The original Black and White in many ways
Yep, undeniably the turning point of the series. Gen 5 being the start of a steep, steep decline.
>>58306130>still has exploration>still has good pokemon designs>still doesn't shove cutscenes and tutorials down your throat>added features instead of removing themehhh not really seeing it senpai
How many single stage shitmons did Unova have compared to Hoenn?
>>58306130>region has some sense of exploration and interconnectedness>story events are over and done with in 2 minutes>designs don’t all look like cheap knockoffs >didn’t needlessly lock features like berry growing and secret bases behind a flash game website>gyms use more than 3 pokemon >elite 4 members uses more than 4 pokemon>lasting additions such as abilities and natures that weren’t cut after a gen or two unlike triple battles>blaziken not being an ugly pig ripoff of an ugly monkey ripoffnah
Hoennfags behind every shitpost
>>58306130>>58306140>>58306146>>58306155All me
>>58306130They're both good generations and didn't subject to time gating faggotry? Supremely based.
>>58306146>>still has good pokemon designs>>still doesn't shove cutscenes and tutorials down your throatwrong
>>58306186>They're both good generationsnot really
>>58306146>>58306155>first official dexcut >dex has poor Gen 1&2 variety >4 GBA and 2 Gamecube games needed to complete the National dex (indefensible) >Japan-only event areas >first games to introduce ludicrous distribution (Feebas) >first games to introduce ludicrous evolution methods (Milotic) >first games to set a standard of only 1 region and 8 badges per game >first games to set a standard of no real postgame content >day/night cycle removed >days of the week removed >final Rival battle does not have a full team or fully evolved starter >first games that have a ludicrous story of the player being le chosen one that has to stop Pokegods and a psychotic supervillain from destroying the world >killed Pokemania Gen 3 took so much away and introduced so many problems, it's kind of hard to dispute that they were the start of a downturn, both in terms of quality and popularity.
>>58306203Most of this is a good thing or baggage from GSC no one wanted
>>58306203DELETE THIS
>>58306146>>still doesn't shove cutscenes and tutorials down your throatWhen I first played Ruby, the first thing I noticed is how much longer the story-dump on-rails section of the game felt. In GS, the story dump ends after you deliver the Egg to Elm and get the dex. The game is free of cutscenes from that point (before 1st gym) to Azalea Town (start of 2nd gym).But in RS, the story dump continues after you beat Brendan/May and get the dex, with the Wally catching tutorial in Petalburg, then the Magma/Aqua in the woods, then retrieving the stolen goods for the PokeNav after the beating the gym, and only then does the next stretch of the game continue without constant interruptions (start of 2nd gym).Looking back, RS felt like the start of constant exposition in the series. GS were the only games that felt quick to get the intro part over with and start the unrestricted part of the game as soon as it can. RB is also similar in structure to GS but the linear parts are simply longer compared to GS since Johto's routes and dungeons are physically smaller than RB Kanto.
>>58306130>sequel/third version was a huge improvement over the base game and cemented their generation as a great oneYeah, I can see it.
>>58306130>dude you can't use your bros from the older games, just our ugly nu shitmons that don't look like pokemon lmao
>>58306230It does and you aren't able to remove the phone numbers in the remake
>>58306130There is a reason they sold less than GS and DP in Japan
>>58306242Because Crystal killed Pokemania
>>5830624235% decrease in sales from gen 1 to 2.
>>58306242https://automaton-media.com/en/news/new-top-100-ranking-of-japanese-peoples-favorite-games-dominated-by-domestic-classics-like-mario-and-pokemon-except-for-the-number-one-spot/Hmm, must be the same reason why RS are remembered more fondly in Japan then huh
>>58306254>XY is more popular than HGSSuh oh the reddit zoomers aren’t gonna like this
>>58306254...by gen alpha watching youtubers
>>58306230The initial backtrack quest from New Bark to Route 30 and back is longer than RB's Pallet-Viridian-Pallet and RS's Littleroot-103-Littleroot, but makes up for it by not bothering the player afterwards. RB also doesn't bother you once you finish the backtrack quest, but in GS your options open up sooner once you reach Violet City (1st gym) compared to RB where it's around the point you reach Cerulean City (2nd gym).And no, Elm only calls you twice: first is after you beat the 1st gym to get the Togepi egg from the Pokemon Center, and then after you beat the 7th gym to inform you about the Goldenrod Rocket takeover. HGSS added a lot more unnecessary cutscenes and railroading so there may have been more annoying Elm calls there, but GSC didn't suffer from this issue.
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>>58306254>random poll You can do this with any Gen though, the very website we're on believes GSC are the best games.
>johtimmys are fat, old and bald
>>58306203>first official dexcut>all pokemon were coded in to the game and can be added (or cheated in) and didn't need updates and dlc for itfigures the waifufag has no idea what they're talking about
>>58306274>Diamond & Pearl also beat Ruby & Sapphire in this pollso fvcking bvsed
>>58306254johtoslop isn’t even in the top 100 pokemon games
>>58306288If I cannot catch all 386 Pokemon across Ruby and Sapphire, it is a dexcut. Simple as.
>>58306288>you don’t need a free dlc update>instead you need to buy 5 other games, including ones on entirely separate consoles, and multiple link cableswow what an improvement!
>>58306288>bro you don't need DLC, just 5 other games and three consoles! The absolute state of Hoennkeks
>>58306302How do you catch the Kanto starters with only GS?
>>58306312How do I catch Johto Pokemon in the Johturd region? KEK
>>58306302then every game after Red and Blue is a dexcut by your logic
>>58306203You also needed Pokemon Channel on Gamecube to get Jirachi in Europe, so 7 games in total for Pal regions
>>58306310>more content = badKeek
>>58306312This is a false equivalence because everyone already had RBY and link cables/friends with Gameboys RSE, FRLG and Colosseum/XD were all brand new games that you NEEDED to complete the dex, and in the Gamecube games you can only catch each Pokemon once, so you can't even have your bros over and send them a bunch of Gen 2 mons. Gen 3 was a catastrophe all in all.
>>58306318So according to you DLC is totally fine?
>>58306320>bullshitting about sales and who owned what>moving the goalpostsSo GSC was, by your definition, a dexcut.
>>58306331GSC are the only games in the series that can get away with not being considered a dexcut, because yes, everyone already owned RBY, it sold 45 million copies in total RSE, meanwhile cut the cord between itself and GSC, and is therefore a first true dexcut. Cope and seethe all you want but this is the reality.
oh it's this jackass again
>>58306340>everyone already owned RBYIncorrect seeing how most Johtoddlers started with GS. You did not own RBY.
ruby & sapphire more like cope & dilate
>>58306348Actually I got Yellow for my 7th birthday and used to trade between Yellow and GSC on Pokemon Stadium 2 using the transfer packs. Good times.
>>58306353>fake anecdotal storyI think I've proved my point.
>>58306130Black and White did it better
>>58306274holy dogshit taste
>>58306274>check the site>red and blue above gold and silverummm what happened gscbros?
everyone thinks Skarmory and Magcargo are Hoennmons because the Johturd distribution is so dogshit
>>58306373many people are saying this
>>58306274>/v/'s Top 100 games>/v/Never seen a more worthless top 100 than this
Why is every gen war thread the same?
>>58306274no one listens to /v/, i'd rather believe the random jap poll
>>58306404Actually I caught Skarmory in Silver and trained it 13 levels and it was so go-Just kidding, I made it all up.
>>58306130With just as many roadblocks
>>58306368The poll was not closed on the website, so you can still vote on there - the deadline for the rankings has long since passed and GSC was at the top once the deadline was reached.
>>58306456list them for both games
>>58306150Hoenn>Nosepass>Sableye>Mawile>Plusle>Minun>Volbeat>Illumise>Roselia>Spinda>Zangoose>Seviper>Lunatone>Solrock>Castform>Kecleon>Tropius>Chimecho>Absol>Relicanth>Luvdisc|Unova>Audino>Basculin>Maractus>Sigilyph>Emolga>Alomomola>Cryogonal>Stunfisk>Druddigon>Bouffalant>Heatmor>DurantSo, Unova had 8 less than Hoenn
>>58306557Thank you anon, bless your day.
>>58306415easy (You)s
>>58306130It's true if you think about it
>>58306130The original Black and White
>>58306305>>58306310>posting the same comment on post timer desperation
>>58306348>incorrect seeing how [fanfic]
>>58306246*Gold & Silver
>>58306274/v/ top 100's don't mean much of anything, it's an echochamber of the loudest and most persistent voices who don't really have common traffic with the whole of the userbase/vp/ is less silo'd, we've all played the first 6 gens, we all are capable of arguing about what games have what flaws and perks and how they should be reevaluatedthere's been a dedicated johtoddler posting a johtoddler thread in /v/ daily for a month now, that's an example of the kind of astroturfing that would lead one to assume GSC's old placements in the polls was organic rather than the inertia of ignorant casuals prodded along by relentlessly zealous toddies
>>58306164how does this make sense to post under a clear johtoddler op, gschizo?
>>58306262just ignore all the poketubers saying Garbage/Shoot/Compactor are le good actually
>>58308116>>58308118rent free much?
>>58306315kek
>>58306312>Y-y-y-you have to trade them from a different game....Yeah, thought so.
>>58306557>Hoenndex is so good brosI s2g if Gardevoir didn't exist, Hoenn would be COMPLETELY forgotten
>>58306262Holy shit you fucking owned him LMAO
>>58306130That's gen 1
>>58306262>zoomers like DP, BW, and SV>millennials like RB, GS, and RSwhich way, /tr/ainers?
>>58308149>I s2g if Ga—
>>58308271I'm a millennial and I lime BW and SV
>>58308486
gens 1-4 are when pokemon felt like pokemon. everything after feels like a fanfic fever dream
>>58309121you mean Gen 1 and 2
>>58308425Kill yourself for comparing your childhood digimon to the Kanto starters
>>58309123to a greater extent, sure. but gens 3 and 4 still retain the magic.
Johto janny didn’t like this thread
>>58306203> it's kind of hard to dispute that they were the start of a downturnIt's when the downturn became undeniable, but I'd say the cracks were showing with Crystal and the introduction of Eusine.
>>58309188The magic of catching 50 (expected value) of the same Pokémon until you have the right nature and ability?
>>58309305GSC as a whole just showed Masuda wasn't anywhere near of a trusting or tactful game designer as Tajiri was. Tajiri just let the game shape itself while Masuda forced the game to shape into the identity he wanted it to be. RS is just an extension of being rewarded for his half-measures in GSC by not needing to make a game as ambitious as it. That scrapped Teraleak story of the evil team trying to control Devon Corp from within like Team Rocket is telling in his inability to truly innovate and only remix like the musician he should've remained>>58309307Ability isn't that bad. Nature can be more annoying but they make up for it by having 5 neutral natures which are basically a gimme
>>58306146>added features instead of removing themday night cycle with visual differencesday night music changesnight only encounters and trainerssecond regiontransferring pokemon from an earlier genapricorn ballsmystery giftthe bank of momdaylight savings timemobile phone connection (japanese crystal)
>>58309332Zoomers grew up with Gen III as hand-me-downs, literally everyone else grew out of Pokemon because Masuda made it gay
>>58306203>>first official dexcutHow do I get Charizard in GSC without glitches, cheating, the Time Machine or a limited event?
>>58306203I agree, but>killed pokemania is just objectively wrong
>>58309341How do I get Arcanine in Blue?
>>58309365How do I get the other starters without another game boy, cartridge, and link cable?
>>58309307The magic of being railroaded by asinine roadblocks and having to use 50 different HMs to explore a boring cave.
>>58309373That sounds more like gen 4.
>>58309367How do I get Gengar? The girl asking for a Medicham put an Everstone on her Haunter
>>58309365>>58309367Glitches. You didn't specify "without glitches", so there you go.
>>58309392How do I have fun in Pokemon without glitches?
>>58309377That’s because it is. And Gen 3, too.
>>58309396Be severely autistic.
>>58306288>>all pokemon were coded in to the game and can be added (or cheated in)>It's good because of third party tools and romhackslmao>>58309305>but I'd say the cracks were showing with Crystal and the introduction of Eusine.To be fair this matched Yellow which was more story driven compared to RGB. Had R/S followed suit and established a meaningful tradition they would have been much lighter on the story with Emerald bringing in the heavy plot stuff. Instead we got world ending threats as the standard, to the point that they started shoving it down your throat with the Gen 2 remakes as well.
Nah just joking, only >>58306169 is me. Im trans btw
>>58306203i am a hoennbaby and this post is unironically spot on except the pokemania thing
>>58306203Your first point is the biggest one and turned me off Gen 3 back in the day. Not being able to bring across my bros from Gen 2 was fucking pathetic.
>>58306203trvke
>>58306203All true but I also want to point out that they bothered to make two evil competing teams and still didn't give magma a base until emerald (which of course isn't in oras either)>>58306262>New Horizons >even being on that list for 30s disgusts me.
