For instance why Caterpie and Weedle before Pidgey and Rattata? Route 1 comes before Viridian forest. In other gens the shitty bird/rodent are rightfully placed first.This is not a gen 1 thread, feel free to point out and discuss any curious and or questionable Pokedex positions that stand out for one reason or another.
DLC was a mistake
>>58300618I remember the Johto dex in GS having the Pikachu family near the beginning even though you couldn't get them until after the credits roll. Makes me wonder if it was meant to be an early encounter that got moved once they added Kanto.
Not about the exact positions but the random azurill and wynaut randomly tacked on a dex with no other crossgen connections just feels wrong. Not that I hate them but I would have been perfectly fine if those two were cut
>>58300652Either that or they were considered early on before being shoved out of the distribution equation entirely to entice players to use the Time Machine, seeing as how the only way to get the Light Ball in GSC was to trade over your starter Pikachu from Yellow.
>>58300645Really should've had it go;> Poltchageist> Sinistcha> Dipplin> Hydrapple> Archaludon> Walking Wake> Gouging Fire> Raging Bolt> Iron Leaves> Iron Boulder> Iron Crown> Okidogi> Munkidori> Fezandipiti> Pecharunt> Ogerpon> TerapagosThere was no reason to just completely fuck up the ordering especially on Dipplin & Hydrapple when both DLCs were clearly planned together, hell given the main game probably could've had it all integrated together there instead. When Gen IV withheld the cross-gen evolutions for Platinum they still had the national dex such that the legendaries came after the regular Pokemon, if it was done today it'd go;> Snover> Abomasnow> Weavile> Uxie> Mesprit> Azelf> Dialga> Palkia> Manaphy> Rotom> Gliscor> Probopass> Gallade> Licklicky> Leafeon> Glaceon> Togekiss> Magnezone> Tangrowth> Yanmega> Rhyperior> Dusknoir> Porygon-Z> Electivire> Magmortar> Mamoswine> Froslass> Giratina> Heatran> Regigigas> Cresselia> Phione> Darkrai> Shaymin> Arceus
>>58300667Or added in Gen 4 with the other babies
>>58300618Starters are the weirdest to me, they're gift pokémon that don't belong in the region, why do they take the first spots
>>58300746because they're the first pokemon you get retard
>>58300746Pokedex positions are roughly tied to the order they appear, though gen 1 probably bends this tendency more than other gens
>>58300618why are venomoth and butterfree swapped
>>58300618>venomoth and butterfree swappedKill yourself retard>>58300827Because OP is a faggot retard who loves being wrong and is clueless about game development
>>58300827OP keeps posting this image so people will ask what you just asked. He's been doing it for about 2 years.
>>58300618Butterfree-Venomoth should be green and Venomoth-Butterfree should be purple
>>58300778Bullshit retard, you get only one of the starters and dont encounter the others until you manage to get them via trade then evolve them which could take fuck knows how long.
>>58300618Both the beginning and end of the Johto Dex having Baby mons. Mainly because I started with Crystal that had the Odd Egg
A third of gen 4’s pokedex being a chunk of evolutions that come after the box art legedaries is weird. But then again, so is a lot of the decisions in gen 4
>>58301249>which could take fuck knows how long.Before the first badge in most games
>>58300618why is snorlax in the last
>>58300618Caterpie represents the baseline, the purest form of Pokemon's bug catching roots, and the purest form of evolution.Pidgey and Rattata were probably placed in route 1 to give the player a flying type, to teach type advantages, and also give them a strong neutral attacker. Caterpie is supposed to be weak, in order to teach players the benefit of evolution. But that means Caterpie makes for a poor 'first catch'. If it was ever planned for Route 1, then it was likely changed for better balancing
>>58301292He was one of the stronger pkmn in gen 1
>>58301292Strongest gift mon
>>58301292Eevee, porygon, omanyte, kabuto, aerodactyl and snorlax are all limited only obtainable through special means.
>>58301292The end of the Pokedex are species are species with unusual. Ditto and Eevee are genetic anomalies, Porygon is digital code, the fossils are extinct. Snorlax, as described in RBY, "returned to the mountains". It's almost bigfoot-esque. At the very least, it gives context for why Snorlax isn't found in Kanto's wild. It's from some mysterious mountains.
Always thought it was aesthetically weird that Landorous is separated from Thundurus and Tornadus. Same thing with Kyurem being separated from Reshiram and Zekrom
>>58301270>Gen 1: Just stop before getting the first badge and find someone who is willing to give you their only starter or wants to start over bro!>Gens 2-3: Just stop before getting the first badge and find someone who has gotten up to breeding and is willing to trade you a starter they bred just for you bro!>Gens 4-5: Just stop before getting the first badge and spend weeks sitting on GTS searching for a starter that can be traded with an early routemon and not Dialga/Reshiram bro!>Gen 6-9: Just stop before getting the first badge and roll the dice catching and trading shitmons with wonder/surprise trade and hope you get a starter before you run out of money and need to reset bro!
>>58300618Oddish + Bellsprout and Vulpix + Growlithe should be next to each other. Also they could have put Mime before Jynx and Scyther after Pinsir.
>>58301292static encounter
>>58301330>Take a small break to trade with your friendsYes?>weeks>GTS>wonder/surprise tradeWhy would I do any of this when I can get in guaranteed much sooner?
>>58301330Not the person/people you are arguing with but why are you acting so obtuse when obviously you can(have to) choose one of the starters right at the start? The game is obviously not gonna account for which starter you picked and adjust the number and placement of the other ones just because you didn't pick them, the point is that you are very much able to acquire them at the start, just not at the same time in the same playthrough.
>>58300778Ok but they're not native of the region, neither is Mr.Mime and the onion duckI know that it's just a shitty old game and that's why it works like that, but it still feels wrong
>>58301343>Resetting your whole game to give your "friend" your only starter then playing the whole game again to get back to where you were is a "small break">Having to spend time getting up to where you can start breeding then finding a mon to breed that mon with (which is usually a Ditto a mon that is usually encountered later if the starters are male which is the case with most starters) so your "friend" can get a mon is a "small break"Kek, before the first badge, sure bro
>>58300618Dratini, Dragonair, and Dragonite sandwiched between the legendary birds and Mewtwo always felt odd to me. I don't think any other pseudo-legendary line does that, either.
>>58301372>before the first badge, sure broThanks for agreeing.
>>58301384Sorry for your comprehension issues. Concession accepted
>>58301360>the point is that you are very much able to acquire them at the start, just not at the same time in the same playthrough.Exactly, which means you cannot consistently encounter all three at the start of the game so it doesn't make sense to have them all at the start since the only playthrough that matters is your own and you're going to have these massive gaps right at the start throughout your whole playthrough until you can get the others through trade which could be way after you become champion.
>>58300618Noivern is the last Pokémon in Kalos dex before legendaries
>>58301330You’re not supposed to have all three starters at the beginning of the game you’re supposed to choose one and not have access to the others. Are you being retarded on purpose because that’s like the first decision you make in every game
>>58301367Fanfiction. Their location is unknown, that's it. Doesn't mean they are not native to the region.>>58301381Dragonite line was meant to be so special they literally designed an entire type(that resists the starter types) for it. It's the ace of the final boss(until the twist) for a reason.
>>58301401Positioning them at the end would be infinitely dumber because you do get one of them that would be completely out of place. Why am I even entertaining this bait
>>58301405You must be trying to be retarded on purpose to not get that the Pokedex number system is static for everyone despite what choices people make in the games. Regardless of which starter you choose there is going to be mons right at the start of dex that aren't attainable at all until much later (if ever). Your playthrough is only universe that counts and having these massive holes in your dex despite you "having to complete the dex" is dumb because right at the start you already have a bunch of mons you can never find naturally outside of trading with someone from a parallel universe who picked a different starter to you.
>>58300746>they're gift pokémon that don't belong in the region, why do they take the first spotsthey do belong in the region, except in the legends arceus case but it would've been weird/lame if they had no entries
>>58301426It would make more sense than having them at the start when you cant even trade yet. Plus Pokedexes have categories - they can easily have a section for "starters" when you can skip right to viewing them at the end.
>>58301427The pokedex is not something trainers all around are walking around with, it's literally an Oak invention given exclusively to his grandkid and his rival, that's it.>But other gamesRetcon. In gen 1 it's also not some grand worldwide tradition for pokemon researchers to give young trainers a choice between a grass/water/fire starter, oak literally tells you it's just the pokemon he has left in his old age.
>>58301450>The pokedex is not something trainers all around are walking around withHoly shit, you really are retarded. He literally gives you a device to carry around with you anon. Have you even played a single Pokemon game?>In gen 1 it's also not some grand worldwide tradition for pokemon researchers to give young trainers a choice between a grass/water/fire starter, oak literally tells you it's just the pokemon he has left in his old age.Not the point, the point is that you get to choose between three mons some of which you will never ever encounter, much less catch, during the whole game sitting right at the start as massive holes in your dex.
>>58301450>oak literally tells you it's just the pokemon he has left in his old age.>gives you the pokedex to complete>keeps the third starter to himself so even if the boys work together they can't complete the dexstupid senile bastard, he should've known the bulbasaur species had gone extinct and he had the only remaining live specimen
>>58301462Oak made the dex. Oak is gonna give the dex to the two pallet kids. Oak is gonna offer the two pallet kids a choice between the 3 pokemon he has left as their first ever pokemon. Naturally his Pokedex will start with thoseMoreover, before other gens made the starters this super unique spechul exclusive thing, plenty of other random gen 1 trainers have the starter pokemon so some of those gaps will indeed be filled throughout the journey
>>58301427See I would agree with you, but at the start of the series there actually a huge emphasis on trading with friends in this “parallel universe” outside of your game. It’s not an oversight, the social aspect of the game is there by design. By your logic there are also multiple other gaps in the pokedex you’d have because there are multiple trade evolutions. Not to mention version exclusives, fossils, etc.What point are you even trying to make? That you can’t complete the pokedex on your own without external help? Correct, that’s part of the game.
>>58301391Concession that you can get starters easily before the first gym? Yup.
>>58301466Anon at least 2 of the celadon gym trainers and an elite trainer in victory road have an Ivysaur.That's at the top of my head there may be more even
>>58301479>Oak made the dex. Oak is gonna give the dex to the two pallet kids. Oak is gonna offer the two pallet kids a choice between the 3 pokemon he has left as their first ever pokemon. Naturally his Pokedex will start with thoseNot necessarily. Pikachu and Eevee were the starters in Yellow and they weren't first in the Pokedex. As such, there was no need to put the three starters first, especially if the trainer's goal was to complete it as they went along which would be impossible to start with as they could only obtain one starter, leaving gaps at the start that would never be filled and make the Professor look like a troll or an idiot (especially when he has positioned most of the other mons pretty closely to where you would encounter them, including even Mewtwo sitting right at the end, a Pokemon the vast majority of people never even knew of).
>>58301494yeah I'm just joking around>an elite trainer in victory road have an Ivysaur.holy fuck how do you get to victory road but not have evolved your ivysaur these guys suck not that I can judge, I used a bagon for the entirety of violet's base game
>>58301487>After the first gym in others' games that allows before the first gym in your gameNope
>>58301403it is the last kalos native mon you find in a playthrough before you get access to zygarde forsome weird reason I feel like noibat could've been earlier>>58301494>>58301495actually venusaur is the one kanto starter you might miss in a playthrough since there isnt a VR trainer with them unlike charizard and blastoisewhich is weird
>>58301506>After the first gym in others' games Never needed that. Spoken like someone who’s never actually tried this this
>>58301513Okay so how do you breed mons before the first gym anon?
>>58301518the ol' fashioned way
>>58301495>Pikachu and Eevee were the starters in Yellow Retcon. As if they ever knew they were ever expecting to make such a hit game it would spawn an anime show that would justify adapting into a fourth version rerelease. Again, theres a male junior trainer with a squirtle, a female junior trainer with a bulbasaur and a pokemaniac with a charmander. Starters were never meant to be this super rare exclusive thing, if you find beat all in-game trainers you will see them all except for Venusaur(and only if you pick Charmander duh)
>>58300618Goldeen/Seaking being as high up as they are make them seem almost more important/good than they actually are.
>>58301482>By your logic there are also multiple other gaps in the pokedex you’d have because there are multiple trade evolutions. Not to mention version exclusives, fossils, etc.Those mons aren't at the very start of the dex though. You're going to encounter Rattata, Pidgey and potentially other mons like Nidoran before you can even get to the trade center. Then you'll have to find someone who is willing to part with their only starter. This may never happen as breeding wasn't a thing in gen 1 so you could be well into the game (or even finished it) before you find someone who is willing to trade over their starter, which doesn't line up at all with when you encounter them. At least the other version-exclusive mons are positioned a bit further into the dex to give some leeway for having to find someone to trade with versus where you are at in the dex completion.
>>58301525>Retcon.Nope it's just as much part of Gen 1 as Red and Blue and shows immediately that starters don't need to be first in the dex. At least they actually make the starters attainable in that game despite their odd positioning at start compared to when you actually encounter them.
>>58301549>Retcon.>Nope it's just as much part of Gen 1 as Red and Blue and shows immediately that starters don't need to be first in the dex.Any slight doubt that you werent pointlessly arguing in bad faith has now vanished. Have a nice day
>>58301532Okay, so you’re just upset with the fact that those slots in the pokedex are empty for most of the game. Got it
>>58301567>Gives up and leavesThank you for your concession.
>>58301568It's a thread about weird Pokemon positions anon, of course it's weird to have the starting slots empty most/if not all of the game
>>58301578Trainers with Bulbasaur, Squirtle and Charmander in route 6, 9 and rock tunnel
Stop replying to the baiter
>>58301592>Need to venture well into the game to fill starting spots with seen>Still can't catch them
>>58301578But it’s not weird at all. Most Pokemon appear in the dex at the earliest point in the game that you can conceivably obtain them while playing through it. All starters are at the beginning because that’s when you’re able to get them. Not when you can get EACH. I thought that was pretty straightforward knowledge.
>>58301249>and dont encounter the othersLiterally the first thing that happens after you get your first Pokemon is you fight your rival and see another. Granted it isn't added to your Pokedex because that battle happens before it, but you see it right fucking there.
>>58301601Stop replying for fuck sake. You're feeding him for no reason
>>58301613True. Should no better than replying to someone arguing against the most basic aspects of the game
>>58300667Where's Slugma and Skarmory?
>>58301601>All starters are at the beginning because that’s when you’re able to get them.You can't get all of them at the start of the game though, that's the whole point. Pick one starter and the other spots are empty as they're now impossible to obtain without venturing well into the game after encountering other mons first. Therefore it's strange to put them all first in the Pokedex. Would be better to just have the one you got first in the dex, then the other pushed to later/the end so it aligns closer to when you actually encounter them in the game.
So, this retard complaining about the starters really hijacked what could have been an interesting thread.
>>58301612>SeenOkay but not caught. And what about the third starter?
>>58301636Then stop feeding this faggot. Just ignore the baiter.
>>58301632>it’s better to have three different versions of the pokedexOkay retard
>>58301646Nope, just three rotating positions for the starters depending on which you select. No need to change up the whole Pokedex for that.
>>58301269Gonna try to bring the thread back on topic by pointing this out again. But the more I think about it I guess the Gen 4 dex is so fucked because they decided the new evolutions that take up most of the dex should be post game content in DP.
>>58300618Seel is too soon when it only shows up in Seafoam. I wonder if some of these placements were semirandom or if they actually reflect a point of the game's development where the pokemon locations were different
Always found it weird how Magikarp is so late in the kanto dex despite being able to find it pretty early on. Wonder if it's because of Gyarados possibly originally being planned as a separate strong mon / legendary-tier mon to be encountered later before slapping Magikarp on as a pre-evo or something...
>>58301734I like that it hints at Magikarp's potential to be an extremely powerful mon. When you get it/see it it early on it makes you wonder why it's not lumped with the bunch of other schmucks you've been dealing with
>>58301656which starter gets to be the one pictured first in the full dex wall poster merc?
>>58300618I think rather than location or stats, the entries are primarily organized by evolution. Earlier evos are towards the beginning, late evos are towards the end and special evos, like stones or trade, are sprinkled in between. You get Butterfree at level 10, Pidgeotto at 18 and Raticate at 20 so the lines are in that order.
>>58302074No, this does not hold up at all
>>58302200Lv 16 Ivysaur Charmeleon WartortleLv 7 Metapod KakunaLv 18 PidgeottoLv 20 Ratticate FearrowLv 22 ArbokStone RaichuLv 22 Sandlash Lv 16 Nidorina NidorinoStone Clefable Ninetales WigglytuffLv 22 GolbatLv 21 GloomLv 24 ParasectLv 31 Venomoth Lv 26 DugtrioLv 28 Persian Lv 33 Golduck Lv 28 PrimeapeStone ArcanineLv 25 Poliwhril Lv 16 Kadabra Lv 28 Machoke Lv 21 Weepinbell Lv 30 Tentacruel Lv 25 Graveler Lv 40 RapidashLv 37 SlowbroLv 30 MagnetonNo evo Farfetch’d Lv 31 DodrioLv 34 DewgongLv 38 MukStone CloysterLv 25 HaunterNo evo OnixLv 26 Hypno Lv 28 KinglerLv 30 ElectrodeStone Exeggutor Lv 28 MarowakNo evo Hitmonlee Hitmonchan LickitungLv 35 WeezingLv 42 RhydonNo evo Chansey Tangela KangaskhanLv 32 SeadraLv 33 Seaking Stone Starmie No evo Mr mime Scyther Jynx Electabuzz Magmar Pinsir TaurosLv 20 GyaradosNo evo Lapras DittoStone EeeveeNo evo PorygonLv 40 Omastar KabutopsNo evo Aerodactyl Snorlax Articuno Zapdos MoltresLv 30 Dragonair No evo Mewtwo MewI was mostly going by vibes but it holds up more than it should. Other than the starters, Dratini and the lines with special evo conditions, it does seem to follow a level progression. The only real outliers are Venomoth, Golduck, Rapidash, Slowbro and Gyarados.
>>58301642I wasn't the one giving her (you)'s. But I agree.
>>58301325Trying to put the thread back on track.I don't remember those games that well. Was there a reason they are separated like this? Both lore-wise and mechanic-wise?
>>58302572>The only real outliers are Venomoth, Golduck, Rapidash, Slowbro and Gyarados.And Muk... And Rhydon...Plenty of times where the pokemon that comes after evolves at a lower level.The "trend" you see comes down to the fact that pokemon down the line are placed at late locations and are therefore found at higher levels so they have higher evolution levels to match(and why most single stages are late game). Correlation =/= causation. It's why Pokemon like Magikarp defies this trend, since you can get a level 5 Magikarp they are not gonna make you train it till like level 35, 20 is enough torture. Early mons(the bug families especially) are meant to teach you about evolution and since they are weak they make up for it by evolving to stronger mons that are useful early but are likely to be discarded as more powerful pokemon becomes more readily available. After Cerulean there's no more places you can find Caterpies and Weedles, meanwhile Rattatas and Pidgey are still thrown at you all the way through the mid game(at higher levels) so evolution doesn't have to be that rapid.Anyway, the point is, they decided on the pokemon locations and adjusted their evolution level accordingly not the other way around, they didn't arbitrarily set the the level at which the Pokemon evolve and then organized them based on who evolves at a lower level.
>>58303498Of course the levels were balanced around gameplay. I never implied otherwise. All I was saying is that the dex order follows the level more than it does location.
How has no one mentioned Victini yet?
>>58300618Remember, the Pokedex is a device invented by Professor Oak. Any problems can be passed off as a glitch or him encountering a pokemon before another pokemon, although I suppose it is weird. It doesn't exactly make sense, but it is best explained as started from Oak's perspective and finalized by the player.
As we grow apart from the original games, I think it gets weirder and wierder how Mewtwo comes AFTER Mew.
>>58303852Like with people who have issues with the two Nidoran being separate pokemon, it's a you problem
>>58300618i always thought it was odd that pseudos came after the nonbox legendaries. snorlax being right before them is also kinda weird
>>58300618I know this isn't a gen 1 pic but looking at that pic makes me realize just how good we had it
>>58300618This makes me wonder if tangela was intended to be a safari mon
This is probably the most autistic thread up on the board at the moment
>>58303866No, it's not. How it makes any sense that the clone that came after a known mythological Pokémon is in front of it in the Dex. If you don't know the context of Mew being a late inclusion to the game, it wouldn't make any sense. It doesn't have an internal explanation in game.
>>58300618Mewtwo before mew famously
>>58300645This triggers me so fucking muchWhy do they have to put Dipplin and Hydrapple separate if they knew they were releasing the evolution 1 dlc later
>>58300618I find it strange that Magikarp is in the back with the rest of the special encounters. I wonder if they planned the salesman to be the only source of Magikarp before changing their minds.
>>58306256Mewtwo is out there in Kanto, there's no trace of Mew. You don't need to know the context of "Mew being a late addition", what you do know is that Mewtwo is the final post game boss while if not for the glitches Mew would be unavailable for most players and it's acquisition has no actual world context in the game, it's just a bonus thing handed to you like a normal trade. You don't need to catch Mew to be awarded the diploma by Tajiri in the Celadon mansion.It would be wrong for most people to have that permanent gap in their pokedex.
>>58306256>>58306275It makes sense that the mirage pokemon is after the one who is confirmed to exist. Gen 1 Mew is pretty much a playground rumor even in game. Mewtwo is sitting in a guarded cave. Of course Mewtwo got "discovered" first.
>>58301714The ID(hex maybe?) numbers of a lot of mobs are way out of wack. You can tell that stuff was added to the game basically at random through development and the Dex was just sort of figured out later.
>>58306301Honestly that's what it should've been>scammer sells you this super rare and powerful Mon>it turns out to be shit>if you put significant time and effort into Magikarp anyway it will eventually evolve to a super powerful MonWhen you can just catch Magikarp anywhere and evolve it easily, it cheapens the concept behind it>>58306326>>58306325Come to think of it, wonder if it would've made more sense the other way around. >Mew, ancestor of all Pokemon, is the ancient and scary superboss in the final dungeon. >Mewtwo, the fresh clone, is the cute and innocent one who nobody can ever find.
>>58307136>Mew, ancestor of all PokemonRevisionism, not part of the original game>Mewtwo, the fresh clone, is the cute and innocent one who nobody can ever find.Literally defies everything we know about it in game. Product of genetic engineering so powerful it's creator cannot contain it, burns down the mansion and escapes.Have you ever even played the game?
>>58300618it seems weird they put the dragonite line between the legendary birds and mewtwo and mew
>Tornadus>Thundurus>Reshiram>Zekrom>Landorus>KyuremIs the first to come to my mind. Why are the genies split up? Should be>Tornadus>Thundurus>Landorus>Reshiram>Zekrom>Kyurem
>>58306325This is not an ingame explanation. I am aware of gow it makes sense mechanically. What's the lore behind it?
>>58307282It highlights that they are the third "more important" part of the trio. It's not a Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres situation where everyone has equal weight, it's a Groudon/Kyogre pair duo + Rayquaza thing.(Yes I'm aware the hoenn legends come one after the other but they didn't have 2 separate duo+mediator trios to format it that way)
>>58300645Cursed
>>58303677You can't have a starter shitmon next to the GOD of Pokemon
>>58300618You'll evolve the Caterpie or Weedle you caught in Viridian Forest before you'd get a Raticate or Pidgeotto.
>>58300667They were two of the earliest shown off for Gen 3, they might only be in the final game out of obligation.
I can't believe no one has talked about this one yet:>Karrablast and Escavalier: #588 and #589>Shelmet and Accelgor: #616 and #617Why is there a giant gap between these two?They're counterparts. Shouldn't they be right next to each other?
>>58308568Are they found in the same area?
>>58300618Gen 4 is horrible in terms of that
>>58301381Baxcalibur (and Gholdengo) do that
>>58309333Yes. And are requires for the other's evolution.
>>58306339Where can I check this?
>>58309914https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_index_number_in_Generation_I
Pokedex numbers were always nonsense. Why is Chinchou the 18th Johto Pokémon when you don't get the good rod until way later? And you're sooner to encounter almost every other water type in the region. Not to mention all the infamous Pokémon you don't encounter until Kanto.
>>58307282Wouldn't this be a case where they're actually following appearance order? Reshiram and Zekrom are the last things you see before post game and there won't be a blank Landorus slot that players try figuring out what it's supposed to be before beating the game.
>>58309922>PokemonDude he(you?) said mobs, I thought he was talking about the in-game trainers
>>58300645whats even more of mistake is how shit like iron leaves and walking wake are exclusive raids only meaning if you didnt get them youre fucked
>>58310259initial post in the chain was about seel so I assumed it was about pokemonI have no idea about trainers/their pokemon are stored in data
>>58300618Togepi should've been 152
>>58300746>>58301249>>58301270>>58301612Starters being first makes sense if you realize every pokedex is a pet project from the professors and they have a clear bias for having all three of them as some kind of test subjects every region
>>58303279>>58301325We know from the leaks that Giratina was *not* originally conceived of at the same time as what would be dialga/palkia were. Giratina was designed later, so it could be that GF just always makes a duo first and then settles on figuring out the third in a "trio cover" for games not named RSE
I have one that is weird.In your guys opinions, should regional forms have their own dex number. It feels weird to me that, for example, Marowak and Alolan Marowak are just the same dex number when they are actually different Pokémon practically speaking.I also think they should have had different names to differenciate from their original forms. Like: "hey, player, in Kanto you guys had Sandshrew, right? Here, they became this new version. Foreigners call them Alolan Sandshrew but we call them Whateverthename. Neat, huh?
>>58310602If anything it's a lot worse that there's shit like a literal Jiggylpuff with extra bits called Scream Tail that's number #1XXX instead of an alternate form
>>58310602Yes, I’ve always wanted this to be the case. It’s absolutely my own autism, though, and makes me feel like they’re actually adding to the new Pokemon count in new games. The small Alola Dex would’ve felt larger if the regionals were individually numbered/named.
>>58303677>>58307806Victini is at the end of gen 5 National Dex, you fucking idiots. The regional dex means nothing.
>>58310730>It’s absolutely my own autism, thoughYeah, I sometimes feel the same way, at least with Alola forms.I feel like once they started adding evolutions to regional forms that the original didn't have, it became an actual issue.
>>58310732are you retarded?Arceus is 493Victini is 494Snivy is 495
>>58310602>Foreigners call them Alolan Sandshrew but we call them Whateverthename. Neat, huh?That's a good idea
>>58310602>>58310730>>58310902>>58311027Alolan VulpixSunIt exhales air colder than -58 degrees Fahrenheit. Elderly people in Alola call this Pokémon by an older name—Keokeo.Obviously not the exact thing y'all are talking about, but they definitely got close to it.
>>58310732put me in the screencap
