>*kills the series*
>makes sneasel playableno.
>>58318907>No longer makes a bunch of pokemon shitmonspiss off contrarian.
>>58318907this but the special split
>>58318912It already was playable.>>58318916Which Pokemon stopped being shitmons thanks to the split?
>>58318918Hitmonchan
>>58318923hitmonchan is still complete dogshit in gen 4
>>58318916Delcatty was always a shitmon
>>58318925git gud
>>58318907Oops, wrong pic
>>58318907Assblasted that someone shittalked fairies again?
>>58318931I don’t think anyone who can’t play the game without the split is any position to tell others to git gud.
>>58318907Thats not trainer customization, roller skates, fairy, and xp shareall agp “features” nintendo mandated be in the games from their zog overlords
>>58318940I can play the game without the split, I just don’t want to
>>58318907>*kills the series*Nah. I mean, gen IV did kill the series, but not because of the split.
letting spergs live was a mistake
>>58318918Crawdaunt
>>58318907t.
I love hiding shit threads :)
>>58319105crawdaunt is still complete dogshit in gen 4
>>58318907I disagree with your opinion. I feel the Move Category system introduced in gen 4 makes much more sense than how before when a Move that isn't a Status Move used Type to determine if it was Special or Physical.
>>58319855it was solid for gens 4, 5, and 6. Just because it's not A+ in OU doesn't mean it's bad.
>>58319900sorry all water pokemon must be special based and all ghost pokemon must be physical basedall the gens 1-3 pokemon with stats that don't match their typing deserve to either rely on tms or just be useless
>>58319910>it was solid for gens 4,no it wasn't
>>58319913>I have to....rely on mechanics in the game? NOOOOOOOO!!!
>>58318907No, that'd be the Special Stat split that neutered every Pokemon except for Mewtwo and Alakazam, the primary mons they were trying to nerf.
>>58319900The fact every single offensive Dark-type move before gen 4 was made physical after the split while the type itself was a special just shows how flawed this system was.
>>58319966All because they didn't want Dark to look like "Ghost but better" despite the fact that's literally what Steel was to Rock.
>>58319937why is relying on mechanics in the game a good thing?
>>58319937>pokemon should totally ignore their level up moves because ... well they just should OK???
>Gen 1Gyarados has an Attack stat of 125 and Special stat of 100. It is most effective using Physical moves, but it is still a quite powerful Special attacker and STAB makes Water moves its most powerful attacking type.>Gen 2Gyarados' Special stat of 100 has been split, and its Special Attack is now only 60. Gyarados relies even more on Physical attacks, with Water being the only Special type worth using due to STAB compensating for the lower Special Attack stat>Gen 3Gyarados' Special Attack stat of 60 might as well be 0, because the change in stat calculation means trainers need to prioritize one offensive stat over the other. Gyarados is now a trade-off, a powerful physical attacker with the disadvantage of not being able to effectively use STAB moves.>Gen 4Gyarados' Special Attack stat is still pointless, but now it can use Physical Attacks of all types so it can use its STAB again.The Physical/Special split was a half-measure. They should have just merged the two attacking stats. A move being Physical/Special could still be the factor to determine whether it checks against Defense or Special Defense.
>>58318907Killed it so hard that it kept going and became far more successful than it was before
>>58320011>They should have just merged the two attacking stats>a Tackle from an Alakazam should hurt more than one from a Machamp
>>58320031Why are you using Tackle by the time you have mons like Alakazam and Machamp?Also, you act like this is a problem when goliath rock snake Onix is less potent in Attack than an electric tick that's a fraction of its size, who's more concerned with using its Special Attack stat anyway.
>>58320042>Why are you using Tackle by the time you have mons like Alakazam and Machamp?it was an example you utter sped>Also, you act like this is a problem when goliath rock snake Onix is less potent in Attack than an electric tick that's a fraction of its size, who's more concerned with using its Special Attack stat anyway.how would merging both attack stats change that? if you pull their single attack stats from their current highest attacking stat, then Joltik would still have more attack than Onix. If you add both their offensive stats together, Joltik would still have more attack than Onix. The solution is to not give pokemon retarded stat spreads, not changing the entire stat system
>>58320031>Pidgey and Onix have the same attack stat>With STAB, Pidgey's Tackle is stronger than Onix's
>>58320042>>58320055>let's change the entire stat system because I can't accept that muh onix isn't le epin powerful like in le animaybring back concentration camps
>>58320058>B-B-BUH MUH ANIMEThe anime invented Onix's canonical average proportions of being 28 feet long and over 450 pounds?
>>58320078oh so now the canonical game stats matter all of a sudden? because those same canonical game stats say that Onix has 45 attack. You can either accept the game stats as canon or want them to be consistent with the anime, you can't have both
Isnt a move physical or special on a move by move basis these days?
>>58320053>how would merging both attack stats change that? It wouldn't change it, that's the point. Pokemon is already full of inconsistencies like this that we just ignore, Alakazam having a slightly stronger Tackle than Machamp would just be one more example of it.To go back to the Gyarados example, Gyarados started out as a Pokemon that could effectively use its entire movepool. Gen II's special split cut that in half by making it a mediocre attacker for half of the types, including one of its STABs, but because you could max out the EVs on every stat you could still compensate for it. Gen III capping EVs meant that in 99% of cases you're prioritizing one attacking stat and ignoring the other, making half the types useless for each Pokemon. The Physical/Special Split in Gen IV was designed to correct for that by making it so any Pokemon could attack with moves of any type, regardless of their stats.We've gone from Gyarados being able to use all types, to being much better at half the types, to only practically using half the types, and then back to being able to use all types. Which begs the question, if only one of every Pokemon's two attack stats actually gets use, why bother having two in the first place? Gyarados's Special Attack stat is pointless. Alakazam's Attack stat is pointless. Pokemon like Arcanine that are strong in both stats, they still only get trained in one. Just make it one attack stat and spare the hassle.
>>58320092Except the game itself is contradictory to its own stats.Vikavolt is described as "zipping around" and performing acrobatic flying maneuvers to fluster its opponents in the Pokedex, but has a miserable speed stat of 43 that makes it impossible to ever do that by default.
>>58320108>Pokemon is already full of inconsistencies like this that we just ignorebecause they're rare and only happen a few times, while your change would make those moments the rule. Your change would remove all identity from offense and from individual pokemon. It's retarded. Why would I ever use Machamp if I can use Alakazam and use many of the same moves, but better and faster? Why would I use anything other than the highest BST moves when my pokemon can use all of them equally well? Why would I use any wall that specializes in a specific defensive stat when everyone is a mixed attacker? >Which begs the question, if only one of every Pokemon's two attack stats actually gets useit begs the question if you're a retard (which you are) and forget mixed attackers exist, not to mention cases like Nidoking or Landorus where it's optimal to use its lower offensive stat, something which you need knowledge of game mechanics outside of stats to realize.you're living proof of why game studios should never hire fans. Everything you spew is pure unfiltered retardation from someone who knows jack all about game design but is balls deep in dunning-kruger
>>58320111if you want to canonize pokedex entries then Magcargo should be the strongest pokemon and instantly vaporize everything around it the moment it enters the field
>>58318907Dumbest take imaginable
>>58320156Only if you assume the Pokemon world works on the exact same temperature logistics as the real world, which is utterly moronic.This is the same world where humans can go toe-to-toe with Pokemon who possess the strength to break through solid concrete without even trying, or bend impossibly dense and sturdy alloys.
>>58320011>They should have just merged the two attacking stats. A move being Physical/Special could still be the factor to determine whether it checks against Defense or Special Defense.How work all that out and then come up with this dumbass conclusion instead of "EVs were a mistake, bring back stat experience"?
>>58318907ENTERhttps://youtu.be/6CkJFISjNmc
most people want to use stab attacks when doing playthrough that deal more than 12hp
>>58320499>he needs to deal damage to be good at the game
>>58320098yes, and that's what op is shitting xher diaper about
>>58320558That's how it should have been from the start to be honest.
>>58319933>Just because it's not A+ in OU doesn't mean it's bad.
I'm gonna be real, I ALWAYS assumed this was a thing.
>>58320688same. the most intuitive view is that moves like fire PUNCH and leaf BLADE would use attack since the pokemon is physically attacking the opponent and things like shadow ball would be special because you're shooting some magic power at them
>>58320011another day, another campaignshitter posthttps://www.smogon.com/dex/gs/pokemon/gyarados/
>>58320816Sometimes I forget how Hidden Power was like the only way to get some actual STAB for mons like Gyarados or Heracross. I wonder why it took them so long to design something like Tera when Hidden Power was really useful before Gen VI
hating the split is the surest sign of a nostalgiablind retard
>>58320644True. Being bad means it's bad.
>>58320918but it's not bad
>>58320954But it is bad.
>>58319855And it's less dogshit
>>58318907This literally freed up their game design so they could actually not be forced to make every "physical" mon of a special type (or vice versa) a mixed attacker just so they could use their STAB. Fuck off.
>>58321020not really
>>58321038>pokemon having to use both of their attacking stats is...le bad>>58320011 is right, they should just made the games only have one attack stat just to cater like retards like you.
>>58320483Bingo. The capped EVs are what fucked it up. The original system let Pokemon grow organically. Every Pokemon battle boosted all the stats, just some were boosted more than others. Pokemon caught at lower levels and raised up were stronger than just catching a higher leveled one. You didn't have to worry about balancing your stat development because all of them could get maxed out. Training against more powerful Pokemon raised stats proportionately higher, you couldn't just grind 252 Rattata on Route 1 to max out your speed (it would take 911 (based) to max speed EVs in the original system). And you never had to deal with bullshit mechanics put in to reduce, track or reset EVs.It's funny how they changed to such a more limiting and rigid system, while refusing for so long to let players directly track IVs and EVs because "Pokemon are living creatures," when the original system was a way more natural and organic system.
>>58318907I think the P/S split was more good than bad, but they really should've reworked some mons introduced before gen 4 so that they wouldn't be stuck with spreads like this.
>>58318918HitmonchanGyaradosFeraligatrSneasel/WeavileCrawdauntSalamanceFlygonDragoniteGarchompTyranitarBreloomAzumarillSharpedoGengarRapidashJust to name some of the most notable mons' who got buffed due to the split and addition of tons of brand new moves to support it.>>58319080Gen IV saved the series with HGSS, it was Gen 5 that dealt the fatal blow and gen 6 that twisted the knife and tore it out, killing the series properly.
>>58321963>garchompah so you’re shitposting, good to know.
>>58321955That's less a problem of the physical/special split, and more an issues with the change from stat experience to EVs (which reward greater specialization) and GFs decision to bloat the move pool so that most moves have a physical/special equivalent. Mixed attackers are sitll useful, despite all this.>>58321963>Gyarados>Salamance>Flygon>Dragonite>Tyranitar>Breloom>Bad pre-Gen IVlmao>GarchompRetard
>>58318916while making a lot of mons with mixed stats shitmons
>>58318907Shut up Banette
>>58318907This is the dumbest possible take, nobody thinks this
>>58318907What a dogshit meme you're always free to play netbattle with the other 10 trannies who care about it. Treasure those moments because almost half of them won't be around for long
>>58318907>Fixes the series
