Well? Is Mega better than Ash or not? If not, what ability does it need to surpass it?
Mega Greninja needs an ability that's Infinite Use Protean + Adaptability to be even remotely useful because holy shit these stat boosts are not worth the loss of a held item
>>58383371Ash greninja was an abominable anime x games amalgam that should never have happened. Mega greninja makes my groin feel funny
>i am sure to win for my speed is superior
Ash Greninja no longer exists meaning Mega Greninja with Battle Bond far surpasses it
>>58383371Way better speed alone makes it better, assuming it doesn't get a meme ability in champions.
>>58383371>122->162 spd +10
>>58383404holy cope
>>58383371>can't use choice specs or z-moves unlike ash gren>20 points wasted on defenses>takes up mega slot unlike ashgren>extra speed doesn't change much since even vanilla gren is outspeeding pretty much everythingYeah it's a flop. No reason to use this over the broken niggas like Gengar and Barbaracle.
>>58383371It's 142 Speed, not 162And yeah, it probably is worse. Being able to get the form off immediately is great, but it's not that strong without being backed by an item
overrated ashbait redditrog
it’s impossible to tell how viable any of these are going to be without knowing their abilities
>>58383525Mega Greninja is going to need Huge Power to be viable at this point
>>58383487No your place retard
>>58383371Even if the Ability isn't great:>Get a BB boost>Then MegaBetter in every conceivable way, rest in curdled piss Trash-Gren
>>58383651Battle Bond isn’t legal anywhere outside of fanficshit.
>>58383651Champions won't let you attach Greninjinite to BB Grenigger and it won't justify it.
>>58383484>>58383501Yeah sorry I put the boost right but forgot to change the total, my bad
>>58383709Hey Verlisify, might wanna stop fucking that dog for a minute & do some actual research
>>58383709if you can transfer BB Greninja into SV and regionals into ZA, it seems like BB Greninja will also be transferrable into ZA, that's just my guess though. definitely in Champions.
>>58383371I miss Ash-Greninja but not how battle bond works
Battle Bond is not worth it. Mega Greninja can go straight in with its retarded speed and do damage.
all fun and games until it turns out the mega gets battle bond
>>58383371Held items are everything, ash-gren is superior
so they made it for merch I guess
>>58383549>No
>will have protean>and tera>and battle bond>and a megaHOW MANY OPTIONS DOES ONE FROG NEED
>>58384991Literally WHO???
>>58383371Ash Greninja is significantly better.You outspeed some more Pokemon (which isn’t that great when you have a strong priority move) at the cost of losing so much power.252+ SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 334-394 (97.9 - 115.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO252+ SpA Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 202-238 (59.2 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>58383371Didn’t Ash-Gren get snapped? The ability just boosts your stats now right?
>>58383400people said this about mega lati and they still ended up sending the base forms into irrelevancy. The hypothetical LO damage omparisons don't matter in practice because LO is a shit item that you only use if you're forced to by calcs.
>>58383371Speed is nice but ash can just hold a scarf or blush protein
>>58385119Weaker than life orb might only really matter for mega gatr if it doesn't keep sheer force. Anything else either gets at least one of improved bull that matters when not taking additional chip damage or a better speed tier to make up for it.
>>58385103Yes. Both the ability and the form were reconned. >>58385058
>>58385199Oh yeah mega gatr is cooked. No idea what ability could even salvage that one.
>>58385058The form that lives rent free in your mind for some reason
>>58383404>an abominable anime x games amalgamHow do you feel about Yellow version?
>>58383371As long as its ability is godly, it can thrive solely off of the fact that Battle Bond Greninja can revenge kill, get the stat boosts, and then pop Mega.
>>58385418K
>>58383471More speed kinda becomes redundant after a certain point. If you outspeed almost everything already then you'd see more use out of higher offenses to actually make use of that speed. The ability to hold an item makes the difference in power even more noticeble.
>>58385480>s-shut up I'm having a blast by spamming the same pics all the time! My obsession means you lost! So sad.
>>58383832>In exchange for Specs boosted Hydro Pumps from 153 SpA (which is about 65% more firepower) and 60 BP priority move>You get 10 extra Speed that only lets you tie with Dragapult>Outspeed 9 whole Pokemon (most of whom don’t take kindly to Water Shuriken anyways)>And also slightly more bulk that barely does anything
>>58385586"I accept your concession"
