So what's the verdict faggots? Is this game as dog shit as it seems or is it actually decent? Should I just cut my losses and declare this franchise dead?
>>58407987im not telling you because you called me a faggot
>>58407987It's fun. But it's quite different from Legends Arceus. More focus on battling than catching. Try it to see if you'd like it.
Mid
>>58407987It’s good.
slop of the sloppiest calibre
The new battle system is ass.
>>584079875/10
>>58407987I only gave it a little try and decided to wait a couple more days so I can have the full experience on my switch 2. But from the brief experience I had, so far so good. I like the visual style a lot more than SV and the overall tone feels more serious, just like LA.
>>58408000>More focus on battling than catchingAnd that's a good thing, this ain't Pokemon Go. I hope WW will bring back the exploration aspect of SV though.
>>58407987Character cast so far has been all enjoyable for me, something I haven't been able to say for many years now it feels. Rooftop hopping is pretty fun, the mega raids are a lot of fun and probably my favorite thing in the game. Kalos finally getting its own identity that isn't just "REMEMBER KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOO?!?!" is really cool to see as well. Graphics aren't the best, at least on the switch 1 version, have found a few areas that do look kinda pretty but I'm also not the kind of person to care about that as long as the game is fun. I'm not finished yet but I'd give it a 3.5~4/5 so far and depending on how the rest of the story goes.
>soulslop dodging>empty world>no voice acting>cutscenes then walk to the next cutscene>shitty mega evolutionsPeople like this and it will sell millions of copies. This will make hundreds of millions of dollars in profit. You will ask for more and you will like it.
>>58407987I haven't played it but going by gut feeling I'm gonna say slightly better then SV but the story is terrible and the gameplay gets old
>>58407987You think they would LIE to you?
>>58408184>this ain't Pokemon GoCould have fooled me with the cooldown button mashing slop
>>58408184Pokemon has always been 50/50 when it comes to putting importance on both things, some people may prefer one over the other but it doesn't mean ones better than the other
>>58407987its actually even worse than it looks, worse than pokemon sv even. hard to believe but they really did it.
>>58408225>soulslop dodgingthis was in arceus and its just regular dodging>empty worldfair>no voice actingnot sure we want to open that can of worms, best they should do is add grunts and shit>cutscenes then walk to the next cutscenethats just rpgs anon>shitty mega evolutionsthats just for this game since its kalos
>>58407987Meh, probably better than PLA but I have very low opinions on that game. The B team just sucks at making games, I’m just waiting for the A team to release the real gen 10 game.
>>58407987It's fine. Not good or let alone great but fine. If you are a Pokémon fan you will like it. If you are a regular gamer wait to see if it's on sale. I would recommend Digimon Story Time Stranger if you have a PS5, Xbox or gaming PC has that game is more in line of what I would want from a Pokémon game in 2025.
>>58407987I'm enjoying it and would never in a million years have paid for it
>>58408234Review scores are like test scores. A 70% is barely passable, an 80% is mid and a 90% is good enough. Removing the Nintendo curve would result in the average being around 70%.
>>58408373>Digimon Story Time StrangerThat game is very pretty.
>>58407987It’s really good but the shit they pulled with AZ at the end pulls it down to a 6/10 imo
>>58408415Yes it is. Which is the key point. Pokemon biggest thing is the character designs yet they are stuck in games that look like dog shit. They have been trying to copy Xenoblade for years yet can't seem to do it right. Honestly if I had a genie lamp I would just wish got Monolith Studio to work on the next Pokémon game and let the retards at Game Freak smell paint. But because anything with the Pokémon logo sells they won't. It's like Jesus said, do not throw your pearls before the swines. Someone needs to put Game Freak in a little corner making little games while the big boys make actual good looking games.
>>58408484I don't know what the fuck Game Freak are doing, they had a literal perfect formula that has been working for so long, and now they decided to change it and experiment and just fuck everything up.They are making me miss handhandled consoles.
>>58407987Temu palworld
>>58407987Ugly but very funny
>>58408234>Not a single review of the Switch 1 versiongrim
>>58408648This is not a Rust, ARK, basebulding game. It's a Pokemon game.
>>58408551From the leaked documents it seemed that they played Xenoblade X and were like we can do that too! Without realizing the amount of money and work needed to make games like this but instead of putting the money to hire the right people they half assed it. Now they are hoping generative AI will help them make their not Xenoblade game (it won't).
>>58407987Worse than PLA
>>58407999Because that's what you are, faggot. If you can't accept that just kill yourself.
>>58408415HNNNNGGGGGGGGG
>>58407987It's alright but much worse than PLA, the wild zones fucking suck and the battle system gets old fast, I'd give it like a 6/10
>>58408733It can only be better with generative AI because it's smarter than most of their employees.
>>58407987> VGC - 10> TheSixthAxis - 10> RPGSite - 9> Screen Rant - 9 > Shacknews - 9> Vooks - 9> Tech Radar - 9> Siliconera - 9> CGM - 8> GAMINGbible - 8> Pocket Tactics - 8> VG247 - 8> Gamereactor - 7> Nintendo Life - 7> Press Start - 7> Gfinity - 7> Eurogamer - 6> Metacritic Average - 81The verdict
>>58408409You forgot to remove the pokemon bonus, then add back the non movie game and non souls like deductions
>>58408234Eurogamer is the only one telling the truth here
I think I'm just going to keep playing Time Stranger
>>58408415the only bad thing about this game is that it doesn't let you mount any of the slutmons
>>58408415Now that's how you do a sexy tummy
>>58408373wdym we are currently in 2013
how's the story?
>>58407987nobody should buy this fucking game. it's dated as shit.>shit visuals (shocker), most places just look the same>battle system ranges from bad to mediocre, mostly just mashing moves off cooldown (when you actually focus on the correct thing, and your mon listens or isn't stuck on something)>rogue mega battles are a clusterfuck and genuinely terrible gameplay>fade to black every 5 seconds during """cutscenes""" (they don't wanna actually animate stuff)>npcs still move and emote like robots>fake dialogue choices where each option is just the same thing>excessive npc yapping, padding, and pointless fetch quests and diversions that don't require any problem solving and aren't engaging in anywaythat's my experience up to rank C. i wanted to finish it before it releases (just because), but i honestly might not even bother.the music is the only decent thing in this game. otherwise, this game is worse than PLA (despite sharing many issues) as well as fucking palworld. like, palworld legit mogs PLZA even with the cheap asset flip vibe it has going on. there are people actually dropping over $550 for a switch 2, the game, & the dlc. fucking kek
>>58409088Pika taking a dump
>>58409095>>npcs still move and emote like robotstrue but it's much better than PLA :O face or SV, just saying
>>58407987I mean, it alright
>>58408225You have to be a literal drooling retard to want voice acting.It won't be good, the story isn't compelling, it's a huge expense, and is precisely what fucks up games like Fallout 4.I bet you listen to music with lyrics too.
>>58409113Nevermind if you recall the soulless eyes in Gen 8.
>>58409148Nice one anon, I almost thought you were serious there for a moment.
>>58408234>Yeah dude, Shacknews rates it a 9 out of 10. It's a must play for CGM. Gfinity has the best review. It's literally on Vooks. You have to check out Vooks.holy mother of worthless review sites: they really just gave keys to anyone who'd rate it.I see about one I might half-rate in Eurogamerat least IGN had a longstanding name: what the fuck is Vooks? it doesn't even show up in the first page of search results
>>58409078just mod it
>>58408332You dumbasses don't want to at least try understand the battle system at all.
>>58409212The game doesn't, either. Considering I've gotten by just by hitting whatever move is most powerful first, then using worse moves while waiting for the cooldown.I can't wait to see how it works online, because I'm sure Game Freak's netcode is going to be horrid and the game will be practically unplayable outside of Japan.
>>58409212the real-time battle system in this game is trash my guy
>>58409095>$550sweaty it's $500 for mario bundle so you can say you have more than one game + $90 for controller + $70 + $30 + $50 for NSO + $1.5M for a house
>>58409221>Got away by pressing big damage button.So it is just the regular pokemon battle system?
>>58409249Yeah, which is why this game is so shit.
I think most people would rate it at a 6 or a 7. It's decent, but really not worth the delay.
>>58408234Yes. I think all of them would lie to me.
>>58409231No one wants to stub their toe on a fucking rat in the grass and be dragged into a shitty instanced encounter anymore, nearly every review is praising the new battle system as the best step forward, you can still play the old games
>>58409279>reviews>mattering>ever
>>58409269I'm gonna treat it as Battle Revolution 2 because let's be real, that's what it is.
>>58407987Switch 1 VS Switch 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H34ZUA-DD3M
>>58409174If you listen to music with words in it, you're generally likely less intelligent than instrumental chads. I didn't make the rules, but voice acting?Absolutely not.
>>58408184>Gotta catch em all?
>>58409513Go to sleep, Ketchum.
>>58409513not a thing since gen 3
>>58409279SOUL
>>58409558Still technically their thing though
>>58409583He's full of shit, it was used in marketing material all the way through gen 7
Melonated champion has a great themehttps://youtu.be/717PJmvzVkA?si=YKy49LUo5a-38FGz
>>58407987legit fun but shit looks so bad, I get they did it for the final boss' sake but man....at least another level of geometry
>>58409638What in Undertale is this?Is Toby Fox now 100% in Charge for the Pkmn Soundtrack?
>>58409937Toby Fox didn't work on Z-A
>>58409937Why are you so obsessed with him?
>>58409638Most of the tracks that I've managed to listen to on YT have been great but yeah this might be my favorite now
There any tough battles in the post game? I know you get infinite royale shit, but I’ve those are super easy
>>58408733They need to just fucking ask Monolith for some dev assistance already instead of trying to monkey them on their own. Nintendo themselves already uses them for everything else these days
>>58408000>>58408860this is the most disappointing part to hear if true, the wild area and catching things was the best part and main appeal of PLA to me, if that takes a back seat in this entry to all the battling shit I might honestly have to pass on this
>>58410341it is true, the wild zones are fucking tiny and there are very few pokemon in each one of them, they don't give you the same feeling as PLA's areas, funnily enough the rooftops are more fun to explore than the wild zones, believe it or not
It's basically the same situation as Arceus, which is that it's way better than what the last mainline games offer, but it's still not great.Maybe pvp will be enjoyable, but I'm going to hold my breath.
this game as Alpha pokemon like PLA or is there a new variant?
>>58410484it has alphas
>>58410198They tried but got mad at them and told them off. Monolith was probably telling them they were doing shit wrong and got mad.
In britain this game is $73. This game is barely worth 30, piss easy, endless cutscenes, spam combat, the night time fights suck and are just flat out grinding, the city has no variety in the biomes and can be walked around easily, it is completely empty.It's a bad lazy game and it will still sell millions, its only fun because catching pokemon in this system is fun but i'm sure thats more praise for arceus than this
>>58408964Why did only one not lie.
>>58407999Can you tell me, fag--friend?
Personally, this game is worse than PLA (I love PLA). The new combat mechanics are fun at first, but they become boring and tedious after a while, just like rogue megas. I also hate that they've made mega energy similar to dynamax, in the sense that it's now a radioactive energy that creates crystals, drives Pokémon crazy and makes them bigger. The story is stupid and the city seems very disconnected from Kalos and other important characters from X/Y. I don't know if DLC could fix all this
Hello, I have 2 questions about Z-A:1. Are the boss fights as difficult as they were in PLA? I'm going to be honest, I had a lot of trouble beating Arceus in the final boss fight in PLA. I only managed to beat Arceus because the "progress" of your battles was saved after reaching a certain point. Is it the same here in Z-A when fighting against the Rogue Mega Evolutions, etc? How difficult are they to beat for someone who isn't good at action games and do you keep your progress?2. I heard that there is a postgame tournament which is basically an infinite Z-A Royale. Is this Z-A Royale held against Pokemon of the same level like the a classic Battle Tower where it's level 50 Pokemon vs level 50 Pokemon?These two things (as well as whatever the DLC might add) will decide whether I buy the game or not. Thanks in advance guys.
>>58408184>I hope WW will bring back the exploration aspect of SV though.How would a world war help the series achieve this goal?
>>58411924get good pussy
>>58411954I just prefer the strategy of turn-based combat over the action based combat, but I'm willing to give it a try. I just want to be sure that I can finish the game, before buying it.
>>58408415c-can i fuck the digimon...?
I loved pla, I didn't like za and I won't finish it. Some people may like it if you really like modern pokemon and everything theyve been doing in modern pokemon. Battle system feels cheap and gets old. Wild zones are very cheap and repetitive, feels like there's no sense of world. Story is handholdy. Music gets extremely repetitive. Characters are really not appealing. Idk if you like x/y or gen 5 a lot, or sword and shield, maybe this is your game. There's a fuck ton of cringe in this to get past.
How do I get a leaf stone. I want to use victreebel
>>58408691Because there's nothing to say about it. It runs at 30fps instead of 60fps. Wowee.
>>58409638Woke saved Pokemon
>>58409638This game's soundtrack genuinely fucking rules.
>>58412066The cringe in question is your hatred of the series.
>>58407987Can't tell you. Not paying for this but I did pay $100+ for Digimon because Digimon are the champions
>>58408484Monolith is overrated and only slightly better than Game Freak. Their games are always ugly and unfinished with terrible combat systems. They'd be an upgrade from GF, but so would the shit I took this morning, so that's not saying much.
>>58412639Try a better bait next time
>>58412639You can try and punch up at Monolith being a Pokemon fan, but you're literally so far towards the bottom it doesn't even register.
>>58410396>it's way better than what the last mainline games offerIt's really not. Legends games are even lazier and emptier than the mainline games, but they put one gimmick in to trick half their usual critics into thinking they're "experimenting" and "doing something different."
This is what $13 million gets you
>>584090882013 had Crysis 3, Ryse son of Rome, Gta V etcSV's ugly maps are about as barren as Drakengards
It has a lot of short comings in the writing and design department.>Game starts with interesting flow of trainer battles at night, side quests and Wild Pokémon catching at day.>Was satisfying rising the ranks>Whoops lmao lemme skip most of the tournament.>Whoops lmao instead of fighting trainers then taking on the rank up fight in one night, now we have to do side quests>Whoops lmao instead of catching Wild Pokémon, you now need to fight Mega Pokémon in slow slop fights>Whoops lmao we forgot to introduce a set of protagonists, better suddenly drop that the gang is in debt. Despite you having nothing to do with it, you are now roped in.Fuck Urbain for not reading the Terms and Conditions.Game Freak still has a long ways to go. But it's better than Scarlet and Violent, and Sword and Shield at least.Still not a fan of the gameplay loop change towards the end.
>>58407987You cant check your pokemon stats in combat, you have 0 in-game info on mega pokemon stats. No bike.No mounts.No exploration outside of urban city. No jump.No fishing.No daycare.No breeding.No eggs.I rolled credits at 25 hours and a small chunk of that is cut scenes. I rate it a solid 2.5/10Its free to try, why not give it a few hours yourself?
>>58410396>Way betterAbsolutely not. Mega evolution got changed into temporary power ups,combats a mashfest,trainer battles are majorly night only, the map itself is both ugly and dull, the dash is the only way to increase your exploration movement speed, monster variation collection is a fucking PAIN(cant influence the Alpha appearance rate or gender its just rawdog RNG) and the Mega boss battles are clearly lacking tweaks that are severely needed.
>>58407987it looks 100% less soulful than Arceus
>>58408033isnt the real time battling one of the major selling points?
>>58409638sounds like sonic, not a bad thing
>>58412967Yes, but just like Scarlet & Violet's open world, it's the weakest part.
>>58412066Loved PLA for its exploration and because it made encountering every Pokemon feel like a big deal. Been iffy on buying ZA but this basically tells me it won't deliver on what I liked about PLA, which I was already able to anticipate, but shame to see confirmation.
>>58412066I didn't like the characters overall, but I really liked Taunie. I'm a sucker for rivals that keep pace with the player.
>>58413040Shit taste. Taunie is one of the worst characters in the game.The most remarkable thing about her is that she keeps both the elemental weak and counterpick element starter but thats all. Past that she just spends most of the game riding the MCs coattails and always bites off more than she can chew. Its a shame that narratively Lida is a casual because shes just flat out the better girl
>>58413859It's a shame that Lida has nothing to do for the entire game. Even the nigger had a subplot with the eceleb.
I just finished the story at 31 hours. Call me a shill if you like, but this game is a 9/10.
>>58413011It's really mediocre. I can tell whoever made sward and shield made this, not the team who made pla. This really feels like sword and shield 2.
>>58413011ZA went all-in on a mediocre battle system.
>>58407987>>58408234>>58409113>>58413883>>58413894>>58413872i find it surprisingly fun to actually play,was and still kinda am quite dissapointed with the scope of the game and the city and stuff, also a bit with the combat, however after being dissapointed i then happened to actually be having a lot of fun wierdly enough. actually the first switch pokemon game where i can say that i have been ahving a fun time and have been enjoying a nice pokemon experience??>bought shield 2019, never went further than the first gym & wild area, just hated it so much (15-yo at the time)>got lets go eevee at some point, hunted some shinies but never got far into it (i recognise it as a quality title but it is just too simplistic for me and i have played kanto already)>FOR SOME REASON bought scarlet, and felt scammed and insulted over a piece of shit game that gave me a headache to even look at, with it being shit outside of the unacceptable performance & super ugly artdesign, just the worst excuse of an open world game where there is no fun in exploring the world at all and it just has endless chunks of grassy land with 20 pokemon randomly spawning on it, just awful game i hated so much and felt scammed by, (18-yo at the time)>didnt get SwSh dlc, didnt get SV dlc(game my copy of scarlet to my little nephew), didnt get egends arceus, didnt get bdsp, decided to only emulate and never buy pokemon games after SV,with that as some context, i am having the most fun with this game so far however undoubtably the better performance on my laptop compared to on the actual switch combined with the fact that it is completely free + i get joy out of pirating, i recommand to try it out if your pc can handle ryujinx!?
>>58413982legends arceus was the only good switch game, and one of the best pokemon games of all time. People will tell you it wasn't for the dumbest reasons but it was the only actually good game.
>>58407987From what I seen in retardkun stream>Switch 1 version actually runs so no major performance issues>Regional dex is too small>Almost all XY characters are replaced by OCs>Padding out the ass with royale sections or rogues>Rank is bullshit since Vinnie nepobaby'd you anyway>Royale sections need high amount of points to get through so you need to collect fortnite mission cards to progress faster>Cast fucking sucks with mostly boring characters or annoying little shits like Naveen and Iono 2.0
>>58413982so.. you haven't played any of the games pretty much? do you like poke'mon? >>58413859a *lot* of female chars in this game>>58412911you have to wonder if this means it's meant to be appreciated in a new way
Finished the game today and it is worse than Scarlet/Violet.Catching and wild area zones are small, cramped and you will be gangbanged trying to fight or catch anything. Rooftops tend to be better but the core is still bad.Pokemon battles might be the worst in the series. The speed stat is useless. The entire game is the same bland Lumiose City no different from X/Y with only two small dungeons being a short sewer section and the Lysandre Cafe.
>>584079875/10 but at least they are finally trying. Gen 10 is gonna suck if this is what they learned after SV.
>>58407987its a pretty good spinoff
>>58407987The franchise is dead. Just go play digimon or something if you need to fill your monster fix.
>>58410568was that in the leaked internal documents?
>>58414194was just talking about the switch games as context, i LOVED playing SoulSilver as my first pokemon game at like 10 or 11,then Loved playing Red & Yellow on a gameboy color i got for a birthday!? (about 12/13-yo)After that it was when sun and moon were new that i bought that and played it alongside my sister and loved that incredibly much too (about 14 at this time)Next year christmas UsUm i thought was also incredibly fun, 100s of hours spent on a single savefile, just loved the region and everything about it. (15-yo)dabled with diamond/pearl as well in high school alongside some friends, but didnt get that much into those ones.also i am kinda retarded so i never really BEAT any of the games yet i have spent up to hundreds of hours into individual ones of these somehow, sun is the only one i ever actually "beat" lolused to love all the games i had played untill sword and shield which i was really hyped for beforehand which made it that more dissapointing, so yeah that is the full pretext, and currently am having fun playing Z-A on my laptop!
>>58414096>>Padding out the ass with royale sections or roguesI really wonder what is going through people's heads when they complain about the jump from rank V to F.
>>58414261i cant count, SoulSilver >i meant 8 or 9Red & Yellow + gbcolor >i meant 10/11sun & moon >i meant 12USUM >i meant 13correction*
good if you pirate it. its fun if your a retard like me. helps i didnt pay 80 dollars + dlc for it
>>58414233what is she looking at?
Is it just me, or is the lock-on/focus targeting REALLY janky in this game? You cannot hold down the button, you need to hit it as soon as something enters your "focus"...which means if something is aggroing you, you are never, ever getting off the first attack...which has been really, really frustrating.Shit like this as why this game is mid at best for me.
>>58414233I hope it does, but that Champions is good. I don’t want to buy a switch T(j)wo.
>>58407987Game's fun so far, already found a shiny
>>58414280How the hell do you mix up all these ages, especially 13 and 15, one age you're in grade school and one you'd be in highschool. You didn't remember if you were in highschool or not when you played it?
>>58414346did the math wrong, thought 2016 - 2004 was 14 for some reason lol
>>58413982You should try Legends Arceus, it has some problems but it has "Soul" in a way that none of the other modern pokemon games do and you can tell the developers actually gave a shit about trying to make something interesting even if it isn't the greatest game ever
>>58414096>>Almost all XY characters are replaced by OCsThis is complete bullshit and ruins the entire appeal of the game>here's your XY sequel/third game we never made bro>Huh? Sycamore? Calem? Serena? Who the fuck are you talking about?
>>58414377Nevermind soul, the combat was simple, yet consistent and strategic; a spin on a tried and true formula that worked really well.
>>58410568>They tried but got mad at them and told them off. Monolith was probably telling them they were doing shit wrong and got mad.Source on this? I thought what it was was Nintendo proposed gamefreak get help and gamefreak said no but that might have been a mistranslation or unrelated to this
>>58414233Gamefreak doesn't "learn" if you haven't caught on yet. Every new game they throw out whatever they did last time and throw darts at the wall now. They don't even see what sticks, they just move on to the next set of totally different darts immediately. Why did they ruin the art style everyone loved in exchange for the dogshit art of Gen 9? Change for the sake of change. Why does ZA have xenoblade knockoff combat? Change for the sake of change. Why will Gen 10 have procedural generation? Change for the sake of change.
>>58414435Well said, anon
>>58414346To be fair he did say he was "kinda retarded" lol
>>58409449niggas will really pay hundreds for a negligable difference
>>58407987Is just me or running in this game is awful? I press B and most of the times my character walk instead. I don't know how I feel about the battle system. It tries to be some weird Xenoblade and legends Arceus bastard child but fails at being both games... It has cooldowns from Xenoblade but your pokemon won't attack while you wait for them like Xenoblade and I still see no reason to not just spam all of them. It has dodging and throwing poke balls in a small city and pokemon will attack you when the focus is just battling... It made sense in PLA but not here. In PLA time will stop when you enter a battle but here your pokemon will wait for you command while the wild Pokemon will still try to attack you so you have to give a command or dodge like a retard... Why? I'm not having fun right now. Also use rock smash in the city because magic rocks and now we like HMs(TMs) again? Weird game... I just wanted frostbite from PLA and a turn based battle... I didn't ask much...
>>58414396>>58414444I remember being so optimistic after PLA came out assuming Gen 9 was going to be something of an evolution of that idea but with a more modern setting and then I saw for some godforsaken reason they reinvented the wheel again instead of using the PLA engine as a base and lost faith. Then I saw they were making another Legends and got hope they realized they had a winning formula and that SV was a mistake then the leaks said it had the SV art style and I realized they just aren't willing to learn from either their success or failures right now for some reason
>>58414477Yes this is the problem with the battle system. It has no auto attack. It's just mindless mashing buttons. There's not even the Combo system of Xenoblade 2 which is what this game tried to copy and fail.
>>58414493I forgot the name "auto attacks". It only has the arts as the normal moves. So your pokemon will literally not do anything while they charge. It also doesn't make sense for you to be dodging or giving commands. It's chaotic just to be annoying not because it's a deep system. In PLA you could battle or use all the stealth and dodging mechanics. Not both. Here I end up asking why I'm doing this. It doesn't make sense in this game unlike PLA. Also all moves will be short and quick because they are real time and won't be well animated like a turn based battle. Fast and strong style were fun to use in PLA. Here is me walking and targeting to use a move then dodging again... I don't like this at all.
>>58414477>>58414589>>58414493One pokemon in particular exemplifies how broken this combat system is: Aegislash. The fucker takes way too long to stance change between moves and is a literal punching bag in blade form for far longer than it has any right to be.
>>58412595we love insaneintherain
>>58407987lmfao these retards saying PLA is a good game is a major cope, that shit looked like dogshit. i have no idea as to why you guys call it good when the most you're doing is CATCHING the same Pokemon on repeat with shitty landscapes, repeating tiles and MORE empty spaces, like your excited by what could be in the empty spaces>But it's trying to replicate a style!very horribly, they weren't even trying m8. legends Z-A is them actually trying but still messing up. they are the king of bare minimum, the king of mediocrity and all you guys do is slop it up claim the game is them TRYING and being EXCITED by next product.>But Legends Z-A!!the only thing i will say about Z A is their interiors are fucking phenomenal, if they actually spent that same effort with the exterior then i would not be making this comment. they do these small little things like what i can only describe as small micro expressions during cut scenes are great! they are learning! but the good doesn't outweighs the bad.5/10dont be excited by gen 10
>>58414822>They are learningThey are not. Even sword and shield had decent looking interiors.
>>58414589Yeah the combat is way too fast for what it's trying to be. This shit wasn't tested at all and they expect people to grind it out online for at least Three Seasons?!In Xenoblade the main mechanic is changing attacks. There's an intricate combo system that's about chainging right right attacks together. You move around to position your attacks in the right spot. The problem is that in Pokémon you don't attack the Pokémon does so the system here doesn't make sense.
>>58415102Like the other anon said it's change for the sake of change. Everything feels unnatural like they took ideas from multiple games and mixed in Lumiose for some reason. Why Lumiose? Turning Lumiose into a Pokemon shithole doesn't make sense. Even the Scarlet and Violet DLC did this better with the terrarium, it's big, artificial and with enough space to explore and let Pokemon be in their habitats. Here is in the middle of the city. Makes no fucking sense. What is going on...
>>58415160I wonder why the fuck they decided to turn Lumiose city into a Zoo. Do we have a reason on the leaked documents? It's a really odd choice.
>>58414822You lost btw.
>>58415322It's explained towards the end game. Basically they had to renovate part of the city after the rubble of the ultimate weapon firing and they discovered that the firing activated a hidden mechanism in the lumiose tower that dissipated mega energy, thus more pokemon were attracted towards and the city/more rogue megas. Quazartico kept it under wraps by making holographic zones, that's basically the intro custcene of the game btw.
Having played only 3 hours, I have to say I'm having fun. The game has a lot of problems, and frankly I would obviously say different things had I actually purchased the game. There is the fact that the Switch 2 version will look and work better, but still, at it's core it's missing a lot of things. I'm trying to not see this as a "main" game experience, since doing so will have me comparing it with games it will never be able to compete. So far the only annnoying thing is how the night/day change can affect your battles which is infuriating. Seems like a fun 6/10, I guess
>>58408033Its not that different from the normal system since the positioning barely matters. Despite the looks its more FF4 ATB than it is Xenoblade
>>58413011as an arceusfag who's played about 3 hours of ZA, I think its still worth it. The city isnt as fun to explore as the nature of arceus, but its still fun, and the wild zones, while small, offer diversity in interesting ways.
>>58414477>Is just me or running in this game is awful? I press B and most of the times my character walk instead.happens to me too, I think its just an emulator/input thing
>>58416451That's why it sucks. It's Xenoblade combat without the auto attacks or depth in using multiple character arts in tandem.
>>58409095>datedOpinion discarded
>>58416751>without the auto attacksThats like the worst part of xenoblade, it makes it feel like an mmo. If it needs to take anything from xenoblade its implementing positioning more in battle.
>>58416869Positioning, and having combos. Because right now, you just thoughtlessly use a move as soon as it comes off cooldown. This system has even less depth than the turn-based games.
>>58414477Running thing happens to me but i'm sure it's an emulator issue.
>>58414477>Also use rock smash in the city because magic rocks and now we like HMs(TMs) again?you can use any attack for the pink rocks, and any fighting move for the normal rocks
Does the game at least have actual dungeons/catacombs of any kind? Like what people were theorizing about before cause Lumios based on Paris & blah blah blah
>>58417193Just 2, and they're both pretty late in the game and basic.
>>58407987My experience with the gameJust like legends arceus, its just a fucking slog of inconveniences that trick people into thinking its """"""""""""challenging""""""""""""""""""
>>58408234>You think they would LIE to you?Considering the amount of people who complain when someone has something negative to say about the game?YesYes they would>>58408359No animation cancelling which basically makes it inferior as an action game
>>58407987I cannot in good faith ever recommend anyone buy this game. It's genuinely, I think, the worst game in the franchise right now and the kind of rhetoric that 'it's fine' and receiving 10/10's from some obscure review platforms is a complete fucking joke.I just don't understand how Gamefreak is getting away with this garbage. Even Scarlet and Violet were redeemable because the core gameplay loop was still Pokemon, it just had terrible performance, graphical issues and many cut corners, but at least it was still fundamentally a Pokemon game.ZA is just unrecognizable.
>>58417393legends arceus is the worst game in the series followed by BW1
>>58417411
Does Blastoise get Shell Smash in this game?
>>58417393No, the worst game of the franchise will always be the first Pokemon Rangers.
>>58414483It really was AS SIMPLE as using PLA's core mechanics and just adding a proper full length story, gyms, a similar HM style system, more dungeons and a proper interconnected map with full scale cities each the size and scope of Jubilife in PLA or at the very least similar in scope (some towns will be smaller and that's obviously fine), and it could easily be the greatest Pokemon game ever made, but of course they won't do it.Gamefreak is the most incompetent studio of their prestige and they need a radical reform or else the quality of games will just continue to worsen, ZA is not even a presentable product.
>>58417442PLA's mechanics were all crap, Pokemon is about battling, not catching.What they should have done is take advantage of the smaller map to make the game fully online, no NPC trainers, just other players.
>>58414341https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pMbxSENOXG0&pp=0gcJCR4Bo7VqN5tD
>>58417433No
ZA offers the worst of both worlds.The battle system is complete shit and unrewarding, the catching is lame and nowhere near as satisfying as PLA.PLA did both infinitely better.
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>>58417477No it didnt, the current battle system is a cancer derived from PLA's dumbass "fast attack, no IV/EVs, and the whole "roll around throwing bags at Pokemon" crap.
>>58417477Battling is about curbstomping the enemy which means this game is already the best pokemon game.
>>58408234based eurogamer
>>58417492It didn't do what? You imply it didn't offer the worst of both worlds then say the battle system sucks because it took what are in your opinion are the worst aspects of PLA. >No, it didn't take the worst aspects of both worlds it just took the worst aspects of both worlds
>try to fight a pokemon on a rooftop>mons just keep falling off, the moves don't land at allthey couldn't even make the city setting work with their battle system.
>>58417542NVM I see what you meant to say but regardless of the battle system the catching in PLA was still more satisfying as the other guy said
>>58417465>give it Shell Smash one game>immediately take it away once Mega comes backThey're really afraid huh?
>>58417546Problem is catching is the worst part of the franchise, its just RNG.
>>58407987>So what's the verdictIt's shit even by modern pokemon standards
>>58407987Better than Black and White 2, worse than Sword and Shield.
>>58407987worst switch pokemon game by a longshot. I knew it'd be missing the essence of Pokemon the moment they revealed the 'city only' setting, but I didn't think it'd be this bad
>>58417581>the essence of Pokemon is trotting around an open worldGod, I can't wait for Champions to come out so I dont have to keep putting up with these fags.
Is getting better jumps part of the main story? I wanna clear that froakie shit but you can't without a jumping move.
This might be the greatest game of all time - werster, just now
>>58407987Gonna emulate it, I need to see how shit it is.
>>58417595Every single Pokemon game up until ZA has covered themes of exploration to some extent. ZA offers none whatsoever, and the offerings are laughable. HGSS, also known as the best Pokemon game in the series, has plenty of exploration, hidden grottos, dungeons, puzzles and discoverable areas and it is not open world, your strawman is so bad I'll just presume it's bait.They couldn't even model the city to look pleasant, they cut so many corners that a game based entirely in a 'city' doesn't even have buildings you can enter except for like 3, and the whole "map" is one big interconnected model.Nintendo has to resort to paying off reviewers the day before it officially releases to damage control before the wave of real user reviews hit the internet instead of just addressing the elephant in the room, which is that Gamefreak needs radical reform.
>>58417552They're always scared. Why dont you think megas have abilities?
>>58409513MOOOOODS
>game that was made 20 years ago has a better real time combat system
>>58417656Emerald is better than HGSS, mostly because it takes less time to get to the Battle Frontier. Exploration in these games has always sucked, needing to waste team slots on HM slaves just to get a rare candy.No idea why GF insists on adding so many distractions from the battling.Even ZA with the smaller map is ruined because they just had to change the battle system again.
>>58417720Here's the thing: no one wants real time combat. Stop changing it, the combat doesnt need to be touched on, its the one thing that works fine.
>>58417736Make doubles the default to make the turn based combat enjoyable. No idea why Shitfreak keeps insisting on singles for the series.
>>58417736The truth is Pokemon (((combat))) is boring, there's really no challenge or satisfaction in it. Almost everything is built around being 1-shot or 2-shotted.The problem I see is if they wanted to make an engaging real time combat system they would have to literally throw out all the base stats / damage calculations / multipliers that they've been reusing since forever. Then they need to reassign them from scratch in a way that makes battles go on just long enough so that there can be meaningful decision-making and exchanges.
>>58417720That's not real time that's autobattle
>>58414233Crazy how the company creating the most profitable franchise ever has to keep "learning" and going "a step in the right direction." I'm sick of people giving Game Freak a pass just because muh nostalgia or that Pokemon was always for handhelds. They want to make big boy games they're going to be judged alongside other big boys that have repeatedly beaten their asses in every aspect.
Where the FUCK are the shiny stones?
>>58417957just wait for what happens next
>>58407987I can't believe there's still no voice acting in these fucking games
>>58417957Lumiose...home
>>58414240Problem is, Digimon aren't Pokemon. They're markedly worse.
>>58417458>What is the slogan for the series>In both English and Japanese
>>58418382>Battle is....>TOO HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>58417736I think half the people complaining about turn-based wouldn't care as much if GF had ever done anything in all these years to make it faster and smoother. It's still the same slow, primitive system they've been using since 1996 on the Game Boy that was already a decade behind the genre even back then. Pokemon makes turn-based combat look boring as fuck when it doesn't take much to make it fun.Not that I'm defending their garbage attempt at real-time combat either. Everything I've seen of it looks like it was barely playtested before release. They have no clue what makes action or real-time combat satisfying and, like >>58417847 said, they are unwilling to change the underlying systems to make it actually work.
>>58418545Legends Arceus turn based was very snappy and speedy
>>58417847 It's especially bad in ZA because a battle can be over literally instantly.
>>58417411Arceus battles were still pokemon with a little more depth even with the fast and strong style moves. Here is just real time spam Xenoblade arts game
>>58418648It's much worse. Xenoblade arts had positioning to keep in mind and combos you can perform with different arts. The closest this game gets to any of that is when you use a slow projectile move like Zap Cannon, or using a boosting move.
>>58418648For me it feels like >>58417280 and less like xenoblade
>>58409638
>>58409638They finally added mega jinx to the games?! She is cute
>>58407987The rogue battle system is very difficult for me since I have bad reflexes and it makes pokemon without mega evos suck ass since you can just mega everytime the gauge fills meaning that all mega team is optimal. I'd give it 7/10. Worse than PLA since PLA's presentation is beautiful and fun to play. ZLA is too railroaded too hard, the wild zones have limited pokemon
>>58417877At first yes, you only manage items. But as the intelligence stat grows, you unlock battle commands, including the specific attacks
I like legends arceus because im afraid of pokemon battles and would rather run around in an empty world
>>58418838The good thing about PLA is that if you are having a hard time dodging and using stealth items you can just start a battle and relax with the turn based combat. Here it's dodge, target, choose a move, dodge, target, use a move, dodge... What were they thinking?!
>>58417847? post elo
>>58418838>>58418852Rogue Fights are the only ones where you need to dodgeIt's useless everywhere else
>>58418870I never bothered dodging, I just ran circles.
>>58412967The main issue, I feel, is the camera. Your character is running around while your pokemon real time battles. It's faster, but you can't really appreciate the battle properly.
>>58413995>legends arceus was the only good switch gameIt was only VERY good Pokemon title on switch.SV has problems but its still very good pokemon experience.
>>58414216>The speed stat is useless.Thats best part the fact that MOVES actually matter is way better
>>58418820>intelligence stat growsShit, I remember that. Realizing the intelligence stat controlled your digimon's ability to understand more complex commands was one of my biggest shocks in games ever. The game would have done so much better if it had way more tutorials.
>>58417393>It's genuinely, I think, the worst game in the franchise right nowOverreacting. BDSP exists.
>>58417458>Pokemon is about battling, not catching.Its about 3 things. Collecting, battling and bonding. And games shows if you neglect one of the aspect it gets worse.
>>58407987it's pretty good
>>58417847Exactly!!! I havea feeling like80% of mons BEGS to have HP stat boosted
>We lost Jubilife Village for a "city" that feels lifeless with flat textures on blocks for buildings that you can't even enterHow did it go so wrong? All I wanted was PLA but better...
How doable is the game if you don’t use megas at all?
>>58419231Not very, Rogue Megas will wall you.
>>58419250Cringe…
Reasons why Z-A is actually the best Pokemon game:1) Still no voice acting. Yes, this is a good thing because without English VAs (“jelly donut!”), you can immerse yourself in the culture and history of Japan. The game might call itself Paris or whatever but it is fundamentally Japanese, so English voice acting is not appropriate.2) It’s about gameplay, not graphics. We do NOT need good graphics for a game to be good. Just look at Deltarune. 3) Finally some Dark Souls mechanics. Everyone loves Dark Souls and we’re glad that it’s now in Pokemon. 4) Finally addressing the Palworld issue. We’re glad to see more Palworld in Pokemon after all the criticism.5) More diversity. It’s 2025, hello?6) It’s just a classic return to form. We can catch and battle Pokemon so it’s one of the return-to-formiest games we’ve played in a long time.
>>58419203>How did it go so wrong?GF keeps lowering the quality until pokesissies finally say no ( it will never happen)
>>58419281I know this post is ironic but comparing Deltarune's art to the visual vomit of modern Pokemon is visceral
>>58419281I don't even know what you guys mean with "more palworld" anymore. They aren't even close to have the same gameplay.
>>58407999FpbpShame on you, OP
>>58413871Literally no Dancing minigame with her???
>>58417458>Pokemon is about battling, not catching.Have you ever played a pokemon game in your life? Catching is inseparably tied to battling.
>>58419579Nothing. You don't even get to fight her more than once.
Between the dreamworks ass artstyle and them killing off AZ I don't think I want to play this game
>>58419132>collectingA boring time waster no different than grinding for resources.>bondingThe fuck does this even mean?>>58419681Considering next year a game is coming out with no catching mechanics, it seems like they aren't.
>>58418545Difficulty is what makes the combat gratifying.
>>58419745We're not allowed to have blue archive or fgo tier girls in pokemon please understand
So... Is there any point in catching multiple pokemon in this game other than farming for a good nature? In PLA releasing pokemon gave you stuff. Not here it seems?
Shitty new looking designs for megas, I hate like 90% of them
>>58420151I only hate Clefable.
>>58407987Its a fucking downgrade from Legends Arceus which was a tech demo
>>58419745Yeah watching Rtardkuns stream was all I needed to see from this game it just doesn't look fun
>>58420151I liked the long antenna on Meganium rather than this curly shit.
>>58417581This was the final red flag for me. Franchise became popular on replayability and replaying one city is just not it.
>>58408691ive seen screenshots from vtubers palying the switch 2 version the textures dont even look better its probably exactly the same, switch 1 occasionally has framedrops but nothing major
>>58420559Honestly I don't even think it's worth the upgrade pack. Wow 60 fps but the game still looks like shit.
>>58420807i jsut ordered the game yesterday so my switch 2 gets some use not sure ill get it either though kek, already played throguh like half
>>58407987This game is clearly just a way to unlock a bunch of mons for Champions, as most of the last games had similar built in features for their DLC, this is the same, if you want to use Mega’s in the future you’ll have to buy this game and the DLC just to get the items.
>>58420368It seems like they know it’s not replayable, and that it’s set up to essentially hand hold you through a completionist run of the game.
Has Mewtwo's theme been found yet? what about Diancie's?
>>58417581City only is the best setting.Fuck nature.The problem is that gamefreak sucks in their art direction. I can only hope that gen 11 goes hard on the urbanization.I already wrote off gen 10 for being the PROTECT NATURE T_T game
>>58418545I love turn based combat, I hate Pokémon combat, and I'm with the other anon regarding PLA. The combat there was fast and satisfying. Yes, I prefer longer battles with more thinking, but since there's no depth to the systems in Pokémon, making it faster automatically makes it better. There is like maybe one good idea about the system on ZA, but it's not a good implementation. All the things you would expect from looking at the combat system aren't there. >Positioning is shit>Firing off moves is shit>Ordering pokemon sucksAlmost all of it feels completely unrewarding. Sneaking on people to instantly end a battle with a super-effective move isn't at all fun. I wouldn't be as frustrated if PLA didn't get a lot of things right and felt like a genuine step forward.Even the Rogue Mega battles are a worse version of the big retard battles that PLA had, which were by far the worst part of the game.>>58417581I was willing to give it a shot since I've played other games set entirely in a city/town that still got exploration right, but ZA just sucks.>>58417601You can clear it by just aiming your rolls better, last one took me a few tries.
>>58407987I just want to know if there's a way to fast forward past the night in this game because I'm only buying this for the PLA style catching, I fucking hate trainer battles (yes I know, >buying trainer battles: the game)
Do you actually get Eternal Floette? I would assume it's the dex prize like Arceus was in PLA?
>>58407987What's the plot?
>>58407987They tried to copy palworld which is already a copycat so i'm not buying
>>58417440You are now remembering Pokemon Dash
it's the same dog shit that will sell millions despite all the bugs in it because pokefags have no standards anymore. it's nothing new, it'll sell well. rinse and repeat, what else you want us to say since we know this is the same story
>>58408033>The new battle system is ass.they shouldn't have made you control the trainer but instead control the pokemon and use the buttons on the right to execute one of your 4 moves. that way it'll feel you are commanding the pokemon, not the trainer commanding the pokemon
>>58409638>it's tobyslop
>>58409098
>>58409638now this is some finger waggin music
