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>>58409096
ON THE BIRTH OF THE LEGENDS SERIES (Legends Arceus era - S/V era):
>The structural problem regarding the director role is still in place
>Game Freak is worried about the concentration of power in Ohmori's hands not leading to optimal game development
>Turning point for Game Freak as they establish the Legends series and move away from pure remakes
>They plan their management restructure

ON THE FUTURE:
>The "director" role will be split into 3 roles (picrel):
>1. Concept Director - manages the project's theming/concept/plot
>2. Director - manages the overall progress of the project
>3. Producer - manages the technical progress and game design of the project

WHAT THIS MEANS FOR US AS POKEMON FANS:
Well, a few things
>They want to divide responsibility at Game Freak
>Ohmori likely isn't the only one with control over the direction of Gen 10
>There are 2 other people working in the Concept Director and the Producer roles, who they are we don't know yet, could be anyone's guess
>Game Freak say they have more power over the creative direction of the franchise than The Pokemon Company
>They say their current plans for the future of Pokemon (New gens for expanding audience, Legends for catering to hardcores, spinoffs for everyone) was entirely their own
>They are planning to do more projects with large-scale server costs going forward & that requires collaboration with TPC (probably Pokopia and Seed)
>They want to keep a focus on creativity and fun when it comes to planning & not become like TPC
>They don't want TPC involved in any promotion for various reasons (Bring Back National Dex situation mentioned, want to do promotion themselves, slows down game development)
>Their restructure will probably lead to the games from Gen 10 onwards feeling different than the games from S/M - S/V

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>>58409103
AND FINALLY, any questions ask away, I can try my best to enlighten you nerds!!!!

I don't think anyone realises just how HUGELY important this document is to us as fans, it tells us all about how they approach game development and gives us a hint as to how things will change from now on (hint: A FUCKING LOT)

>he reposted his fake PDF AGAIN
without posting a source
This is just getting pathetic anon

>>58409103
>>Bring Back National Dex situation mentioned
WE WON.

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>>58409096
S tier effort post anon. who do you think is going to take the 2 new director roles?

>>58409124
its in the fucking dump take a look

>>58409161
Post the dump, then post the filepath.

You won’t, because you’re a retard.

>>58409115
Chances of Gen 10 proposal being completely changed so that it is not about Ohmori's family trauma shoehorning again?
Anything about the fucking hideous bootleg pixar artstyle and if they'll go back to proper anime?
Anything on who'll be the new dude in charge?
What do you find the most interesting personally? What thing gives you hope and what thing gives you a "it's over, everything will continue to be shit"?

>>58409096
Gamefreak really are the luckiest bastards in the whole history of humanity.
30 years of everything being a complete and total clusterfuck and they keep falling upwards.
And the worst part is that the niggers don't even appreciate their luck. And we're the ones suffering for that.

>>58409124
dump: >>58405333
filepath: idk ask op

>>58409103
Ohmori seems to be the one who came up with the concept for gen 10 based on those slides (obviously it could be collective but it says ‘By Shigeru Ohmori’ and contains all his usual tropes). I assume the concept director would be him.

... A director exerting control over their product is completely normal
Gamefreak is isolated from the rest of the industry and has no idea how things work in other companies

>>58409142
Seems obvious the only reason dexit happened was so they could sell additional Pokémon later as dlc.

>>58409270
Its not. The reintroduced Pokemon were available for transfer even if you didnt own the DLCs.

>>58409254
>the retard who made this fake leak is isolated from the rest of the industry and has no idea how things work in other companies
ftfy

>>58409270
And only 1/4 of players are buying the DLC and the DLC is such a development clusterfuck it's costing as much as a whole entire game.

So what you're telling me is Masuda was the glue holding the mainline games together and is the reason why the gen 3-6 games are fun?
I consider gen 7 to be the real "last" gen of Pokemon games since the Switch era plummeted the franchise into an era of darkness

>>58409292
>Try splitting 3rd versions into 2
>people stop buying them
>stop doing them altogether and pivot to DLC
>nobody buys it
I hope we're approaching a point where Gamefreak has to sell finished products at launch or at least finish them with free updates

>>58409096
>>58409103
>>58409115
this document dispels a lot of Pokemon fan myths like the theory that Ohmori was always planned to take over from Masuda, or that TPC are forcing Game Freak to make certain creative choices (like LGPE)

>>58409254
Unironically this. What's the fucking point of having a director if not to create his grand artistic vision?

>>58409169
>refuses to think for himself/do the bare minimum work but complains someone else is the retard in the situation

Never change /vp/

>>58409305
At least with third version we'd have the base game refined and improved.
Never been a fan of DLCs because we miss out on that. Now the game is left unfinished, and even double as unfinished because they're chopping things out for the sake of selling DLC.

>>58409284
Sure. Through another paid service, or trading with someone who bought the dlc. It certainly was not for "graphical fidelity" or whatever the fuck Masuda claimed it was for, so they could bring it back is what I meant.

>>58409316
TPC would probably make better decisions at this point. Gamefreak has had more then enough time to get their footing and experiment and whatever without any outside help and they clearly fucking aren't.

>>58409254
They say that the director role had too much control over the direction to the point of being a burden, hence why they're dividing the role up, so that one person doesn't have to do all that. And so they can actually train employees to manage

>>58409096
I wonder why Unno struggled in the director role? Maybe he just didn't want to be in such an important management role anymore? Because he's still working there

>>58409325
Maybe it'd be cool to go back to third versions but just make it so you get a discount to a DLC level price for it digitally if you own the original game

>>58409254
Other companies have multiple directors though.

>>58409103
Again I have to wonder how exactly is Legends catering to "hardcore" players when the closest thing Pokemon has to that is people who play competitive and they don't give a shit about Legends because it's a different battle system?

>>58409376
Depends what you define as hardcore. It seems Game Freak regard hardcore fans as people that have been playing for multiple gens and care about the lore and stuff

>>58409096
>surprised no ones actually talking about how insightful these are
How are we supposed to? You won’t post a fucking source.

>>58409326
>Sure. Through another paid service, or trading with someone who bought the dlc

Same restriction would've been present in any other game though. You're either trading from someone else, or from another paid game.

>It certainly was not for "graphical fidelity" or whatever the fuck Masuda claimed it was for

No disagreement there. He was absolutely lying through his teeth with that statement.
In SV there's at least more that goes into a given Pokemon, behaviors, biomes, etc.. probably not enough to fully justify it, but their dev cycles also short as hell.. but with shit like SwSh where there was nothing to speak of? If anything I think its just that behind the scenes development has been nightmarishly chaotic based on this.

We are clearly not equipped to understand the internal team dynamics, especially through limited machine translated documents. People are going to read way too much into it.

>>58409426
Ok Joe

>>58409096
none of this shit is important
>>tell us why we're getting what we're getting
the only answer to this is retarded goy cattle subhumans keep buying the shit products
/thread

>>58409096
>They mostly worked on Pulseman & other projects together while R/B/Y & G/S were being made, and occasionally helped on Pokemon.
I knew these two were hacks

>>58409426
especially considering OP’s entire pdf is fake

>>58409440
They still did a lot of work. Otherwise Masuda wouldn't have landed the Crystal director role, nor Sugimori the role of drawing a lot of the art

>>58409096
Where is all of that fanfiction coming from? None of that is in the pdf.
>Masuda and Sugimori were duos
PDF only mentioned them working together on a sideproject in Red/Green era, that's it. Otherwise it was all Masuda. The only time they're mentioned again is when they're fighting in XY, when Sugimori gets rid of Masuda.
>Allowed newbies to come into management positions and the old guard being promoted.
"Newbies" that are as old as Masuda, like Watanabe.
>They sometimes pop in to supervise
The document mentions cutting Masuda from ALL development after Sun/Moon. He's only a "producer" in everything but Shining Diamond and Brilliant Pearl. They aren't flattering to him.
>Unno struggled in the role for various reasons & decided to hand the S/M director role to Ohmori
No mention of Unno "struggling" and "handing it over to Ohmori." Ohmori was just made in charge of the second division of the development unit and that role also ended up doing a lot of director work, due to poor company structure.
>The structural problem at Game Freak where the director had insane control over everything remained in place during this period
No such thing mentioned. Masuda had control because he wasn't just the director. He was everything. This wasn't a "structure problem" it was a Masuda problem. He wanted every role. As the other thread mentioned, Board Director + Head of Development + Director.
>They did nothing to fix the core issue
They did. The structure changed entirely after SM, the last game with Masuda input. Roles are properly divided, and the only issue mentioned BY OHMORI is that Ohmori himself is incharge of two things, second division of the development unit and game directing. That's it.

Why is anyone listening to this? This is just taking shit and making fanfic around it.

>>58409322
What’s the file path nigger

>>58409096
Wokemon

>>58409358
great, now we can have three incompetent idiots trampling all over each other's work instead of one
dividing a thing as direction is the stupidest thing you could do: someone will always be more assertive and exert actual control over the other two
they're tricking themselves into thinking this leads to a more healthy development team but it'll just cause more resentment and affect them even more

>>58409305
have you not seen how nu-nintendo is handling switch 2 games?
dk bananza's dlc is a spit on the face, but nintards are subhumans so they slurp it up like the good goyim cattle they are

>>58409472
not op but damn you need to learn to read
>on a sideproject
literally says they worked on many other projects
>Watanabe
yes Watanabe is a newbie to that role if you actually read the document, you're taking it too literally. Regardless fresh blood moved into those roles
>The document mentions cutting Masuda from ALL development after Sun/Moon.
no... it doesn't... https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Junichi_Masuda#Song_credits
>No mention of Unno "struggling" and "handing it over to Ohmori."
"leaving them feeling in the dark" "division of labor was unclear"
>No such thing mentioned. Masuda had control because he wasn't just the director. He was everything. This wasn't a "structure problem" it was a Masuda problem. He wanted every role. As the other thread mentioned, Board Director + Head of Development + Director.
It clearly is a structure problem because they're trying to fix it right now so that Ohmori doesn't have a burden on his shoulder. Not to mention it says nothing about Masuda "wanting every role", just that he had too much control
>They did. The structure changed entirely after SM, the last game with Masuda input. Roles are properly divided, and the only issue mentioned BY OHMORI is that Ohmori himself is incharge of two things, second division of the development unit and game directing. That's it.
No... they didn't. They are CURRENTLY changing the structure with Gen 10. Read the fucking document. Not responding to you after this since I'm sure this is bait

>>58409504
Difference is here we know that the Pokemon DLC specifically doesn't seem to be worth the squeeze and Game Freak can do things differently from Nintendo if they want. It wasn't like every Nintendo game was getting an updated version a year later when gamefreak was doing the third version thing so Nintendo's DLC patterns shouldn't be used to predict what is essentially the replacement of third versions.

>>58409322
>“hey, so what’s the source to your BS claim so that we can verify you’re not making shit up?”
>“um, figure it out yourself???”

so either
A. you’re regurgitating someone else’s translation and have no fucking clue where this actually came from or if it’s even an accurate translation
B. you’re not sharing the file path because you’re a retarded nigger

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>>58409472
the issue isn't the person. It's the role of the director and the structure of Game Freak. Hence why Masuda still worked on the games just not in the director role anymore

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>>58409561
>Hence why Masuda still worked on the games just not in the director role anymore

>>58409564
yeah that too I forgot, only adds to my point

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>>58409561
>worked in other roles
It's literally all just a "producer" role. The document literally singles it out and brings attention to how they don't let him be involved in development anymore.

>>58409564
Pretty sure mainline games and low budget remakes/spinoffs are different

>>58409600
>Pretty sure mainline games
LGPE is a mainline game
Of course a retard inventing a fake leak wouldn't think this so he wouldn't include it

>>58409599
producer is a pretty important role, idk if you know. not to mention he consistently worked on his passion of music and contributed there. He became like Miyamoto where he gradually handed the role over and just supervised mostly

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>>58409599
>It's literally all just a "producer" role

>>58409103
>WHAT THIS MEANS FOR US AS POKEMON FANS:
Nothing

>>58409618
It's a role that has nothing to do with game development. He's a "producer" and that's it. He's contributing nothing to game design or personnel selection anymore. Nothing comes from him. He just takes paychecks.

>>58409611
If you can't see the very, very obvious difference between the development of something like LGPE which is just a low budget remake of Gen 1 with Pokemon GO gameplay and something like SWSH which is the start of a new Pokemon generation that needs a new story, world, several new pokemon, several new characters, and to be a good enough foundation for the non game parts of the franchise you have brain damage or are just intentionally being a moron because you want to ragebait people for entertainment

>>58409096
>Unno struggled in the role for various reasons
Sadly, this still won't stop retards from thinking that adding things to a game that somebody else already made means you're instantly qualified to make your own game.

>>58409648
>HE'S BANNED FROM DIRECTING
>ummmm actually he can still direct games I invented a fanfic for not counting for some reason
It's ok, bro. Maybe next time you'll remember LGPE exists next time you need to invent a fake leak to prop up Gen 5.

>>58409637
Ok and why does that mean that he's not playing an integral role in the success of the games? since my original point was that they didn't banish him because he's a problematic person or anything. he was still incredibly involved in the production of games S/M onwards whether music or acting as a bridge between creative and business teams. Which makes sense since he's now moved onto a role at TPC.

>>58409654
Okay, I'll take boiling down the very obvious differences between a low budget Kanto remake that doesn't matter and the first ever Pokemon generation on a home console to "inventing fanfiction to make gen 5 look good" to be an admission of "intentionally being a moron to ragebait people for entertainment". This is the last reply from anybody you're getting from this thread so good day

>>58409679
>he's still seething that he made such a basic mistake for his ebin """leak"""
kek

>>58409654
holy btfo

>>58409305
What's funny is the backlash at the time caused the Ultra games to become the highest selling 3rd versions aside from Pokemon Yellow, so they realistically could have kept them going because the more people bitch the more people buy like with SWSH and SV

this is just a shift in structure for the team, instead of the director doing absolutely everything and risking to depend of the opinion of a single person it's now a team effort
But the internet is blowing up things out of proportion because yeah of course they do

>>58409103
>1. Concept Director - manages the project's theming/concept/plot
>2. Director - manages the overall progress of the project
>3. Producer - manages the technical progress and game design of the project

Number 2 serves no purpose, just merge with 3

>>58409748
yes it does, it's basically a project manager role, whereas the producer role is just the lead for game development and all things technical

>>58409524
Thing is, I can actually read. Let me break it down for you.
>many other projects
"Many" isn't used anywhere.
"増田さん、杉森さんは他のプロジェクトをメインでやっていた。(パルスマン)"
"Masuda-san, Sugimori-san mainly worked on a different project. (Pulseman)"
ZERO things here indicate "many." This is talking about Red/Green era. GameFreak published nothing for a year and half after Pulseman. The only other time Masuda and Sugimori are mentioned is when Sugimori fights with him and vows to not let him direct again.

>yes Watanabe is a newbie to that role if you actually read the document
Nowhere does it call him a newbie. He was lead game design in spinoffs before this and the second highest in hierarchy after Masuda, he just went from second to highest.

>no... it doesn't...
>lists to making music
You can make music without being a part of the development team. Goddamn Toby Fox made music for Scarlet and Violet. Ed Sheeran did.
"増田さんは開発に所属がない状態"
"Masuda-san is no longer involved in development."

>No mention of Unno "struggling" and "handing it over to Ohmori."
>"leaving them feeling in the dark" "division of labor was unclear"
Ask about Unno struggling and handing things to Ohmori, you quote how Unno's role itself was uncertain and then an out of context quote about Masuda.
"ディレクターや二部長の役割分担などは明確になく、手探りの状態。"
"結果として海野さんはゲームを作ることができず、大森が二部長+ディレクターとなった。"
"The responsibilities of manager of second division of development and game director weren't clearly distinguished, leaving things unclear, and as a result, Unno couldn't create the game, and Ohmori was the director."
And second one is
"・増田さん一強の時代と、仕組みはあまり変わらない状態だったが、
増田さんが勝手に決めることも多く、役割分担は不明だった"
"Nothing had changed much from Masuda's era, and company operated the same way, leading to Masuda deciding things on his own, the division of responsibilities being ambiguous."
This isn't Unno struggling and handing it over to Ohmori. Ohmori's position had all the power to begin with. And Masuda was still calling the shots.

One last thing remains.

>>58409767
>No... they didn't. They are CURRENTLY changing the structure with Gen 10.
Here's the Legends Arceus and SV part.
"渡辺さんが開発本部長となり、増田さんは開発に所属がない状態。
渡辺さんは常務取締役となり、増田さんと渡辺さんの地位がひっくり返った。
・本部長から要望やチェックが入るようになった。
これは正常だと思う。
・ただまだ二部長とディレクターは大森が行っており、
このままだと権限の集中が起き、組織が暴走しかねない。
また同機能を引き継ぐこともできない。
・今後本部長、二部長、ディレクターの役割を分け、それぞれの
要望に答えつつ、執行していく必要がある。"

I'll just rely on the other thread translation of it, since that's largely agreeable.
>Watanabe became the Head of Development Headquarters, and Masuda is no longer affiliated with development at all.
>Watanabe became the Board Director, effectively reversing the positions of Masuda and Watanabe in the hierarchy.
>Requests and checks from the Head of Development Headquarters
> I think this is a normal and healthy structure.
>However, Ohmori still continues to be both the Division 2 Manager and game director.
>This concentration of authority risks the same organizational chaos as before, making it difficult to inherit responsibilities in future.
>Moving forward, it will be necessary to separate the roles of Head of Development, Division 2 Manager and Director, and to execute tasks while responding to their respective requests and responsibilities."
Besides the retarded things like calling the guy incharge of second division of development "Division 2 Manager" without context, this is accurate. The head of development is different, director is different, the head of development is doing his job and overseeing the development, and THE ONLY issue mentioned is that Ohmori is both the director and to repeat my older post, "the only issue mentioned BY OHMORI is that Ohmori himself is incharge of two things, second division of the development unit and game directing. That's it."


Stop listening to an ESL retard who can't even understand the broken google translated English and is just making up the details as he imagines them. OP and this guy are both retarded.

>>58409541
blud is crashing out because he can't take the time to not be spoonfed

>>58409797
blud is crashing out because no one believes his fake leak

>>58409202
They got in early owning a fraction of TPC itself after developing the initial games, giving themselves preferential treatment and free reign on all further titles no matter how much they're in over their heads.

>>58409103
>Their restructure will probably lead to the games from Gen 10 onwards feeling different than the games from S/M - S/V
Anyone who actually believes this is a sucker. It already took them this long just to begin to fix a problem they've known about since XY. Nothing will actually change with the games anytime soon, or probably ever as long as the games, cards and merch all keep selling.

>>58409619
BDSP is co-director with the external team, and LGPE is also demake, so whatever.
NTA

>>58409905
>D-D-DOESN'T COUNT
ok

>>58409904
feeling different =/= feeling better

>>58409907
Pedantry is a virtue

>>58409930
it truly is, it helps shit on retards inventing fanfics

How many times do you want to keep doing this back and forth? You point at remakes, people point out no one cares about remakes, and you do this again.

>HE ISN'T DIRECTING GAMES ANYMORE!!
>he is though
>THOSE DON'T COUNT PLEASE BELIEVE MY FANFIC!!!!

>>58409797
go back to the trooncord you got your “translation” from.
if you really want attention, share this with reddit instead.

Fake.
The Japanese is very informal, it's not a corporate document but masquerades as one. Also try to think of what possible context someone would have to save this document on their corporate PC, especially when it's defamatory to people who are still working very high up in the org.

>>58409904
Maybe maybe not. Different doesn't mean better. But things will change

>>58409372
>I wonder why Unno struggled in the director role?
He was tasked with making a miracle and the impossible happen: make Unova good.

Of course he'd end up feeling way in over his head.

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>>58410196
Well, it is a Powerpoint presentation in a "development manager 2" space in their Confluence. The page and pptx have been created by ohmori. Do what you want with that info.

>>58409124
>>58409169
BTFO >>58411218

>>58409728
>he Ultra games to become the highest selling 3rd versions aside from Pokemon Yellow,
Isn't that because they're the only dual "third" versions?

>>58411233
I don't know what to do with that statement, but the dump is available in the Confluence dump in the gofile upload. I've started a quick new Confluence instance with docker, restored spaces with given dumps and looked into most of the pages. That's where I found that said "pdf" that Centro posted.

>>58409096
Finally I can learn all the drama there is happening in GF.

Japanese companies are so prideful so they are very secretive of their dirty.

>>58409142
Wait, so dexit was TPC's idea, not Gamefreak's?

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>>58411270
btw, that page was created by Ohmori to clear up the past of managers and directors and his position, combined with his opinion about certain people and decisions. That's what the whacky in-browser translation shows

>>58409103
>Game Freak say they have more power over the creative direction of the franchise than The Pokemon Company
This was always the case, the only ones who thought different were the doomposting retards malding because Game Freak stopped caring about them when they got old enough to work a weekend job. Granted, that's the vast majority of /vp/ but everyone who dug deep enough (or read interviews with Game Freak staffers) knew Game Freak were head of the table and always had been.

>>58412453
No, the narrative that TPC had all the power has always come from either Game Freak simps or Nintendo fanboys trying to deflect criticism away from their favorite corporations. It was always retarded since TPC has always just been a joint venture of Game Freak, Nintendo and Creatures.

>>58412495
No, it came from doomposters, who swore up and down that TPC were "forcing" Game Freak to do these things, that they'd lost the soul of it because they were slave-driven and all other kinds of made up bullshit, because the crux of the matter was they weren't marketed to, weren't considered and were impotently furious over the whole situation. So wrote fan fiction where their "heroes" were actually not an active and willing participant in ignoring everyone over the age of 10 as irrelevant to marketing their toys, card games, plushes and movie tickets to.

>>58409376
Those are hardcore POKEMON players. Gamefreak is talking about targeting adults and teens that play single player experiences.

>>58409124
Why does this PDF makes you seethe so much?