>"It's a reference to something though!">"It's so goofy and memey though!">"It makes the design memorable though!">"You didn't like the original Pokemon though!">"It makes you mad so I like it though!">"It's grown on me though!"
All true. Frogposter lost.
>>58348302why are gen1 apologists unironically like this
Can't forget>It's good in competitive though!>You'll buy it anyway though!
>>58348302oh, so you just want "literally my moms dog" designs then?
>>58348302So true! Gen 1 truly is a shitty generation, huh?
>>58348302You forgot>it’s meant to look like shit>pokemon designs aren’t meant to look cool
>>58348302>"It's a reference to something though!"this is a legitimate defense
>>58348609not if the design is ugly as fuck
>>58348617ugly is subjective though
>>58348622not in this reality
>>58348617we cross that bridge if we get there
>>58348632Sorry you're so ugly.
>>58348641not beating the bald clown allegations even in fanartI don't even hate it but, damn, they really could have changed some things for the final release, man...
>>58348302Correct. Cope, seethe, etc
>>58348328>>58348302I like how you just list the ways people refute you and can’t muster the brain power to actually make a case for yourself
>>58348641seems like we already did
>>58349105The one labelled "X" would look okay if they fixed her ears
>>58349115>making baseless assumptions about the person you're arguing with is a refutationwhich political party do you identify with
>>58348609WHOAAAA THEY REFERENCED SOMETHING... THAT MEANS IT'S AUTOMATICALLY GOOD!
>>58349246>politics out of nowhere kek
>>58348556Unironically yeah. I’d rather have momsdogs that are given characterization by showing up in the game world (both in the wild and how they’re utilized by human society) than a bunch of hecking quirkerinos like Dracovolt or whatever where the (bad) design tells the entire story. Sun and Moon seemed to want to attempt this in the concept arts but it’s something gf is historically bad at doing even in games with overworld Pokemon sprited/modeled
>>58348302This is bad because?
>>58348302A reference is actually enough to make someone like it actually.Mudkip is based on Axolotls. I like Axolotls. I like Mudkip. It’s the same thing
>>58349261just a question, anonno need to be so scared of it
>>58349352does that really count as a reference?
>>58349105fan designs are the worst thing to ever happen
>>58349353politics?that reminds me THE JEWS DID IT THE JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS
>>58349355Technically yes. References in pop culture can serve as inspiration just as real animals. In a way, it references the real world. There’s probably a better way of saying that but what I’m trying to put out there is that something being based on something you like can be enough to make you like it.
>>58349105why are you acting like it wasn't immediately obvious to the vast majority of the fanbase that sprigatito was going to become a bipedal waifumonfakemon haters really will use as much revisionism as it takes to get more of gamefreak's cum down their throat
>>58349105Can’t wait for the water starter cat version of this
>>58349105Everyone knew what Sprigatito would end up as because they’ve done it for 4 gens in a row, those designs are done by people who dislike jobmons and hoped for something better
>>58349373ok fair enough
>>58348302I wish I was young like you so I can type this shit and think I'm smartass. Fuck, I feel old.
>>58349400>think I'm smartassYeah, you are old.
>"You didn't like the original Pokemon though!"If you don't like Dudunsparce then you don't like Dunsparce. And if you don't like Dunsparce then nothing you say is important
>>58349648i want dududunsparce gamefreak dont be a fucking coward
>>58348302>It's a reference to something though!"I've heard this used for the Gen 8 fossils so much and it doesn't make them any less of abominations
>>58349670Gen 18
>>58350089the defense for those are not "its a refrence" its 252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 141-167 (46.3 - 54.9%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery
>>58350118something being good in competitive also doesn't make it a good Pokemon, though that's also an argument I hear a lot. Mostly for Incineroar and Gholdengo
>>58350201the argument isnt its good in comp the argument isVISHbut uh also whats wrong with Incineroar and Gholdengo
>>58350214they're ugly. Does anything else need to be wrong?
>>58350222i like my furbait and cheesestick though
>>58349648Dunsparce is one of my favorite Pokemon. Dudunsparce is a shitty meme design that I hope you faggots choke on.>"Y-You just wanted a scary dwagon!"I didn't want an evolution but if they were gonna make one I'd rather not just a shitty meme design. I get this is hard for nuPokemon fans to understand since 70% of the mon designs nowadays are just shitty memes.
>>58350260get duduned on dudipshit
>>58350260Dunsparce itself is a shitty meme design. Its name LITERALLY MEANS DUMB AND RARE
>>58350260>likes a silly meme design>gets mad at silly meme designssurely not
>>58348302Anyone who pretends Dudunsparce is a tolerable design is an irony poisoned faggot who grew up in a fatherless house. I like Dunsparce, I've always had a massive soft spot for the gen 1 and 2 Normal types that people typically overlook like Ursaring, Wigglytuff, Girafarig and Dunsparce, Ursaring and Girafarig got fantastic evolutions, seeing Ursaluna and Farigiraf for the first time put a massive smile on my face, seeing Dudunsparce made me feel nothing but emptiness, it's not just the fact that it is lazy, the fact that it's an insult and a colossal middle finger, it's like Gamefreak deliberately designed it to spite people, nothing about the design changed, they didn't care, it's laziness, pure laziness, it's like the literal embodiment of modern Pokemon in a way. I didn't necessarily ask for a Dragon evolution, just anything cool or interesting or even something silly that at least looked different enough would have made me happy, but they blew it, they fucking blew it, they shat on my plate and still asked me to pay money for it. I hate Gamefreak.
>>58350360lol get duduned idunout
>>58350260I’m pretty neutral on both Dunsparce and its evolution but the idea that someone can dislike the evo without wanting it to be some edgy serpentine dragon is hard for some to grasp. “It just gets bigger” is a common criticism for evolutions. It being intentionally minimal doesn’t change that.
>>58350360yup
>>58350270Dumb nupokeslop eater>>58350272>>58350279It's not, it's a goofy design but it's not a meme design. There's a difference. A goofy design is lighthearted but still meant to be a real design and cohesive member of the universe. A meme design is a one-off joke that gets viral hits on twitter before being forgotten. You aren't meant to think of Overqwil or the hahalongmons for more than 5 seconds to make a tweet laughing about how epic they are.>Its name LITERALLY MEANS DUMB AND RARELocalization, original name doesn't insult it, assuming that Dun is meant to be dunce.>>58350384There are plenty of ways you could take a Dunsparce evolution that isn't epic dragon or opening it in blender and adding another body for the epic maymay.
>>58350390>Dumb nupokeslop eateroldfag get dunned on
>>58350384I get if people don't like the evo, but the reasoning for doing so is always so flippant and self-contradicting. It's hard to take the haters seriously.
>>58350424Eh not really. People are just way too quick to jump to “erm actually” as if the idea behind the evolution hasn’t been obvious and parroted around since the leaks. Doing all this to justify liking or disliking a cartoon animal is so silly that I can’t take either side of this “debate” seriously
>>58350436The fact you said this and yet chose to jump into the middle of the argument regardless either paints you as a disingenuous liar or a complete moron.
>>58348302>"It's a reference to something though!"95% of ALL Pokemon are references to something. References of pop culture figures, mythology/folklore, RPG enemies, etc. are EVERYWHERE.
>>58348302Yea all gen 1 mons are toku and dragon quest references we know enough about those shitty outdated designs.
>>58350521Nah it paints me as someone who doesn’t care about your little squabble over a cartoon character. Get over yourself
>>58348302which pokemon are not references to something else
>>58348302>"It's a reference to something though!">"It's so goofy and memey though!">"It makes the design memorable though!">"You didn't like the original Pokemon though!">"It makes you mad so I like it though!">"It's grown on me though!"
>>58348609Literally all designs in the history of humanity are a reference to something else.
>>58350800>>58350809Pichu
>>58349105All the designs on the left are better
>>58349105I find this especially disingenuous as more than several on left all clearly have a secondary theme to them and expand Sprigatito's initial design elements in vastly different ways. M in particular does basically everything they say Meowscarda does.
>>58350864Pichu is a reference to mice
>>58350390>It's not, it's a goofy design but it's not a meme design. There's a difference>I AM RIGHT AS LONG AS WE USE THESE DEFINITIONS THAT I INVENTED
>>58348564You wanted cool well you are fucked
>>58350864Pretty sure "Baby Pikachu" is a reference to Pikachu
>I finally got standards in gen 9
>>58349105>starter becomes bipedal furbait>Actually making something that people don't expect
>>58351093He's correct.
>>58350767>>58350785>>58350800Arguing with leftists consists of them pretending to misunderstand the issue and misrepresenting it as hard as they can
>>58350260basedI've always wanted a big goofy dunsparce evo that triples down on the fat snake angle but according to the apologists I'm apparently lying and wanted an edgy dragon the entire time and that's apparently the only possible reason for me to not appreciate the design that looks like a factory error of a cheap dunsparce toyleast they could have done was quadruple down on the segment gimmick and having the rarest form be made of 10+ dunsparce segments, at least that would make dudunsparce feel like a mon designed with the intent to encourage trading instead of being a dumb meme
>>58350875This.
>>58351468trans hand wrote this
>>58351472glad you're comfortable coming out to us
>>58351159take your meds you dumb commie
>>58351079>>58351104non-answers
>>58349105A or P would have been kino
>>58351649How are those non-answers?
>>58349105God quadruped pokemon are so fucking boring to look at.Everyone remembers Meowth (amazing design), nobody remembers Persian (shit design).
>>58351868Everyone remembers Meowth because it starred in the anime for 20+ years you stupid faggot
>>58351873Bend over like the quadruped bitch you want to be faggot.
>>58351401>I've always wanted a big goofy dunsparce evo that triples down on the fat snake angle That's literally what you got
>>58351878Kill yourself you disingenuous fuck
shit post aside, a good design usually consist of layers and layers of influences (irl examples, fiction, etc) that complement each-other well cleverly. Its why the "jobmon" complaint never works in the long run.
>>58348302>"You didn't like the original Pokemon though!"The only valid one on this list if it's applicable. I don't like Hawlucha, so I don't like mega Hawlucha either.That said, being told this when you actually did like the original pokémon is eyerolling. I love Delphox, mega Delphox is a massive disappointment and feels like TPC completely ignored Delphox's primary fanbase. Nobody wanted beards.
>>58351910I disagree, I think if a Pokemon can be identified as a jobmon, that may show it's a bad design. As an example, look at Donphan. Donphan is based on a tire. Despite this, no one would ever call Donphan an objectmon because the design incorporates those elements in a very subtle way. Another two examples would be Delibird and Murkrow, based off of Santa and Witches respectively. Their earlier designs made these far more on the nose, and later iterations worked to reduce this to make it far more subtle. While it's still easy to tell that Delibird is Santa, it feels far more like a real penguin in the final design and could easily be imagined as a living animal instead of "santa as a Pokemon"
>>58351923It's a forest wizard, wizards have beards
>>58351929Most people preferred Delphox as a motherly sorceress, especially because of how many people think of Braixen as feminine after the anime.Instead, it's a fox femboy that becomes a wizard dilf/gilf, and while that appeals to a very specific niche, that's definitely not what most Delphox fans wanted. Most of the fanart intentionally draws female M-Delphox offmodel to ignore the beards. They completely ruined the gender neutrality of it by giving it beards.And to add insult to injury, you have to pay for the DLC to even get it, plus tip. And it's limited time. Idk how TPC thought this would make it appealing and not utterly offputting with how anti-consumer it is. Especially because Z-A won't even have anything like Pokémon Amie.
>>58351926Im not seeing the difference between something like Meowscarda and Delibird or Mukrow. There all based off fairy tale or folklore characters. Obviously most wouldn't get the the whole "Jungian archetype of a Jester" in Meowscarada design hence its androgyny look and dark typing but most people know what a fucking Jester/Pierrot is.
>>58351948Meowscarda is significantly more anthro than either Delibird or Murkrow and more on the nose with its theme. Most people didn't even realize Murkrow was a witch until the Spaceworld leak.
>>58351941>Most people preferred Delphox as a motherly sorceressThey're wrong, fuck 'em
>>58351941Women can have beards and still be feminine
>>58351868This.
>>58351953>Most people didn't even realize Murkrow was a witch until the Spaceworld leak.It was obvious to me it was a witch as a child and its tail is the brush of the witch broom. Not sure how this gets past peoples heads, but than again there are people on here that didnt recognize Orbeetle is a Gundam with its shiny having the Psycho Gundam colors.
>>58351966Bro its a UFO
>>58351989Yea and Gardevoir is a guardian angel And a knightAnd a ballet dancerAnd a paper doll
>ITT
>>58351989
>>58351966I think you're overestimating how widespread Gundam is, most people have probably never even interacted with any of its media
>>58352056Gamefreak is Japanese tho. And they put more obscure references than that. Ultraman. Pulse Man. Kamen Rider. Wobbuffet is based on a comedian, isn't it?
>>58351878it's not fatter though?if anything it's thinner now
>>58352074I'm not saying it isn't a thing GameFreak would do, I'm saying that people not recognising a Gundam reference is fairly normal if not expected
>>58352083He said tripled down. It got triple the segments. Longer. Heavier. Fatter. Just because all of the fat isn't in one big lump doesn't mean it ain't fatter.
>>58351953>Most people didn't even realize Murkrow was a witch until the Spaceworld leak.Fucking how? The big fucking witch hat it has didn’t give it away?
>>58352102Honchkrow being a very blatant gangster probably diluted things a little bit.
>>58352113>Honchkrow being a very blatant gangster What the fuck are you on about? Honchkrow is clearly based on a successful, legitimate businessman. Who told you this 'gangster' bullshit? Specifically who. Gimme the name of the motherless fuck who's been runnin' his mouth.
You will notice that when Dudunsparcefags talk about how they like, it's never "I like it because how it looks".It's always "haha funny meme xDDD", or "I like it because it makes people seethe" or "I lile it to dunk on people who wanted it to be le quetzacoatl"Even Dudunsparcefags recognize that Dudunsparce is worthless as far as design goes. It's all irony poisoning Gen Z brainrot all the way down. Of course that's because Dudunsparce is nothing more than a joke. The joke is GF spitting in your face. At least the original Dunsparce had some effort put it when they originally designed it
>>58352096it's not more rotund, therefore I don't care
>>58352124I-it was Remoraid!
>>58352250He sleeps..with the fishes.also we're gonna kill em
>>58348302>"It makes you mad so I like it though!"Tag yourself, this is me.
>>58349332>DracovoltThe best Galar fossil, shit taste anon.
There is nothing wrong with being a contrarian. Go ahead, disagree with me. I dare you.
>>58348302>i don't like it, so it's bad!Works both ways faggot. Voltorb is a shit design that doesn't work outside the context of a videogame.
>>58351868Persian takes away everything that makes Meowth charming and adds nothing, at least Liepard has a badass sickle tail and Purugly’s tail doubling as a girdle has its own kinda charm, what the fuck does Persian bring to the table? Hell I’d even say Delcatty does the whole elegant cat thing better
>>58352366Ayeeee mr.crow hahaaaa its meee perserker....ya know meowths older cousin!! aye haha....you know me im a good man a hard worker i just need a little help ive fallen on hard times
People autistically arguing about Pokemon will always be amusing
>>58350791>doesn't care>needs everybody to know it
>>58349105Primarina did this better. Fuck ballio.
>>58352218Me when a girl is fat instead of pregnant.
>>58352405But it was designed within the context of a video game. Filling a niche is good design.
>>58350272Okay but enough about koalas
>>58351152This. People saw a catmon and inmediately jumped on the "oh god not incineroar again" bandwagon
>>58352520>1 person is everyoneGet over yourself.
>>58349105People were really THAT obsessed with quadrapedalism huh
>>58350808/thread
>>58352840>people REALLY expected a quadruped to stay a quadruped>after several generations of people complaining about starters always standing up>in the same gen they intentionally made a quadruped fire starter to address these complaints btw
>>58354238>in the same gen they intentionally made a quadruped fire starter to address these complaints btwThat is not why
>>58354238at this point if GF wanted to surprise people they would go back to Gen 1-5 style of starters instead of endless fursuits with jobs
>>58348609Look at my boy dancing
>>58349105It's a crime that the Spanish cat didn't evolve into the Puss in Boots.
"i don't like fun or whimsy or anything cool or interesting at all so i will shoot you for not also disliking it like my soulless boring ass" great thread bro
>>58355593LE HECKIN FUN AND WHIMSY MEMES ARE SO WHOLESOMEHOW DARE YOU NOT LIKE MY LECHUNGUS DOING THE FORTNITE DANCE
>>58355620>HOW DARE YOU LIKE THIS POKEMONgoes both ways
>>58352840Are those designs meant to be similar to what Gamefreak is likely to create or are they wishful thinking? Seems more like the latter
>>58354238>>in the same gen they intentionally made a quadruped fire starter to address these complaints btw And even then it didn't stand a chance against multiple anthromons lol
>>58355625Yes, unironically if you like meme shit you are a lesser lifeform and making this franchise worse.
>>58355676Christ even discounting that the taste here is fucking questionable.
>>58355545Floragato is literally thatCat > cat thief > cat trickster/jester/fool
>>58348641>resorting to off-model fanartI accept your concession.
>>58349105>Actually making something that people don't expect Only a retard wouldn't expect to see an attention seeking cat turning into an attention seeking street magician yes you even you retarded 4chan loser who's reading this post if you didn't expected that you're the dumbest faggot
>>58352074There's alot of very Japanese specific designs that go over western heads. Conkeldurr line is inspired by a phenomenon in japan were delinquents tend to become construction workers when they get older hence why Timburr has a pompadour. Mawile is inspired by woman's fashion during the taisho era of japan with the Kimono + Hakama pants combo, Mega Mawile's two heads and sideburns is meant to look like a ribbon which was the common head accessory for women at that time.
>>58355717>literally thatNo, fuck you.
>>58355852Thieves/Trickster/Jester all go hand in hand so yes the whole entire line is literally Puss in Boots plus a whole bunch other famous stuff within that archetype (Arsene Lupin, The Fiend with Twenty Faces, Tuxedo mask, etc.)
>>58355693Good. If it pisses off annoying people like you then I'll gladly shit up this franchise.
>>58355819>"It's a reference to something though!">>58356008>"It makes you mad so I like it though!">>58355918Mental gymnastics.
>>58356748>Nooo, you can't like thing for incorrect reasonsNothing wrong with any of those.
>>58356748I know your trying get a (you) but Meowscarda learning protean in reference to Fiend with Twenty Faces is super clever.Same concept used in persona 5 were joker tears off his his mask to change to another persona. Ive been reading ranpo novels recently so its cool to see how much of his work had a impression on japanese media.
>>58356800Meowscagada learns not-Protean because so did Crindisgrace. It's simply a cheap way to give them an advantage in battle. The shillmon starter of the next generation will probably have not-Protean too.Putting that aside, it's beyond idiotic to say that a jester cat with a mask is literally the same as a cat with boots and a hat simply because the referenced character is a "trickster". The puss in boots did not even do the same type of trickery that magicians do, all they really have in common is being abnormal cats. You 500% deserve to get smacked for saying something so stupid.
>>58356779>something being wrong and incorrect doesn't make it badMental illness.
>>58348302frogposters back at it with the worst takes of all time yet again, you guys just don't stop. that shit is what makes pokémon, if you don't like it? you can leave.
>it's a refrence to 4chan
>>58356915Whatever reason I choose to like something for is correct.
>>58351154yeah no-one likes a cool Pokemon with no built in design flaws
I wish 4chan could accept whimsy like the rest of the internet
>>58357710Silly bootsFat head
>>58357710>No built in design flaws>Posts a Pokemon with swords for arms
