Mega or G-Max?
>>58415956I like a bit of both honestly, hate G-max as a gimmick but the designs are cool
>>58415956mega all the way, dynamax/gmax is a retarded and disruptive concept in the franchise
>>58415956Lapras is a cruise ship, how does that work without making it fuckhuge?
>>58415956The concept of g-max is cool and I like alot of the designs but it has handled poorly. They were way too big and balance-wise it was a trainwreck. Megas were more balanced and have more designs I like by virtue of just having more designs in general.I think a cool thing gamefreak could do is unify them into a single power up mechanic. Think pokken tournament's burst where the pokemon becomes mega if it has one or just gets a power up if it doesn't. The megas are more of a cosmetic change. Just put that in the game and add gigantimax forms in the same way, scaled down to a more reasonable size so the camera doesn't shit itself. Nerf the power of both to a more reasonable level and maybe tie it to a desperation mechanic so you can't just shit out a mega and sweep and it works more as a kino comeback mechanic.
>>58416090I thought its back turned into a music box/musical instrument, because the sheet music floating around it and it has Sparkling Aria, Hyper Voice, Perish Song, and Sing.
>>58416154Maybe that too, but it's also the OG water transport pokemon and all the ridges look like decks of the biggest water transport irl
>>58415956>The gmax forms that can work as megas look lame >The megas that can work as gmax forms look cool as fuck What did OP meant with this?
>>58415956considering a GMax dragonite was apparently planned at one point, there is a genuine possibility that Mega Dragonite was reworked from it
>>58416228Seems Bulbapedo is mixed on Cruise Ship or Ocarina/Music Box, but Blastoise is right there as a gen 1 water type with a shell and it's based on a battleship, so I just interpreted Blastoise as that rep.
>>58415956I like bothBut g-max Charizard mogs the megas any day
>>58416139>Megas were more balancedAre you serious
>>58415956The only top one that is probably right is Machamp, and it's also part of the reason I'm not thrilled that Incineroar is likely getting a G-Max in a few years. Humanoid forms can certainly work, but Machamp doesn't have much that feels truly giant over just being more powerful. The only real interesting part specific to the mechanic is the swirls around its belt.
>>58416305Gigantamax incineroar is just a cinderace situation they just give it a giant fucking chair or fire
Mega Machamp is gonna have 6 arms. Mark my fucking words.
>>58416327Machamp is such an uninteresting pokemon that a mega form could only go in two ways >Gets more arms >His legs turns into arms
I love the gmax Galar starters.Gmax Inteleon is one of the densest but still good designs out there where you can't immediately tell what's going on but will appreciate it once you do.>Baseline has watergun gimmick>Gmax is holding a white sniper>Gmax is using its own tail as a platform to sniper fromAlso Gmax Cinderace looks like she's from an 80s metal album cover and I love that.
>>58416305>>58416326>G-Incineroar>he's just fire Bane
>>58416353>she
>>58416327>>58416347>Machamps 4 arms fuse back into 2 realy muscular ones
>>58416359All my pokémon are female
>>58416368That'd actually be pretty cool, and he's like locking together the fingers of both arms into one super fist or something.>>58416347Or maybe he'll get like arms on his arms that bend out like the mantis arms things from Cyberpunk.
>>58416269Mechanically yes. They require a hold item and still have to use normal move. There were broken megas of course, but the mega concept on it's own has at least some downsides compared to dynamax, which is a straight upgrade that you can shit out at will at no cost and give anything free setup.
>>58415956Now that I look at G-Max designs they weren't awfully silly like a good bunch of the megas we've gotten in ZA and expanded on the original design in some way. It's like they decided Mega Manectric as the basis for what Megas should be like when they worked on ZA
>>58416496Hard to say. In past titles megas didn't used to be silly, so it's just as likely if they had made more gmax forms instead of megas for za that they'd still be goofy. Mega victreebel could be a gmax with zero changes.
>>58416565Victribell's main issue is his retarded face and Gigas edgy gloeing eye design would fix it.Core idea of it eating too much and being a bloat sack isn't even that bad
>>58415956We'll have to wait for the next Galar game to make a judgment.There are currently too few gmax forms.
>>58416401So they were not balanced, got it
>>58416496Can’t believe they found a way to make Copperajah even uglier
>>58416571The eyes are the same as normal bel. It's the mouth that's the problem.>>58416575I said they were more balanced than dynamax, not that they were balanced. just like saying magma is colder than the sun doesn't mean magma is cold.
>>58415956They'd only work if they are X or Y shaped.
>>58416305Gmax Kingler could definitely pass as a Mega — real life spider crabs can be large, sure, but when other Gmaxes are based on things like battleships and skyscrapers, I think this one can work as a normal Mega
I want >>58416327 (which seems to fit the older design philosophy like Mega Metagross), but I know now it would be >>58416368
>>58416496Gmax designs were pretty great, but the mechanic was garbage and I hate that some forms are locked to a kaiju gimmick (and the red aura is ugly)
>>58416649>Kantomon it's going to be a shitty mememon slop mega like starmie victreebel and fagonite
>>58416659I’m picturing two arms so huge it walks about on them like Doc Ock while the tiny body like hangs in the air — which, in Gamefreak’s eyes is perfect, since it’s a callback to previous evos (two arms) and can make everyone laugh at the whole “Machamp and Golem swapped DNA when traded theory” since Mega Machamp looks like Geodude too
>>58416664>since Mega Machamp looks like GeodudeActually kino
>>58415956GMax >> ZA Megas
I fucking love gmax kingler, and I'm really sad that it got wasted as a niche form that barely does anything unique and will never be used
I love this ABSOLUTE UNIT
>>58416575Illiterate kun strikes again
>>58416253>Seems Bulbapedo is mixed on Cruise Ship or Ocarina/Music BoxI can easily be both, what pokemon has ever just been one thing
>>58416664>Mega Machamp’s arms get so big and muscular it uses them to move around and doesn’t need its legsunironically sounds like a great design
>>58416881Making her a battleship is pretty kino yeah
>>58416901Yeah, someone make this
>>58416881Pokemon has one cool Digimon-tier design per generation.
Does anyone feel like Mega Froslass is basically Yuki-onna (Froslass) + Taka-onna (Tall woman)?
>>58415956gmax. People just hate it because the mechanic is stupidly op compared to other gimmicks.
>>58416677>>58416901Gamefreak hire me
>>58417551Fighting/Fire? I want to see other Gmax as Megas
>>58415956the only way Mega Froslass would be better is if she had a penisthe rest i could give or take
>>58418117If you just isolate the model without the red tint, shadows, and shit clouds, they look a lot better
>>58418166Worst Mega. Worse than Feraligatr. Worse than Pyroar.
>>58415956G-Maxxes sucked full stop
>>58416496They stole their evolutions because of that shitty Gigamax trick.
>>58419137Duraladon is proof G-Max doesn't cuck you of cross gen evolutions
>>58416269>more balancedUnless you're esl/retarded, you should clearly understand this is comparative. They didn't claim Megas were balanced, just that Dynamax comparatively is way more broken, which it objectively is.
>>58419137Uhh one of those is already a three stage
At least Megas aren't as blatantly KANTOOOOO compared to Gmax
>>58415956GMaxes easily, Mega Feraligatr brings down ZA Megas all by itself
>>58419223???
>>58415956Gimmick free! Natural is best no additives !
>>58419223>aren't as blatantly KANTOOOOO>X/Y had megas for Kanto starters in addition to a lot of Kanto mons>Charizard, Mewtwo and Raichu get 2 mega forms each (Kanto mons)Im not sure about that one chief
>>58419275>A lot of gen 1 pokemon had megas, but there were plenty of non-kanto mons that got megas as well>With one exception, the only non-new pokemon that got g-maxs were gen 1Everything about gen 8 was so shameless. We didn't even get a Galar anime in favor of more Kanto
>>58419332erm Melmetal
>>58419345Oh whoops guess I forgot about the least accessible pokemon in the entire series there goes my whole argument!
>>58418194Yes, the red glow really cheapens them
>>58419332>With one exception, the only non-new pokemon that got g-maxs were gen 1Melmetal and Garbador exist>We didn't even get a Galar anime in favor of more KantoNice try, but that wasn't a Kanto anime, it was every region. Also I don't know why you're trying to spin it as Kanto shafted Galar when the majority of the G-Max pokemon are from Gen 8.You may have had a point of they gave Kanto mons 2 gmax forms. Giving Kanto mons 2 Mega forms is blatant favoritism and breaks the mold for the gimmick form.
>>58419275Including ORAS would add 13 to Other Megas and only 3 to KantoGalar and GMaxxes were far worse
>>58419345The first games it was allowed to be transfered in to are SS and Let's Go (which share an engine), and one of those titles is Kanto based. They even lump it in with Galar Pokemon when it comes to polls rather than with the late comer Alola Pokemon from USUM. Where else is Melmetal from, real life because it's in Go? That's like saying Munchlax and Bonsly aren't Gen 4 Pokemon because they're in Gale of Darkness.
>>58419420whoops coalossal shouldn't be in kanto the tiermaker I used has it in with the kantos for some reason
>>58419153Didn't Eevee, Meowth and Pikachu already proved it when the mechanic debuted?
>>58419420They showed the current region mons more love with the new gimmick in Galar than XY did with their mons, but yeah too much Kanto should have spread it out more.
>>58419428GO says unknown region, but its first mainline appearance was Let's Go which is a gen 7 game>>58419452Yeah but he said it robbed them of evolutions and those already have evolutions
>>58419428Let's Go is a gen 7 game. Melmetal is Gen 7.
>>58419455They said in interviews that they didn't want to give the newest mons megas because designing with a mega in mind might make the base form feel incomplete in design.And they were right to do so. Galar's mons fucking suck.
>>58419420So what this clearly shows is the majority of Mega mons are from Kanto. The majority of G-Max mons are from Galar.
>>58419499? post elo
>>58416090Pretty simple, just don't make it fuckhuge? Did you consider that? Just because it's based on something big doesn't mean they need to match its size.
>beedrill gets a mega that actually makes jt pretty good>butterfree gets a mememax that doesn't help it at allButterfree was robbed
>>58420688Beedrill is a dogshit mega. Anyway megas are better conceptually and lorewise, but their designs are fucking awful. Fire the fucking artists.
>>58415956Design-wise? I do prefer G-Maxs, but the issues come from their execution in SwSh. The battles are fun, but they're few and far between, not leaving a lasting impact during a whole playthrough and then some. Meanwhile in XY, Megas are always available at any time during a battle and the game's story constantly reminds about Megas. Also, some of the G-Max forms feel more like a third evolution that you barely interact with (Drednaw and Sandaconda). Heck, Duraludon was freed from that jail with Archaludon, making his G-Max form null and void. Also also>pic related didn't get one, even if it screams one
>>58420688Should have asked for abetter move. If he got bug version of Volcalith he'd be playable
>>58415956I call Gigas tbf
>>58419455Based Galar
>>58418256Pyroar lost to Incineroar btw
>>58419069I need one Pokemon game or anime episode where illegal methods are actually tried
>>58415956The only real example I can think of is G-Cinderace, most artists treat the bunny more like a Mega.
>>58421322
>>58421322Because the bunny is the same size as normal mon, te ball gets huge
>>58420688>Beedrill gets a mega that is outright inferior to other megas and never gets used>Butterfree gets a gigantamax that is usually not the right play but still worth including if you're running butterfree for sleep supportNah Butterfree won
>>58416401The problem I think is there seems to be two different philosophies on balance talking past each otherPeople who like Dynamax say Megas are more unbalanced because they centralize team building around a handful of core PokemonPeople who like Megas say Dynamax is unbalanced because Dynamaxed Pokemon are too powerful compared to unDynamaxed
>>58416327>>58416347>>58416368>>58416649>>58416379mega machamp should instead>make his skin all red>have his speedo turn into a pattern that looks like a pair of ripped shorts that goes down mid-thigh>make his head crests really tall, kinda like the gmax did, I would personally prefer taller though>red eyes>grow a tail like Machop had>gains Fire-type>ability: Pure Power>Stats: +70 Attack, +15 Def, +15 SDef, which makes >90/200/95/65/100/55>yes, 200 attack with pure powerWith the obvious conclusion being ludicrous damage, absolutely bananas damage, make him a furious raging hulked-out flaming monster of a fighter. I've wanted something along these lines since we knew how megas worked in gen 6.
>>58421481>>yes, 200 attack with pure powerwhat could switch into a megachamp cc or fire punch? Anything?
>>58422181jellicent, tentacruel, chandelure, moltres, etc, plenty
>>58421322Cute Boyfriends
>>58421322>>58423222reminds me of that one theobrobine animation
>>58423222Badass art
>>58421335Wife
>>58415956G-Max was better in my book because any pokemon could do it. You don't have to have a certain pokemon to G-Max.
>>58415956Megas dont radically change the base design like GMaxes do so no
>>58416253>Dex entries>The fact that it is humungous as shitGee, I wonder.
>>58424372uh, only certain pokemon species could gigantimax, actually.
>>58420688>>beedrill gets a mega that actually makes jt pretty good Mega beedrill is literally the WOST mega competitively what the fuck are you even talking about? please learn to bait better retard
>>58424597>Mega beedrill is literally the WOST mega competitivelynigga mega beedrill has always been better than shit like mega camerupt, mega audino, and mega glalie, are you fucking retarded?
>>58416139>I think a cool thing gamefreak could do is unify them into a single power up mechanic.I agree, but they'd never do that to their KANTOOOOOO favorites Gengar and Charizard.
>>58424597>mega beedrill>UU>mega slowbro>RUBL>mega blastoise>RU>mega sceptile>RU>mega camerupt>NUBL>mega abomasnow>NU
>>58424661>>58424702>Smogonfaggotry Concession accepted
>>58424719uh huh so you can produce the equivalent viability rankings for doubleshit then to prove your point, right?
>>58424719oh look here's megabeedrill at 2018 VGCyoutube.com/watch?v=SLkfu9OVc80Got anything for mega audino?
>>58424811>oh look here's megabeedrill at 2018 VGC Where? i don't see it here
>>58424860>if a pokemon isn't used on one of exactly 8 teams it's completely unusable and worse than any of its peers>please ignore that many of its peers I'm claiming it's worse than are also not representedThere are literally only 4 megas shown there. There were, what, over 40 at the time? Why does this make beedrill the worst mega by not being included in the top 4?
>>58424898>>if a pokemon isn't used on one of exactly 8 teams it's completely unusable and worse than any of its peers if it wasn't garbage then it would be here
>ITT
>>58424907you're illiterate>It's the worst mega. Here's my proof: It's not listed among the top 4 best megas.What about the rest of the megas? Where's your proof it's worse than ALL of the remaining megas? Because so far you've provided no proof of that whatsoever. You said "it's not the best, therefore it's the worst", which is pre-K logic.
>>58424926>it's totally not garbage goys!! More like mega jobber lol
>>58424936oh so it's just been bait and trolling the whole time? lame.
>>58424954 There there beedrill it's okay to be a bad mega
>>58418194what the hell this is so pretty now.
>>58418194gmaxies were a mistake...
>>58425969WOAH MOMMAH!Gmax Lopunny when?
>>58422181these are the mons that resist fire/fighting coverage. I believe Stone Edge makes it perfect coverage though. But he's so slow, I can't imagine it would actually get him anywhere. It has Bullet Punch and I guess it could lower opponents' speed by using... Bulldoze and Scary Face... I guess... lmao... but otherwise it's a sitting duck. Can't even run a ramping Bulk Up set or anything cus it doesn't get Drain Punch. Lmao. Probably unironically UU, cus even if it's strong it's so easy to revenge kill and you can ALWAYS see it coming. Bullet Punch just isn't enough if you have an answer ready, even with 200 base attack and pure power.
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>>58423222My Bros
>>58427094Looks like it raids human villages
>>58416496garbodor having toy vehicles that grow with it to become real size is really neat
>>58426349>these are the monsuh, what mons?
>>58427122I dont like it. Would be better if he just had normal vehicles in him now that's he's a trash mountain
>>58427094I don't like the lines under her eyesMakes her look tired.
>>58416496>Now that I look at G-Max designs they weren't awfully silly like a good bunch of the megas we've gotten in ZA and expanded on the original design in some way. It's like they decided Mega Manectric as the basis for what Megas should be like when they worked on ZADuraludon, Appletun, Gengar, Copperajah, Alcremie and Kingler are in the picture, dude.
Be honest, they wouldn't do the weird experimental shit like they do with megas compared to gmaxes
>>58424597Mega Steelix is actually worse than Mega Beedrill which is a bit sad.
>>58419345Melmetal is a kantomon anon
>>58419406Melmetal is a kantomon.
>>58428906Is G-Max Gengar not weird experimental shit?
I know people love Mega and Z, I do too, but I really think tera if it were tuned down a little bit feels the most like an actual mechanic out of all of the gimmicks.
>>58429112They just copied Mega Gengar's special from Pokken
>>58429134What about the elephant? And Duraludon?
>>58429142Duraladon is just a skyscraper, I don't get what the big deal is, and Copperajah is normally a backhoe which is a quadruped machine, but its gigantamax is a duty cycle crane with its nose becoming a wrecking ball, and those are bipedal machines
>>58428906Holy Kino
>>58428906I mean thats why Gmaxes look way better than Megas in general
>>58428906Godzillamons are cool
