>>58382566>malamarGrim
>>58382566Do we have the moveset yet?
Scolipede really lost some speed and some went into its still useless SpAtk stat
>>58382566>Starmie gets 140 for some fucking reasonThese fags should check Mawile and Medicham megas stats
>>58382566The fuck is up with Stramie gaining 140 base stats?
Lol Chesnaught
>Starmie gets 140 for being the mememonIt's so fucking over
>>58382566>shitnaught gets less speed, ensuring that it's completely uselessDEAD ON ARRIVAL SHITMONHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>58382613>wait turn with protect>speed boost>go mega
>>58382679+1 62 speed is still really badno matter, it's fairly tanky i guess
>>58382679>Still too slow to do anythingMega scolipede is DOA without leech life
>>58382656? Less speed is better you retard, 64 is already uselessly slow and it being slower just means it will be better in trick room
>>58382566Excadrill seems pretty solid.
>>58382762That right, it will be trickroom beast + slow belly drummer
>>58382566Megaphox got too many Special Defense points to my liking but it didn't really waste stats. I wish it had 139 or 144 speed though, 134 is one point slower than a lot of things. It has more Special Attack than base 135 mons have in their attacking stat however.
>>58382566None of these outspeed Astral Barrage...
>>58382566Why did they do this to my boy Eelektross...
>>58382614>>58382627Mega Mawile has 145 ATT (instead of 125) and Mega Medicham 140 (instead of 100).
>>58383143Gave it decent boost?
>>58382703367 speed after +1 for a moveslot, plus INSANE bulk to easily SD afterwards, make it a crazy threat. Not in VGC maybe, but given that it could setup on fatter mons with SD, it's very dangerous. Glad they didn't boost its spA. Having a speed boost mon as base that can also setup means that you need to nerf speed a lot or it's automatically broken
>>58382588snarl
>>58383198It's useless. Not fast enough, not strong enough, not bulky enough. Bro needs wonder guard
>>58383143Went from shit to ok
>>58383239Given that it's a Mega that takes your slot and cannot hold an item, it's probably the worst one. Victrebell has recovery at least
>>58382703It's faster than iron valiant if it doesnt have a speed booster energy
>>58383197It's fucking huge power oh my God
>>58382762It was nice being able outspeed Kingambit and some faster defensive mons but yeah, it's a small price to pay for a massive defence boost
pointless question, but did any old mons get stat buffs? SM gave me eternal copium for some reason.
Is Starmie's physical move pool big enough to justify Attack overtaking its Special Attack
>>58382566So many slow fuckers lol, reminds me of Alola all over again
>>58383355as far as i know, just mega medicham and mega mawile getting the same +40 attack as starmie
>>58383383No. It pretty much only has stabs with return being gone.
>>58383383Rapid Spin and Tackle are the only existing Level Up moves that benefit from it. idk what it's new Level Up moves now.
>>58382566>Delphox doesn't get Levitate Dead on arrival
>>58383413It gains Liquidation and Aqua Jet in its learnset. So I'm assuming its getting more within TMs and the eventual push into Champions.
>>58383355Base medicham did, but that is more like a compensation for no huge power.
Gave eeleectross a fucking gen 3 ass stat spread. Fuck this. Probably keeping levitate as well when actual abilities are avaliable
>>58382566sucks to be eelektross, clefable, meganium, dragonite, starmie and especially pyroar
I wonder what Zygarde's gimmick is gonna be, if it changes to 100% stats when megaing. Having to Mega while in 100% sounds a little silly?
>>58383425Retard
>>58383559Dnite will be broken and Meganium surely decently viable. Clefable depends on ability, Eel is doomed unless insane ability
>>58383425What does it get then
>>58382566and uuuuuh.....uuuuuuuuuuh yeah add +20 attack to pyroar, his already shitty and worse movepool than manectric really doesn't need extra sp.atk
>>58382566I'm not a comp guy, how's Emboar?
>>58383781Better at tanking, but should've lost some speed. Definitely, a more physical attacker.
>We won’t touch hp because… two other games said so
>>58382628Chesnaught has based stats
>>58383559>dragonite-10 attack is a slap on the wrist and its special movepool is excellent. This thing is strictly an upgrade.
>>58383559Only starmie and clefable aren't improvements over the originals.
>>58383781Should have lost speed and not gained it. Sp. Atk isn't all that useful outside of a playthrough, but it can help it deal with physical walls maybe?
>>58384014Starmie is moreso a sidegrade. Clefable I don't see what's wrong unless it loses Magic Guard on Mega Ala Champions, if it does then yeah base Clefable is shitting on this thing hard.
>>58382566>216 SPECIAL ATTACK ZYGARDEARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS LOOOOLHow strong will this guy be compared to mega rayquaza?
>>58382566Overall the stats are very disappointing compared to the new meta. >No Choice Scarf/Band/Specs>No Sash>No Rocky Helmet>No Heavy-duty boots or any other itemMega Barbaracle seems very good with Shell Smash. Mega Emboar it's OK, probably with Supreme Overlord. Mega Feraligatr with Dragon Dance it's OK. Mega Meganium just sorry, if this thing have a bad ability RIP. Mega Chesnaught, actually very good and that bad with that Speed. Mega Greninja very mid. Mega Delphox, if her has Psychic Surge OMG.Mega Pyroar, why the Stats are very bad. Mega Malamar, sucks. Mega Drampa will see. Mega Chandelure very good but the Speed it's a problem. Mega Dragonite, hmm 100 Speed, Mega Charizard-Z confirmed.Conclusion. Old megas>New megas
>>58382566>ClefableViable>VictreebelDead on arrival>StarmieViable>DragoniteViable>MeganiumDead on arrival>FeraligatrViable>SkarmoryViable>FroslassViable>EmboarViable>ExcadrillViable>ScolipedeDead on arrival>ScraftyDead on arrival>EelektrossDead on arrival>ChandelureViable>ChesnaughtDead on arrival>DelphoxViable>GreninjaViable>PyroarDead on arrival>Floette-EViable>MalamarDead on arrival>BarbaracleDead on arrival>DragalgeViable>HawluchaViable>ZygardeViable>DrampaDead on arrival>FalinksViable
>>58383781He is fine.
>>58383837Technically speaking they do touch Zygarde's HP
>>58384085Relax bro, I don't see something crazy. Big number means nothing if doesn't have a good movepool or ability. Mega Mewtwo X has 190 Attack. It's broken? Never, lol. Neither Mega Mewtwo Y.
>>58383425First, this is exactly like PLA, the abilities are just those of the base forms as placeholders because this game doesn't have abilities. We won't know the actual abilities until ChampionsSecond, not getting Levitate is exactly what Delphox wants because it means it can keep abusing Psychic Terrain
>>58384151It also has 216 hp. Everyone is going to need an ice type move on their team or they're getting ass rapes
>>58384085It is worse than complete zygarde. Slightly better speed and making core enforcer usable is not worth the tradeoff of weakening what is by far its real best move (thousand arrows).
>>58384085Mega Ray could hold an item, effectively making its SpA 290 with Choice Specs
>>58382566My puppy is neither fast nor bulky... Why?
>>58382566129 isn't very high, I hope Pyroar has some interesting abilities. Contrary + Overheat, for example.
>>58384352God I wish
>>58383991I could see Hurricane Dragonite being a menace.
>>58384352Pyroar is literally inferior to plenty base form mons
>>58383781mid. Probably better in doubles.
>>58384479The speed is great at least and the design is cool
>>58382566>skarmory loses defense and becomes an offensive monlmao
>>58382566>they killed scolipedesad
>>58382566>emboar>eelektross
>>58382656oh no!!! its speed went from useless to equally useless but with the points transferred over to stats that aren't useless!!!!!1
>>58382566>Worse than sheer force + life orb regular feraligatr>The worst looking design possibleHumiliation ritual
>>58382566god mega malamar looks terrible, which is a shame because its design is cool
>>58384706Not really considering that it has a contrary (probable)
>>58384100>>Barbaracle>Dead on arrivalno way. it's got great attack, a STAB combo that can hit 95% of the dex with at least neutral damage, and good enough bulk to pull off a shell smash without issue, and that's before we even know what its ability is
>>58384503How?
>>58384694>p-p-please guys, p-please like my toilet joke i worked really hard on it!Irrelevant already, Mega Gatr is based now>ability: unknown until ChampionsAlso. Lmao.
>>58384769shell smash isnt a move any pokemon gets in ZA
>>58384773keep coping gatrfag. you and i both know it will get strong jaw. the design screams itand no they wont add water crunch to fix it
>>58384715The only good Contrary mon it's Serperior. Why? Has a good Speed. Mega Malamar is not fast and it doesn't learn any other contrarian move especially STAB. FACT. U-Turn you 24/7
>>58382566>216 SpA ZygardeExcuse me but what the actual fuck
>>58384772More speed control.
>>58384783if we're talking exclusively about ZA, then it's still perfectly decent for all of the other listed reasons, plus they'll probably give it swords dance anyways which will let it melt through damn near anythingspeed is important in ZA but doesn't matter as much when you're dealing with something with enough power to oneshot with unresisted type coverage
>meganiumExactly what I expected, EXACTLY.
>>58382566>Mewtwo Y has been toppled as the Special Attack queenMewtwosisters how do we respond to this???
>>58384896how many times is he going to get BTFO?
>>58384100>Meganium Overreacting>ChesnaughtOverreacting>BarbaracleOverreacting>DrampaOverreacting
>>58382566how does MGren compared to AshGren?
has the movepool data leaked yet?
>>58384100>Feraligatr>>ViableLargely depends on the ability. If it’s strong jaw it’s over
>>58382566>More than half of Starmie’s increased BST goes into Atk>Dragonite loses Atk when its best attribute is Extreme Speed>Greninja gets worse stats than Ash Greninja which could hold an item>Those Malamar statsAbsolute humiliation ritual.
>>58384935Worse in every way. No Scarf/Specs, Focus Sash, Life Orb even the underrated Z-moves. Speed for Mega like Greninja is bad.
>not higher speed>bulk gains are minimalUnless mega gatr has sheer force or something better it will be worse than the original
>>58382566Guaranteed top tiers:>Starmie (assumed base 100 atk huge power)>Dragonite>Excadrill>Greninja>Chesnaught>Zygarde-100Unlikely to be bad:>Hawlucha>Skarmory>Clefable>Scolipede>Dragalge>Falinks>FloetteEverything else is highly dependent on getting a new and good ability.
>>58384935Doesn't matter when Ash Greninja literally no longer exists.
>>58384964https://pastebin.com/raw/VrR8BRLf
>>58383608power construct is silly
Why are you guy caring about mega stats? This game wont be competitve at all and megas are never touching a main game again
>>58385178>implying stats matter in the campaign
>>58385178Literally confirmed to be in champions
>>58385178Did you forgot about Pokemon Champions?Also isn’t that what you said before ZA too?
>>58385030thnx
>>58385237>>58385241Champions is not a main game. No one gives a fuck about a phone game
>>58385292>Stats don't matter for what is set to be the competitive game going forwardHere is your (you)
>>58385292Where do the stats matter then? Against the piss easy NPCs in a campaign?Oh no, I can't beat Gym Leader 5 because my mega doesn't have 180 Attack! Woe is me!
>>58382566What type is Meganium
>>58385292He doesn't know.........
>>58385380Grass-Fairy
>>58383425>Delphox should lose the ability to abuse it's best move, Expanding force, because it's no longer grounded.
>>58384800Nah. Disguise
Why would they make Scolipede slow?Being a fast wrecking ball is its entire identity.
>>58385397Predictable but finally holy shit, mono grass is so ass
>>58385432yfw it gets weak armour and is doing a darknut shtick
Competitive Chad here. This is how good these are:>Doesn't matter you will never use it outside the story because banned everywhereZygarde>Will be goodSkarmoryDelphoxExcadrillBarbaracleStarmie (only one with basically confirmed ability)Dragonite>Could be good, depends on abilityClefableHawluchaScraftyDragalgeChesnaughtMeganium FeraligatrGreninjaScolipedeFloetteFalinksDrampaChandelierFroslass>An attempt was madeVictreebeelPyroarMalamarEeleektross
>>58385486cuck
>>58385432>get speed boost for a turn or two>then megaYour mega is fast now
>>58385486>Doesn't matter you will never use it outside the story because banned everywhere>ZygardeJust like mega ray, right :smug:
>>58382566This chart is obnoxious to read.
>>58384479Stats are shitty for a mega but he is basically a regional catmon, movepool wise too, dark pulse, hyper voice/beam, fire move, unless they give it boomburst he is mid BUT he can nasty plot (i think) and in pre-DLC ZA the dex is very shallow so even this shitmon can shine. It can also Plot + Fire Charge, well if it will be alive by this point.There is no Chansey or Blissey, right?And Game Freak finally nerfed stall by reducing recovery PP and removing some moves.
>>58384100>Chesnaught>dead on arrivalPick one brainlet, it's a great bulky tank and will likely be used in doubles spamming seeds and team protection.
>>58384097>hurr durr this defensive pokemon with offense capability is le bad because uuuuuh speed or something>whaaaat? noooo! you can't just use trick room to rape my hecking shonen fast mixed attackers with wet paper bulk
>>58385486>starmie>good>when his only phys moves are liquidation, zen headbutt and double edge and has 0 coverage
>>58385708Pokemon can get new moves anon. We already know movepools have changed in ZA
>>58385759We also know Z-A has a drastically reduced list of moves, just like PLA. All of these mons will get new moves come Champions
>>58385486Dragonite is dogshit.On its own, it might be good, but since its Mega DRAGONITE, there is no point running it when you could run regular Dragonite with an Item + Tera + Extreme Speed.
>>58385519No because it won't be banned from Ubers.
>>58384100>Feraligatr>viableIt didn’t even get a speed boost>>58384868I was expecting it to be on the more defensive side instead of having most of its additional stat points spent on SpAtk.
>>58385870Regular Zygarde 100% is already banned from Ubers by default.It also has 216 SpA and still has its 216 HP. And still learns Draco Meteor too.
>>58385708Starmie also gets Bulk Up now.
>>58385486Pyroar isn't that bad
>>58385708It has a good special attack, you can make a mixed set like it's sometimes done for m salamence
>>58385992Pyroar is jack shit. +20 across the board on a Pokemon that shit stats and really needed a more minmax mega.
>>58386022Now he has good coverage with earth power, maybe the ability is good, he is weird enough to have contrary
>>58386004It will just be pick either liquidation or flip turn and the rest is a regular starmie moveset.>>58385992maybe if it had a more specialized spread and didn't share its debut with Delphox and chandelure.
>>58386004There's no reason to make a mixed set if your phys moves are worse than the special ones. Something like hydro pump, psychic, close combat, flip turn COULD be good but it doesn't have CC for example
>>58386101No investment liquidation hits harder than hydro pump and won't miss. Assuming 100 attack for when it is in champions.0 Atk Huge Power Mega Starmie Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 157-186 (41.2 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO252 SpA Mega Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 154-183 (40.4 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
>>58385916>Regular Zygarde 100% is already banned from Ubers by default.no it fucking isn't you absolute retard
>>58384106no? unless any form of Zygarde can Mega evolve into it.
>>58385866>teraAnon wtf are you talking about. At least for the first comp season of Champions it's megas only, no other gimmicks.
>>58385916did you mean OU? because 50% is also banned from that anyway.
>>58382566this chart is arranged horribly
>>58386174It is.And not only is 100% form Uber, so is the 50% form.
>>58386190Regular Zygarde 100% as in the 100% form without Mega Evolving, which is what the stats for Mega Zygarde are based on.
>>58386185Champions literally shows Dondozo using Tera.Even without Tera, regular Dragonite is likely going to be miles better because of Extreme Speed.
How are we feeling about Mega Lure? 175 SPA seems pretty promising...
>>58386509Worse than Delphox because 90 speed means it gets blown away by Mega Drill.
>>58386509100% depends on what ability it gets
>>5838650990 base speed without the ability to hold a choice scarf is cuestionable...But if Kyurem could get away with running specs then I don't see an issue with Mega-Chandelure
>>58382566Predict the ability.I'm afraid Scolipede will have shell armor.
>>58386359>banned from UbersYour words, not mine. Retard.
>>5838497740 of Starmie's attack is fake, placeholder for pure power ability.
>Fanfic metaNo one cares
>>58383261eelektross gets coil + drain punch. it's a solid statline.
>>58383208What? 367 after +1 is terrible
>>58382566Fake. Where's raichu?
>>58386750in the DLC
>>58386665It’s a free +1.It’s way slower than non-mega evolving, but it’s still outspeeding base 117 Pokemon. And that’s pretty good for a Pokemon with those stats and only needing to waste 1 turn with protect.
>>58382566>Victreebel it's a SFMARIP my dream of a bulky Corrosion Pokémon
Mega Emboar
>>58386791>Announcing a DLC before the game launchWhy are they like this?
>>58386873
>>58386873>>58386885wow it goes from trash design to trash design
So can only male Pyroar mega evolve?
>>58386928no, mega always ignored gender differences
>>58386928both mega evolve into the same design, the mane looks like a fusion of male and female
i really hate how hesitant they are to minmax pokemon that really need it. ideally this'd be offset by abilities but realistically they're just going to be shitmons because they'll have shit abilities and no new moves
>>58382566Zygarde's unquestionably uber material and 216 special attack is atrocious, but is it going to be that good in context? You'll absolutely need to hit Power Construct range to even click mega in the first place, and until then you've got no item only special moves to work with (or you're running a mixed set without mixed stats). I'm not into competitive though so please tell me I'm wrong. I don't want Zygarde to be another potential mon
>>58386981pyroar's stats are genuinely patheticit's bad enough that it's somehow a more boring mega design than the fucking starmie with longer legs, but then they just slapped 20 points on everything and called it a mega
>>58382566>they reduced scols speed by 50Why Whyyyyyyyyyyywhhhhhyyyyyyyy
>>58387585Bulky mega with shell armor or algo
>>58386070>Now he has good coverage with earth powerDon't pay too much mind to Legends movepools. Scyther got Calm Mind in Arceus.
>dude just wait 1 or 2 turns for speed boost on scoli-No one is fucking doing that on a bug/poison type are you fucking high LMAOThey really thought Scolipede being fast would be too op, aahahahahahahaha
my last cope is that they'll redistribute some of these stats for champions
>>58387679Blaziken kept Speed Boost tbf
>>58387679Scolipede has literally been doing this for years why would it be any different now
>have some extra (not used Atk stat) instead of at least some bulkClassic GF pulling that shit for 12 years
>>58387679>on a bug/poison typebug/poison is actually pretty good defensively. x4 fighting resist, fairy resist, resist u-turn, x4 grass resist, neutral to ground, etc.
>>58387746I mean Blaziken is just an overall better Pokemon though. Scolipede really could have used a better ability after getting a Speed Boost. It's even worse that half of that cut speed is being wasted on sp atk.
>>58387801we don't even know what ability the mega has yet
>>58387679It’s not that hard to do.>Use Protect>Switch into a Choiced resisted attack>Switch in something that gets KO’d by your STABs and is slower>Use Follow Me/Rage Powder, Fake Out, Wide Guard, etc. in Doubles>Use Friend Guard support>Weaken the foes’s offenses
>>58387825you're not going to be able to all this shit in a row idiot
>>58387794Your only weaknesses are Flying and Fire, which arent super prevalent in regions outside the starter and a bird or two, which, just bring a fucking rock.Or, switch in on the resist, protect for the second turn of SB, Mega and sweep
>>58382566Unbalanced as ever, megas am I right
>>58387862also weak to rock to be fair, but still, not bad. Very easy to get +2 with bug/poison, agreed, not sure what the other guy (>>58387679) was smoking.
>>58387878>>58387836
>>58387836>>58387927you are a fucking retard
>>58387836Protect has a chance of procing twice in a row, and in Doubles you could Follow Me then Protect Scolipede.Depending on your opponent’s team and what happened previously in battle, you can switch into a Close Combat and survive another hit.The other stuff only guarantees you 1 Speed Boost, which given rest of Mega Scolipede’s stats should be more than enough to sweep a weakened team.Even if you don’t get the Speed Boost, you’re still a strong and bulky wallbreaker.
I think they see Scolipede more as a Baton Passer than a sweeper
Their abilities (probably?).
>>58388021Those are their regular abilities.
>>58382614>>58382640Starmie has Pure Power as its ability. It has the long legs to do yoga with. (No, not Huge Power. It's not a rabbit, no mochi/muscleman pun)Anything with Pure Power/Huge Power/Fur Coat got it added into the stats because there's no abilities.
>>58388021those are their non-mega abilities. We don't have any confirmed abilities for the megas.
>>58388021Mega Starmie supposedly has a Huge Power clone or something with its real attack being 100.
>>58388021
>>58388021Good as Gold Skarmory or Hawlucha
>>58388086Nah, give it sharpness and new moves. It's already got weak armor and swords dance in the base stage.
>>58388021Contrary for pyroar because it's weird
What the fuck is the point of the megas if abilities aren't in the game?
>>58382566>ClefableEh maybe broken in Doubles if it is just better Togekiss>VictreebelShit>StarmieHuge/Pure Power basically confirmed so will probably be pretty broken like Mawile and Medicham>DragoniteMaybe useful on rain teams but pretty disappointing>MeganiumShit>FeraligatrShit>SkarmoryShit>FroslassSlow and frail, 130+ speed is too common now>EmboarShit>ExcadrillGood>ScolipedeShit>ScraftyShit maybe useful in Doubles>EelektrossShit>ChandelureUnfortunate speed with bad typing>ChesnaughtBody Press hits hard, probably will be better for Doubles>DelphoxInsane stat buff but it's shit typing might hold it back>GreninjaGood but broken if you manage to get a Battle Bond boost before mega>PyroarComplete garbage>FloetteGood but no good coverage>MalamarComplete garbage>BarbaracleBanned if it keeps Shell Smash>DragalgeShit>HawluchaEh base with Unburden probably better>ZygardeUbers so don't care>DrampaShit. Could be good on Trick Room in Doubles maybe.>Falinks Probably shit but it does have a reliable omni boost moveOf course all the shit megas can actually be broken depending on ability and movesets in Champions.
>>58388340>120>slowPower creep is a disease
>>58384977>>Dragonite loses Atk when its best attribute is Extreme SpeedVS Hurricane and draco meteor? At least it now the only Special Flying dragon
