>>58432613
What's the problem? It's faster, stronger AND bulkier too. Mega evolutions usually only help out in one or two areas, but all three like this? What more could you want?

>>58432613
Does it still get Workup?

>>58432638
nta but zero atk, more s.atk & speed, wryyyyyy

You know how minmax mentality is, lol

looks like pyroar is a fucking cuck.

>>58432613
>10+ years of power creep and the only thing Gamefreak thinks of is +20 across the board
I wonder if the one-a-battle restriction is going away.

Here's a +20 to everything and a stupid hair cut haha get fucked bitch

>>58432613
it'll be good in ZU

>>58432659
Not every mega evolution has to be good

>>58432670
Being good is the only value megas have

I always thought if Arceus got an epic form/mega/primal reversion it would get the +20 to everything treatment. I don't really understand what this serves for Pyroar since frankly 88 is not even very usable. I like the bulk but maybe the 20 in atk should have just been +5 extra to the rest for 86/88/97/134/91/131

>>58432723
*68 not 88 for the atk

>>58432613
What do you think it's ability is going to be? Competitive?

>2013: We created this notable character that looks like a new Pokemon! Of course he'll have the Pokemon that resembles him, but it understandably won't be his ace as it doesn't have access to the gimmick we also introduced with this game.
>2025:

>>58432613
genuinely don't know what ability could possibly save this thing
not only does it have no item but it also takes up a mega slot and those stats aren't even good by gen 9 standards

>>58432638
No one is using their mega slot and a mon's item slot for +20 special attack and +20 to speed on an offensive mon that needs to be significantly better at both to be worth picking for anything remotely challenging (not the campaign where literally anything is viable)

>>58432613
>126 speed
Still going to be decent

>>58432861
126 speed isn't bad, but there are far more mons with that speed tier and a comparable attacking stat that also don't require your team's 1 mega slot to use

>>58432916
Mega slots might work differently in Champions since Z-A allows you to Mega-Evolve multiple times but this is just conjecture from my part. Anyway, it's a fast/strong Fire-type with Earth Power and I think that has potential. Maybe UUBL if its ability isn't very good. Mega Camerupt was the only Fire-type Mega that wasn't absolutely great and Pyroar doesn't have the same issues.

>whe have reached the point where 129/126 offenses is considered
If it ever gets nasty plot it'll be scary

>>58432951
No it won't
There are pokemon with better typings and comparable stat lines that don't waste their item slots and don't use up a mega
Pyroar literally has all the same problems it used to have 20 points isn't changing that. This shit wouldn't be viable in gen 2 much less gen 9.
Only way to save it is if it gets a fucking absurdly busted custom ability

>>58432949
you know who else is a fire type with earth power? mega delphox, who happens to have 134 speed and 159 special attack.

>>58432951
It would be excellent if it weren't a Mega. As-is it competes for that slot against options that are flatly better.

Think of it like Reshiram and Zekrom. They're not weak. It is just that everything else in their category is superior.

>>58432951
129 special attack with no item and max evs hits as hard as 88 special attack with life orb and max evs.

>>58433014
Delphox doesn't learn Earth Power. It learns Scorching Sands however. It's a significant power drop though.

>>58432951
mega delphox gets nasty plot with 159/134. pyroar is just omega cucked.

>>58433101
>252 SpA Delphox-Mega Scorching Sands vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 89-105 (22 - 25.9%)
>252 SpA Pyroar Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 98-116 (24.2 - 28.7%)
it's barely stronger with earth power specifically, in exchange for being slower, having MUCH weaker stabs, and lacking access to fighting/ghost/electric/etc. coverage, nasty plot, and expanding force.

>>58433131
For record I don't think Mega Pyroar is better than Mega Delphox. Mega Delphox doesn't waste any stats like Pyroar does with the +20 attack boost (Phox could use removing 5 special defense and moving to speed to maximum meta potential though). I just think Mega Pyroar is fine, the only bad thing about it is just being above average all around instead being insane in one side. It's too early to complain about fixing it or not since we don't know abilities and we know these can be pretty crazy or underwhelming. It'll be an improvement to what Pyroar got anyway (valid to Delphox too).

>>58432638
based retard, this is probably what the gamefreak employees were thinking

>>58433217
it has no stats, no utility, no setup, barely any coverage, and a typing that does very little for it offensively or defensively. with how good the other fire-type megas are, there's no ability that could save it. drought, solar power, sheer force, all already spoken for.

>>58433063
Who the fuck runs life orb without sheer force in 2025?

>>58432638
That's the problem anon. It is better than base Pyroar, and in fact these stats are not bad at all. On any regular Pokemon these stats would be very solid. The problem is that it's not a regular Pokemon, it's a Mega. And on a Mega they are deeply underwhelming. Some Pokemon can work with a Mega that spreads points across all its stats, but those Pokemon can do that because the stats of their base form are already good. Metagross for example was already excellent, so a smaller boost to everything absolutely worked in its favour. Base Pyroar on the other hand, was painfully average, so it needed it's new stat points distributed much more efficiently to have any hope of being worth a team's Mega slot, and these numbers just don't cut it. Are they terrible? No, taken in a vacuum, these stats are perfectly serviceable, Mega Pyroar is a strong Pokemon. but it's not a strong Mega, which means the opportunity cost of using it is too high for it ever to be considered good.
Unless it gets a busted ability or something, in which case all bets are off.

>>58433390
i genuinely don't know what ability you could possibly give the thing that would make it worth picking
even if you went with something completely out of left field like supreme overlord it would still be awful

>>58432755
Drought or Special Moxie
It'll probably be awful in veggiesea, thoughbeit

>>58433432
drought would be stepping on zard's toes, it'll never happen.

>>58433375
a few
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/items/life-orb/
granted this does include every mon who uses a life orb in any analysis for any format but still quite a lot of offensive mons use it

>>58432638
pokemon these days are all minmaxed. look at ultra beasts, paradox pokemon, new legendaries. being a generic stats in all is pretty bad.
especially for pyroar who has an abysmal movepool for coverage too (its just fire, normal, dark and now ground)

it's already bad enough megas give worthless stats. like excadrill gaining +10 sp.atk for whatever reason??? when it has 160 atk. but in pyroars case of being extremely bad to begin with they didn't choose to fix it, not even decide it's identity between being physical or special

>>58433412
Well, let's see, what are some options?
Supreme Overlord would help, but only a bit.
Intimidate is always good, but there's no beating the other Fire-type cat with Intimidate, so that would be a complete waste.
Dazzling maybe? That wouldn't solve the offense problem, but could at least give it a support niche.
Solar Power is on the table, but then it would be in the same boat as Houndoom, you'd just never run it over Charizard Y.
Competitive would be mid, but anything helps.
Idk, doesn't make much sense but maybe an Arena Trap/Shadow Tag clone could work for it? Wouldn't be great, but being able to choose its opponents would at least let it get something done.

>>58433764
if anything's getting shadow tag it's gonna be mega chandelure.