Game budgets.>SV DLC: 500mil JPY / 3mil USD>Legends Z-A: 2bil JPY / 13mil USD>Gen 10: 3bil JPY / 20mil USDHonestly, the budget is higher than I'd expect. These games feel so low effort. Maybe it all gets pissed away on marketing.
What was SV's base game budget?Keep in mind that GTA6's development and marketing will end up costing north of $1,000,000,000.There's no reason for GF to be stingy given their franchise grosses more.
>>58396820The higher the budget, the more you have to sell to make a profit. That's why the AAA industry is such a shitshow right now, budgets are way too fucking big. It leads to companies being risk-averse.
>>58396791Why the fuck are Centro posts suddenly getting spammed? Make the shilling less obvious.
>>58396791ZA has a shoestring budget with its ONE CITY
>>58396836Centro is based af
>>58396791If ZA is the best they could do with 13mil I dont see how the extra 7mil would make much difference. Another gen of shovelware garbage.
>>58396820gta6 is never going to make that back thoughI'd rather pokemons budget be on the smaller size then enter the hundreds of million dollar death pits that are killing the rest of the industry
What's his salary?
>>58396924Like Gen 10: Infinity
>>58396919pokemon games should have the budget of zelda games (100 million)
>>58396924They pay him in bugs
>>58396791>Maybe it all gets pissed away on marketingThe nigger literally said "DEVELOPMENT budgets" you retard
>>58396950Game Fuck shills are super assmad today it seems.
>>58396791There are indie games made by smaller developers with smaller budgets that are far more ambitious both graphically and in gameplay.Makes you wonder just how badly mismanaged those budgets are.
>>58396889Centro is a gay faggot with his limp dick maricon boyfriends sonicfox, sacredalmighty, adrive, ruffledrowlit, poketips mike, mysticumbreon, hdvee and purplecliffe.
>>58396791These faggots probably use most of this money to go on vacation kek
>>58396820Japs are the Jews of Asia
>>58396983As you scale a company, costs and productivity don't linearly grow with it. There are diminishing returns in the management and bureaucracy of a bigger organization.The reason why indie games can be so good is because there are fewer people pulling the levers. Hence if their artistic vision is good then it'll definitely show in the game.Whereas in a big company then every decision has to go through the chain of command, and the choices made are more often than not financially motivated - as in "what will sell?" or "what is more cost-effective?"
>>58396834I agree that budgets are far too large, but GF's Pokemon budgets are far too small.>>58396919>GTA6 will never make that backDoubt, it won't be as profitable as GTA5 was by any stretch. Some that is the nature of the economy, some of that is sheer expense, but it will definitely make a handsome profit. GTAV grossed $800m its release day and it sold 215m copies to stores to date.Take Two must sell 30m copies to break even and since this is a live service game in the form of GTA Online they'll make a killing off of the paypigs there.
i still want to know how much of sv's budget went into that corny ending credits collab song and those idiotic iono trailers
Christ alive, where do those profits go?
>>58397604merch
>>58397625THEY GET EVEN MORE FROM MERCH
>>58396924You can just tell this guy doesn't wipe his butt
>>58396791These budgets are honestly egregious overpays compared to the final products.
>>58396791they spend it to sue palworl
>>58396924Joe Merrick's boypussy
>>58396924How did they let a major face of the company dress so fucking evil
>>58396791So ZA was made on a budget of about 4 Bugattis. Most Indian thing I’ve typed out all year.
>>58397631Those flashy charts showing revenue don't tell the full story about Pokemon's profit. That massive merch revenue is split between retailers, licensees, Nintendo, and Creatures. That's why they cut out partners like Media Factory and Wizards.They make a lot from merch, but it's not pure profit. The games have better margins than plushies, they just sell far fewer units of games than merch.
>>58397726Wizards was just retarded and took for granted Pokemon Cards. They concerned themselves entirely with other franchises.
>>58396791is winds/waves the gen 10 mainline? when is release date?
>>58397726Merch > TCG > gamesThe games are an irrelevance these das and the merch is is for children. Real fans invest in the TCG
>>58396791For reference: BOTW's budget was around $100 Million USD
>>58397813>The games are an irrelevance these dasThey sell millions with every entry
>>58397848>They sell millions with every entryThey sell billions of cards to more people and make more money from cards
>>58396919>gta6 is never going to make that back thoughWith the base game, that is true, even if they sell it for the rumored 100 bucksBut remember that GTA V has made ~10 Billion and 90% of that money has come from GTA online microtransactions. They're going all in for GTA 6 to provide big bux with online MTX, the single player campaign is just a smokescreen, a bait, to catch the occasional whale
>>58397796Wizards handled distribution and marketing better than TPC. They didn't lose Pokemon because they fumbled, or because they printed too many Harry Potter cards, they lost it because TPC was designed to consolidate brand mgmt and bring as much in-house as possible. Prior to TPC, they also relied a lot on NoA as a middle man.Hasbro/Wizards was by far the strongest partner Pokemon had in those early years. Their ability to strongarm retailers helped get Pokemon onto more shelves in more stores. Losing Wizards did a lot of damage to Pokemon's visibility, at a time when the brand was already struggling for relevance. The only time I ever saw early TPC sets advertised was Nintendo Power, but anyone reading NP was already plugged in and aware of the Advanced games.
>>58397891Does anyone know exactly what the profit margin is on video games for stores? Is it 33%?The other challenge for this calculation was that most copies of GTAV were not sold at full price. If I said they averaged $15 profit on each copy sold would that number be acceptable?If so GTAV has made $4B to date just on sales of the game itself. The rest would money made from GTAO.
>>58397813>Real fans>>>investment
>>58397813The games and anime provide the framework for everything else. Even though most casuals don't watch every episode or play for hundreds of hours, they still engage with the anime and games and use them as a touchstone. If a new batch of Pokemon debuted on backpacks and cards, with no supporting game or anime, they would bomb. Pokemon relies heavily on Nintendo's model of the "talent agency", their focus is on elevating characters and IP as if they were talent, and leveraging that into merch sales. Pokemon's talent is given validity and relevance because of the anime and games, not the other way around. It's like how musicians make their money from concert tickets and merchandise. Not from streams, or radio play, or CD sales. But those concerts and merch are branded around the latest CD. Even if few people buy the CD, that's still the touchstone. That's the canon that the t-shirts and sunglasses are spun out from.
>>58397991That was for the DLC for clarification, that's still very little.
>>58397965>real fans aren't the ones who spend more on the franchiseVGbabbies btfo
>>58397991Wait that's only for the DLC, I'm fucking retarded. Still, most people bought the DLC from what I've seen, so still insane profits.
>>58396820they don't need to put any effort because they know pokespicjeet cattle will buy and defend the slop anyway
>>58398008>real fans aren't the ones that interact and engage with the medium rather than viewing it as an avenue for making money
>>58398011Shareholders LOVE when you spend as little money as possible while making as much money as possible. There's no need to spend more than absolutely necessary, because even the suits know it: You WILL buy it anyway.
>>58398081Pokemon would die if people didn't invest in the TCG. VGbabbies are one sale and done. TCGchads keep supporting it through the years
>>58398098Yes, we understand you're paypiggies.
>>58397805Next fall, THE SAME TIME THEY ALWAYS RELEASE THEIR GAMES.
>>58398121We keep the franchise alive so you kids can enjoy your meaningless games
>>58398086Even without that fiduciary responsibility, it's hard to justify doubling or tripling your budget, when the next project is already underway, and you know giving it a 2x or 3x budget won't give you proportional returns. Why spend another 30 or 60 m USD, just to move a few millions more units. And that's a generous estimate, that assumes there are millions of potential customers who continually pass on Pokemon games. People passed on BW and SM because they moved on from the DS and 3DS. Those systems were collecting dust. Late life Switch has more active users buying and playing software than late DS or 3DS did, which is why SV outsold SwSh.
>>58398166You wouldn't have your preschool playground cardboard game without the video games
>>58398086Because higher quality ensures more customer loyalty. So many people dropped the franchise because the games were too shit. Everyone is ridiculing the shitty graphics. You can only take so much negative publicity until your franchise loses popularity because everyone sees only negative opinions.
>>58398278This is true for the 90s, but this is now. Nobody cares about the games. More people care about the cards and the value they represent
>>5839679110 mil of that budget goes into advertising
>>58396820anon even with the issues I have with gamefreak no game should be fucking 1 billion dollars to make
>>58398285Pokemon is a bit unique in that retarded parents will buy it for their kids because they know it's a kids game and they might have liked it as kids. Pokemon is carried solely by the brand name, it doesn't matter how terrible the games are, they'll still buy it for their kid. Even if the games got universal 1/10's across the board they'd still sell because at least half of the people buying it don't engage with review sites. It sucks that kids have to be subjected to such low quality games though.
>>58398344what part of "development budget" did you not understandmarketing budget is completely separate and probably 4x to 5x to development cost with any big release from call of duty to pokemon
>>58398299Their value is drawn from the games and anime.The same way people get hyped for Smash Bros reveals, even if they never played Tekken or Kingdom Hearts or Banjo-Kazooie. They know those characters are valuable and important because their games are valuable and important. Pokemon cards are a proxy. They're a fiat currency. Charizard is valuable because the anime gave him a spotlight and Red version put him on the cover. If Gen 10 only released as a TCG set, it would fail. People have no association or emotional attachment to them. TCG value isn't just based on rarity, otherwise every SR would be worth the same. It's not based on their viability in the current TCG format. It's derived from the emotions people feel because of the anime and games.
>>58398483Nope, nobody cares about the games and anime any more. >If Gen 10 only released as a TCG set, it would fail.Nobody cares about newgen Pokemon. Sets live and die by their appeal to adults with nostalgia of the old days.
>>58398520Wrong.
>>58398539Butthurt vgbabby
>>58398520Nostalgia sells because they market it. They market new forms of Charizard, Pikachu, Mewtwo, Gengar. The games and anime are the marketing platforms for the merch. You confuse the forest for the trees. The TCG is the moneymaker, but it's not the kingmaker.
>>58398395Let's not lie either and say the alternatives are much higher quality. All games are overbudgeted and overproduced garbage right now and the only ones that escape it are indie games.
>>58398358I was using literally the most extreme example.Most AAA games are in that $200-500m bracket. This would have been an insane budget 15 years ago, but it's more common now.
>>58397813KEK
>>58396791Low numbers, but it's kinda what you'd expect from a cashgrab franchise.
>>58399276Pokemon is a quad A franchise with AA games.They have the full backing of Nintendo, they have a whole company dedicated to branding, they have multiple dedicated support studios, but Game Freak still operates and views itself as an indie studio. In terms of planning and development, GF still has final say, and it's up to their partners to implement those ideas, and clean up the mess if GF decides to delay the game.It's kind of cool, just given their history and formation. But as a fan of Pokemon, it's frustrating to see this massive brand held back because GF operates without the same checks and balances you'd expect from a flagship Nintendo franchise. Nintendo has got to hate this, but Pokemon is too big to lose, so they're at the mercy of GF's decision making.
What's the chance Beast of Reincarnation is actually a glorified test demo for an engine that will be used in gen 11 or the "multi-japan region" 2028 game
>>58396791What do you mean higher than expected???Fucking PALWORLD had a 60 million budget.These are shoestring as fuck it's no wonder the end results are so half assed and rushed out.
>>58399802Palworld is a money laundering scheme
>>58399766No, Beast of Reincarnation uses Unreal engine.
>>58399830Pokemon Engine X is also based on Unreal Engine
>>58399802>Fucking PALWORLD had a 60 million budget.and will never be a finished game.another early access scam.
>>58399807>money comes from Japan's abhorrent obsession of bitcoin >laundering What? also don't they actually put that money to good use and use it on their actual game to make it better though?
>>58399845Source?
>>58399881>What? also don't they actually put that money to good use and use it on their actual game to make it better though?All of Palworlds budget was spent on viral advertising. It's literally asset store nonsense built ontop of the skeleton of their previous game.
>>58398133It's called autumn though
>>58396791They should lower the budget even further. The fans will eat it up anything anyway so might as well squeeze them in the most optimal way.
What was Expedition 33's budget?
>>5839679110 million isn't much for the budget of your average western game.
>>58399448>Nintendo has got to hate thiskek no, they fucking love it. they have an infinite free money hack and they have to do absolutely nothing to maintain it
>>58399910And the concept isn't even original.It's just ARK with bootleg Pokémon.
>>58399929>What was Expedition 33's budget?€400m
>>58399910>buzzwords on buzzwordsWhat advertisement besides their twitter posts? also isn't ZA built off the skeletons of the previous legend's games so i don't see how this is a problem also its kind of funny that people like you say asset store bought when nobody actually post images of actual proof of them using exact models from an asset store
>>58396791>2/3 billions>games still look like late PS2 gameshow?
they make billions of dollars yearly and still can’t please people with good games
>>58399942Nintendo cares more about owning and controlling IP than game sales. That's why they prop up Metroid.Pokemon isn't the only IP they don't fully control. Kirby, Punch Out, Star Tropics, Xenoblade all have split ownership too. But Pokemon is the biggest Nintendo IP they don't fully own and exploit. They're at the whims of a ramshackle faux indie studio. Game Freak could make the most unhinged, unmarketable roster for Gen 10, and Nintendo would be stuck having to market turdmon and shitpoke as flagship characters.
>>58399954What? It's estimated around $30m, or €25m. That's about 4.5 billion yen.
>>58400067>A fucking indie game apparently had more budget to blow than the next game in the biggest franchise on earth
>>58399862>Game will be finished this year with last huge update>Creators are open and do their bestbest
>>58399965>>58400193Come now, don't let reality get in the way of /vp/tard delusions
>>58400118To be fair, that budget is fucking tiny by modern standards. Short indie films have more budget than thhat
>>58400655movie industry is literally all money laundering to cover up for drug and/or child and general human trafficking or some shit
>>58396791Unreal to think that every mainline pokemon game so far has cost less than 100 million to make combined.
>>58396791>they aren't even cheaping out to save coststhen why is everything so shit, I swear the more we learn about how they make games the less sense it makes
>>58400029Yes except Pokemon sells regardless and they know that. They were literally rescued by the franchise and as such owe a great debt to it. It reinvigorated the Game Boy and gave the company a huge cash inflow in a period where their home console was being put under immense pressure by the Playstation
>>58396791God, imagine a world where Pokemon got the respect it deserves. Massive 10/10 games, setting the casual RPG standard. TPC and gamefreak should burn.
>>58396791Where is all that money going? It sure isn't going toward any of the games.
>>58403033They're just incompetent. It's that simple
>>58400870It's not just that, there's activist philanthropy and literal government funding. All kinds of government services are funding state propaganda in films, much of it progressive or civil rights oriented. It's how these films can lose tens of millions and still get made.
>>58396820Actually that's the fun part. You don't need a bugger budget if you can make Gazillions. From a business perspective Game Freak has a goldmine. Pokémon is able to run a couple million dollars into billions. Why mess with a working formula when there's suckers (us) willing to buy their kusoge.
>>58398285The heads of Game Freak probably get a hard on on how little they can spend to make a game. Imagine having a brand do profitable that you can sell garbage and it still make a lot of money. Unlike other game developers who have to make actual good games in order to make money, Game Freak can keep pumping shit, after shit, after shit and make bank.
>>58400029Nintendo devs like Miyamoto probably scratch their heads how such shitty games sell but the suits love it because they can make shit work. I imagine inside the company the devs are probably like thank the Kamis we don't work at Game Freak.
>>58404221Miyamoto helped BIRTH the fucking things, you dumb cunt. He was the one who suggested just TWO versions with exclusives, rather than Tajiri's idea of 6 thousand separate tables determined on initial game start-up. Sounds like you're projecting your own fee-fees onto Miyamoto-san there.And all because you're mad they stopped making games for (You). Sad!
>>58404270Yeah back when the games were fun little Gameboy JRPG. Miyamoto told Tajiri, you know you could make more money if you split the monsters and use that trading thing. He never imagined it would become the thing that is today. A man who is autistic as fuck on quality control to the point that he would tell his devs to start over if shit isn't working would never take ownership of what Pokémon became.
>>58404287Yeah, that's kinda the point - NO one knew it would take over the world. But no-one at Nintendo was going to stop it, nor act snootily over it (as pointed out, its success gave Nintendo a money pipeline to tank fails like Gamecube and WiiU) when it was helping pay their salaries.
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>>58400118The studio founder's father is a real estate billionaire so the budget is actually even higher than that, he was funding them for 6-7 years before they got the $30m from publisher.
The games looks like shit because they are yearly, good games take years like new digimon,
>>58396791That’s low, Nintendo is just good at budgeting to make themselves viable in the long term
>>58404146It's not that fun.While I agree development costs have ballooned to insane degrees, a 2x-3x increase in Pokemon budgets is probably warranted given GameFreak can't seem to make a game that has compelling post-story content and can't seem to release a game without glaring bugs.$40-60m is still well under what Nintendo is currently spending on their flagships and even those are relatively cheap.
>>58396791>Flagship game has less than 10% of CP77's budgetBIGGEST MEDIA FRANCHISE IN HISTORY SMALL INDIE COMPANY PUREASU UNDASUTANDU
>>58408657Honestly if anything it's all the more baffling how they even do this. Pokémon is a fucking money printing machine, holy fuck.
>>58408613Honestly I wouldn't trust Game Freak with such a larger budget. Game Freak should instead be more of the ideas department and instead let a competent studio implement said ideas.
>>58408723it's not baffling, the games only bring in like 3% of their total earnings for pokemon. it's more of an obligation to introduce future merch
please save money saars it's not a profit unless it's 20x the production costs
>>58399942They love the free money.>>58399448But also don't like reputation damage.The fact that they can make gamefreak move into the same building as EPD tokyo is a bit of their powerplay.
