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>>58407763
Isn't entirely useless to talk about competitiveness at this point, outside of Z-A?
We have no idea what the abilities will be. There's no guarantee that the new move distribution will carry over to Champions.

>>58407827
We already have plenty of info with typing and stats to speculate
I also think its interesting feraligatr is only getting +90 instead of +100 to his BST
https://pastebin.com/raw/VrR8BRLf

Can someone leak how moves actually work in ZA instead of how they work in the fucking turn base traditional system?

>>58407950
Then doc if you wanna be more direct
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/186cXkyHVlvOSEoWOkpzpcTMkkUoE5j9sBO7R25HEKZg/htmlview?gid=353833762&pru=AAABmf5XPQ8*9zwzl-LsgWDT8B9SNoc8Dw#gid=945860250

It's going to be a massive gauntlet of figuring out who sucks and who is good. The majority will be shit because I don't think people truly understand how good some items are vs mega stones. Abilities are really going to make or break it. Just based off stats and movepool

Froslass - Likely will be good, frail but fast ice type will be good. Basically special weavile/chienpao

Excadrill - Basically a better excadrill that does not need sand to be fast. However, 103 speed isn't really that much these days so it remains to be seen.

Delphox - From stats alone it's kinda nuts with that speed and spatk but i think we really need ability to determine.

Gatr will be strong for sure, but I think he still needs at least 2 dds to set up and he doesnt have any recovery either iirc

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We still got this in the bag
+2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Great Tusk: 466-550 (107.3 - 126.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Valiant: 322-379 (111.4 - 131.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

+2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 411-484 (103 - 121.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Only things that can stop this are scafers, Gholdengo, and Unaware walls like Dondozo and Clod

>>58407950
>I also think its interesting feraligatr is only getting +90 instead of +100 to his BST
???
It goes from 530 to 630.

>>58408110
And here’s Jolly
> +2 252 Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Ting-Lu: 884-1044 (171.9 - 203.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> +2 252 Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Valiant: 293-345 (101.3 - 119.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> +2 252 Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 375-442 (93.9 - 110.7%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

> +2 252 Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Blastoise-Mega: 459-541 (153 - 180.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> +2 252 Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Delphox: 352-414 (120.9 - 142.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>58408110
but what if they give him slow start

>>58407971
What's there to "leak"? We know moves have different cooldowns, likely based on how strong the move is. When I played the demo, it kind of ended up just being "spam all moves on cooldown all the time" though.

>>58407763
The only Mega we can really do any theorycrafting sets for now is Mega Starmie since it’s the only one with almost confirmed ability.
With that said, Mega Starmie is absolutely nuts.
252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Starmie Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 255-300 (74.7 - 87.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Starmie Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew in Rain: 382-450 (112 - 131.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
You got essentially a better Mega Medicham since Mega Starmie faster, bulkier, and gets its Water STAB Rain boosted so its Liquidation even stronger than Close Combat without the drawback and its Aqua Jet is both STAB and Rain boosted.

>>58408110
>Only things that can stop this are scafers, Gholdengo, and Unaware walls like Dondozo and Clod
Have you forgotten that Shell smash upgrades Speed as well, anon?
To outspeed Mega barbaracle, you'd need a base 118 speed scarf user with a + speed nature at the very least, gholdengo is never reaching that.
And since you probably run EQ as well, it's a clean OHKO on gholdengo (unless it's an air balloon one in which case it becomes more dicey with Rock slide/stone edge), and a very comfortable 2HKO on Clodsire (it ranges from 81% to 96%).
Dondozo would be a massive problem, though.
There is no way to bring it down so long as it uses curse on the first turn.

+2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Unaware Dondozo: 195-229 (38.6 - 45.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

If it uses wave crash and you high roll twice on close combat, you have a chance but no more than that.

>>58408176
Move effects got changed, accuracy doesn't exist in ZA, multi hit moves or turn locking ones don't exist in ZA so these moves work in diferent a different way, there is certainly better ways to attack than just spam everything until need to wait for cooldown, some move change your position the field and compensate for low walking speed, they have AoE that hit in line cone or circular area of effects meaning that a lot of single targets moves in the old sistem now can hit multiple targets, some move don't even have battle utility like smoke screen.

I hope pure power gets nerfed to just a +40 boost just because I'm petty and don't want to see mega starmie succeed

>>58408153
True i cant math properly

>>58408233
I feel like you could run a very mean mixed set on Mega Starmie, all of its' stats are just insane, and it got a special movepool to answer anything it wants : just not at the same time.
I'd see something like Flip turn/Rapid spin/Thunderbolt/Psychic (or Psycho cut) be unbearable to face.
It's un-spinblockable. Switch in gholdengo? If you misread :
252+ Atk Pure Power Starmie Flip Turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 187-222 (59.3 - 70.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Metal birds face the same problem with thunderbolt. And Mega-Starmie could very well get Ice spinner since it was a gen 9 move.

>>58407950
ZA movepools won't truly reflect the main game ones, and abilities can completely change our understanding of how strong a mega actually is
For all we know M-Salamence could still be the best mega that makes everything else simply not worth using

>>58408310
If gatr gets strong jaw tho then hes really fucked cause he didnt get any new moves in za

>>58408110
>Shell Smash without the herb to recover your defenses + CC to further make you frailer
You're getting oneshot by mach punch

>>58408331
One of the best and most broken Cloyster sets was using King’s Rock

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You’re gonna see him a lot

> 252 Atk Pure Power Starmie Liquidation vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Skeledirge: 458-542 (111.4 - 131.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> 252 Atk Pure Power Starmie Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Ting-Lu: 380-450 (73.9 - 87.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

> 252 Atk Pure Power Starmie Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Great Tusk: 368-434 (84.7 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

> +1 252 Atk Pure Power Starmie Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Great Tusk: 548-648 (126.2 - 149.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> 252 Atk Pure Power Starmie Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 300-354 (71.4 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

> 252 Atk Pure Power Starmie Liquidation vs. 244 HP / 244+ Def Gliscor: 288-342 (81.8 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal

> 4 SpA Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 244 HP / 0 SpD Gliscor: 378-446 (107.3 - 126.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> 252 Atk Pure Power Starmie Liquidation vs. 244 HP / 36 Def Gliscor: 372-438 (105.6 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> 252 Atk Pure Power Starmie Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Clodsire: 464-548 (100 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

And don’t forget it gets Recover, now imagine it having Ice Spinner or even better Triple Axel

>>58408363
Anon, as broken I believe M-Barbaracle is as outlined here >>58408240 , I feel like you're massively understating the difference between base 130 DEF (Barbaracle) and 180 (Cloyster).
To put it into perspective, at -1 DEF - that is, right after shell smashing and no close combat, a burned Conkeldurr is looking at those odds :
252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Mach Punch vs. -1 4 HP / 0 Def Barbaracle: 272-324 (95.1 - 113.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

That is, if you don't whip out Barbaracle AS1AP before Conkeldurr get done by its' own flame orb, you run a very fat risk of you just dying.
The good news, though, is that Barbaracle is very good on kingambit.

>>58408391
Also Corv

> 4 SpA Starmie Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Corviknight: 184-218 (46.1 - 54.6%) -- 55.9% chance to 2HKO

>>58408309
Mixed Starmie would depend on what the environment is like. Mega Starmie has no use for special moves for 95% of the entire series. Only something like Ferrothorn would be able to deal with those high power Water and Psychic moves.
Like here is Hydreigon vs Mega Starmie
252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Starmie Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 138-163 (42.4 - 50.1%) -- 37.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recover
So it’d really only want to use something like Fire Blast so it can deal with Ferrothorn and Mega Abomasnow. Otherwise its just better to spam Liquidation.

>>58408435
252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Mach Punch vs. -1 0 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 204-242 (84.6 - 100.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

>>58408391
That's an insta ban to Uber. It's going to make company to Shell Smash Mega Blastoise.

Will Rest+ Sleep Talk Mega Emboar be a viable Pokémon in OU?

I don't think Scolipede is staying in OU either.

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>>58408646
That it it keeps Speed Boost which is the only way it gets in OU, let alone getting banned, and even then some of these calcs aren’t too promising (unless it gets Temper Flare maybe), and no Boots too. Idk if it’s ever getting Aqua Tail or Throat Chop back.

> +2 252 Atk Scolipede Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 181-214 (48.7 - 57.6%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO

> +2 252 Atk Scolipede Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Unaware Clodsire: 344-406 (74.2 - 87.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

> +2 252 Atk Scolipede Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 216+ Def Garganacl: 282-334 (69.8 - 82.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

> +2 252 Atk Scolipede Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 112+ Def Scizor-Mega: 144-170 (41.9 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

> +2 252 Atk Scolipede Rock Slide vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 120-142 (30 - 35.5%) -- 31.3% chance to 3HKO

> +2 252 Atk Scolipede Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Skarmory: 159-188 (58.6 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

> 252+ SpA Choice Specs Raging Bolt Draco Meteor vs. 200 HP / 4 SpD Scolipede: 364-430 (117 - 138.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> 252 SpA Gardevoir-Mega Psyshock vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Scolipede: 222-264 (71.3 - 84.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

> +2 252 Atk Scolipede Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Unaware Dondozo: 135-160 (26.7 - 31.7%) -- 32.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

>>58408783
A better ability for Mega Scolipede would be Tinted Lens clone or even upgraded Tinted Lens.
That way Mega Scolipede isn’t forced out as often when something like Skarmory comes in to wall it and can retain that +1 Speed it gets before Mega Evolution.

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I have high hopes for my boy Chesnaught. The dude's Body Press is only outclassed by the Zamazentas when Dauntless Shield procs, and he has Iron Defense (and Coaching if you're into doubles) to further bolstser his Defense plus Synthesis and Pain Split to stay on the field.

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>>58408783
>Corvknight
>mega scizor
>Skarmory
lel
The metagame is changing, bro.

>>58408110
Is this motherfucker freiza posing?

>>58408889 >>58408783

I could only with with Tinted Lens if they make its Spe 82 in Champions

> 4 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Scolipede: 117-138 (37.6 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

> +2 252 Atk Tinted Lens Scolipede Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Great Tusk: 328-386 (75.5 - 88.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

> +2 252 Atk Tinted Lens Scolipede Megahorn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragapult: 524-618 (165.2 - 194.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> +2 252 Atk Tinted Lens Scolipede Megahorn vs. 248 HP / 112+ Def Scizor-Mega: 258-306 (75.2 - 89.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

> 252+ Atk Excadrill Earthquake vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Scolipede: 153-180 (49.1 - 57.8%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO (mega drill btw)

> +2 252 Atk Tinted Lens Scolipede Megahorn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Excadrill: 412-486 (114.1 - 134.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> +2 252 Atk Tinted Lens Scolipede Gunk Shot vs. 244 HP / 36 Def Gliscor: 330-390 (93.7 - 110.7%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

> 252+ Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Scolipede on a critical hit: 219-261 (70.4 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

> +2 252 Atk Tinted Lens Scolipede Megahorn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 412-486 (120.8 - 142.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> +2 252 Atk Tinted Lens Scolipede Megahorn vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Kommo-o: 228-270 (78.3 - 92.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> 252 Atk Lopunny-Mega Frustration vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Scolipede: 123-145 (39.5 - 46.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

> +2 252 Atk Tinted Lens Scolipede Megahorn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lopunny-Mega: 436-514 (160.8 - 189.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> +2 252 Atk Tinted Lens Scolipede Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 8 Def Slowking-Galar: 492-580 (124.8 - 147.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

> 0 SpA Slowking-Galar Future Sight vs. 200 HP / 4 SpD Scolipede: 282-332 (90.6 - 106.7%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

It's still crazy to me that Ash Greninja has better stats than Mega Greninja and having a Battle Bonded one makes you weaker

>>58409077
It's not getting tinted lens, that wouldn't make any sense.
Probably either keeping speed boost or getting a horn related ability that boosts horn moves or some lame shit like that

Is mega feraligatr better than life orb feraligatr?

>>58409091
On the bright side, Mega Greninja can learn Nasty Plot (which technically Ash Greninja can’t) and it has potential with any possible ability.

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>>58407763
You're all looking at the wrong Megas, rather than your shiny new toys remember who got a movepool buff. This faggot right here is going to be truly the new hot cancer if it keeps Shell Smash

>>58409129
Insta ban to Ubers

>>58409129
For like a week at most

>>58409129
No way they're giving him shell smash now lmao

>>58409108
He has more bulk at least. But it will depend on the ability.

>>58409099
Maybe not Tinted Lens itself, but a clone of it.
It’d be its best potential ability since it synergizes well with Speed Boost. You wouldn’t need to switch out as often when only thing that still walls you are Corv and regular Skarm, thus letting you keep its +1 or even +2 Spe as you wreck havok.

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Yah no, have fun in Ubers. This shit learns Calm Mind.

Someone feed me some Drampa copium

>>58409181
If it learned either leech Life or Horn Leech it would at least have a reliable way to get some health back.
But it suffer badly from 4 slots syndrome to use those moves.

>>58409191
A Trick Room beast.

>>58407763
Strong Jaw is a guaranteed lock, the only hope if for if Strong Jaw itself gets a rightful buff. Personally, the way I would fix it is making Strong Jaw guarantee a STAB boost on biting moves regardless of typing

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>me, hitting anything with Mega Gatr's astronomically high attack after 1 DD

>>58409233
There's Dragon's Maw too. They made him a dragon type for a reason.

>>58409257
that would be too fucked. Drago keeps the ability in check by having 100/100

>>58409296
It still gets walled by Ferrothorn. Perhaps less so if it has Strong Jaw because Crunch is a good cover move to Dark types.

>>58409187
The FUCK were they thinking with that speed stat?

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>>58409257
I don’t understand why he would get strong jaw with a movepool like this, none of the starters got new signature moves like the strong jaw retards were coping about a few weeks ago
Levelup Moves Count: 13
Tutor: Crunch
Lvl 1: Tackle
Lvl 1: Leer
Lvl 1: Slash
Lvl 6: Water Gun
Lvl 10: Bite
Lvl 15: Bubble Beam
Lvl 21: Aqua Jet
Lvl 26: Breaking Swipe
Lvl 35: Screech
Lvl 40: Liquidation
Lvl 50: Hydro Pump
Lvl 56: Outrage
TM Moves Count: 29
- Swords Dance
- Double-Edge
- Roar
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Blizzard
- Hyper Beam
- Earthquake
- Dig
- Agility
- Double Team
- Waterfall
- Rock Slide
- Substitute
- Curse
- Protect
- Icy Wind
- Endure
- Rock Smash
- Whirlpool
- Brick Break
- Rock Tomb
- Dragon Claw
- Water Pulse
- Giga Impact
- Ice Fang
- Bulldoze
- Work Up
- Flip Turn
but at the same time game freak has done way more idiotic things. Whats making me hesitant is that he is a reasonably popular starter.
Honestly what makes it even worse for me is that he still doesn’t learn dragon rush for some fucking reason. In order for this mega to be 100% synergetic it needs something like tough claws or dragons maw.
The 160 base attack is huge but it will hit less hard than base gatr if they give him strong jaw with the sole exception being crunch. A part of me wants to cope and think they plan on giving him fishous rend, that would change EVERYTHING and ban him to ubers.
Seriously just let him keep sheer force and give him dragon rush (or add a secondary effect to dragon claw or outrage), hes technically not using his mouth to bite and his most powerful move is fucking outrage, which he also learns naturally.
Maybe they should just give him a new ability that buffs moves like outrage/thrash

>>58409187
Nasty Plot too more recently since S/V

>>58409483
Good. I won't have to look at its stupid beard if its banned to ubers.

>>58409433
not fishious rend but maybe wave crash + all the fang moves and it's extremely solid, also, it is an extremely good revenge sweeper
>comes in
>aqua jet ko without mega
>+1 atk moxie
>suddenly nothing can switch in

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>>58409651
Where are you getting moxie from? Also he only gets 2 fang moves with the ice one being as powerful a sheer force boosted ice punch, i don’t see how strong jaw can ever make it solid even if it did get all the fang moves. They would all be weaker than his dragon stab outrage and only crunch and poison fang would be about as strong as its nerfed unboosted stab liquidation all other fang moves would be weaker even if SE not that fang moves had good SE coverage to begin with.

>>58409751
And then there’s Psychic Fangs at 85BP

Does it get that in S/V?

I still dont understand why Gf gave megas to shitters like absol or houndoom instead of making them their last evolution.

>>58409819
And they just did it again with fucking Chimecho of all things, which was never good competitively afaik

>>58409833
If for example mega houndoom was a regular evo,you could actually usually in a sun team,but being a mega there is no fucking reason to run it on a team instead of charizard.

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>>58409187
>MegaZard Y with an actual speed stat
>Nasty Plot and Calm Mind in it's moveset since S/V
>Probably has levitate as it's ability

We need Sucker Punch. The world needs him.

Megas are going to ruing the metagame again.
I don't want to have to deal with mega Charizard X again. The fuck,are you crazy? Getting swept is never fun.

>>58410022
Just use Kingambit

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>randomly gets one of the best buffs in history of pokemon
but is this even worthwhile in modern meta?
suicide lead seems to be a thing of the past

Megas are going to bless the metagame again.
I want to deal with the bless that is mega Charizard Y in doubles. The fuck, you are crazy for not wanting this. Getting the bless of sun buffing is always fun.

>>58410074
And they’re giving this a DLC megas too

>>58410085
And with the past/ancient paradox pokémon too, like Great Tusk, Walking Wake, and Raging Bolt

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>mega sableye now gets parting shot

>>58408246
>multi hit moves or turn locking ones don't exist in ZA
pin missile and bullet seed both exist, they're just a series of projectiles as a single attack

>>58410085
Why are you doing this in every thread, schizo?

I hope they make Mega Starraptor Flying/Fighting.

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>>58410152
Oh wait no I just checked
He's Normal/Flying

>>58410108
HE GETS WHAT!?

>>58408391
There’s also a chance they give this guy Aqua Step, and if that happens then yeah it’s going to Uber once people start using Max-HP-Max-Speed-Bulk-Up-sets.

>>58409032
I hope that too, im pretty excited to use him in trick room teams!

>>58410173
For now

Either Flying/Fighting or a Steelworker equivalent of Fighting-type moves in Champions

>>58407763
Only one that is worth discussing is starmie while zygarde is only a thing if you really play ubers for almost an entire generation. Anything that could be good (so not malamar, eel, and vict) depends on what the ability is and the new moves kept when available in champions.

some questionable megas:
>Mega Clefable
Clef is originally a bulky utility mon, but the mega seems to lean towards a special mon, except you can't even run life orb so it's technically a nerf on the immediate damage side. I guess it's meant to be a bulky calm mind+softboiled sweeper? Its stab types are nice for this role.

>Mega Dragonite
Possibly worse than base Dragonite? The whole reason Dragonite is still relevant is because it's a DD+Multiscale+ESpeed PHYSICAL sweeper. Even if it gets something like Magic Guard or No Guard I just don't see it having usage over base, and the speed increase isn't that meaningful when you no longer can use DD and prio.

>Mega Feraligatr
Seems like straight up a nerf unless GF gives it some water type biting move and dragon type biting move (which they didn't).

>Mega Skarmory
Not sure what changing its role to be an attacker is supposed to do. Looks like a side-grade or possibly a downgrade to Mega Excadrill. If you want to keep it as a hazard setter/control why not just use base Skarm with rocky helmet and use the mega on something else?

>Mega Zygarde
Isn't this total garbage? You're going to be using a base Zygarde (a physical attacker) with special moves until you can get just to 50% THEN you can finally mega and actually be the special threat. You also can't use DD or coil or ESpeed and its new move isn't as good as Thousand Arrows.

>>58408435
Conkeldurr isn't a real pokemon where mega Barbaracle will be, so that is a non issue

>>58410219
Only the secondary typing changes in megas. For Staraptor that's Flying, sadly

>>58410255
Feraligatr is getting Dragon's Maw

>>58410293
I'm not sure if GF will give out the signature ability of a legendary but will that even be good? There are no good physical dragon moves.

It's impossible to discuss much about these till we get abilities. Gamefreak goes insane with ability distribution when it comes to megas so it could completely make or break them.

>>58409817
Psychic fangs is only super effective against fighting types and poison types.
It would almost never be worth using over a dragon move or water move and its definitely not worth for the third and fourth moveslots. Its in the same exact situation as crunch granted psychic fangs does have the niche of making him double as a screen breaker.
Either way, strong jaw will do nothing for his mega other than make him actively weaker. Its complete nonsense to use mega feraligatr just to use boosted psychic fangs or crunch as your main move theres way better non mega pokemon you can use for that

>>58410255
I am positive mega clefable is meant to have aerilite.

>>58410319
It would be really good as an outrage sweeper and potentially a really good sweeper in general with just dragon claw if you boost its attack. It basically turns outrage into an OHKO machine even without attack boosts and it learns both DD and Agility so the main thing you target before mega evolving gatr is the opponents fairy type then you win.
I still think tough claws and sheer force (if they give it dragon rush) are both better options for an ability
IF it gets fishous rend then strong jaw would probably put him on ubers but i doubt champions will give him that if they didn’t give it to him here. Whats strange is the complete lack of biting moves, it doesn’t even learn any naturally, imagine making a biting focused mega for a water/dragon type then have its main move be crunch???? It makes no sense

Mega gatr is DOA unless it has exactly tough claws. Tough claws over sheer force because no good dragon move boosted by sheer force with the bonus of about the same damage on liquidation and boosting moves like superpower(idr if it got close combat) to nuke the likes of ferrothorn.

>>58410319
That thing he has isn't its own head, it's similar to Regidrago's dragon head thing. So I'm far more inclined to think that's what it's going to get.
It could also be Intimidate.

>>58410255
Mega dragonite can surprise a lot,running adamant you will outspeed pult after 1 dd and if you dont run a -sp atk nature you will have 320 base spc atk which mean you 0ko shit like tusk,zamazenta,ogerpon etc.
Its still early to theorycraft without the abilities and the new retarded move GG will come up with.

>>58410407
Sheer Force is dogshit because it removes secondary effects. Fuck that.

>>58410407
There's no way they WON'T give it Strong Jaws. Gamefreak tends to opt for flavor over viability.

>>58410429
Bro, those are his arms. It's not getting strong jaws on his arms, tard.

>>58410436
Dex entry literally mentions its bite strength being increased by 10 times, dumb retard.

The ability is going to be Dragon's Maw. Stop being retarded.

>>58410407
>>58410429
>>58410436
Watch mega gatr get strong jaw+fishious tend

>>58410448
Strong Jaw only adds 1.5. Where are they getting the other 8.5? From its stats?

It's so in character for Nintendo to release a dogshit game with essential stuff in it but deprive the fans from seeing the essential stuff in full fetail.

>>58410454
Besides Slow Start (lol) and Sacred Sword, have they ever given Legendary/Mythical exclusive properties to “regular pokémon”?

And no, Phantom Force being a poor man’s Shadow Force doesn’t count

>>58410494
Drizzle and drought are the only other 2 I can really remember

>>58410544
And all 4 of the Terrain abilities

But those two are so auto-weather and auto-terrain aren’t locked behind legendaries forever, and both weather and terrain add so much

What if they retcon mega gallade's ability to sharpness? They went out of their way to boost its movepool with random sharpness boosted moves in sv, something not really seen since megas were first made.

>>58410255
The mons that defensively answered base 100 attack Zygarde won't be the same ones that answer base 216 special attack Zygarde, my theory is they'll bounce off each other like gen 5 Hydreigon and become uncheckable in OU

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>>58410526
Discuss her

>>58410619
>In OU
In general*

>>58410619
Zygarde is not touching OU regardless of the mega existing. Even if Zygarde was allowed, the mega wouldn't when complete would be Uber from day 1 anyway.

>>58410648
Yeah that was from an earlier draft of my comment where I referred to a different Pokemon

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Okay, so if Golisogod does end up getting a mega what ability do you think they'll give it? Its stat spread was already decent, but it was always hindered by Emergency Exit.

Isn't it theoretically possible mega starmie gets hustle? Still an attack boosting ability being missing getting compensated with extra stats in za.

>>58410686
Tough Claws

>>58410686
Early Bird

>>58410429
Yeah, just look at Tyrantrum and the snapping turtle. They still don’t have a learnset that works 100% with that ability. I’m hoping they’ll show some common sense and not do that, but I don’t trust them when it comes to anything anymore.

>>58410408
>It could also be Intimidate.
please let this happen so we can have our VGC bara starter trio (rillaboom, incineroar, feraligatr)

>Strong Jaws
>uses its arms to bite
You guys are all retarded

>>58410494
Superpower, I guess. Those were originally Regi moves only.

>>58410686
Tactical Retreat and it's just the same thing but activates at the end of the turn

>>58411044
The question is whether or not gamefreak is retarded and the answer is unfortunately yes

>>58410686
Supreme Overlord

>>58410686
Slow Start

Emboar and Chestnaught will probably be the reflection of each other. They both have knight themes and similar stat distribution.

>>58410074
Suicide leads are still relevant to HO.
HO just isn't very good right now.

>>58408075
>Delphox - From stats alone it's kinda nuts with that speed and spatk but i think we really need ability to determine.
Is this a shitpost? It's faster, less offensive Mega-Alakazam that is weak to Stealth Rocks. It also gets outsped and OHKO'd by Mega-Grenigga, Mega-Beedrill, Mega-Aerodactyl, and Mega-Lopunny.

>>58411177
What’s good right now? Balance? Fat balance?

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>>58410369
Yeah, imagine trying to speculate on Mega Kang's tier placement without knowing about Parental Bond.
These stats don't scream Uber, or being on 6 of the top 8 worlds teams.

>>58411046
Pretty sure Nidoqueen has it in gen 3

>>58408391
>Pure Power
???

Why can't Scolipede learn Leech Life? Why is GameFreak like this?

>>58411236
She only gets in FrLg. It was exclusive for… one game, lmao

>>58408391
I mean I think it's going to be incredibly good but I don't get why you're posting a bunch of calcs of a water type Pokemon in this archetype breaking through water type walls. What's actually going to push this over is bulkier sets with recovery.

>>58408233
where did we learn that it gets huge power?

How did you guys do in OU this gen?I capped out at high 1700's,managed to beat guys like pinkacross,redemption and steez ibanez.

>>58409108
Assuming it gets Strong Jaw, it's just a better Feraligatr in every regards, but not better enough to waste a mega slot on it in OU or UU. Water/Dragon is a great typing, but it still gets outsped by Dragapult after a DDance, which means it's in OHKO range as long as it doesn't get a 2nd DD up.

>>58411208
Bulky offense is probably the best one. Balance is always good, though.
HO and stall are archetypes that are only good in phases, usually when the meta is unstable.

>>58409146
Blastoise got Shell Smash in Gen 8. Mega Blastoise got banned to National Dex Ubers alongside Mega Alakazam.

>>58411271
We don't even know if it actually gets huge/pure power. Don't blame people for forgetting hustle is the other attack boosting ability that exists though.

>>58411238
Mega Starmie got an extra 40 points in its BST. Having +140 BST compared to standard +100. The only other Megas to do this on ZA are Mawile and Medicham to compensate for losing their abilities.
This very likely means Mega Starmie is getting Huge Power too.

>>58410022
>Physically frail
>Walled by Heatran
>Stealth Rock weak with no way to hold boots in a meta with GHOLDENGO preventing defog/rapid spin
>1 point less than 135 speed making it a victim to Chien Pao, Mega Lopunny, Dragapult, Zeraora, Iron Bundle, and Zamazenta
That's assuming Chien Pao and Iron Bundle drop back to OU, of course
It's got too many problems to be OU, especially since it's competing with a dozen other megas. Mega Blaziken will be OU this gen. Do you think Mega Delphox is going to see usage over Mega Blaziken or Mega Charizard?

>>58411290
Hustle makes sense. Starmie is a star and Swift is a move where you throw stars.

Shut the fuck up lmao

>>58411271
iirc mega medicham and mawile (both with pure/huge power) got +40 to ATK to compensate for the loss of abilities, bringing the BST boost to 140. mega starmie also has +140 BST compared to starmie so odds are it also gets huge/pure power, or something in that ballpark

>>58411314
>>Walled by Heatran
It learns scorching sands,and heatran even mostly runs flame body lately.

>>58411271
>>58411290
We “technically” don’t know, but we do know that Starmie gets +140 BST in ZA, which is shared with Mawile and Medicham.
We also know it’s not Hustle because the other Megas like Charizard didn’t get similar buffs.

>>58411318
>>58411290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0xVLGssnwU

>>58411314
>Walled by heatran
>Delphox has both focus blast and scorching sands
Retard

>>58411314
You're bullshitting this hard and still don't even know what ability shes going to get.

>>58411365
Tutor moves it'll lose in the transfer to Gen 10.

>>58411349
Hustle acts as a pseudo attack gain, tough claws doesn't when it also works on a few special moves

Do you think any of these new mega is going to get a weather ability?

>>58411374
Sounds like cope to me.

>>58411394
Possible when drizzle is the only one without a mega for now.

>>58411394
Betting Froslass will. Aurora Veil + 3 attacks is a nasty combination

>>58411446
She kinda looks like Priscilla from Dark Souls.

>>58411446
or Aurora Veil + Nasty Plot + the spammable STABs

Just hope you don’t run into a Dragapult, Mega Delphox, Kingambit, Incineroar or ironically Mega Pyroar

What's the shittiest mega so far? And why is it Victrebel?

>>58411446
>>58411475
or Mega Lopunny (cause Scrappy)

>>58411479
Malamar, Eelektross and Pyroar all giving Victreebel a run for it’s money with their stats

>>58411481
or Mega Greninja

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>>58411492
>slow (but not slow enough), mixed attackers
I guess some Pokémon need to have these stats...

>>58411492
The issue is Victreebel likely has Corrosion which is gonna be really worthless when it doesn't have the bulk or speed to make use of this niche

>>58411479
It is actually malamar. Victreebel, eel, and Pyroar are not that good stats wise, but a good ability can easily redeem them a bit.

>>58411562
Eelektross has those condoms on its side. He's probably getting parental bond

>>58411479
emboar

>>58411562
Malamar has likely kept Contrary and they gave him Close Combat, it will make pretty good use of his own ability

>>58411599
Emboar looks great you cuck

>>58411479
Malamar is worse.
At least Victreebel gets to hit hard and can set up Toxic Spikes now.

>>58411479
Strong Jaw Mega Feraligatr

>>58411628
you would be saying that even if its stats were 50/50/50/50/50/50

>>58411479
Aside from the obvious candidates, I strongly feel Clefable cannot accomplish what it's been set up to do, so it will end up the de facto shittiest mega by being worse that it's excellent base self

>>58411673
If it keeps Magic Guard, itll be better than base alone by having slightly more bulk. Otherwise yeah, I cannot see this Mega ever being good if it loses Magic Guard (It will). There's no world where Mega Clefable without MG will be used more than base Clefable. Same reason as to why Mega Audino is (arguably) worse than Audino. Those stats mean jack shit if it can't abuse regeneration, and especially isn't worth giving up an item slot for.

>>58411697
Knowing game freak it probably gets friend guard so people stop using Clefairy in VGC.

>>58411137
Emboar looks like it might be decent in VGC rather than singles.

>>58411737
Yeah in addition to its typing, it also sort of feels like this will be a VGC oriented mega. But I suppose we'll see what they do with it. Not every enthusiastic with this or Mega Malamar, even if I understand why it might feel pretty fucking shit. But I guess we will have to wait till Champions, since most of this is conjecture.

>>58410255
Skarmory can use Weak Armor in base

Rest talk Emboar will be meta

Fun fact, just from the design alone you can tel Emboar is going to get Intimidate

>>58411737
>>58411697
There's three possibilities
>Signature ability/move: it's the first Flying-type by way of local gravity control, they can do something really creative here
>Aerilate: Mono-Hyper Voice will be difficult with 5 weaknesses and 80 speed but totally possible
>Magic or Friend Guard: ugh

Any copium for Mega Meganium? That one looks abysmal dogshit too.

>>58411928
>+Fairy
>+60 special attack
Hard to fumble this setup bossman

>>58411928
More than enough, it doesn’t actually look half bad.

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>>58411989
>>58412010
>slow
>x4 weak to bug
>only fairy move is Char.

>>58412021
>>x4 weak to bug
?

>>58412022
Poison.
I can't remember everything at all times.

>>58412021
You mean Poison, one of the more mid offensive types?

>>58411928
It'll depend on the ability but it'll need a solid one to make up for the typing.
It's easiest to draw comparisons to Mega Venusaur, which has slightly better bulk, only 2 weaknesses thanks to Thick Fat vs Meganium's 5 weaknesses as a Grass/Fairy, and Sleep Powder.
There's only so low it can go, it's no Malamar, I don't think useful resistances, good bulk & Spa can go that low, but in current days, it feels like a NU or RU Pokémon.

Mega Meganium made me realize that they will definitely without a shadow of a doubt, add a ton more to the movepool of these mega evolutions.

>>58410407
Dragon rush is stronger than liquidation.
Muh accuracy isn’t an argument either.

>>58411697
It learns air slash for az and if it gets aerilite it becomes a hyper voice monster

>>58412022
He probably meant poison. But its like complaining about swampert being 4x weak to grass. Granted Meganium still has other notable weaknesses now including her original ones and steel, the trade of is it gets a few useful resistances. At least its not chesnaught tier.

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>Attack +20
>Defense +20
>Special Attack +20
>Special Defense +20
>Speed +20
This is just pathetic...

>>58412054
Chesnaught is uter dogshit trash but they'll probably gove him a good defebsive ability.

>>58411928
Seems to be the best one out of the ZA starter trios
Unless Emboar gets some broken ability Mega Emboar is still going to be Emboar and things aren't looking so hot for Gatr

>>58412067
That mane looks like someone unwrapped (Super) Shadow the Hedgehog's skin and placed around the lion's head through the ass opening.

>Kalos starters
new level of powercreep, will likely all get banned
>ZA starters
trash to ok at best

what did GF mean by this?
even if Emboar gets something like Supreme Overlord it will still be awful with that speed
even if Meganium gets something like Triage+Draining Kiss it's still not doing much
even if Feraligatr gets something like Strong Jaws+Fishious Rend it's still too slow to make full use of it
not sure how GF will balance this out

>>58412154
Feraligatr learns DD

>>58412189
forgot

>>58412154
>Strong Jaw Fish Rend off of fucking 160 attack is bad
That thing has three different boosting moves, what the hell is taking that

>>58412067
It could have been worse. They could have dumped half its Mega stats into SpD, dump enough into its weaker offensive stat but not enough to where it’d ever use it, then dump the rest into its higher offense where its still terrible and speed where its still slow.
But thankfully no Megas were like that.

The opportunity cost of using a Mega is going to ensure most will end up being shit by default especially if the big ones like Salamence remain unchanged.

>>58412069
4x to flying is pretty nasty what could they give it?

>>58412306
-ate abilities did get nerfed, right?

>>58412154
>Better dracovish with access to dragon dance, swords dance, and agility
>Bad
Retard

>>58412370
>Better Dracovish
It’s not getting Fishious Rend. It doesn’t even have gills.

>>58411928
Meganium is a flawed bulk mon. Slapping fairy on it doesn't fix any of its issues and there's already a large excess of grass type that does all its roles, with less forced comittment of a Mega. Unless its ability gives it an outstanding niche, it will not be high tier at all. The extra bulk is nice but it can only go so far.

>>58412331
They were nerfed back in SM.
Didn't stop Salamence from being by far the best non-legendary mega, it just made others like Pinsir and Glalie worse.

>>58411928
It gets Earthpower

>>58412430
Mega Meganium finally becomes the first Grass type to get Flower Veil, and then Champions replaces Freeze with Frostbite too.

>>58410255
Mega Zygarde feels like a Yugioh mon
>dragon mech with a huge cannon
>it's super powerful IF you can pull it off but the steps trying to actually pull it off is so contrived and debilitating that it's actively bad trying to use it

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Give her Leech Life and Tinted Lens.
There. Problem solved.

>>58410686
Defeatist

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>>58407763
>Trying to remain competitive when there are a million variables to take account of

I think this is where I finally go cold turkey with Pokemon. The latter 3DS games were decent, but I haven't been too keen on any of the Switch games, and I'm not too crazy with the Switch 2 to get ZA, nor vice versa.

>>58412742
>Inb4 ZA is available on the OG Switch

>>58411394
Drampa?

>>58410255
>>58410380
I'm getting the impression Mega Clef may actually be an auto Gravity setter. The dex entry suggests it creates gravity fields wherever it goes to help it fly. But is GF actually the crazy and cool to create that ability AND give it to Clef so it can do some support shit, then Mega and spam low acc moves (and let its ally do it too?). Gravity also grounds everybody, so that could be cool utility too. Underused AF so having an auto-setter could be fun for the meta and Clef is a great pokemon to take on that role

>>58412742
If you’re playing vgc then you just have to think about what’s allowed that regulation so not THAT much

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Genuine question. Are abilities a thing in Z-A or is it like Arceus?

>>58413770
Arceus

Mega Skarmory seems like a Tough Claws mega, it even follows a similar design philosophy as the other Mega Tough Claws users (Charizard, Aerodactyl, Metagross)

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Emboar will get __Moxie__
>>58413778
Thanks.

>mega slot opportunity cost
do we know if champions is gonna go back to only one mega per battle genuine question

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>>58408325
>Strong Jaw
>Doesn't even use its actual mouth
Honestly Dragon's Maw would make wayyy more sense. Its even cosplaying a dragon head like the regi did.

Who is the best ZA starter if you want the easiest time?

>>58412067
>Ugly
>Worthless
>Weak
How fitting for a cartoon animal shitmon

>>58413876
We don’t but there’s no way it doesn’t.

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Hawlucha

>Speed doesn't change
>+45 to Attack
>+25 to Defense
>+30 to Special Defense

They didn't really waste any stats here, it's pretty well-rounded. But Hawlucha's niche has always been Unburden, and a Mega can't do that. The ability will need to be really good

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Falinks is another one that looks solid, especially with No Retreat, the only major issue is that it's still pure Fighting

>>58411137
Their designs are amazing, I hope they do good in battles

>>58412054
>But its like complaining about swampert being 4x weak to grass.
Good luck explaining that to the sheep who automatically shit on Mega Meganium for having a 4× weakness to a shit offensive type. People are far too eager to crucify Meganium just for existing and it really shows how absolutely biased Pokefags are because you don't see Meowscarada get crucified for its 4× weakness to Bug (a type that manages to be offensively worse than Poison) despite how U-Turn is used a lot.

The consequences of watching the same-old copy-and-paste template videos of "why Meganium is worse than Hitler and bears the unholy mage of Satan" #366321 on CuckTube that is conveniently 10 minutes long because a CuckTuber wanted revenue money for their dragon dildos and Labubus.

>>58412067
>>58412287
Mega Pyroar feels like no effort was put in at all.
Mega Malamar feels like effort was put in to make it dogshit on purpose.

>>58414149
Id say meganium, entire fucking game is electric and ground types everywhere

>>58415986
Can you mega evolve from the beggining? Because base Meganium is bad otherwise. From experience the best of these 3 would be Emboar. It hits like a fucking truck.

>>58414141
With this ability, could Dragon Tail be a viable option for Feraligatr?

It's going to be Dragon's Maw. The design is so ridiculous there has to be a bigger excuse for it to exist.

Please help my friend Malamar

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Mega Golurk
89 --> 89
124 --> 154
80 --> 110
55 --> 65
80 --> 110
55 --> 55
483 --> 583
Ability: Unseen Fist

>>58408110
The GOAT

>>58410255
You're retarded lmao

>>58410471
An increase of 10 in strength means 1.5 multiplier on base power.

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How will Mega Froslass fare? Mega Potential, in a post-Gen 9 world, or will it actually serve a purpose on snow teams? What'd be its best ability it could get? It's shittiest?

>>58417965
>Best unrealistic ability?
Beads of ruin.
>Best possible?
Adaptability, Shadow tag
>Likely:
Snow Warning, good (UU potential)
>Maybe:
Slush rush, Prankster, fun but gimmicky (RU)
>Worst among realistic abilities:
Cursed body, snow cloak, refrigerate
>meme pick:
Ice scales

>>58418031
Nueroforce would go hard as well.

>>58417835
You’re retarded lmao

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So wait a second, is Meganium getting a signature move? So that means the rest is also getting one right? Makes me less fearful for the future of these shitmons.

>>58413473
Auto Gravity on a Flying Type?

>>58407763
Lmao this game has no real competitive. It's just doing moves real quick.

>>58418227
is reading comprehension this abysmal these days?

>>58413473
>>58418293
Not Auto-Gravity. Auto-Telekinesis. As soon as it arrives on the field, everything floats for five turns

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>>58418227
Mega Sol Cannon is just a nickname for its Solar Beam. It has four flowers arranged like a cannon.

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Mega Golisopod
75 --> 75
125 --> 165
140 --> 160
60 --> 70
90 --> 120
40 --> 40
Ability: Huge Power

>>58418227
>>58418536
It should get a new signature ability that lets it use Solar Beam instantly without needing sun.

do we not know what abilities they'll have?

>>58418552
That would be a waste of an ability and still not worth using over Giga Drain

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>>58418536
>its easier to draw pokemon shooting beams or fire out of their mouth.
>we absolutely cannot let a fully evolved feraligatr into the anime

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>Feraligatr doesn’t get Fishous Rend
>still weaker outrage abuser than charizard x thanks to tough claws
i hate game freak so fucking much fucking assfaggots shitters WHY DOES FERALIGATRS MEGA GET NOTHING THAT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF HIS FUCKING MOVESET FUCKKKKKK

>>58417965
It gets Nasty Plot and is faster than Iron Valiant before the boost

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>>58418878
Why would it get fishious rend? It is neither a fish nor does it have gills.

>>58418860
They did, but it was just there to job to Snorlax. god I don’t think I’ll ever stop being mad

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>>58418908
IT DOESNT HAVE TO GET FISHOUS REND I DONT WANT IT TO GET FISHOUS REND I WANT IT TO GET DRAGON RUSH AND SHEER FORCE GAME FREAAAAAAAAAAK

>>58418949
It'll get Strong Jaw and you'll like it. Maybe Gamefreak will be nice and give it psychic fang too.

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>>58418908
Explain the gills here

>>58418992
>ashime
Cringe and non-canon.

>>58418552
They can already do that under the sun.

>>58418698
Not yet. Nintendo likes to tease us like that.

>>58418992
oh shit youre right...

>>58407763
what if it gets dragon's maw

>>58419071
Your argument only works if fishous rend is actually a biting move, the anime implies it is while the games animation is more like a slice. So now choose which logic you want to follow.
Also tell me where dracovish’s gills are.

>>58419219
Fishious Rend is called Gill Bite in Japanese versions. Checkmate.

>>58419232
>they took Gible’s signature move before he even had it
Chomp bros…

>>58419232
Gatrs arms can act as gills

>>58418896
>Iron Valiant
Sorry sweetie, Flutter Mane runs Gen 9 forever now.

>>58408783
>it keeps Speed Boost which is the only way it gets in OU
no, you don't get the idea
you stay out as regular 'pede for a turn or two to get boosts, then mega and get a different ability
if it's something that gives it more power, it might work as a kind of setup sweeper

>>58410423
Sheer Force is good when you can hold Life Orb, but megas can't.

If Mega Boar does end up getting Supreme Overlord, that Sp. Atk boost can also come in handy.

>>58411303
Maybe not Huge/Pure (Yoga) Power, but it's definitely got some kind of busted ability we are yet to witness.

>>58419438
Depends. Some secondary effects are actually useful. If you're not getting them ever you just have a boring beat stick.

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>mega Emboar
Stop talking

>>58419476
Let's put it like this: Life Orb+Sheer Force is ~1.5x boost, like Choice Band/Specs. But latter have a huge downside of locking you into a move, and former has a "well, Trailblaze is just grass coverage now, I guess". It's pretty good.

>>58411303
Did it get any new moves? It's physical learnset consists of waterfall and tackle. Fuckhuge attack does jack shit if it's only being used on one sub 90 move.

>>58419545
Liquidation would be too spammable if Mega Gator had Sheer Force.

>>58419546
It gets Liquidation, Aqua Jet, Zen Headbutt, and Bulk Up now.

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You can tell just looking at the designs who's gonna be banned to Ubers.

1. Mega Malamar
That's all. Expext a very crazy ability.

>>58419614
Self-Destruct too so it can commit suicide

>>58412067
Why did they even give Pyroar a mega? No one gives a shit about the pokemon. Hell Mega Aegislash would've made more sense

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>>58419626
It's going to be a real shit show.

>>58419691
Earlygame fodder.

>>58419691
No one give a shit about Audino and Camerupt but they got mega evolutions anyway.
you'd be saying the same shit if Aurorus and Tyrantrum got mega evolutions

>>58419807
Camerupt is a team leader's ace at least.

>>58410074
Some of these new additions make no sense at all, including wisp Altaria.

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>>58418552
>>58418836
>>58419090
Honestly it wouldn't be surprising if it got Solar Power.
>Boosts all special moves
>Got Weather Ball in SV
>Synthesis recovers more HP
It makes too much sense

>>58419814
Yeah at least Camerupt is Maxie's Ace. And Audino also doesn't make any sense back then and now so I do agree with that. But Pyroar is such a forgettable pokemon and the mega looks bad. Was it because it was on Lysandre's team? Even though his ace was Gyarados

>>58419934
One of the Newfag Team Flare members uses mega pyroar.

>>58419944
Oh right I forgot about Team Flare...

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>>58410436

Dont be pedantic. Mega Feraligatrs arms and head form a bigger head. His arms are a jaw.

>>58419984
It's mega dex entry even classifies it as the Double Jaw Pokemon. It's getting Strong Jaw as its ability and there's nothing /vp/ can do about it.

>>58419882
It is getting grassy surge

>>58419959
But still i feel like Talonflame would've made more sense to get a mega than fucking Pyroar

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>It's Dragon Maw guys
>n-no It's Strong Jaw, trust the plan

>>58419984
Thats why tough claws is perfect

>>58420037
Dragon Maw would be a worse ability for it anyway. Why do you want Mega Feraligatr to suck even more?

It's gonna be Intimidate cause big head scary

>>58420067
And that's a better ability than any of the attack boosting ones.

>>58420053
With its current movepool, what would it even use Strong Jaw for?

>>58410686
Truant

>>58420053
Outrage is a 120 bp move you retard.

>>58419135
>dragon's maw
It makes sense

>>58420053
Dragon's Maw boosted Outrage has no switch in except Fairy types

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>>58419807
>No one give a shit about Audino

>>58412306
Yes, but maybe no, mega dimension will certainly introduce 6v6 mega battles, or something of the sort, because they know people want to use more than 1 mega, which they’ve already allowed in ZA.

In the future we’ll probably get 6 gimmick vs 6 gimmick with that ring item we’ve seen, which would make sense to add more details to the game and more diversity, you could have a few different setups for each non, terrastal or mega, etc. I kinda hope they allow 1 item+ 1 gimmick at some point.

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>>58407763
FUCK KANGASKHAN. It has power up punch once again

>>58420269
Honestly with recent powercreep + Parental Bond nerf + move dexit, will Mega Kang be that good?

>>58420290
Well, Scrappy got buffed in Gen 8, so it's immune to Intimidate in base

>>58420345
Just intimidate it when it mega evolves.

>>58420290
It was the best Mega post nerf. It's going to be broken with how Speed works in the newer gen.

>>58420085
Crunch, the best attack in the game?

>>58420418
Back in Gen 7 yeah.
Now it has to deal with Gen 8 + 9 powercreep, and multiple Megas getting buffed too like Metagross, Charizard, Lopunny, and Gengar, and Incineroar got even more buffs, and now it has to also deal with/compete with the new Megas, and even in Gen 7 it was falling off after Parental Bond nerf, and now it lost Return as well, and that’s just VGC.

>>58410255
I just don't get the point of these new part-flying megas, mostly the special attacker ones. Clefable got a random air slash JUST so it has flying stab, dragonite has to rely on hurricane if it wants power or again air slash if it wants reliability. Skarmory gets a pass since it already has brave bird but it has the whole added problem that base skarmory is meant to do a completely different thing so you have to decide if having that as your mega is even worth it when mega salamence is still an option.

>>58420736
M-Dragonite will have a place in Rain obviously

man reading these threads reminds me that even if it got a little better, /vp/ is still ass at competitive mons. if feraligatr gets fishious rend it's immediately broken in singles how are there posts even arguing against this. realistically its not getting this move anyways

>>58421198
Mega Gatr is nicknamed the double jaw Pokemon. And it says that his big jaw has 10x the strenght of his normal jaws. It's obviously getting parental bond but for jaw moves.

>>58421429
This is still Dumb as hell because it has no fucking stab options with strong jaw.
Heres a better idea: ability that powers up continuous moves like Outrage, Thrash, Petal Dance, Rollout, etc.
It would make him the definitive Outrage user and its THE LAST FUCKING MOVE it learns in ZA so might as fucking well

>>58421518
Chill you retard. Meganium has no fairy moves and no Meganiumbro is stressing as much as you are.

>>58420290
Yes, it will be.
Power Up Punch is still a Swords Dance that deals damage.

>>58421600
Meganium gets Dazzling Gleam via TM