There's a big divide between the pokemon fanbase with people who prefer the new style games and people who prefer the linear gamesLike with Zelda and Mario, pokemon needs to have a 3D series and a 2D series with the chibi style of BDSP but good looking chibis and set in a new region with new pokemonIt's clear the 3d games need more development time and having new chibi games with new pokemon will allow the pokemon company to spin the merchandise wheel whilst theyre spending more time doing the big 3d generation gameI
>>58455389The concept of ZA is good. The execution is just shit. The Pokemon Company gives their devs the budget of an indie game and expects AAA results.
The game is objectively just fucking shit. Actual downgrade from PLA which was already garbage enough
>>58455603>ObjectivelyHello, zoomzoom
>>58455389Nah eat shit
>>58455603>The game is objectively just fucking shit.In what way? Describe what's wrong with the game.
>>58455389This will not satisfy the fanbase
the user score is too high
>>58455389Why is this getting hit so hard in reviews?
>>58455742It's a tokusatsu reference
>Like with ZeldaThe Zelda series has been infighting for over 20 years anon. Even moreso now with BotW and Totk.
>>58455748kek
>>58455389>There's a big divide between the pokemon fanbase with people who prefer good games and people who prefer shit games so they should waste time and budget making shit gamesNo thanks.
>>58455389no thanks tendie cuck
>>58455569>The Pokemon Company gives their devs the budget of an indie game and expects AAA results.This is so true. Scarlet and Violet's budget was $21.8 million. According to leaks Wave and Wind have a budget of 20 million. In comparison Breath of the Wild's budget is an estimated 100 to 120 million. It needed to sell 2 million copies to break even. By that math Pokemon only needed to sell about 400 thousand copies to break even. It sold 26.79 million copies. No Pokemon game has sold sub 500 thousand copies. WIth the exception of third versions, no mainline Pokemon game or remake has sold sub 12 million copies. So Gamefreak is clearly fucking cheap and retarded. Where is this money going?There's no hard numbers but Xenoblade by comparison has an estimated budget of 70 million from what I can find.
>>58455569i mean it's clearly been working since you niggers keep fucking buying them
>>58455838I don’t, I stopped at alola
>>58455922MISTAH MERRIKUWHY ARE DEY STIRR COMPRAINING
>>58455922I get that it's Joe Merrick but the game is very obviously getting review bombed, almost every user review is by an account with no other reviews on it
>>58455389>ONE CITYWTF were they thinking
>>58455954ONE CITYI DONT KNOW WHY
>lower user score than both SV and SWSHlol, lmao even
>>58455922>sighWhy does this sadden him? Does he hold Nintendo or TPCi equity?
All i wanted was a sequel to Arceus with more towns and stuff to do.Instead I got an entire game in a city that plays nothing like PLA
>>58456004He knows he will get bugs up his anus
>>58455389Pokemon based in 1 city goes against a key aspects of all mainline games, exploration This could be done decently if they did a full underground area and allowed the player to enter every building It's hard to feel immersed in the city when pokemon are forced into awkward locations
>>58456007WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHBAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW
>>58456051>Pokemon based in 1 city goes against a key aspects of all mainline games, explorationthe city has more exploration than unova
>>58456054This is what shills have been reduced to.
>HGSS still the best You can’t top them!
>>58456063IT HAS DIFFERENT MECHANICS FROM WHAT I WANTEDDDDDDWAAAAAHHHHMOMMMYYYYYYYYYYWAAAAAHUHUHUHUHUHNOOOOOOO
>>58456060I can enter into more buildings in BW's big City than in ZA
>>58456080>>58456060>>58456054The absolute state of Nintendo shills, did they outsource that to India as well?
>>58455569>indie budget>millions of dollars
>>58456089IT WUSN'T THE MECHANICS FROM THA OTHER GAME*SNIFFLE HIC*MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>58456004>can't tell whether a game is good or not because people who already decided it's the worst thing ever and people who already decided i's the best thing ever before they even touched the game have turned the reviews into a battleground that they'll both probably forget about in a year
>>58456085sorry I didn't realize we're living in your fanfic land where building interiors are literally the only kind of exploration that can exist
>>58456124Unova has a full region to explore, what does legends Z-A have besides a city you can roam around in 6 minutes
>>58456094It certainly is not a triple A or even a double A budgeted game either. 20 million dollars is hardly appropriate for the scope of a Pokemon game. Palworld, a high-budgeted Indie game, in comparison was $6.75 million dollars.
>>58456137High quality animations.
>>58456137>Unova has a full region to explore,and it somehow has less exploration than a single city
>>58456155Sure anon, sure
>incompetent devs somehow luck their way into an incredibly successful franchise with fans that will never criticize them everWhy does this keep happening?
>>58456114And why would that emotionally impact a grown ass man?
The main game is OK-ish, like a 7 outta 10. Some characters are definitely likable, and there are decent side missions. The post game is just garbage-tie, full of repetitive grinding and basically no stories. I regret pre-ordering the DLC now.
>>58455922The term review bomb has tremendously impacted society in a negative way that’ll will take generations to recover from.
>>58455922Review bomb=i don't like that other people think it's trash
I've come to the conclusion that gamefreak makes ugly, underwhelming and lazy games on purpose. Would they make a good game, it would create a new standard onwards as to what a pokemon game should be. Instead, they just keep on churning low quality trash because fucking idiots will keep buying it anyways.
>>58455922Didnt happen to PLA
>>58456294It’s funny how one good modern entry can just destroy the “the fans will never be happy!” Narrative. And it makes the shills seethe so goddamn hard.
No, there's a big divide between the onbsessed manchildren who can't accept Pokémon will not suddenly start taking 5+ years between games, create teenaged, "mature" plots or go for a rating other than CERO A and the rest of the fanbase, who dont sit on the internet crying over the game, but buy them, play them and move on (and us weird fuckers who are not bothered in the slightest in the price of games or the fidelity of the world presented).
>>58455922>le sighI fucking hate this autistic cunt>>58455946It’s so bad that people feel obligated to give it a review.
>>58456288I think that they just don't want to share profit with Nintendo but know Pokemon is what pays the bills so they just kind of keep the budget for Pokemon super low to keep the profits higher on their end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0r-Kap8kWIThis shows Game Freak is capable of making a game that looks good. ZA's budget was 13 million. Your average AA game is 30 to 70 million and your average AAA game is 100 to 200 million dollars in budget. ZA doesn't come close to either. Nor does Gen 10, Gen 9, or Gen 8. Game Freak is still operating on handheld-tier budgets with console expectations. And I know people always talk about how they sell anyway but with budgets this low all they need to do is clear 200-300 thousand copies and they're in the clear and even flop games can manage those sales so it doesn't even matter if you boycott.
Its wild that there's absolutely no downside to just wandering around with a team full of megas, great funThe talk of low budget really makes you think of what they could make if they really wanted to though
>>58455389theres no divide, the games are getting worse each year and are shit. nintendo defense force are the only ones saying positive things, they dont even like pokemon.
The people who defend the state of modern Pokémon are like women who rate 6/10 in attraction - and semi regularly get fucked by Chad while holding on to the delusion that the relationship between them is a supportive and loving oneChad/thePokemonCompany need only text once a month so he can tell the girl/pokefan to take them to the movies/buy the gameBeing in her luteal phase of the month/sentimental cycle of nostalgia - the woman/pokefan overwhelmed by tingles - trips over themselves to cancel all of their plans to make the date happen and they gladly pay any amount asked of chad/thePokemonCompanyAfter the movie/purchasing the new slop, Chad/thePokemonCompany proceeds to sodomize the woman/pokefan in theater parking lotChad/thePokemonCompany - is further empowered/disgusted by the stark absence of self respect from the girl/pokefanThe woman/pokefan ends up having to call an UberOn the ride back home - anus still pulsating/throbbing - the girl/pokefan daydreams and reminiscences about all the goofy goober adventures chad/thePokemonCompany has provided/ass pulled for themThe dumb slut/pokefaggot - exhausted - passes out on the bed satisfiedBut not before creating an account for the user media rating website - Metacritic - and rating Pokémon Legends Arceus a 10/10
>>58456807This is just your cuck fetish
>>58456822A fetish/state of mind that is likely shared by modern Pokémon fans - yes I agree with you non
>>58455821Actually for 20-30 millions you need 1m to break even. Botw probably had the double of that budget, but that’s it. It’s funny how no one notices Japanese game developing costs are nowhere near American’s, and they also have a shit value.
>>58456004Sort of. If people stop playing pokemon people will stop using his site, and he'll lose money.
>>58455389How I'd fix pokemon.Fans have shown after swsh that the pokemon don't matter, remove them all keep a select few.The human characters all have the most effort placed into them Gamefeak clearly likes them much more, so they will be the major focus.Now make it a dating sim where you romance all the characters in this franchise.Slap Cynthia's bare feet on the boxart and bam instant profit.
fo... pointo... faivo... mistah merriku...
we did it, reddit
When the games were only 2D, people kept begging them to do 3D. I don't think people would enjoy going back.
the only metric that matters is salesi can guarantee you most people in the real world are goy cattle who see something with the nintard logo on it and flock towards it like a pajeet attracted to a pile of shitwait a couple days to see the headlines "latest pokeslop is highest selling" "new pokeslop makes record sales" " nintardo breaks their own record with the new pokeslop"
>>58459745this, unironicallyit's no surprise that modern pokemon fans are just brown spicjeet pedophile/furry gooners who couldn't care less about the diminishing standards of the gamesjust make a shitty dating sim with all the human characters and some notable mons like vaporeon, kirlia, lucario, etc that these freaks love to fap their tiny brown cocks off to
>>58455922The review bombing in question:
>>58459953Its selling 40% below Pokemon Legends Arceus.
>>58460004review bombing always goes both ways though, there's literally always people trying to fight back against it
>>58460004OH NO NO NO NO NO
>>58459921pokemon is a huge franchisein the same way that some people prefer the 2D mario games to the 3D ones the same applies to pokemonBDSP sales prove their is a market for both
>>58456004His whole personality and livelihood is invested in Pokemon. So of course he’s going to defend and shill for it. Even when it’s so obvious how bad the new games are.
>>58456004It's not sad. It's tiresome. It's people not actually engaging in discussion or constructive criticism, it's just people jumping on new bad thing because funny.Some people want to discuss the games while recognising their flaws but instead of being able to discuss it, 90% of discourse is people who had no interest anyway going "HAHAHA CITY IS ONE BIG MODEL" or other misinformation because dogpiling is funny to people.It's tiresome and annoying, as is all hyper negativity (and before your retarded ass misreads that, I specifically said HYPER negativity. Some negativity in general is healthy as it promotes good criticism, which GF needs.)
>>58460234Yeah, there’s definitely a trend of people being overly negative towards this game when it’s arguably the best pokemon game on the switch (a low bar, but it’s something). Wish SV got this level of hate instead.But on the other hand there’s people who refuse to see what flaws the game does have and treat it like it’s a masterpiece when it’s obviously not.Through my experience of playing it for free on emulator I’d give it a 6.5/10. Pretty solid, but there’s still a lot of work to be done. A decent postgame with repeatable content akin to the battle frontiers of old would do wonders.
>>58460287Not that anon but agree with them. It's not perfect but I think there's too many people acting like they're reading a script where ZA has worse issues than SV and they just refusing to go off script in the face of an actual improvement.
The only reason ZA is being criticized is because your pathetic little brains can’t handle a game that doesn’t have good graphics.
>>58455821BotW didn't have a 100m budget. Metroid Prime 4 is the first Nintendo game to crack 100m, and that's owing to it hemorrhaging money under Bandai and being restarted. Retro's budget was almost certainly less than Bandai's, putting it closer to the budget of 2 Pokemon games.
>>58455389It's got nothing to do with linearity. Sword and Shield were also shit
ZA is complete garbage
>>584602341 bug has been deposited into your anus
If reviews like “yeah, the graphics are outdated, the story isn’t very good and there is still voice acting but I had FUN so it’s 10/10 :)” are valid, then so are the 1/10 reviews who genuinely think the game is shit
>>58455569But anon,they get AAA results. In terms of sales.
>>58455742General anti-nintendo sentiment in the air. This is unirocally our best shot to change Pokémon for the better.
>>58461150I guess ultimately that's all upper management cares about.
>>58455603>downgrade from PLA>this game has a 4.3 user score>PLA has an 8.0 user scoreAnd I don't disagree with you on the premise that PLA is actually a slog once you get down to the brass tax of it - whether I end up thinking ZA is better comes down to how much the online battle scene can stay afloat and how I feel a month or so after letting the main story and gameplay settle. I think what makes me mental is how this game's getting nailed hard with bad reviews, but then the previous Legends game, which by all accounts ran worse and had a more repetitive gameplay loop with zero postgame or multiplayer longevity to speak of, is regarded as the best and most beloved of the Switch generation. It just makes the complaints feel unserious to me, and I believe a good chunk of it is a post-Palworld, post Switch 2 Nintendo-hatred hivemind going on - it's fine to be critical of the game, but don't handwave away the thing that came before it on a critical level because it was a heckin' cool Breath of the Wild but Pokemon game.
>>58455389There is a big divide between the pokemon fanbase. There's the original fans whose opinions matter, and then all the zoomers who came after who aren't actually people and don't need to be pandered to. Which side are you on, Anon?
That critic score is perfectly reasonable.
>>58461297PLA didn't run worse. It was a locked 30 just like this game. Repetitive gameloop is more just down to taste, personally I like both games so I don't get that complaint for both ZA and Arceus. A lot of your argument boils down to just not valuing a lot of what people liked about Arceus. The single player focus, the 3D safari zone aspect of the gameplay, the setting and atmosphere. ZA hate is overblown though I agree. But I think a lot of it is just a product of both people struggling financially more than ever, as well as the internet lacking nuance more than ever too
>>58461297I think that legends having the gameplay loop it did was for people like me that really just hate they've been downgrading the collection aspect for a halfassed battle system that has always been shit. Catching the same pokemon 100 times is no different than mashing a to KO the same pokemon a 100 times at the end of the day for me. At least with legends the chance of failure in the gameplay loop was small rather than non existent.
>>58455641They don't know because they didn't play it, the youtuber they idolize just told them to say that after also not playing it.
>>58461381That's fair, a lot of it does come down to taste and personal preference, but I do think there's some merit to the game running worse, I still remember there being long load times, glitches, and weird collision and junk early on in the game's lifespan, like that one with the guy's collar that kept growing and making the system slow down, and Shiny Giratina's signature move crashing the game completely. I hadn't seen any major glitches or oddities in ZA yet personally, and load times have been very quick, but I did see a guy falling through the floor in an unloaded texture zone, so either he unlocked the secret Mega Darkrai event early, or there still is palpable hiccups the game can have.
>>58456807sure thing, incel
>>58461297>brass tax
>>58455389You will never be a kid again.
>>58455569>The Pokemon Company gives their devs the budget of an indie gameGame Freak owns the Pokémon Company
>>58455389The “big divide” is people with standards vs people with no standards what so ever.
>>58462478Wow I didn't realize Game Freak was an ESOP that's awesome.
>>58461150AAA sales.... Anon... better saying FOTM Indie game sales.
>>58461486gamefreak will never make a good game again
