What fun will they ban first?
when are you going to start charging rent for the space they occupy in your head?
>>58446177>champions has no unrestricted 6v6 mode>gen 10 is real time>smoggies truly become a fanfic metaThe meltdown and subsequent implosion of the community is going to be hilarious, they are so fucked.
>>58446177Does it matter? They get ceased and desisted once Champions comes out.
>>58446211Some autist will make a real time version of showdown
>>58446177>>58446211>>58446232Arceus already shown that Smogon won't have a formal meta for a real-time game
Why do we not know the abilities of the new megas? Haven't you niggers unlocked them yet?
>>58446177Zygardite to Anything Goes
>>58448182Probably by the time they're added to Pokémon Home.
>>58448182Retard-kun...
>>58446504Arceus was turn based but completely ridiculous to smogon so they never programmed it
>>58448207pla didn't have online battles
>>58448207i fucking wish they did, i don't care if they didn't officially have online battles, being able to use it in Cobblemon would be killer
>>58448186isn't Zygardite extremely situational? is a temporary power up to a temporary power up.
>>58446177swagge
>>58448182The abilities aren't even in the game's code.
>>58448344The funnier thing is people freaking out over what will be a either a charge move or a fancy gigaton hammer once it is available anywhere else. Only mega starmie comes close to being that insanely overrated when hustle is an attack boosting ability that exists, meaning huge/pure power aren't guaranteed.
>>58446211>champions has no unrestricted 6v6 modeThere is a free battle mode 6v6, but no ranked 6v6. Showdown is safe
>>58446177If you think this is gonna be "fun" consider that it has a move that ignores all stat changes and resistances and now every game is which Mega Zygarde switches in first and shoots their big button
>>58449771Until it gets the CnD
>>58449784Realistically it's going to Ubers day 1
>>58446212>>58449771It's been clear that TPC has been working with Smogon for years if you do some light googling. Smogon is inherently not a threat to the pokemon brand because its not about the story, nor is VGC it's main focus. TPC knows that Smogon fulfills a specific niche for entirely free that isnt taking from their profits or replacing any of their games. Could they sue? Probably, but it would be far more damaging to the brand than beneficial, so they work with Smogon instead
>>58449803If you're wondering, this also applies to Pokerouge and most pokemon romhacks (the difficulty hacks to be precise)They don't intend to replicate the actual experience of a pokemon game, so tpc has no legal incentive to pursue them. Whereas Pokemon Uranium was intended to be a complete pokemon experience on PC, Pokemon Unbound was a romhack with a focus on difficulty. Legality is complicated
It's gonna be funny seeing Ubers Barbaracle
>>58450430>second fastest shell smash user firing off STAB cross chops from 140 base attackSounds like fun.
>>58448192Do we know when they'll be added?
>>58449771>>58446211>>58446177Yeah with Champions coming out I think it is finally time to CnD Smogon, nothing of value will be lost and may we enjoy the seethe.
>>58450440I forgot Tough Claws, which may be likely since regular Barbaracle already has it.
>>58449784Mega Zygarde won’t even be that good.It’s like the Egyptian God Cards from Yugioh. They require way too much effort to use realistically.
>>58446212how do you cease and desist a rule set?
How do you even factor in new Megas when we don't know what abilities they have yet
>>58450922By shutting down the platform its hosted on. Good luck playing OU on Champions unregulated unranked 6v6 ladder.
>>58446199>wtf why are people talking about Pokemon fan projects on the Pokemon board????? MODS!!!!Silly libtard
>>58449784Setup conditions are strict + they can just ban Nihil light, which could even not carry over to mainline. Without it, Zygarde is not that strong
>>58446177Gen 8, 9 were the worst competitive experiences I've had and I doubt this is going to change. I might move on to VGC for good, even if it's a totally different battle style
>>58450459>>58451189None of you played gen 7 Ubers. It's not difficult to get zygarde to complete because of its bulk and sub/coil/ddance sets, and its base HP doubles AND it heals when it transforms
>>58451933>Gen 7 UbersThere’s part of your issue.Zygarde has to get hit by at least 50% in a Metagame that hits way harder than Gen 7. Calyrex-I, Flutter Mane, Chien-Pao, Koraidon, etc.Also you need Core Enforcer. Which means one of your moves it hitting like a wet noodle until you actually Mega, which means you’re more passive and your opponent can take advantage of that.
>>58450445Legal precedent is that simulators are legally safe. The most GF could do is tell Smogon to stop using their sprites/models/music/names, kinda like how they told Rule34 to stop using the Pokemon IP and they just changed Pokemon to Porkyman. All Smogon would have to do is change the sprites and names to something else while hosting a free extension that change everything back to how it used to be. They're not going anywhere considering Smogon RandBats is the #1 way to play competitive Pokemon.
>>58451933Here's where you're wrong:>Gen 7 Zygarde forced enemies to attack it by DDancing up in their face>Players can smell your Mega-Zygarde coming from a mile away since you won't be using any of the other busted Megas (Salamence, Gengar)>Your opponents can safely switch to a Pokemon that can OHKO, or close enough, regular Zygarde >Zygarde resists sneaky pebbles so it can't whittle itself down that way>Since it switches from physical to special, either your base form or Mega form will be underpoweredNot saying it won't be powerful, but I don't think it's making it to Anything Goes. Especially not with the bikes, Calyrex, Mega Fug, Mega Mence, Chien Pao, and Zacian-C running around.
>>58450451I would rather No Guard so it doesn't have a chance to miss Stone Edge or Cross Chop.
>>58446177Smogon never bans anything fun. They always ban the anti-fun stuff.
>>58452070No Guard would also be really good.
>>58452067I can see people running mixed sets to try and make it work. Each Zygarde only really needs 1 move. It does suffer heavily from 4MSS so I don't expect it to be a great set.
>>58452036If Champions doesn't launch with a randbats equivalent which it will it will be dead in the water.
>>58452125Do you think Game Freak is competent enough for RandBats? The thing that makes Smogon's RandBats work is that strong Pokemon are lower leveled to compensate for their insane power and everyone Pokemon has pre-programmed comp sets. Even Delibird is more than dead weight in RandBats.
>>58452124Mixed sets could work too, but no matter what you do, you're not going to be using it to its fullest potential after everyone gets used to it being around. Early on you'll find plenty of retards who will whittle down your Zygarde until it goes Complete and functions as a wincon, but once the new toy syndrome wears off, people will realize that you just have to hit the snake really hard rather than chip it down.I think the biggest buff will be to non-Mega Zygarde-C since people will try to play around the Mega and lose to the DDance set.
>>58452116>Machamp: Has more arms than normal>Ability: No Guard>Mega-Barbaracle: Has more arms than normal>Ability: ???I feel it, patternbros...
>>58446177Out of the new megas? Babaracle because it 2HKOs the entire game after a shell smash if it keeps tough claws
>>58452949Even without Tough Claws, it rips through everything. Tough Claws simply pushes those 2HKOs to be OHKOs after rocks.
>>58450443It will be only after the dlc.
>>58450930Not just the abilities. Moves can make Pokémon go from mid to super good.
>>58452949Shell Smash will 1000% be nerfed. Blastoise also gets it.
>>58453012Shell Smash isn't getting nerfed. Smogon will just ban Mega-Blastoise and Mega-Barbaracle.
Mega-Alakazam might actually be okay in OU depending on Tera. If Tera remains in Gen X but megas can't Tera, then it'll be OU. If Tera and/or Kingambit are gone, or Megas can Tera, then M-Alakazam is Ubers.
>>58453300>2 new megas in ubers>1 in ou>3 in uubl>2 in uu>3 in rubl>4 in ru>3 in nu>6 in pu
>>58453300I was going to bust your balls over Mega-Lopunny being UUBL, but I just realized it lost Return AND Double Edge. It pretty much only has Fighting moves, so anything that resists Fighting can safely switch in on her.
>>58446177They will ban all status effects. The floodgates are already open now that Sleep as a whole was banned. Next, Freez, then Para, then Burn and Toxic go
>>58453342Megas have the issue of competing with other megas for a team slot. UUBL and RUBL are basically just runoff slots for megas that won't quite break the 4.53% usage rate threshold due to all the other megas running around the tier. Of course, this is all without knowing their abilities. If Meganium got Wonder Guard it'd be Anything Goes, and if Barbaracle got Truant it'd be PU.
>>58453375I wasn't even criticizing the list, I just was curious about the distribution. I would have plotted it but I was too lazy to bust out matplotlib just for that
>>58453246It's not Smogon is Game Freak. They won't allow Mega Bastoise to just be broken like that.
>>58453300Imagine if Power-Up Punch returned for Champions.
>>58453392>>58453246Wait why would megatoise be broken? Wasn't it mid back in 6/7?
>>58453463It didn't have Shell Smash back then.
>>58453473well, shit, that'll do it
>>58453300>Mega Drampa in PUThere's no way the thing with 160 base special attack will be in PU. Hell, base Drampa was banned from PU for being too strong.
>>58453392Shell Smash Pokemon aren't quite as good in VGC as singles. There are more ways to handle it with things like Amoonguss and its Infinite Spore Works, redirection, or just doubling into Blastoise since it has its defenses dropped. It will certainly be very strong, but it's also putting up with things Smogon banned like Flutter Mane and Urshifu.
>>58453524VGC is just for tournaments and they will only adjust Pokémon AFTER they dominate tournaments.A pokémon being too broken in singles, the multiplayer, will instantly trigger a nerf. That's without a doubt.
>>58453480160 SpA is nice and all, but that comes at the cost of having no item and competing with other Megas. It's also very slow and in a tier where it's liable to get ganked by Goodra.
>>58453480252+ SpA Drampa-Mega Flamethrower vs. +1 0 HP / 0 SpD Ice Scales Frosmoth: 184-218 (65.4 - 77.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO+1 252 SpA Frosmoth Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Drampa-Mega: 306-362 (103 - 121.8%) -- guaranteed OHKOYeah, it'll be fine in PU.
>>58453300surely megamence and megazam should be retested in ou
>>58453606not fire blast?
>>58453606>+1
>>58453300That is assuming they will allow Blastoise to retain Shell Smash and won't do anything to that move Like, you look at this shit, see Blastoise that high and go "YEP, THIS IS TOYALLY NORMAL. IT'S TOTALLY HOW IT WILL STAY"Also pidgeot really needs Focus Blast. So many mons are just short of one move to be good
>>58453300Mega Starmie that low even factoring huge power?
>>58446177>Ban limited and legendary pokemon>People still use the same shitOfficial is no different from smogon
>>58453300>Mega-Alakazam might actually be okay in OUlmao no way. it was banned back when all it has was calm mind. and pursuit was still in the gamepursuit is removed and it has nasty plot now. it's 100% gone
>>58454026Unless Mega Mence gets a nerf, it's not happening. Alakazam depends entirely on what Gen 10 ends up being like. It got Nasty Plot and Expanding Force, and with that horrifying speed stat it straight up murders teams without Dark types or Sucker Punch. You basically have to keep your Dark type fully healthy in the back, because a +2 Dazzling Gleam can easily do 90%+.
>>58454134That's with factoring Pure Power, yes. If it's Hustle it's UU, but with Pure Power it's a true blue OU threat. What keeps it in check is its terrible physical movepool. We don't know if it'll get anything worth using in Gen X, but as it stands it basically just has Flip Turn and Psycho Cut. It also has Avalanche, but that's 60bp unless Starmie goes second.
>>58454169think the lack of good psychic terrain users and hidden power mean that it can now be easier to handle with priorities and scizor
>>58454169Kingambit is a huge problem for it. There'll be plenty of other viable Sucker Punch users too, like M-Kang, M-Maw, and M-Gren.
>>58454169Mega Zam wasn't banned in gen 6 or 7. But there's no way in hell it's staying in after getting Nasty Plot.
>>58454259We don't know if the Tapus are cut from Gen X, or if there won't be other Psychic Terrain setters. A slow Psychic Terrain setting U-turner would be monstrous.
>>58454120Game Freak isn't nerfing Shell Smash. It's not even a good move in doubles.
>>58446211>>58450445Hey Verlisify
>>58454333
>>58454340>Smogon is wrong!!Knowing nothing of Smogon and too much of Verlisify, I'm inclined to agree with Smogon now.
>>58451933If Nihil light exists in mainline, I agree it could be strong. I highly doubt it however
>>58453300God, could you IMAGINE Mega-Zard-Y with Past Paradox Pokemon running around? Horrifying
>>58453300Has there been a Mega in PU ever? I feel even Audino was NU or RU even
>>58454340i know he's basically just a ragebaiter at this point but the implication he argues with AI chatbots about smogon so much they recognize it as a personality trait is so funny
>>58454604Yeah, Meganium
>>58453300is mega barbaracle really that good?
>>58453300Move Gengar up one. Encore and Nasty plot break it beyond belief.
>>58452067Will Mega Fug be banned again?
>>58454642Shell Smash + Amazing Offensive typing + Good stats. It gets significantly bulkier, loses the quad weakness, and has a large enough speed stat to outrun everything short of Regieleki at +2. The calcs for its attacks are horrific. Even without Tough Claws, it's just shy of OHKO'ing max bulk Corviknight 100% of the time.The only things that can handle it are the insane speedsters like Regieleki, Excadrill in the Sand, or Barraskewda in the rain. Well, them and the Unaware Pokemon. Clod, Quag, and Dozo, specifically, because Skeledirge gets bricked by Stone Edge.
>>58454697There's a good chance it does get banned again, but the Bikes, Chien Pao, and Zacian existing makes that questionable. If Miraidon stays banned, I think Fug will go too.
>>58454697It’s a mega that doesn’t have to waste an item slot and instead has to use a move slot, but the move is very powerful so it’s not a waste at all. I don’t think Mega Zygarde will do much against it because of how the form changes work and even with Zygarde’s great HP stat, its defense goes down and Fug outspeeds so it could just finish the job.
>>58454642Unless it gets an actual hindering ability it is one of the two (the other being zygarde being in Ubers because complete is there by default) you can safely guess how it will go based on its existing kit and how mega Blastoise buck broke natdex after getting shell smash (something Barbaracle has since day 1).
>>58450445>>58446177i'm gonna be honestvgc is gonna die before that happenshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-lcl-r-hcE
>>58452036This is why everyone loved the battle factory and they need to bring it back in championsPlaying with random mons and strategising with them is FUNNN
>>58453300It is unironically over for OU if fucking Megagross is considered healthy enough for it
>>58454822Not everyone can handle teambuilding. Having an option that skips the teambuilding step is huge for the casual playerbase.
Sand is BACK. Fuck Sun, fuck Protosynthesis. Ttar is going back on his throne.
>>58454845Smogon would have to ban close to 30 Pokemon before Mega-Gross becomes too much for the tier. The 19 current bans + Gholdengo, Kingambit, Zamazenta, Darkrai, Iron Moth, Cinderace, and W-Ogerpon all keep it in check. 110 speed isn't that fast anymore.
>>58453300>Mega Gatr in RUisn’t base gatr there? Or is this assuming it gets some shit tier ability?
>>58454875>Gets Sand Force as its ability*Psssh* nothin' personnel, kid
>>58454880I'm assuming it doesn't keep Sheer Force, in which case it'll be a more defensive side-grade rather than an upgrade. It doesn't get a single point of speed, and its speed is just low enough that Mega-Sceptile still outruns it at Jolly +1.
>>58454890Gatr-Mimikyu with Disguise would be pretty funnycould even forgo DD for SD
Discussing most new megas is pointless when abilities and whatever moves are lost/gained when they debut in a normal game/champions will decide their true viability. Even the """safe""" assumptions like huge power mega starmie could be wrong because hustle is an easy to forget about ability that happens to boost attack.Most because malamar being by far the worst is easy to see coming thanks to its awful stats and terrible type before even considering all the better options. Mega Zygarde won't be available outside of ubers/restricted formats so it doesn't matter for most people anyway, though discussing nihil light as it is right now is pointless when it could easily be changed once it touches a normal game and make the current calcs irrelevant. Finally there is Barbaracle that unless it somehow loses shell smash will at least be very fucking strong in ou no matter what
>>58453300Mega Froslass will be in a higher tier. It gets Nasty Plot now.
My friend Malamar needs to be better...
>>58454876Literally only kingsmbit can switch in against Mega Metagross sometimes (and even then mega Metagross has a flex slot for whatever moves it wants) without fear of getting 2hkoed or straight up killed from that list. Mega Metagross is also bulky as fuck for how strong it is.
I still remember Gen 7, fucking hidden power fire Metagross to kill muh steels
>>58454890Disappointing they didn’t give it more speed after minmaxing Chesnaught.
>>58454890Mega Sceptile needs Draco Meteor to do any real damage.
>>58449794They already QB'd it to AG when the stats got leaked
>>58454890If Feraligatr gets Dragon's Maw, it becomes a really good Pokémon.
>>58453300Mega Metagross should also be Ubers. It gets Heavy Slam, Psychic Fangs, and Knock Off.
>>58455168Or Fishous Rend. I guess we won’t see any movepool updates until Gen 10, though.
>>58454959If it still has Contrary it'll be a fine mid-tier Mega.
lurking this thread is my only source of entertainment while I hunt for feebas in emerald.I'm 130 tiles in, pray for me
>mega lopunny with swords dance, close combat and mach punchNow all it needs is Return back
Would Mega Pidgeot move to OU if it had Focus Blast?
>>58455229And Boomburst
>>58455177it can only use 4 moves. the assumption that it could run 10 moves SIMULTANEOUSLY, which SMOGNIGGERS kept repeating, falsely tarnished MegaGross
>>58455224It lacking Return is probably why it'll be UUBL. There are abundant Fighting resists around. Landorus-T hard walls it if it doesn't have good Normal STAB.
>>58454697Mega Fug seems quaint these days given the ubers that have been running around the past few generations.
>>58451189Nihil light is a signature move and smogon doesn't ban signature moves
>>58454885Even with sand force it wouldn't be that much better than mega swampert
>>58455406With Sand Force it'd be useless. 100 Speed isn't getting it anywhere these days. 100 is SLOW in modern OU.
itt: retards crying about shit they weren't gonna play anyway
>>58455497Even with webs support?
>>58455278What else is it gonna need besides those 3 moves + some filler like Bullet Punch or Ice Punch?
>>58455523Close Combat for one, which, along with the priority and coverage, cant fit woth the moves you gave
>>58455224>>58455303Your triple axle? >+2 252 Atk Lopunny Triple Axel (120 BP) (3 hits) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Landorus-Therian: 572-680 (150.1 - 178.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO>+2 252 Atk Lopunny Triple Axel (60 BP) (2 hits) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Landorus-Therian: 288-344 (75.5 - 90.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKOBetween CC/mach and axle you're neutral on almost everything relevant. Return is worthless when scrappy CC exists
>>58454845It's been over for awhile anon, Gen 9 is the worst power creep the game's ever had. Play VGC or 3v3
>>58455713is bss even balanced?
>>58453606252+ Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg-Hisui: 204-240 (51.7 - 60.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO0 Atk Avalugg-Hisui Mountain Gale vs. -1 0 HP / 4 Def Great Tusk: 314-372 (84.6 - 100.2%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKOYyyyyeah bros, I think Great Tusk is ummmmm NGMI
>>58455780Completely different scenarios. Great Tusk is great on its own. Drampa isn't. The issue is whether Drampa will be too good for PU or if it'll settle in fine down there.
>>58455772No, but at least it doesn't pretend that it's a super serious gamemode like Smogon still tries to.
>>58455912is vgc balanced?
>>58455912Smogon is just for fun. The tournaments are "serious business", but the primary objective of Smogon is to have fun. That's why there are so many Alternative Metas, Random Battles, Past Gen metas, Past Gen Random Battles, and lower tiers. Ubers, Ubers UU, Anything Goes, NatDex Ubers, and so on. The whole point of tiers in the first place is so that fans can use their favorites in competitive battles without being at a huge disadvantage. Do you like Gardevoir? Well, that's great, because Smogon lets you use it in RU where it's actually a solid offensive Pokemon and it isn't outclassed by Hatterene or Tapu Lele. In VGC/BSS, however, you're at a sever disadvantage if you bring anything outside of the top 40 best Pokemon. You can get an occasional tech pick like Golisopod or Pachirisu, but by and large, especially in Gen 9 with power creep as insane as it is, you are stuck with only a handful of Pokemon.
>>58456048I compare VGC to the OU of any generation. Ubers is a banlist and anything below OU is a constellation prize for not hacking it in the big leagues (even if they do end up sometimes being more fun than OU like Gen 5 UU). VGC has the same overcentralization problems that OU does but there's just so much more going on due to the inherent complexity of controlling 2 Pokemon, battles are quicker, and there's a lot more opportunity for niche/oddball picks to shake things up. It also doesn't have to a ban a ton of things to have something resembling balance
>>58456048>>58456111Like realistically what's the effective difference between Incineroar being everywhere in VGC vs Lando T being everywhere in Smogon?
>>58455859What? You don't know if Mega Drampa is "great on its own" yet. He's not available in any standard format.The point that appears to be illustrated by that/your post is that Mega Drampa will settle in PU because a single traditionally low-usage Pokemon can survive a super-effective hit from it and KO in return. This is the case for many high-usage Pokemon, and it hasn't affected their viability.
>>58456111>It also doesn't have to a banThat point is moot because they don't ban.
>>58456148They do buff & nerf stuff across the gens, and almost all of it is done with Doubles in mind. Even gimmicks like Terra & especially Dynamax are retarded in Singles but in Doubles they're fun mechanics because that's the intended format for you to be using them in
>ANOTHER thread for whining about smogonOk i'd like to see you fags do any better kek!
>>58456135Lando-T has 30 - 35% usage in his best MetasIncineroar has 70 - 95% usage in its best Metas
>>58456345Dynamax sucks in doubles too
i just want them to stop favoring stall
>>58456493Stall is nonexistent in Gen 9. Banning overpowered offensive threats isn't "favoring" Stall.
>>58456496it is when the "threats" arent actually overpowered to begin withtheir "balance" is horribly stall-favored, and mons like volcarona, annihilape, and espathra are just as skill based, if not moreso, than their great tusks and blisseys
has anyone here actually ranked highly on smogon's metas?
>>58456665I've made top 500 on several ladders, but I'm not really amazing. My greatest achievement was hitting 1900 on Gen 8 RandBats ladder. I've never hated Moltres or Kommo-o as much before or since
>>58456665Highest I ever got was 1700s in gen 7 ou abusing ddance dragonite
>>58456520Great Tusk and Blissey don't instantly win a game when given a free turn.
>>58457243And neither do Volcarona, Annihilape, or Espathra
>>58457372Liar
>>58457372All of those win games off of one free turn.
>>58457372They do at least in tera meta. You guess the tera wrong you've lostHalf the banned shit would be fine if not for tera, but smogon wants to keep that garbage gimmick around enabling coinflips. The precise reason why they banned aegislash years ago
Ok but why are you guys talking about smogon like it's one person? You DO know how suspect tests work, right?
>>58457902Omgon ban swagge
>>58457902Yeah, some guy named The Council decides what gets banned after he suspects it's OP.
>>58446177why does this board hate smogon so much anyway?I've always found it odd there's no showdown thread on here given showdown is probably the most interesting aspect of Pokemon inbetween new releases. Is it just because metafags ruin everyone's fun?
>>58457997This board doesn't play Pokemon.
>>58457997How have you found it odd? There’s always at least one or two disingenuous retards dragging the entire thread down and souring it for everyone else (ie, yawnfag copies). At some point people just write it off and go elsewhere.
>>58457372/vp/ should require all users to post their Elo to mods before they are allowed to post. You otherwise get retarded posts like this.
>>58457997>why does this board hate this fanfic that erodes any discussion of the actual game because campaignshitters pretend it has any relevance?
>>58457618>Half the banned shit would be fine if not for teraNot even close. Nearly everything previously in OU would still be banned without tera.
>>58457997It's just Yawnfag.
>>58457997Because they're bad at comp and say that the format itself sucks. These threads would disappear overnight if each poster was forced to attach their smogon elo or even scarlet/violet ball rank
>>58456665I got top 350 in OU and top 150 in nat dex
>>58456665I was top 10 in Balanced Hackmons
>>58458104>ApeFine without sudden tera to fairy/water >EspathraSame dealio, lose if you guess wrong>VolcaronaSame as the above 2>HearthflameNo +1 atk every switch in without tera>ElekiFuck all movepool without teraPalafin may also be fine without it. No defensive fairy for bulk up or amped water tera
>>58458209really telling when not even the people who spam campaignshitter post their rank
>>58458209>>58458089>>58458319>/vp/ one day requires all users to post their elo or their Ball Rank>Yawnfag suddenly stops posting
>>58458396It's painfully easy to get masterball. Especially with rental teams, you don't even need to do the tedious part.
>>58458410Isn't that even more damning?
>>58452148Yeah, that's a problem with anything GF does to try and replace Smogon.Smogon is made with the idea in mind that not all Pokemon are created equal. Both for their randbats and their tiering system.I don't think GF is capable of conceding that idea, beyond legendaries being a step above non-legendaries of course.At most, they might scale their levels based on BST, but even doing that would be treating Dragapult and Goodra as equals.
>>58459050>I don't think GF is capable of conceding that idea, beyond legendaries being a step above non-legendaries of course.VGC literally has rotating regulation formats specifically to address this problem. And it's admittedly more interesting than Smogon's static format.So no, I don't think GF is unwilling to accept that pokemon aren't created equal. It's moreso the casual playerbase that are unwilling to accept it. A lot of pokemon fans just get irrationally pissy when you tell them a starting route bug type isn't competitively viable or suggest that the endgame/postgame of a pokemon game should include battles that you can't beat without upgrading your team. GF is aware of this and really don't like pandering to tryhards if it might alienate normalfags.
>>58459142>specifically to address this problem. And it's admittedly more interesting than Smogon's static format.lol >>58454156both are as bad as each other lets not kid ourselves. at least in smogons case they update or add different ones more frequently. vgc ones are stale for ages
>>58459164Sure I agree VGC is lazy as shit but the "idea" of a rotating format is more interesting than Smogon's format where the meta never really evolves past the first week of each DLC. Being able to control the banlist and change it up every few months keeps things fresh if the devs care enough to update it.
>>58459176The rotation would be good if it wasn't just ban the same legendaries etc. They should also purge some of the most used mons as well for the time or it always devolves back into the same stuff. Even when legendaries return it just returns back to being groudon/urshifu/riders deal. Making the rotation kinda meaningless because it just ends up being the same meta from last time they were back
>>58459142GF obviously understands that box legendaries are better than everything else. And they understand that sub-legendaries like the paradoxes and treasures are better than regular mons.Rotating regulations don't acknowledge the inequality between Pokemon that are in the same category.If you play randbats on Showdown and you roll up Delibird, Luvdisc, Pinchurchin, Sunflora, Kricketune, and Vespiquen, your chances of winning are still pretty decent because of the level scaling.But since those are all non-legendaries, every official format treats them equally to other non-legendaries like Gholdengo, Dragonite, Ursaluna, Archaludon, Rillaboom, and Sneasler.I think Gamefreak would implement a system where, in certain regulations, you're guaranteed one or two random restricteds.I don't think Gamefreak would prevent you from getting a team of 6 shitmons against 6 meta staples.
>>58456665It's pretty easy to get top 100 if you try. This gen I've got it multiple times but didn't go further because they made a gayass meta
>>58456665I got to #1 on a few of the old gen ladders but that was like 5-6 years ago, before old gens blew up so the quality of opponents was a good bit lower compared to now.
>>58453300Mega Gengar was first non-legendary pokemon banned to AG in Nat Dex
>>58452073If this true? Why did they ban "funbro" it has FUN in the name!Checkmate chud.
>>58459751That's because NatDex allowed it to Tera.
>>58458287>apeIt would still be busted. It's bulky, has perfect STAB coverage, and keeps its Rage Fist boosts even after switching out.>espathraIf you don't have a steel-type alive, you lose.>the restThose are the only ones, and Terapagos.>Palafin may also be fine without it.LOL
>>58460160>If you don't have a steel-type alive, you lose.Dazzling gleam is a shit coverage move without the tera mixup. The whole reason it was good with tera was that tera blast gave it the flexibility to properly handle dark types if you could remove the steels yourself. I'm so fucking sick of this boogeyman.
>>58460577The only dark-types that can actually take 2 hits from it are Gambit and Ting-Lu, Ting-Lu isn't killing it in return.
>>58459176You're way off if you think the meta doesn't change organically without rotating rulesets.A team made 6 months ago would be pretty shite now
>>58455497Wallbreakers exist.Not every pokemon needs to be a glass canon sweeper.Gholdengo is one of the most threatening offensive pokemon in the meta and it's got 84 speed.
