>PLA>brief tutorials>open areas>good luck figure it out>PL:ZA>TUTORIAL TUTORIAL TUTORIAL TUTORIAL>FORCED CUTSCENE FORCED CUTSCENE>DIALOGUE DIALOGUE DIALOGUE >DO NOT GO OFF THE PATH COME TO THE NEXT CUTSCENE -NOW-Holy shit what the fuck happened
Yeah like I just started playing it and it seems pretty exciting BUT THEY WONT SHUT UPI wanna get to try out these battles and all that but its just one thing after another
>>58424755Spoiler: the tutorial doesn't end
>>58424735First Japanese game? They're all like that.
>>58424735Yeah, the legend title is pure bait for ZA. It's just cinematic dross and linear as fuck
What's even worse is that there's STILL NO FUCKING VOICE ACTING. So every cutscene has them flapping their arms around, having sound effects applied to their movements like hand slapping and footsteps, but their mouths flap and it's fucking dead silent. It legitimately feels like they planned on voices but realized they had no more money left for it. They can't even do Zelda grunts and mumbles. Hell, they have their make up fucking written language - they could get away with Splatooning up a fake language or some shit probably. But that'd be too much work because Splatoon actually has linguistic theory behind its sounds so they don't actually sound like random noises but have a distinct rhythm and flow.
>>58425656Yeah its super jarring. If this wasn't the first time it happened I would think that the game bugged and just didn't play the voice lines, like a scratched PS1/2 disc would do, but the fact is once again there never were voices to play. Very immersion breaking presentation.
>>58425656>Hell, they have their make up fucking written languageAnd it's immersion breaking. Just have all the overworld text in French.
>>58425656Even Digimon has VA
>>58425656My favourite part is all the fade to blacks or fade to whites every time they have to represent an action that isn't part of the default animations set. Even things like handing the player an item just has fades because they're so fucking lazy they couldn't even be bothered to animate a simple animation.
>>58424735Sadly Legends isn't about catching pokemon and exploring, it's about trying out entirely new paradigm shifts while learning literally nothing from previous entries
>>58426225Late in the game, you have to climb a bunch of people standing on each others shoulders, and it just reuses the ladder animation. That's a point where I'd rather just see a fade to black because the player is just floating in air while climbing.
yup PLA is better and I'm playing it instead
I swear there has to be more dialogue in the tutorial than the entirely of Red and Blue on gameboy, what the fuck is this?
>>58424735>follow me teehee>go 5 steps right NO, FOLLOW MEI hate this, just take me to where so the cutscenes continue and we can get it over with. I hate the implied 'gameplay' games do to act like you're playing it.
>>58426225Or let's not forget them handing out items like Pokeballs. They have the balls already animated, right? WHY DON'T ADD ONE TO THE SCENES WHERE ONE IS HANDED OUT?!!?
>>58424735How much railroading bullshit do I have to put up with before I can get Paxton into a skirt?
>>58424785You do understand that both of the games being compared here are different as OP said, but also made by japanese people, yeah?
>>58424735PLA barely even has any content to tutorialize.
>>58424735Yeah this ZA tutorial is fucking ass
>>58424735https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/1o6gw1w/pokemon_legends_za_reviews_thread/>R*ddit and critics loves it>angry incels already refusing to like itReally makes me think..
>>58424735i dropped PLA because of the fucking 20 minute cutscenes between every mission is ZA really that much worse
>>58424735Its Pokemon, the singleplayer itself is a tutorial, the real game is the PvP.
>>58424735>Anon forgets Pokemon is for 5 year olds
>>58426244What the fuck, please post this
>>58427377ZA allows you to skip cutscenes.
>>58427366Do you think redditors and critics aren't incels
>>58427400I'm sure there are, but 4chan is a website of unstable nutjobs who can spend years seething about a game daily just because they insisted it would flop and it didnt.
>>58427366>critics loves it80 is pretty low for a Nintendo game
>>58426244Haha I saw that coming>surely they won't just use the regular ladder animation will they?>yep they do, just hands and feet floating kind of near the person you are climbing
>>58427413>game that came out a DAY ago>unstable nutjobs who can spend years seethingOkay
>>58427377>20 minsLol try 2 hours
>>58427455Lying fat shit
>>58424785No, they're not all like that.
>>58427460It literally is a 2 hour tutorial before you can explore freely, have you played the game? I didn't think so. I've finished it.
>>58427397You can skip cutscenes in PLA too and they are less long.
You can only explore freely when you exit the detective agency to do the sidequests, at that point you can ignore the cutscenes and endless dialogue and explore.
>>58427436I'm talking about other games, like RDR2 or Doom Eternal.The seething about Pokemon is way funnier because its people who both pretend they arent manchildren, but also unironically want to play Pokemon, and they just dont because they are buggy.
>>58424735That's a lie, PLA opening is also like an hour and a half or somethingBut I do feel like there was a lot less time wasting dialog in the game total. Then again I haven't played it in 3 years. PLZA gets really fucking obnoxious with it by the time you get skipped to rank F
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>>58424735Neither PLA nor ZA had tutorials wtf, they just skip to the part where you are given the Pokemon starter bag.
>>58427517most successful media franchise in the history of the human race btw
>>58424785Why does this, board have so many responses like this? Like intentionally ignoring criteria and context already established.OPs point of reference was ANOTHER JAPANESE GAME
It's made even worse by the fact that when an NPC infodumpes in PLA I was interested because it offered works building and perspective on previously unexplored period in the setting's history, even if it was super minor shit like what went in to building the first Pokemon ranch.In the new game, only like two of the NPCs have anything remotely interesting to say and one fucking dies.
>>58427559Not that it matters here.RDR2 has the most detailed open world ever made, graphics that most Triple A dont even match, excellent optimization and 4chan has been seething about it for 7 years non-stop.
>>58427517AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA
>>58424735It's not Kalos if the tutorial doesn't make you want to kill yourself, haha!
I hate Urbain so much>see something interesting you can get to>”Hey what are youd doing?!?”>sudden invisible wall
>>58425656They should steal Hollow Knight's notes and just make them babble gibberish every time there's a new dialogue line.
>>58424735>PLA>brief tutorials>good luck figure it outIt is not "good luck figure it out" fucking lol, Legends is front loaded just as bad with strict story tutorial that takes an hour to finally let you free
>>58424735>PLA>brief tutorials
>>58427517Firebomb Game Freak.
>>58427690PLAfags are honestly becoming the Pokemon equivalent of BOTW/TOTK or Persona 3 fanboys. In other words, schizos who lie about their game while secretly hoping you haven't played it to call them out on it, and are too fragile to handle the slightest criticism of it.
>>58424785I’m playing Dark Souls 3 and the tutorial was just little messages on the ground with standard enemy layouts, an optional miniboss, and a fun boss at the end of it that lasted for about 10 or so minutes, maybe less.
I thought PLA was good. As a spin-off. People who are asssblasted about it always seem to have expected it to be a mainline game.
>>58428045PLA was a $60 vertical slice of a mainline game that people only pretend was a spinoff to excuse all the features and content they removed. Calling it a spinoff is an insult to the real spinoffs like Mystery Dungeon, Ranger, Snap, etc. that were complete games with effort put into them.
>>58427690They let you explore the first area as much as you wantedYou cant go to any wild area other than 1 in the tutorial in ZA because they want you to catch HM slave Bunnelby but you're forced to catch 5 mons you dont even want
This game doesn't just railroad you, it actually rails you with the intro shit
>>58424735The more humans and civilization around, the more rules and boundaries.
>>58427397no it does not. it's just like SV. it has a "skip cutscenes button" but the only things it considers cutscenes are one scene at the start and another at the end of the game. for everything else you'll be mashing A.
>PLA>brief tutorialsIs this nigger serious?
>>58424735Arceus didn't completely reinvent the battle system to the extent LZA did.
>>58425656It was super jarring when Rose gave his intro speech in Sword/Shield, and it was just as jarring in this game's intro advert.
Arceus felt like they forgot to build the rest of the game ontop of the catching mechanic
Replayed PLA this year because I need another Manaphy. You’re a lying nigger.
>>58427517Bravo GF
>>58427619lmao tranny about itself
>>58424735The game is good if you aprpeciate it on its own terms, but them removing bait and generally simplifying the catching mechanics is really annoying ngl. Catching feels so much more shallow now
>>58424735You're misremembering or being disingenuous, PLA was also very tutorial-heavy. ZA has a bit more set dressing but in terms of actual tutorializing it's about the same.
>>58425758I hate that fake language, to me that’s when pokemon well and truly became shit
>>58424735This shit is annoying>I made new research!>can’t do said research because this useless faggot won’t stop holding my hand through the game
>>58427470He isn’t lying im at Emma’s detective agency and this mother fucker still won’t let me explore on my own.
>>58427425>8079*
>>58424735>>brief tutorialsdid we play the same game?
>>58430279>m at Emma’s detective agency and this mother fucker still won’t let me explore on my own.ur lying because when you get the 3 side missions is when the game lets you run anywhere, you can use that time to unlock fast travel points. once you finish the 3 side missions and turn them then the day/night cycle starts, alphas start appearing and the tutorial is essentially over
>>58429984Arceus is more fun for that.
>>58424735When they made PLA they were thinking "how do we make Pokemon more like breath of the wild"?With ZA they kinda fell back into their old bad habits and forgot.
>>58424735I was watching a review of ZA and I learnedThe game has no villainsAnd that explained a lot why the story felt so boring there was no fucking conflict or memorable bad guy
>>58430807ZA was them playing the Xenoblade X rerelease.
>>58424735One hell of a badly clunky game legends z a is. I'm glad I still have omega ruby.
>>58431076>FagbalionLmao get some taste
>>58424735Sinnoh lost, ZA is a gigantic success compared ot PLA
