Why did Gamefreak stop collaborating with Toby Fox? Wasn't he a huge selling point for SV? How can Pokemon have a future without him?
>>58344224Deltarune > Undertale > Pokemon
What makes you think his music won’t show up for Z-A?
>>58344224>worked on SWSH + Little Town Hero>he's not on BDSP or PLA because they're remakes and a prequel to a game he has nothing to do with>worked on SV+DLC>he's not on Z-A because it's a sequel to a game he has nothing to do with ?
>>58344230Correct. Which is why Gamefreak should have continued leeching off of him.>>58344245Because it's not smart to keep his collaboration a secret if it's real. They would be taking advantage of his fame as much as possible.
He’s a dog shit composer and they’re better off without him
>>58344230again, low bar but yes, absolutely
>>58344224>How can Pokemon have a future without him?Most people don't know nor care that he did anything.You'd buy it anyways
>>58344272they literally have not brought him up once, it was the players who recognised his musical stylings then found him in the credits before he later announced he did some work for the gamesTPCi does not care
>>58344224No, I'm pretty sure picrel was the huge selling point
>>58344224He's probably only going to be around for new generation games like SWSH, SV, and Gaia.>Wasn't he a huge selling point for SVMaybe for a few people put most who bought it were gonna buy it anyway.
>>58344224Game Freak blatantly using Toby Fox as a marketing tool is the funniest thing, especially when it didn't even work for games like Little Town Hero.>see kids, we like undertale too!
>>58344303This, and also a tweet he did.Area Zero really did have a weird alien feel when you got to it, appreciated it.
>>58344279This, good riddance to that faggot.
>>58344279This, his contributions only make the soundtracks worse as a whole.>>58344311Him too.
>>58344311YOU MAKE ME FEEL
>>58344255why would being a sequel matter, at all?
>>58344381Goes to show you what the point of this Sonic-tier franchise is anymore
>>58344381that's not the worst offender
>>58344255this faggot really thinks no new hands can help with a remake or a sequel. Shitskin retard honestly believes all the original developers of D/P came back for BDSP. Literal 3rd world shitbrain reasoning. Dude probably would wear a DBZ shirt to his Abuelita's funeral.
why is it always this one pic of Toby whenever some dude from /v/ comes here to bait with him?
>>58344230Undertale>Pokemon>Trash>Deltarune
>>58344224why are you posting a woman on my Pokemon board
>>58344279his stuff is fine in his own games but I go to pokemon to hear Pokemon music, not some other franchise’s music take vs sada/turo: it’s a good song, but then it just starts to be undertale music mask-off, and it’s like “the fuck are we doing here”
>>58344408Because Undertalefags can't accept:>Toby is a leftoid >Toby plagiarize to make his games>Toby will never make a better soundtrack thank Undertale >Toby games looks like shit >Toby is just lazy and that's why the game is taking so long Did you ever enter a smash bros thread and shit on Sakurai. Toby is something similar
>>58344421>>58344230Pokemon clover > everything else
>>58344458>>thank UndertaleThank you Undertale
>>58344408Because it's the same people, and pattern recognition gets people pissed off faster.
>>58344272>it's not smart to keep his collaboration a secret if it's real. They would be taking advantage of his fame as much as possible.Hahahah, this nigga actually thinks *Pokemon* needs the publicity that Toby fucking Fox can bring to a game.Anon, no. It's just not what's happening, Game Freak is not having Fox contribute because they think it's good for marketing or whatever, they clearly just like the guy and the stuff he's made in some capacity. He currently lives in Japan as far as I know so he's probably not that tough to work with professionally either, whether he has the time off from Deltarune or whatever else he's working on to do other shit on the side or not at any given time is probably behind why he's skipped several GF projects after first getting brought on.
>>58344458Toby is literally one of usThank you Undertale
you'd think toby raped everyone's moms the way /vp/ talks about him
what the fuck are you talking about you fucking retard there hasn't even been a game out since SV you have no reason to come to this conclusion yet you fucking retarded brainlet
>>58344224Every song he added to pokemon fucking sucked
>>58344230Pokemon >>>>>>> Toby's tranny gamesFTFY
>>58344224Toby Fox is a repulsive faggot that go his start by plagiarizing an ripping off a dozen other tracks and games, even Deltarune is just an Undertale rethread because go figure this kike has not a single ounce of creativity and writes his every character like a shitty tumblr comic's self-inserts and the sort.How Undertale got popular is still a fucking mystery to me given how terrible the game is, even the soundtrack, which is the only halfway tolerable part of the game is just okay a lot of the time. None of the tracks he made for Pokemon so far fit Pokemon and I would even go so far as to say many of them like the battle tower's are outright bad, Sada and Turo's theme is fine, but it genuinely feels like there's something off about it that brings it down and it just doesn't belong in a Pokemon game.
>>58345056>i dont get it, but that doesnt make me dumb that makes everybody else dumb haha yes!!what a massive seethe bc many people are enjoying something, something which is extremely good. it's okay for you to not understand it tho, at least you were honest enought to admit that yeah!
>>58344687He raped my metaphorical mom with his metaphorical skeleton boner
>>58345074>Unironically trying to justify his bullshit with commie logic by making a pretentious rhetoric about the opposition being idiots for not looking garbage like you do and that they would simply not understand how much of a genius you are>Doesn't even address any of the points I made, just acts like a retarded child who grew up with social mediaYeah that seems about right.
>>58345074quality isn't a democracy you underage ESL sperg
it's as if toby freed a genie from a lamp and instead of wishing for any kind of talent in any aspect of game creation, he wished for people to be mass-hypnotized into enjoying whatever garbage he shits out
>>58345100>>58345128the point is that you faggots are hating on it bc it is popular & also do not see how it could be good.nowhere was it said that it is good bc its popular?? you retard shizos,
>>58344458>that's why the game is taking so longdo you mean>game is taking too long
>>58345277>Do you mean Do you mean? Do you mean?
>>58344456Pokemon Music is bad though
>>58345143you seem to be displaying symptoms of advanced butthurt
>>58345246I'm old and don't really have any skin in this game but people react poorly to anything they're overexposed to. I enjoyed undertale in 2015 for what it was but it's clear that everything after that is mostly kids more interested in the fandom itself that the actual content.
>>58344279>>58344371id argue, but i recall that toby was nicknamed toby "shitty guitar synths" fox in homestuck fanbaseall toby contributed was shitty megalovania cover, two awful songs he made and singed, but also made BLACK and Sunsetter
They didnt? PLA didnt have Toby songs either but then SV has more than SwSh
>"I'm old!"
>>58344756>implying pokemon isn't a tranny game
>yes please repurpose another song you wrote about mpreg into a song for our game
>>58344311Funny how Fox was mogged when he tried to pass himself as the heckin' epic headliner and some rando just got the red carpet out of nowhere.
>>58346426To this day, I still don't know who that is, and I don't think many really talked about his singular song in Swish.
>>58345533He made many more songs than that lol
>>58344224i fucking hate toby fox taking all of the credit when he minorly assisted on like 6 songs and none of the other actually good composers get any recognition
>>58344224Who?
>>58346426>>58346439His song was much better than whatever Toby made
>>58344279>He’s a dogStopped reading there, but I agree.
>>58344616Yes, Toby is one of you tumblrfags who came to /v/ to start shitting it up with their terrible game and culture opinions and tastes
>>58344224>>people still talking about deltarune and undertale nonstop everywhere>>no one talks about or wants to buy switch 2s or zaDeserved
>>58347379Holy shit this anon comes from a parallel universe where Undertale is more popular than pokemon
>>58346705He's dated and irrelevant.
Why doesn’t anyone talk about how much heavy lifting Minako Adachi did for SV’s soundtrack (almost every area theme except South Province and the Tera/Area Zero related ones), that was a huge part in making the world feel decent
>>58344279Toby is carried by his effective use of leit motifs and how they weave across the entire soundtrack and how that plays into the story.without that aspect he is just kind of an ok composer. and hes probably saving all his best compositions for his own project that hes been working on for the past decade and a half. The fact he remixed a a souless mainstream media musician's music should show you the mindset the music department was in.im still sure that was made for SwSh
>>58347650It's very confusing to bystander knowing who composed what or who arranged what. Especially when Fuck was billed as "the musician" for the game without much more elaboration.
>>58344224They should add HAMMER ATTACK to pokemon. Deals dual type flying/dark damage.
>>58344224He's got more shit to do for his own game than keep making free music for a hack franchise
>>58347767>he thinks he does it for freeRetardHe's obviously getting a fat paycheck, and royalties for all the remixed of his tracks
>>58347713The song credits for SV are still public information, though
>>58345277Underrated comment >>58347650Because pokemon fans and media literacy don't mix
>>58348003>media literacyStay away from jackensteinposting you fucking faggot
>>58348015>totally missing the point of both, as in in you didn't give a through reading
>>58347833I wonder if Fox paid to work in Pokemon now that you mention it.
>>58344224>Why did Gamefreak stop collaborating with Toby FoxHave they?I don't know if he's absent from PLZ-A, but he wasn't in PLA either after contributing a track in SwShThere's nothing saying he will or won't be in gen 10 but I guess the point is not honest discussion
>>58349397I doubt it, he has mad connections in Japan. You don't get to work with GameFreak, Sakurai and ZUN by just paying.
woah cool /utg/ followed me homeanyways i wouldnt be surprised to hear one of his compositions in ZA
>>58349397He befriended Go Ichinose after they met at a 8-4 party, that's literally all there is to it.
>>58349496>>58349567It was Sephazon, Deltarune's producer who's a Nintendo bitch and pokemon superfan
There's nothing pointing towards them not collaborating anymore. He's just not working on Z-A, just like he didn't work on Arceus. He will most likely contribute a few track to gen 10, as he seems to be just doing mainline games.Also I think it's an overstatement to say he was ever a selling point. IIRC they never directly talked about his involvement in Scarlet/Violet, he just mentioned it on his personal twitter, nothing more.
>>58349397Absolutely not, otherwise every retard could do that. GF are clearly fans of Toby and his work, and he has connections in Japan like the other anons said.
>>58349636It's free marketing for his cult with zero effort on their part. that's just how new media works.
>>58347650She also made most of Gen 7s OST. Not sure if Ichinose is moving into a managerial position since his tracks for Gen 8 were pretty bad.
>>58350071The last time I had a good time with Pokémon's overall OST was gen 6. Gen 8 had the gym battle theme (best in series, even with the vocals), and 9 has the Treasure's of Ruin theme, which I'm biased towards for being a cute parody.
>>58345793This.>Verification is not required.
>>58344230Fact checked: trueBut the Pokemon are sexier
>>58347650SV's OST sadly feels very unremarkable when the areas it's attached to mean nothing. Great soundtrack and I like that they did the BW thing where the music instruments change if you:>Are walking around>Riding Koraidon/Miraidon>Running with Koraidon/MiraidonA lot of people didn't give any value to this, but I did.
>>58347975NTA but the credits are honestly pretty bad. For example, the final battle theme of your dragon vs the other dragon is credited to Toby Fox despite the fact it is one of the most obvious Go Ichinose tracks in the whole damn game. But since it is a remix of the main theme which was a Toby composition, he gets full credit on the OST. Same with a lot of the South Province themes which were clearly arranged by other people.
>>58352500i hate troony fucks so much
>>58352505What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said? Do you think he personally demands to get full credit or something?
>>58352513no but his rabid fucking cabal of enablers would probably piss themselves violently if he didnt
>>58352518I don't know what kinda clown world you live in where you get this twisted over a guy composing music for a video game but ok
>>58352500But Disc 4-19 pretty clearly gives Go Ichinose the arrangement credit while Toby Fox only gets composer credit (whether for his motifs or for the general composition of the track), Ichinose arranged most of the Area Zero related songs
>>58352764Oh shit, noted. It seems my OST download is missing all of this extra information, I'll have to update it. Thanks for the tip.
>>58346669Yeah, but not many more GOOD songs
>>58352764Is there a mod that removes all the music made by Fox from the game? That might make it salvageable enough to play.
>>58352037Subjective. Toriel can drive even non-furries wild.
>>58354090How obsessed are you lmao
>>58354090Yeah, actually. You can get it by not buying the DLC.
>>58354255Are you stupid? Toby's tracks are mostly in the base game, in fact I think the only Toby Fox "tracks" in the DLC are the ones that use the Area Zero leitmotiv, which aren't a lot. And the credits song technically.
>>58354230There is nothing "obsessed" about wanting to avoid terrible, experience-ruining music.
>>58354534It wouldn't bother you at all if you didn't know Toby Fox made it lmaoHe lives rentfree in your head
>>58354626Toby Has a really distinctive style you can't miss unless you're deafI knew something was terribly wrong the moment I heard the Battle Tower trainer theme in SwSh, finding out it was Toby later made it made sense
>>58354670You never would've guesses that Toby composed the South Province theme though, or the academy thene, or the Area Zero themeThe only sond in SV that sounds similar to his usual style is the AI battle theme
>>58354626It's really hard to avoid knowing when he is being spammed everywhere and how Gamefreak and himself promoted him as the major musician for the game to the expense of other people working on it.
>>58355182>Gamefreak and himself promoted him as the major musician for the game to the expense of other people working on it.Where's the major part coming from? At the expense of others? Saying he contributed to the OST doesn't mean he's the only one. Stop desperately grasping for reasons to get upset for no reason.
Area Zero theme is really good
>>58344311when i stopped being a bitch about song i started to listen to more popular shit like ed sheeran i actually found some of his song pretty good.but anything that has been over used on radio will turn you sour that i agree tho
>>58347706So it's all motifslop
>>58355182Yes but that means you are obsessed with hating the person and don't actually hate his music
>>58344279He fucking ruined the OFF remake.
>>58344224>stopWhat makes you think he's not in the new game?
>>58356988Mortis ruined it by losing the sovl he once hadToby's songs were fine (the demo version of Dedan's theme was terrible though)
>>58347706I can't decide if he's a master of leitmotif or a one trick pony, the line between them is thin. Regardless, I feel like all the best soundtracks are carried by leitmotif. Revo's Bravely Default soundtracks are another example
>>58357477He's good at leitmotifs because it's usually not just "use the same melody", he often morphs the motifs (different key, tempo or changing individual notes) to signify changed contexts. He definitely has a high technical understanding of composition and has tons of variety in genres and styles.
>>58357477I'm still amazed at how good bravely default 2 was. Trial of the brave and shadows cast by the mighty still live rent free in my head.
