>more special attack than a max special attack EV deoxys attack without any EVs and a 200BP move that hits everything and only steel resists, all you need is an item and surviving with half your HP (not that complicated given base Zygarde HP and bulk)what the fuck
>>58433832>temp forme to another temp forme a travesty
>>58433842Complete Zygarde is triggered at the end of the turn and megaevolution happens at the beginning before anything else can happen so in the practical sense these happen at same time, it's basically one single change, you just get down to 50% HP in one turn and the next one begins with you in mega form.
>200Wasn't only 100 like Core Enforcer? 200 seems crazy
>>58434075Nope, you can check it ingame, it's 200, the strongest dragon move ever, and without being cucked by fairies.
>>58434075It's 200 base power just like Light That Burns the Sky and other high base power Z-Moves. Apparently Zygarde absorbed Z-Power during Alola games and with his newfound Mega Evolution, he can use it an unlimited amount of times. I wonder how in the flying fuck this is going to work in Champions, he just megas and starts mindlessly nuking everything?
>>58434493They'll just ban the mon imo
>Swinub used Powder Snow!
>>58434731I don't know man, it's hard to use Powder Snow when you are fucking dead
Is there a chance they change it for Champions like making it a Blood Moon/Gigaton Hammer clone or a chargeup move?
>>58434791What if they make so it's a legit Z move? If Necrozma's Z-crystal can work like a megastone too then Zygarde's megastone can work lik a Z-crystal too. Althought I'm not sure how much of a nerf would be because yeah, it would be limited to one use, but it would also mean you get more space for other moves
>>58434720Maybe the stone outright banned most of the times or depending on the active Regulations/Seasons
>>58434731>>58434756i have a better ideahoge (Swinub) (M) @ Focus SashAbility: Snow CloakLevel: 1EVs: 36 SpDImpish Nature- Hail- Endeavor- Stealth Rock- Ice Shard
>>58434891Sorry, Zygarde learns Extreme Speed.
>>58434906In ZA? Because they removed that in gen8
>>58434918Yes, Galar failed to deliver as usual, but in every other gen Zygarde can use GOD Speed
Fun fact, just like the move is implied to be a pseudo Z-move Zygarde developed in its Alola trip the japanese name for Nihil Light is written in kanji like some Z-moves to give it that feeling of more complicated, serious business attack, the name is "Light that Returns to Nothing", which also sounds similar to Ultra Necrozma's move that is also obtained by changing forms, Light that Burns the Sky (or "Light that Scorches the Sky" in japanese). In spanish this Z-move connection is added by naming the move like the dragon type Z-move, Devastating Drake: The generic dragon Z-move is called Dracoaliento Devastador (Devastating Dracobreath) and Mega Zygarde's move is called Luz Devastadora (Devastating Light). Luz Devastadora is also similar to Luz Aniquiladora ("Annihilating Light") the spanish name for Floette's Light of Ruin move.So yeah Mega Zygarde is basically Zygarde's mega working like a pseudoUltra Burst with its own pseudoDragon type Z-move that uses life energy's power like Eternal Floette, whose power is like the Ultimate Weapon's
So is lore-wise Mega-Zygarde stronger than U Necrozma? Or the same?
>>58435259probably stronger, but who knows.
>>58433832
>>58435580>replying to OP with information already included in said postOkay?
>>58435610You have to get the snake form below 50% HP just to be able to use the move.
>>58435659Yeah, that's already mentioned in the OP, can't you read, nigger?
Seems super strong, but difficult to pull off in practice?You need to hold zygardite (losing item slot) + trigger complete form firstBefore you can start firing off this 200 BP move
>>58435259NEGROzma can't even use Z-moves more than once. Nobody can. Only the true Z can.
>>58435716Yeah it's gimmicky, it's definitely a win condition you can actually play around though. In Swsh if you tried to use Zygarde in ranked doubles it was pretty common to just get intimidate cycled or ice beamed, having this means Zygarde can kill things as long as it doesn't get one shot
>>58433878Disappointing
>>58435716Zygarde-C was already a monster in Gen 7 Ubers, and in Gen 8 Ubers it was still a top tier threat.Now make it actually hit like a truck and give it a competent speed stat and it goes crazy.
>>58436634It's the same exact condition as before just with a megastone you autist
>>58436721t. autist
>>58435716You've got a point. Zygarde has to basically play with half a moveset until it drops below 50% HP before it gets to play the game. If it didn't have to go Complete to Mega Evolve, you could just EV it to be a Special Attacker and be done with it, but you have to build for it before and after it drops below 50% HP.
>>58436675Rayquazabros…
>>58436775>no uWhatever makes you sleep at night, autist.
>>58436848t. projecting
>>58435221Necrozmabros...
>>58436787He's doing alright. Way better than Calyrex-I, Zamazenta, Reshiram, Solgaleo, Kyurem, or Dialga, that's for certain.
>>58435221>the Ultimate Weapon is a shard of Necrozma's original body>Eternatus is a shard of Necrozma's original body>the Z Crystals are shards of Necrozma's original body>Necrozma is a shard of Necrozma's original body>mega stones shards of Necrozma's original body???
>>58436956>Pokemon Legends Alola comes out>Kyurem, Zerkrom, and Reshiram combine into the original dragon>the original dragon is also a shard of Necrozma's original body>Necrozma absorbs Solgaleo/Lunala to power its re-assimilation of its original parts>devours original dragon>devours Eternatus>devours Z crystals>devours mega stones>devours Zygarde>Light That Fucks Your Mom wipes out all the other non-canon universes>devours Arceus
>>58436956>the Ultimate Weapon is [insane headcanon]Yikes, not even reading the rest
Arceus > Dialga/Palkia/Giratina > Zygarde > Necrozma
>>58433832We need 255 stats mega DeoxysActually, we are no longer bound by 8 bit shenanigans, give it 256 stats for the fun of it
Was half of the people not born yet during gen 7? Completa Zygarde was a menace, have you forgot?
>>58437182I still remember when the data of all pokemon leaked and people laughed at Zygarde for being "just" normal Zygarde with more HP as if that thing needed anything else with that bulk and a pseudo-Earthquake move that hits everything. Then they understood.
>>58437202I've heard retards say Mega Zygarde is bad, too. They never learn
>>58437860Mega-Z is going to be in Ubers for sure, but it's an inherently risky Pokemon to use. For one, it's a special attacker that Mega-evolves from a physical attacker. Secondly, it needs to hit 50% HP to turn into the form that allows it to Mega-Evolve. That means that you've gotta carefully whittle down your own Pokemon (one that is resistant to Stealth Rocks, by the way) to half HP to trigger the transformation into Zygarde-C before it can make use of the stat you're using it for.216 Special Attack is horrendous, but you're playing with half a Pokemon until you drop below 50% HP with no safe way to drop it that low. You'll be switching it in to eat stray attacks to drop it that low before you can really use it. Meanwhile Ubers will be filled with Mega-Gengar, Mega-Salamence, Mega-Metagross, Primal Groudon/Kyogre, and maybe even Mega-Fug if power creep has advanced far enough that Ray is acceptable in Ubers.
>>58437860>>58437894>>58436675>UbersWill Smogon even release it? None of the new forms can be played in a turn-based game
>>58433832actual stats interact so weirdly with the bst system implications post phys-special split, because nowadays 99% of pokemon that have a significant amount of stats in the attack column that isn't their main attacking stat just had dead statsso you'll see two pokemon with the same bst but one of them has mixed attack stats meaning that 50-100 of their base stats are just dead weightIt made a little more sense in gen 1-2-3 because having huge mixed stats like deoxys here could mean access to more coverage moves (i dont remember if he actually got access to much of that, but there's at least an argument to be made there) whereas now in 4 onwards, generally you build for physical or special outside of pretty niche scenarios
>>58434493There are a number of things they could do>change the move's base power>change Mega Zygarde's base stats>change how the move works (add a one turn charge time like Sky Attack or no-sun Solarbeam)>give it 1pp so it's a one time delete button, but you have to time it right
Mega Zygarde is Darmanitan Zen Mode on crack.
>>58437945Smogon had a PLA meta in Gen 8 before Ursaluna, Enamorus, and the like became officially usable. They'll probably have another unofficial meta for Gen 9 that does the same. I hope these monstrosities don't make it into an actual game, but I'm doubtful they won't be in Gen 10.
>>58437894>>58437945>fanfic meta
>>58438084
>>58438017>you have to time it rightDude it's a fucking dragon Z-move that hits fairies, there's no need to time anything right other than not hitting a steel type, everything else is fucked
>>58438093>but I'm proud of my fanfic!Okay? Good for you
>>58438084>>58438119Dangerously BASED
>>58438141le samefag
>>58438119
>>58433832778 BST M-Zygarde780 BST M-Rayquaza
>>58438316nta, nigger
>>58436956>>58436990>all "3rd ver" dragons from gen 5 amd beyond are the gigants born from arceus' eggshellKINO
>>58438372Yes you are. Tongue my anus.
>>58436956>>58436990>mega stones - necrozma connection>the Hoenn remake timeline split may have been caused by the initial death of Necrozma>in the original timeline, mega evolution was never discovered because Necrozma never diedHoly moly FUARK
>>58438457Tongue my anus, faggot
Can we Hoopa-gate to a universe where Gen 6+ never happened and there are no megas/Fairy types/Z-moves/etc?
>>58433832Too bad you’re not going to get to use Mega Zygarde in battle in any format.The key issue being Base form Zygarde.In doubles, your opponent can just gang up on your ally and 1v4 or 1v3 your Zygarde.In singles, you can use something with decent special bulk and set up on it easily.People are gonna try using this Mega for a week until they realize “hey I can just use Miraidon or Calyrex-S. They don’t hit as hard but at least they can start attacking immediately”.
>>58436675A key difference in what made Zygarde effective here is that you were forced to attack Zygarde before it Dragon Danced/Coiled enough times to sweep. This meant you could actually achieve its Complete form much more easily since your opponent was forced to attack you.Now if you have Mega Zygarde, how exactly are you supposed prevent something like Necrozma from setting up in your face and sweeping?
>>58433832It looks DOA for VGC, for the same reasons Zygarde-C was. No clue why Gamefreak wouldn’t just let you evolve it from base.
>>58433832>you have to use SPECIAL zygarde (pu tier shitmon) in ubers>can't even use mega when you want to, must rely on your opponent being a total retard>even with ohko buttons you are too slow without dd and will just get outsped and die to anything (gets less bulkier even)>no real abilities likelyliterally the biggest potential mon of all time
>>58438767>Pepe>retarded postA duo as iconic as ever.
>>58433832Couldn't you use substitute to get him to 50%?
Look anonthe real tech is doing full Atk Adamant Mega ZygardeIt's still a 200 BP STAB moveYou're gonna chunk most things anyway
>>58438821He’s right though.If your opponent has an IQ above 75, they aren’t going to attack Zygarde unless they know it’ll do less than 50% by a decent margin, or OHKO it.It’s not like you are threatening a Dragon Dance sweep since you’re a Special Attacking Zygarde with no boosting moves. You hit like a wet paper towel by Restricted legendary standards. So your opponent can spend the game focusing on your ally Pokemon or setting up on Zygarde.
>>58438832That would take up 5 turns minimum if your opponent doesn’t attack you>Use Substitute once>Switch out>Switch back in>Substitute again>You can now Mega Evolve turn 5
>>58438832looks like it does so in that case it would actually be viable>>58438836I think the best set (if GF deletes sub or something) would be running DD+Thousand Arrows+2 special moves so you can boost speed while not being a complete deadweight in both teamslot and mega slot
>>58438095Unless they Protect, or have a Focus Sash, or you fuck up and get encored into it the turn after and start to Struggle. I'm not saying it wouldn't be very strong, only that there would be counter play. That said they'll probably just lower the base power.
>>58438836>It's still a 200 BP STAB moveIt likely won't be if it releases in Gen X. Remember, most of the PLA moves got reworked before being added in Gen IX.
>>58438767>>58438862least flamboyant samefag
>>58433832do people just not know what the complete form is?do people really think they can just immediately mega and kill everything because aside from a few posts here and there everyone seems to believe it's gonna be AG or something
>>58438862Both forms of Zygarde only need 1 move, you can make it work.
>>58441822Do you just not know how to read? Literally the post you are replying to acknowledges the HP drop required to change
>>58433832Mega Zygarde hits harder than a Huge Power Zacian-C (gen 8 stats).I'm not joking.>252+ SpA Zygarde-Complete-Mega Nihil Light vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 531-625 (155.7 - 183.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO>252+ Atk Huge Power Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 439-517 (128.7 - 151.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>>58440425
>>58438675>how exactly are you supposed prevent something like Necrozma from setting up in your face and sweeping?You switch to Yveltal like you're supposed to.
>>58443363>Huge Power
lol who cares? Pokemon isn't turn based anymore. Both Smogon and VGC are dead. Ain't no one gonna bother with Champions no more
>>58444197I gave the Zacian Huge Power to highlight the absurdity of how strong Mega Zygarde is.
>>58444428How does he compare to a fully invested Sp Atk Miraidon with Charge, Electric Terrain, super effective Electro drift?Luv muh lizards btw.
>>58444470Charge Life Orb Miraidon still beats it even without super effective. That said, it still takes an extra turn to use Charge.
>>58434918It never got it back btw so you still winning.
>>58444615>lying on the internetZygarde has Extreme Speed in ZA as usual
>>58444621ZA Zygarde won't have the stats it has now or the move set.
>>58445083Proof?
>>58444217Says who retard?
>>58445115Says Game Freak
>>58443527That sounds like a pretty massively negative trait if you’re forced to switch out and have your opponent get a free turn.
>>58435221>Light that returns to nothingDoes this mean that Mega Zygarde could in theory just fucking kill Necrozma by returning the light of its body to nothing?
>>58445165light that returns to nothing means that it's a laser made of light that just erases whatever it touches. technically necrozma is the only thing that could ever counter it because it's still light
>>58445192Necrozma being light doesn't make it immune to beam attacks, retardo, if anything Necrozma's light form is the weakest one to Nihil Light
>>58445144>a pokemon has checks>wow that's a pretty massively negative trait amirite?
>>58445165>reading comprehension
