OP has no taste.

>>58298459
Idk but I kinda wanna post pictures of dead puppies

>>58298482
How is it not Rock? At least Bug had some niche use for tera. Rock has shit

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>>58298765
Shout out to Cresselia for being the queen of VGC for ages despite being mono-Psychic.

>>58298482
I think Rock is a bit worse, since it has serious consistency issues thanks to the lower accuracy of its moves.

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>>58298630
>Some types were just weaker - Normal

>>58298572
And the only moves with unconditional 100BP or higher are signature moves for legendaries.

>>58299361
Are dead puppies bug type?

>>58299391
True, fairy does suck

>>58299375
>How is it not Rock?
Rock is actually able to KO things, for one.

>>58299390
Sorry bud, Persian, Dodrio, Chansey, Tauros, Snorlax, and Kangaskhan don't count because they don't fit my arbitrary criteria. Guess I win again!

>>58298766
>I, for once, care more about cool and/or cute designs more than competitive viability.
I have good news for you. These are not mutually exclusive.
The type chart could be changed completely, and every Pokemon with a design you like will keep having a design you like.

>>58298853
>Bug is the least common when Incineroar exists
>Electric is the second least common when Miraidon exists
Where the fuck are you getting these numbers from?

>>58298853
>Still hasn't posted source

>>58298693
>those were actually good additions that made sense in the lore and fixed one specific issue (Psychic being busted).
But I thought it was OK for types to be imbalanced? Why did Psychic need to be fixed if it was a type that was meant to be strong?

>>58298878
Basically just Psychic Terrain and Expanding Force. To be fair, an effectively 156 BP STAB spread move with no drawbacks is nothing to sneeze at. But it does mean that the type is almost entirely carried on Indeedee's back.

Oh, and both Calyrex forms are also Psychic-type. They'd probably both prefer to not be, since Ice Rider never uses its Psychic STAB and Shadow Rider doesn't like having two 4x weaknesses. But they are both undeniably Psychic-type.

>>58298459
Give it the Dark resistance Steel lost in Gen 6. Something something Bugs are too alien in thinking for Dark to fool/a lot of Bugs live in Dark places/come out at night

>>58298572
Always thought Psychic-types should be immune to the Confusion status (except if self-inflicted). Also give em a version of Freeze-Dry called "Exorcise" that is SE against Ghosts but will fail if used on a non Ghost type

>>58299797
When your stats are that good, your typing really starts to matter less and less. Zacian barely even cared about its fairy typing in either direction when it was at its peak in Gen 8.

>>58298859
Why are you AI posting?

You guys ever notice how every pokemon ripoff that uses a "balanced" type chart is terrible?

>>58298712
>strong Normal in gen 1
>Persian with an effective 140 stab move in crit slash
>Game just gives you Snorlax
>Kangaskhan is a decent alternative to Tauros
>Chancey is another phat wall with busted Special
>Even the fucking Rats are low key broken thanks to Hyper Fang
Was more than just Tauros. I still think you're right about the balancing though.

>strong bugs in gen 2
Heracross is stupidly good too, and even without trades Scyther is great. And you can get both really early in the game.

we are bad because of association with the Misstah

I've solo'd Saffron with a Bug back then in the Best Gen
I've raped Sabrina with a Scyther

>>58301199
No but you don't get it all Bugs were supposed to be le bad or something

>>58298630
Normal was the second strongest type in the game back in the day.

>>58298482
Rock has historically been an offensive powerhouse after its normal resist was no longer needed. Even today, rock slide is one of the best attacks in doubles.

I honestly don’t know. One of the issues that people don’t talk about much is that its defensive profile is way too compromised.
>it resists Ground and Fighting? Doesn’t matter because they aren’t super effective against either and they’ll kill you with Stone Edge/Rock Slide anyways
>SE against Dark and Psychic? Pointless because bugs can’t actually switch into these types and anyone and everyone just gets U-turn anyways
Seriously, what do you even do with this type?

>>58298459
The fairy type was retarded and the final nail in the coffin for bugs. Absolutely retarded by GF. Their relationship should be inverted.

>>58298630
>Back in the early gens, the types weren’t “balanced,” and that was the beauty of it
stopped reading here. you have a wallnut for a brain

bug is a campaign-type. you're not supposed to use it in comp at all. comp is for water, fire, grass, ground, fighting, dark, ghost, steel, and electric (the good types) to go at it and duke it out.

>>58301465
oh and fairy and dragon too of course, I forgot those

>>58299848
>Always thought Psychic-types should be immune to the Confusion status (except if self-inflicted). Also give em a version of Freeze-Dry called "Exorcise" that is SE against Ghosts but will fail if used on a non Ghost type
You are amazing.