Who is the most iconic villain of the 3d era?
well not these fuckin' goons that's for sure
Uhhh....probably Guzma
It's not even close
>>58331083She is a victim not a villain
>>58331086A victim of bad writing, yeah
>>58331086a victim of this dick
>>58331106back to the husbando thread with you
>>58331135She's right, you know>Lysandre>Remake Archie/Maxie>Giovanni but gayer>Rose>Squidward and SpongeBob>SV don't even have villainsIf it's not Lusamine, it's Volo
>SucceededAZ, Alternate Maxie, alternate Archie, alternate Cyrus, alternate Ghetsis>God TierVolo>Great TierGuzma, SM Lusamine, USUM Giovanni, LGPE Giovanni, Deoxys>mid tierUSUM Lusamine, Kieran, The Lousy Three, Klara>low tierZinnia, SV professors, Team Star admins, Lysandre, Pecharunt>RetardedChairman Rose, ORAS Maxie, ORAS Archie>go home broTeam Yell
>>58331012Archie for the sexo
The only correct answer
>>58331196>YOU'RE UGLY AND THEREFORE SHOULD DIEwhat a chad.
>>58331196Absolutely.>>58331083Hot is not the same as iconic.
>>58331012Turo was the coolest and the only one who felt like a legit threat with an actual motivation instead of an unhinged retard.
>>58331591The professor wasn't a villain
>>58331196>>58331588Lysandre isn't iconic. You aren't going to ask a person who isn't a Pokemaniac who this fucker is and get an answerAt best you'll get Giovanni, N or Lusamine. Maybe Guzma too cause he was a massive hit at first. If anything it should be Volo
>>58331157Zinnia is also retarded, desu.
rose but for the wrong reasons
>>58331012>Lysandre>Lusamine>Volouhh thats all i have... Piers was more of a villain than the actual villains of Sword/Shield. And desu I havent played scarlet/violet yet
>>58332855he asked "of the 3D era". Also how could you bring up fucking Lusamine of all people but not Lysandre, when XY is more well received among normies than sun/moon
>>58331157Pecharunt and the Loyal Three are heroes not villains
>>58331152>SV don't even have villains? It has the professor
>>58331086Not mutually exclusive roles.
Ghetsis and Lusamine (not the USUM version) are the only ones I really like at all.The rest range from just serviceable to downright annoying.
>>58331196>>58331588This ginger fuck was such a letdown. They couldn't decide what they were doing with him at all. His characterization is pulled in very direction at once, and isn't particularly effective in any category. So you have this tacky sympathetic backstory slapped on to a cartoonishly evil villain who wants to create hell on earth, but he's not even fun and theatrical like Ghetsis.
>>58332968its like Cyrus if they took away all the charm. the only thing I liked about Lysandre was the fanon version of him
>>58332986I don't like Cyrus too much either but it never felt like the game was genuinely asking me to take his perspective seriously, like Lysandre crying.
>>58332924I disagree normies like XY more than SM, but regardless, Lusamine is a much better villain. Her villain twist is much more interesting and better handled than Lysandre’s, and her being genuinely crazy is more memorable than Lysandre’s generic villain personality.
>>58332841Not all villains have to be comically evil caricatures
>>58333011Yeah but the AI professor literally didn't have antagonistic intentions, the thing you actually have to fight/stop is essentially a haywire security system that's taking the AI's agency away from them.
>>58333022Did you even play the game? The REAL professor is the antogonist
>>58333037*antagonist
>>58333037The dead one? They were overly ambitious and didn't plan ahead properly, leaving quite a mess to clean up. But there's no real negative intention on their end either.Even then being a bad parent to Arven was because they fucking died and Arven assumed the AI was them being cold and distant.
It's crazy the Sword and Shield post game is how you actually get your box legendary, yet the whole plot is following these stupid jokes characters.
>>58331012Thanks, I had completely repressed the memory of these fucking idiots
>>58333055You really didn't play the game huh?>But there's no real negative intention on their end either.They wanted to bring paradox mons to Paldea no matter what. The AI warned them that that would lead to the destruction of Paldea, they just said that was "natural". They were fucking evil.>Even then being a bad parent to Arven was because they fucking died and Arven assumed the AI was them being cold and distant.Wrong. Arven hasn't seen the professor in many years.>"Always buried under her/his work, off pursuing her/his own research. Never at home with me. That's the first time I've even heard her/his voice in years, you know?">"...My mom/dad, that is. But let me tell you—as a parent? She's/He's the worst. All she/he ever does is work. She/He never comes home. I don't have a single memory of her/him ever even playing with me—her/his own kid. Mabosstiff's the only one who was there for me. Always.">"I...I almost never saw my momS/dadV in my whole life.">"She/He was always busy with work. Hardly ever came home.">"I cooked for myself, cleaned for myself... Mabosstiff was the only one I had to talk to.">"So, yeah, I don't really know her/him at all. Even if she/he is my mom/dad.">"I haven't seen her/him for ages now. Unless you count seeing her/him in the news or whatever. Used to at least get emails sometimes. But even those stopped a couple years ago. And then she/he appears, out of the blue, and tells me we've gotta come to Area Zero? Tch. Some family, right?"The prof neglect basically Arven his whole life.
>>58333093>The AI warned them that that would lead to the destruction of Paldea, they just said that was "natural". They were fucking evil.wut
>>58333096Bro...>The original professor had a dream...of a world in which future Pokémon might live alongside present-day Pokémon in harmony. But these Pokémon have gained a strange power due to their adaptations in the distant future...and this power has proved too terrible. Their very existence brings destruction to the ecological balance of this current age. The original professor would say that such destruction is a natural part of life.Play the fucking game, man.
>>58333105you're asking too much from nu-/vp/
>>58331012>iconicPorn is never going to let anybody forget this bitch, so that's the objectice answer. On top of the lasting discussion brought up by her retcons, and her memorable insanity in both personality and plot beats, she is going to reign supreme from gens 6-9. Turo and Volo are contenders for second place as well handled plot twist villains. Not the plot twists that they are villains, but the details of the plot twists themselves are handled in pretty memorable ways. 4th place is a tie between Guzma for sheer personality and Rose for sheer stupidity, which will keep them both remembered for a while.
>>58333105Then why did they literally die trying to defend your box legendary from the predatory one?
>>58332924Because despite XY's success nobody talks about the games, they were a flash in the pan banking on Kanto shit as a safe game to launch on 3DS. SM, controversial as they are, are significantly more well-remembered, not for being "good" but because they are actually memorable and have moments that people keep talking about even if most of those moments are Lillie-related. That's the meaning of being iconic Lysandre does not have any memorable moments outside of this
>>58333124Because they are obsessed with Paradox mons since they were children and put them above anything else? What are you confused about? This is all very coherent and simple to understand.
>>58333144If they truly believed letting the consequences of the Paradox mons do what they want was following natural order, they wouldn't throw their life away to disrupt that natural order.There's a verifiable difference between what the professor spoke and how they actually behaved when the cards were down.
>>58333157No? They didn't care if OTHER people or Pokémon would suffer under Paradox mons. They wanted all PARADOX mons to thrive. So obviously they didn't want other paradox mons to hurt each other.Also, the bike Raidon has been their personal lapdog for probably almost a decade. It was the first Paradox they ever retrieved from the time machine. Obviously they loved it the most.Play. The. Game.>There's a verifiable difference between what the professor spoke and how they actually behaved when the cards were down.So you are saying they were hypocrites, which is a villainous trait. Almost like they were terrible people or something. Villains, even.
>>58333162I'm saying they already had their character redemption before they story even started for the player.
>>58333167How is "dying to the thing they were so obsessed about that they didn't care if Paldea was destroyed" character redemption? If anything, it's showing how fucked up their obsession was and how far they were gone. It's pure hubris.The fact that the AI has more empathy for both humanity and Arven shows how messed up the prof was. All the dialogue from the AI fight was from the living professor. Absolutely nothing about them was redeemed.
>>58333175Play. The. Game.
>>58333178Lmao. You're either trolling or your media literacy is worse than a 6 year olds.The professors are evil, delusional child neglecting maniacs who died to their own hubris. That's a fact. Sorry your fanfic isn't real.
>>58331012Is this the Bogdanoff brothers?
>>58331012The only truly iconic villains in Pokémon are Giovanni and Lusamine.
>>58333204N is pretty iconic too if you consider him a villain. But you can really tell the only villains that actually end up well known beyond their source games are the ones Game Freak actually put an ounce of effort into trying to make them appealing. It's the same with Champions
>>58331588> Hot is not the same as iconic.True, but it intertwines.
I never finished X and Y so I haven't seen everything for Lysandre, but let me try to pin him down.>He detests "ugly" humans (not physically ugly, but people who embody negative aspects like greed, violence, and selfishness)>He wants a beautiful world filled with people who embody virtues like bravery, kindness, and selflessness>There's also a degree of hypocrisy as he and Team Flare gravitate towards traditional physical beauty (their outfits and style, Lysandre's conversation with Diantha when he's introduced where he discusses a hypothetical where she could keep her youthful beauty forever, but she says she wants to age and be able to take on older roles) and they all seem to have money for a bit of a class discrimination angle>He plans to use the ultimate weapon to either wipe out what be views as ugly (Yveltal) or forever preserve beauty (Xerneas)>He wears a weird robotic get-up in the climax>When he loses, he's going to use Xerneas/Yveltal's power to force eternal life on everyone in the room or wipe them out>He's a descendant of AZ, the ancient king who used the ultimate weapon after losing his Floette and took the life energy of many Pokémon to resurrect it, though it left him in return and he was forced to live for 3000 years without endI might be missing details and nuance from personally playing since I don't know all his lines and some things give just enough background information to flesh them out, but I'm not entirely convinced he's as badly-written as Gen III Maxie and Archie
>>58333225Most of his issues kinda stem from XY being a very sparknotes game. What you listed might as well be the equivalent to the amount of dialogue he outright has. Probably rushed due to needing to have the game launch globally instead of in Japan first. Another thing is the Teraleaks showed us that he wasn't even planned to be in the game at first, his role was supposed to be handled by AZ who was going to nuke the world so only his descendants and chosen few would rebuild it said descendant being Sycamore. When they cut that story to make AZ a tragic victim of a bygone era, they needed a new villain and shat out Lysandre who was apparently an outsourced design, intended to be Aryan and modeled after Masuda's personalityHe has sauce but it's obvious the worst Pokemon villains tend to be the ones they were struggling to work with during development. Maxie/Archie and Ghetsis also got heavy rewrites. Cyrus is 1:1 with the leaks
>>58331012It's not even a debate. No characters, let alone villains, in the franchise swept as hard as Team Skull, period. https://youtu.be/qa9n3oxBZ0s?si=TeRkktQ70JPGd0jS
>>58333296https://youtu.be/xV674NKclQA?si=FGuwYUuzitDDiD3kIt's the first time in franchise history that people (and not Pokémon) won people over before the game released. Even the cunny reception didn't compare until after people started playing the game.
>>58333296>>58333317It's also really the first time they promoted the characters pre-release. Guzma did hit different, especially after the last few clown shows like Flare. People liked Remake Aqua/Magma but they were still bogged down by Hoenn's dogshit storyThe only real problem was they were only in service to the real villains so I think they lost favor over time. You don't hear as many people gassing up Guzma much anymore. Kind of a shame because Gen VII's writing really did hit different compared to what we've been getting lately
>>58333358>You don't hear as many people gassing up Guzma much anymore.No shit, the game is almost 9 years old now.>The only real problem was they were only in service to the real villains so I think they lost favor over time.kek I can't even remember if they did anything other than be an obstacle to the player. But hey, this thread is about the most "iconic" villain, not the most competent or deadly.
>>58331086hurt people hurt people
>>58333377Some people get it mixed up like >>58331157Relevance to the game helps with being iconic. Giovanni isn't terribly relevant to Gen I but the fact you fight him more than once means you're more likely to remember him in a simpler game like Gen I. The only other character you fight multiple times is your rival. But when you start adding diatribes of anime slop dialogue and elongated cutscenes like in the later games, characters need to be able to present themselves better outside of the essential "you fight them more than once"And when they first 4 generations all you had were Giovanni, his subordinates, Maxie, Archie and Cyrus that kinda shows how meandering and repetitive the franchise really was back then. Like sure their motivations were different, but none of the post-Giovanni villains really had charisma like he did and the fact they kept doing cartoon world-destruction plots didn't help
>>58333143TRVKE
>>58331012Ghetsis in USUM
>>58333436Nah
