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>>58410427
Smartest doomposter when presented with the challenge of reading

>>58410415
It's good that GameFreak is ambitious, it shows some of those fucks still want to inject soul into the franchise, the problem is that because deep down they all know Pokemon will still sell at minimum 15 million copies per game no matter how shitty or content-lacking it is, they don't feel pressured to learn how to actually get better at developing games, and they've literally never been required to.
Nintendo doesn't care to bail them out because the money maker is still making money, Masuda was deliberately sabotaging them ever since he had a meltie over Americans not liking the DS era and gave a final "fuck you" with BDSP until he was finally strongarmed into TPC where he could stop fucking with GameFreak, and GameFreak themselves are too full of nippon pride to ever accept that they need to seek help in order to get their shit together, because just like Nintendo, they have no real incentive to as long as Pokemon remains lucrative.

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>>58410415
>We literally have multiple documents talking about how Game Freak wants to push the series forward and make an experience the fans will enjoy
Well, I don't really have that much faith. They have yet to WOW me since, what was it again, XY on account of being the first step into 3D proper and having online features that weren't pisswater locked behind a sealed freezer? They've made plans to release Generation ELEVEN in 2030, and you expect me to give them faith? After all this time?

>>58410415
Half of the Pokémon audience just wants the same shit they’ve been served for years and years
>There have to be 8 gyms
>and a Victory road
>where you can find the pseudo legendary
>and there has to be a champion
>and there have to be two box legends
>and an evil team
> and a third box legend for the third game/dlc
>and a legendary trio
>and a Pokémon professor
>and three starters that at this point are just three animals painted in RGB
>and a rival
>and a regional rodent that evolves once
>and a regional bird that evolves two times
And so on. It’s all so painfully formulaic. And when you change anything about this formula then their autism triggers. It’s why you can’t do anything interesting with Pokémon and why they shove all the radical changes into the Legends line.

>>58410491
It's called planning genius. All companies do it. You weren't even supposed to know. Planning 5-7 years ahead is completely normal in this landscape.

>>58410415
Why the fuck are the graphics PS1 tier?

>>58410415
>We literally have multiple documents talking about how Game Freak wants to push the series forward
When a studio lies to their customers over and over again, they deserve to lose all benefit of the doubt. Remember when USUM was supposed to have Ultra Changes? Remember when they charged a subscription fee for Bank under the false pretense that it would keep the national dex going? Remember when the games were supposed to have visual improvements from now on to make up for the dex cut? I don't care what GF says they want to do because they've already proven several times over that their word means nothing. Even if they're serious this time, they also don't have the competence to make it happen or the market incentives to see it through.

>>58410415
it's earned pessimism. they can say anything they want, but when they constantly underdeliver i'm not going to just stop being pessimistic. show me something good, then i'll change my tune. until then, i'm just going to keep assuming that they're half-assing things.

>>58410415
because the docs revealed that they're an internal mess and have been for over a decade, which they've been unable to fix in that time?

>>58410525
...and the other mediocre titles they've released somehow weren't planned? I think you misunderstand, I *do not* have faith in Gamefreak accomplishing the goals they're tossing out there within the next decade.

>>58410491
>They've made plans to release Generation ELEVEN in 2030, and you expect me to give them faith? After all this time?
You mean something we would've already been able to assume with or without this leak, because we've thoroughly established from pattern recognition that Pokemon will release a new generation every 3 or 4 years, no exceptions, and they strategically map out those years to ensure a step falls perfectly into place with a major anniversary milestone of Red and Green? (DP were obviously meant to be 10th anniversary titles from the very start, SM literally cut into Gen 6 development because they wanted to prioritize 20th anniversary, now we have Gen 10 to for 30th anniversary, Gen 13-14 will likely be 40th anniversary, etc...)

>>58410415
>Why is everyone so fucking pessimistic here?
Because Pokemon was good from 1998 through 2012 and bad from 2013 through 2025. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me every installment for 12 years shame on me. I still hold out hope that we'll get a good game, as the games from that first block, especially the end of it are all 10/10s, so in that regards it's almost like I'm a beaten housewife coming back, but I am very pessimistic nothing will change.

>>58410531
Okay but these are INTERNAL documents. You act like this was a public statement they put out. We were never supposed to see this, these were things they were discussing AMONGST THEMSELVES. Please give me one good reason why they would LIE to THEMSELVES?

>>58410514
And yet even with an easy formula, Game Freak still finds new, unique ways to fuck it up. There's no reason they can't just do what Square did with Bravely Default. Have a dedicated B Team that just does by-the-book standard, budget RPGs and then they could fuck off the blow money on their big budget games no one likes and don't sell.

>>58410563
If you don't think anything the franchise has put out in the past 12 years is good then you should probably just leave, it is no longer for you at this point and it's okay. Game Freak is changing and innovating with the games, and it's unlikely they'll return to how they used to be. You don't have to like it, but you don't have to put up with it either. I'm genuinely concerned for most of you because this constant amount of negativity can't be fun to have. I'd rather you guys just play Digimon or something.

>>58410571
>this is going to be the year I lose weight
>I'm going to work out and eat right and get plenty of sleep
>for real this time
They aren't lying to themselves, they're just incapable of fixing themselves; that's the problem.

>>58410415
>Why is everyone so fucking pessimistic here?
Anon, people have been waiting for things "to be good again" for over a decade now.
People have gone to college, graduated, gotten jobs, married, and had kids in this time period.
There's kids who all they know is Switch-era games and don't know about the "good times".
J-Just wait for next generation/next console! GF just has to get used to it first! has been a eternal mantra ever since XY.
It's been over a decade of waiting. And nothing. Arguably things have gotten even worse.
Time is finite. People can't wait forever. You're essentially telling people to be "positive" because they will be able to play a good Pokemon game again when they're in their fifties. When them becoming grandparents is a genuinely possibility. Do you not realize how silly this sounds?
>and you still choose to view them in the most bad faith way possible and interpret everything they do with negativity. Why? Do you feel better about yourself assuming the worst of other people
Yes, that's what happens based on the experiences until now. If someone stabs you in the back time and time and time again the most logical thing to believe is to think that next time they will stab you in the back once more. Not to give them your trust.
Our current opinions are based on previous experiences. Why would anyone give good faith based on the previous experiences?
> If you hate Pokemon so much, you don't have to consume it, you can just leave. Pokemon won't die no matter what so if you're that upset just quit while you're ahead.
See, the problem with this argument is how, ironically enough, it is made in bad faith.
People don't hate the current state of Pokemon because they hate Pokemon. They hate the current state of Pokemon because they like Pokemon and would like it to be good again.
If they wouldn't like it they wouldn't be this disappointed.

>>58410607
It's a nippon pride problem, many companies that are too big to fail and churn out shit products act like this because admitting they need help until they're so low down that they literally have no other choice is a show of shameful weakness.
Unless their incompetence directly cuts into sales and puts them into the danger zone, they have no incentive to actually get better, all the speech about improvement is literally just generic morale shit rather than an actual initiative.

STOP TYPING SO MANY WORDS

>>58410571
It doesn't matter. They have a track record of being full of shit regardless.
Their own internal documents show that they admitted they had a problem with their management structure all the way back during XY's development but still didn't do shit to fix it until right now. Even with a problem that directly affected them, they were too fucking lazy to fix it for at least 12-13 years, so why should I expect them to care what we think? Especially when the current slop already outsells the games they put effort into.

>>58410626
Ask ChatGPT to read it for you, zoomie.

>>58410622
Alright, even if all that is true, how is being a doomer about it constructive at all? You're not gonna suddenly solve all Game Freak's problems by continuously spouting how much you hate Pokemon games and their direction. If you truly think it's not worth the wait, then as I said, just leave. I personally think Game Freak has ambition and can make enjoyable experiences, but I'm aware not everyone shares that opinion and that's okay, I won't try to convince them otherwise.

>>58410415
Because Game freak is full of lazy pedos and the fandom is full of retarded pedos,

>>58410664
>why can't i have an echo chamber where everyone blindly praises [corporation] for [product]
sounds like reddit.com might be more your speed chief

>>58410415
i cant even be bothered to make fun of you. that really says it all.

>>58410664
>Alright, even if all that is true, how is being a doomer about it constructive at all? You're not gonna suddenly solve all Game Freak's problems by continuously spouting how much you hate Pokemon games and their direction
Are people not allowed to vent and let it out?
This is not doomerism. Calling it like that shows how much in bad faith your argument is because even you are admitting there's heavy issues right now.
This is an anonymous taiwanese basket weaving forum.

>If you truly think it's not worth the wait, then as I said, just leave.
That's certainly true, but I shouldn't have to say that that's much easier said than done.

>but I'm aware not everyone shares that opinion and that's okay, I won't try to convince them otherwise.
That's exactly what you're trying to do though.
You obviously don't think it is okay, otherwise this thread wouldn't exist. Even worse actually, since you're trying to shame people for thinking as such.

You could have framed this thread about how maybe there's a light at the end of the tunnel, that maybe this time for sure for reals, try to cheer up people up. People would have been a lot more receptive about it, but you did not do that, and you know it. Don't try to pretend otherwise now.

i'll stop being pessimistic as soon as the product improves (it won't because you shit eating retards keep buying it)

>>58410719
>(it won't because you shit eating retards keep buying it)
The entirety of Japan posts on /vp/? Because that's the crux of the issue here, Pokemon is a multimedia beast who profits because of its other media and sheer weight as a juggernaut of the east.

>>58410684
>>58410706
It's not about being an echo chamber or preventing venting, but my thread was initially about Game Freak as a whole. The documents show they're genuinely trying, they're not just shitting out games cause they know they'll sell anyway as some people put it. The games are running well now and a lot of stuff looks promising, I just don't understand why people are acting like these leaks means that Game Freak is actually lazy and hates us and wants the fans to suffer etc. When they show the exact opposite.

>>58410752
>The documents show they're genuinely trying
The games show they're not.

>>58410415
>push the series forward
they are going backwards

>>58410752
We’ve seen the beta versions of almost everything from the teraleak. What makes it into the game is often a watered down and unfinished version of those ideas. Maybe it’s not for lack of trying, but something has to change.

>>58410787
The games are only the result of having to rush to meet deadlines

>>58410415
> Do you feel better about yourself assuming the worst of other people?
Unironically yes

>>58410752
they are lazy and they do hate us, the sooner you get this through your head the sooner we can get good games again

>>58410514
No one cares about a pseudo being in VR as that’s only happened twice. One of those is Gabite (long after you have access to Gible in Wayward Cave) and the other is Dino which people always complain about being super late to get and evolve.

>>58410752
>The documents show they're genuinely trying
And the thing is that it's not showing.
Results matter more than intentions.
>The games are running well now
Anon, this shouldn't have to be something to be praised. This is the absolute bare minimum. It shouldn't even merit a mention.
And the games are still not running well, because SV needed to be on Switch 2 to run well despite being a Switch 1 game. It took a next generation console for a game of the previous generation to run at a normal level.
All the Switch games chugged. All the 3DS games chugged. And all of them were sub-standard in terms of how they pushed the console.
That's not normal at all. Not a single 3D Pokemon game made by GF ran normally.
>>and a lot of stuff looks promising
We saw a lot of stuff that looked promising on basically every 3D gen from the leaks. How many of them did deliver on the promise?
>I just don't understand why people are acting like these leaks means that Game Freak is actually lazy and hates us and wants the fans to suffer etc. When they show the exact opposite.
Whatever the reason it may be, could be laziness, could be incompetency, maybe they're genuinely trying, the results are not showing, and whatever is happening behind the scenes, they results are not showing and the pipeline is not getting fixed no matter what.
At the end of the day we're just costumers, we can only truly judge from what we're being given. Once again, good intentions mean nothing without hard cold results proving and turning such intentions into reality. And after a decade of waiting for results, I cannot blame anyone for being jaded and having zero hopes and expectations anymore.

>>58410797
No they aren't. Legends ZA was literally delayed for an entire year and it's still the same old garbage as always. You could give GF 20 years to make a game and it would still be the same slop in the end.
Game Freak has no real leaders in charge, incompetent developers, and an audience who actively wants bad games instead of good ones. You are insane if you expect anything better than the status quo under these circumstances.

>>58410752
i don't give a rat's ass if they're trying. every fucking game dev tries. even chink gachaslop devs try.
the results show they're failing.

>>58410860
LZA wasn't delayed intentionally, it was delayed because the Switch 2 itself was delayed. And when that happened, the game was basically already near-finished, so they did their usual final rounds of testing and then immediately moved on to wrapping up development for Mega Dimension and Gen 10 in order to THEN shift gears towards Gen 10 DLC and Legends: Galar while they started moving into the in-depth planning stages for other projects.

>>58410860
The reviews disagree with that

>>58410886
>LZA wasn't delayed intentionally
So? They were still given a whole extra year to polish the game and guess what, it's still trash. If they're such victims of Pokemon's schedule, why are most of their non-Pokemon games also shovelware?
Bottom line is, we've heard all the same excuses you're making before over the last 12 years while the games continue to spiral into newer and more hilarious levels of shit. You're not going to change anyone's mind. Only an actually good game will do that.

>>58410937
Why polish a game that's already guaranteed to sell 15 million units when you can instead stay on top of your roadmap and ensure all of those other games that are guaranteed to sell 15 million units are just as ready for planned launch?

>>58410948
And with that, you're conceding that Ohmori is full of shit and nothing's actually going to change. Hopefully you understand now why real fans are so pessimistic.

>>58410967
Of course. I'm not acting like GameFreak's actually going to try, I fully understand that all internal speeches about "doing better" are purely for company morale rather than genuine initiative.
Because of Nippon Pride, GameFreak can't actually admit to anyone else that they need a helping hand or else it looks like a shameful display on their part, so until the games stop profiting (never, because Pokemon is a franchise that sells off of brand recognition alone), GameFreak has no incentive to improve itself.

>>58410415
Everyone can have good intentions, don’t clap until after they’ve done the work to make it reality. This goes for everything btw, don’t congratulate yourself for good ideas and intentions until you actually do something about it. Allowing yourself to feel the mental/emotional rewards of a good job without actually doing one is how shit never gets done and dreams are never realized

That said, yeah this is a board of a specific subject where something is needed to keep discussion hot. You either find new ways to tear something down, or new ways to add to it. Guess which one is easier and becomes an addictive mindset for people entrenched in it for years, even when presented with new things?

Also I’m sorry but these are dumb kid’s games with weak mental, emotional, and sexual stimulus. People with adult brains are going to get bored and irritated whether they admit it or not.

>>58410415
> Game Freak wants to push the series forward and make an experience the fans will enjoy and you still choose to view them in the most bad faith way possible and interpret everything they do with negativity. Why?

Because we’ve played the games

>>58410415
I'll give you a good faith response instead of shitposting.

You are right to be honest. I ended up leaving the franchise around SwSh era because I hated the direction of the games. Got back in 2 years ago after playing PLA and then SV and enjoying both. But it was hard for me to accept moving on from the series. Even the 3 years I spent away from the games felt like an eternity, being a lifelong fan of the series.

>>58410415
Effort and good intentions meaningless without results.
Everyone can say, not many can do.

>>58410415
>how Game Freak wants to push the series forward
wanting to push the series forward != pushing the series forward
i don't want to doompost about it either, i like the concept of pokemon and want to see it improve, but i can only say "it's a step in the right direction" so many times before asking when we're going to get to the right destination

>>58410514
if I wanted something different I'd play a different game

>>58410514
Holy soul

>>58410602
>Game Freak is changing and innovating with the games, and it's unlikely they'll return to how they used to be.
Yeah, they're going in a bad direction

>>58410752
>Leave the billion dollar company alone!

>>58410899
**paid