>the criticisms against Z-A is so forced and overblownDo Game Freak cocksuckers have any argument for why that is other than "I'm having so much fun!" or "it's a game for children"?
What other argument do I need
>>58482425No one needs to justify anything to you you nobody faggot
>>58482428Explain why it's worth its price. Flappy bird is fun too.
>>58482437>No one needs to justify anything to youKEKIs this the new cope?
>>58482438it has meganium in it
>>58482438There's nothing objective about videogame pricing, it's all based on demand. Pokémon is an established brand, you are paying for that. Simple as that.Video games are an experience good, and all experience goods have subjective value. This is the most basic of basics in economy.
>>58482438Its worth the price if you like it, it doesn't if you don't. Really simple concept to understand and the reason why I regret buying cheap games I didn't like, because even if I played Hollow Knight for 13 hours, I just don't understand it, and I consider my money wasted.
>>58482443tf does that have to do with you as a consumer?! >it's okay to buy overpriced garbage because the market allows that
>>58482455>buy 1000$ game>enjoy it>"worth it"
>>58482463this but unironically
>>58482463>get gang raped in the ass>enjoy it>"worth it"GF cocksuckers in a nutshell
>>58482438It’s probably worth the money but I pirated it just in case if it were bad so I wouldn’t get people screaming “you bought it anyway huehuehuehue *digs in butt*”
>>58482455Nta but I agree fwiw. I mostly limit what I buy to what I know I'm gonna like. And I feel I get my money's worth. I'll try new things once in a while thanks to demos. But it's more about the utility I get from an experience than the price to me. And that's subjective
>>58482470this but unironically
>>58482471>It’s probably worth the moneyPlease explain how you came to this conclusion what you've seen
>>58482455This.All arguments about "the game is not worth it because X" or "the game is not worth it because Y" are rooted in logical fallacies. Worth is subjective, so everyone's opinions have equal value. When people ask for arguments as to "why this game is worth a certain amount of money" it is an impossible question, as it demands to find objectivity in something that is entitely subjective. And when people tell you that you are wrong for thinking a certain game is worth it, it is just a bias (my idea of worth is superior to your idea of worth).For example: >>58482456's argument is, at its core, "because the game is overpriced garbage to (me), it is overpriced garbage (objective judgment), and therefore you are justifying the purchase of overpriced garbage". Prove to me that the game is objectively garbage (to me) and I'll agree. But you can't do that, because that's impossible. Your question of "explain why it's worth the price" is meaningless, stupid, and assumes the infallibility of your own judgments.
>>58482476I’m talking about used copy btw I don’t think there’s any game that’s worth 60 dollars except for like metaphor or final fantasy >Pokemon animations are great>taking pictures w/ Pokemon are fun>the ZA royale is extremely fun >being able to mega evolve in the overworld is cool and walking with them feels sick>characters are cool, I like Urbain and Lebanne a lot>daytime is pretty fun >hunting for alphas is fun, I’m trying to get an alpha fenniken atmThe only flaws I have with it are that the story could be better and the Kalos starter’s Megas are locked behind online but I cheated them in so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>58482498I agree but I would add the graphical aspect still, especially since we have good textured environments in the game like sewers and interiors
>>58482481> >>58482456's argument isThat wasn't an argument. Are you retarded?
>>58482507What is it then? A factual statement that you cannot disagree with..?
>>58482507">it's okay to buy overpriced garbage because the market allows that"This is an argument directly replying to what I was saying, even if it's phrased as a strawman mocking my point............
>>58482512It's paraphrasing the other anon >>58482443's argument that the price is worth it because the market said so
>>58482481Bingo. In the same way that I likely find girls that you don't cute and vice versa. Some of us like certain things. Value and appeal is subjective when it comes to nearly anything where you have to make a choice of some kind.
>>58482425frognigger
I've been enjoying it but I fully admit it has outdated and rushed graphics, should have voice acting, is overpriced, and has some janky gameplay.
>>58482498How much does a used copy cost?
>>58482481Not to mention you can talk like that about anything. "You should buy a car, it will be worth it! You'll be everywhere in seconds" It is not because we have good working pedestrian infrastructure and public transport in Europe."Why did you waste your money on this fancy bread making machine? Just buy it from the store" Because I like freshly baked bread and I like to experiment with it. "Why don't you buy a gym membership? Moving is healthy you know?" I know and I know I can move without gym, I can stretch I can run I can push-up and I can go to the local park that probably has some horizontal bars for me to pull up on. I don't want to be visibly muscular or strong."Why are you going to a fancy restaurant, you just waste money on food that won't fill you up" I want to eat tasty food in a good looking environment to satisfy my bougie need, not to mention that not everything that's "unfilling" you won't "fill" me.This was my straw man talk, thank you for attention
>>58482498that's it? seriously?
People can shit on the game all they want I'm just tired of reading about the budget
>>58482481>Prove to me that the game is objectively garbage (to me) and I'll agreeIt's been proven a million times and the response IS ALWAYS "but I'm having so much fun". Have you even read the OP?'>>58482568you mean the price?
>>58482438Ah yes, the Silksong fallacy
>>58482590Nta but what does that mean
>>58482599Anon doesn't know how to respond and started making up fallacies
>>58482522No, the point is that there's no objective value to video games, what value you get out of each is subjective. So to say what one is "worth" along the lines of objective quality is silly.Yeah Pokemon is probably more expensive than it should be in a perfect world. But in such a world you'd have to pay 5000 bucks for Slay the Spire so it's a pretty good deal for the consumer.
>>58482455>I played Hollow Knight for 13 hours, I just don't understand itYou "don't understand" platform mechanics? Is this why my simple Mon games always have three hour tutorial intros?
>>58482535Could’ve sworn I saw someone sell it for like 30~40 bones. Guess they already copped it, there’ll probably be more of them after this month>>58482558Eh, I suppose, I’m not much of a critic or a Pokemon superfan, I just got this game just so I can use Delphox in a game that’s not sv
Z-A is not worth it because>very small and monotonous world (unlike previous games)>no ridable pokemon or bikes (unlike previous games)>no rollerskates (unlike previous games)>shittier gameplay than legends arceus (a previous game)>no interesting battle facilities (unlike previous games)>no breeding (unlike previous games)>shittier side quests than previous games>no pokemon amie (unlike previous games)>clearly unfinished (not unlike previous games)>etc...Z-A is worth it because>"it's just fun...">"heh... you just made a logical fallacy there, bud">"stop harassing me reeeee"
Z-A is worth it because>very big and unique world (unlike previous games)>new megas (unlike previous games)>real time battles (unlike previous games)>better gameplay than legends arceus (a previous game)>interesting battle zone(unlike previous games)>no breeding (unlike previous games)>better side quests than previous games>pokemon cafes (unlike previous games)>clearly finished (unlike previous games)>etc...Z-A is not worth it because>"it's just bad..">"heh... you just made a logical fallacy there, bud">"stop harassing my youtuber opinions reeeee"
>>58482673you could make a list like this about every single pokemon game>inb4 yeah they all suck
>>58482684Better gameplay than arceus is subjective. But the game is good
>>58482481Jew os Scammer Indian, call it.
>>58482684>>big and unique worldstopped reading here
>>58482443Then ratings by virtue are useless by this logic considering they change nothing but stroke the reviewers ego.
>>58482481>Dealership is selling car for $2,500,000>It’s used, constantly breaks down, has an entire door missing, and the dealership installed a metal rod that gets jammed in your ass while driving>”But I’m having so much fun!”The price of things matter and objective quality matters too. If a company is doing “well prices are subjective” type shit, it’s called a fucking scam.ZA objectively is a terrible unpolished game and there is objective evidence for it. The one singular city is 1 entire model, there is bump maps on the buildings where there are multiple broken textures, NPCs pop in far closer than they should, and people are even falling through the floor by simply running around.If ZA was made 100% the same but with an entire different brand and copyrights, absolutely everyone would be shitting on it. But because it’s Nintendo/Pokemon, being less competently made as Sonic 06 gets you free passes.
>58482684holy mother of all bait kek
>>58482783>The one singular city is 1 entire modeljust for one cutscene. everything else you said is correct though.
>>58482743Well yeah. Reviews and ratings are a reflection of the reviewer's experience, and they change nothing about the game itself. It's why I can make a list of things to criticize X game, and someone can make a list of things to praise it. Reviews are inherently biased because everyone experiences things differently.Is there a point to reviewing a painting? You can describe the painting, you can describe your experience with the painting, you can describe how that painting makes you feel... but you can't describe how the painting will make someone who hasn't seen it feel.
>>58482783>ZA objectively is a terrible unpolished game and there is objective evidence for it. The one singular city is 1 entire model, there is bump maps on the buildings where there are multiple broken textures, NPCs pop in far closer than they should, and people are even falling through the floor by simply running around.that doesnt make it terrible a few graphical issues because gf are shit doesn't make the game any less enjoyable to play
>>58482498>taking pictures w/ Pokemon are funphoto taking was way better in plza and sv imo
>>58482783Your post was already debunked several times.
>you said one (1) thing wrong therefore your entire argument has already been deboonked
Why do youtube parroters always project their homosexual urges into everything?>hurrdurr metal rod in your ass haha Make it make sense.
>>58482827>Taking photos in PLZA is more fun than in PLZABased retard
>>58482863sorry meant pla kek i took a bunch of nice pics of my mon there you cant do that well in this game because they follow you
>>58482783I'm not saying the game is perfect, I agree it has flaws. But the metaphor you're using with the car is disingenuous, because the car you're describing is flawed in a way that actively puts you in danger by using it and it is built so poorly that you cannot use it. You can play Z-A just fine, the issues it has are mostly aesthetic and not game breaking, and it does not put your life in danger like the car you described. It's completely hyperbolic lolWhat I'm saying is simply that even if a game has flaws, the worth of the game depends on the person. That's about it. I don't understand how this is such a difficult concept to grasp, if people buy things then those things were worth it to them. It is not a moral standpoint, it is nothing more than basic economics.I'm not saying this applies to you, but even if you only buy it because of "obligation" (it's a Pokémon game, I like the franchise even if I'm disillusioned with its current state) by buying the game you are agreeing that "the Pokémon brand makes a game that I believe to be unpolished worth it". The act of buying is equivalent to a statement that what you are buying is worth it to you at the time of purchasing it, even if you end up disliking the product or regretting it on retrospective.
>>58482874is that a balloon?
you couldnt do this in plza
>>58482819>Few graphical issueslol
>>58482860nigga what
>>58482901True, it's actually 0.
Oh it was just sharty invading again. Figures.
>>58482902Anon is craving GF's cock again and is projecting that feeling onto others
>>58482685The difference with all those other games and this one is that there isn't such a clear divide. So clearly it's doing things wrong or it would be more universally enjoyed. I have not seen one defense for this game that isn't "but its fun". You could say Sonic games are fun but a lot of those are janky as fuck and not what I would call high quality
>>58482913It is universally loved doe.
>>58482882>plassfag is making xhis own blacked memescant make this shit up. chadlos wonned
>>58482913Sonic Chronicles was fun, ironically the same one the autistic fanbase cries over too.
>>58482910see >>58482673>"stop harassing me reeeee"That's where you are currently
>>58482915user score and most youtube reviews would say otherwise. You could say thats a very vocal minority sure, but even the first Legends doesn't have that disconnect. Whenever polls were given for people's favorite switch entry PLA would always be at the top
>>58482918i actually like za more just saying pla was better for taking pictures
>>58482926LGPE and SWSH are such strong contenders so PLA being top 5 Switch games is a huge deal surely.
>>58482438I have the money for it therefore why should I care? Maybe try getting a job and you'll understand.
It's hard to take Pokemon haters seriously when the vast majority of the people who do it state things that are factually wrong and that would be obvious to them if they did even like three seconds of research (eg the "whole city is one model" bullshit).Note that "Pokemon haters" are distinct from simply people who criticize the game. Criticism is good and healthy. You calling anyone who says the game is fun a cocksucker is not criticism, it's you being a child.
>>58482939The state of youtube reviews
>>58482939>"whole city is one model"See >>58482846You're fulll of shit that you detected ONE thing wrong in that >>58482783 and because of that the whole argument is invalid. And you're the one who keep bringing up logical fallacies over and over again.
Been like 100 years since PLZA launched and people STILL believe the 1 model thing.
>>58482943He's spitting fucking facts.
>>58482438Paid 60 bucks for it got 60 hours of fun out of it, best mongame in over a decade.
>>58482939You are a cocksucker because you defend an objectively overpriced unfinished piece of trash and call everyone who does criticize the game a "pokemon hater".
>>58482958All wrong btw.
>>58482960You're an autistic fucking faggot who needs Pokemon to be shielded from genuine and valid hatred because it's your comfort franchise and for you to accept it as genuinely shit is to invalidate the only thing in life you find sacred thus tearing your psyche apart. We both love Pokemon but you are different as your Asperger's ruins your critical thinking skills and standards - or something like that.
>>58482804Why do you claim its not the case? We're supposed to just believe you because? What kind of knowledge do you have on that?
>>58482971>genuine hatredNo such thing.
>>58482948There are multiple examples. It's just the most blatant and obvious one. I still see people complaining the series is fucking linear, man. And don't give me that "I don't", because trust me, I'm as baffled that they're that unaware too, but it happens.Once again, I do not believe the games are immune to criticism. That's why I specifically made a distinction. It's also why I said "it's hard to take them seriously", not "there is no criticism to be made".>>58482958> and call everyone who does criticize the game a "pokemon hater".I literally said the exact opposite in the post you're responding to. It's right up there but I'll repeat it for you>Note that "Pokemon haters" are distinct from simply people who criticize the game. Criticism is good and healthy. Like I very specifically, VERY specifically did NOT call everyone who criticizes the game a Pokemon hater.
>>58482971holy fuck anon...you didn't have to eviserate him like that...
>>58482972because the person who found that the entire city was just one model said so>>58482975See >>58482939 calling others "pokemon haters". Again with the "stop harassing me reeeee" responses from GF cocksuckers.
>>58482939Agree. Same for the glazing too. Praise is fine, glazing isn't
>>58482975Jews, Jeets, pedophiles, rapists, ect.
>>58482978Blatant samefag is blatant
>>58482971HOLY TRVKLEAR BOMB
>>58482985We don't sign our posts here btw.
>>58482939Why are you claiming the city being one model is false and why should we take what you say seriously when you dont back it up ?
>>58482498>Pokemon animations are greatmega heracross, a forced gift mon everyone will get, shoots pin missiles from his mouth instead of using the dedicated animation they make entirely for that move. quality>taking pictures w/ Pokemon are funstraight downgrade from LA, only being able to see the whole squad that a shit angle sat at a bench sucks >>daytime is pretty funit speaks volumes when you scrape the bottom of the barrel this hard
>>58482987stop with the redditspeak
>>58482977>I still see people complaining the series is fucking linear, man.You're responding to that anon or someone else? Because that specific anon never said anything about the game being linear.>I very specifically, VERY specifically did NOT call everyone who criticizes the game a Pokemon hater.Then what kind of criticism do you want? Should we get prior approval from Nintendo and Game Freak before giving criticizing the game so that we don't sound like "pokemon haters"? Why is literally every criticism we make is somehow invalid to you?
>>58482982And who's that persob who found that the enture city was just one model? Wasnt that confirmed by multiple data miners? You cant just make empty claims and take whats convenient for you from one person... even if thats the case doesnt that make the choice of have flat boxes for building even worse? I dont believe its the own you think
>>58483000Because I actually played the video game.
>>58482971>we both love Pokémon but you are different as your Asperger's ruins your critical thinking skills>"NOOOO YOU HAVE NO CRITICAL THINKING">"YOU OBVIOUSLY ONLY PLAY POKÉMON AND NEED TO DEFEND IT">"THE ONLY REASON YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME (i have critical thinking skills btw :3) IS BECAUSE YOU ARE AUTISTIC/DUMB/INSANE/DELUSIONAL EEEEEEE"lol i love the state of you people, never change
>>58483021I'm assuming you're just being intentionally annoying about this now so I'll just say that maybe constantly calling people cocksuckers does not make them interpret what you're saying as reasonable criticism
>>58483029All of that is completely true and accurate. You are a hylic, a no-soul, you have no critical eye nor taste. You are a spiritual normie.
Every criticism you make has been debunked multiple times like the 1 city model. You just have nothing left.
>>58482960Anon, does it look like a game that's worth $100 to you? I'm talking about the overall product. Compare it to other games in that price range and how they look or how much content they offer. You and I both know that without the Pokemon label this would rightfully be considered a 6/10 experience at best
>>58483042You dumbass retards will never take the Pokemon dick outta your mouth so what's the point?
>>58483047To me? Yeah. I can get 300 hours easily out of this just like from PLA. I got Doom 2016 for 60 euros and played it for 7 hours, that was probably not worth it to me.
>>58482971imagine being this mad because youre too retarded to pirate and too poor to buy the game
>>58483047Not that anon, but yes it does. I have 50 hours in it so far and am still doing basic completionist stuff like Pokedex and post-game Infinite Royale. I enjoyed what it did new with the series. Definitely think the city would have benefited from more detail and variance, but otherwise I've found it to be well worth the money for me.
>>58483024>I dont believe its the own you thinkuhhh... who exactly do you think I am trying to own here?
Anons, this is the truth of the matter.We all grew up enjoying Pokemon, no matter our tastes/desires/interests etc. It was like crack, dope and heroin all rolled into one. That's why so many other companies spent millions of dollars trying to crack that formula.As you age, there are some people who develop taste - a critical eye. An appreciation of art. Most people do not.What we have here is simple. Anons with taste are constantly upset with the state of the franchise cannot simply let go (thanks to the aforementioned heroin addiction) and those without dictate what the series is, as they will accept any sloppa Game Freak and co. will shit out until the end of time.The reality is that we (the ones with taste) need to let go of this beggotten franchise and leave it to the tasteless beggars, waiting for their next morsel. The lion does not concern himself with the diet of sheep.
poeple lke shit games ? pokemon go showed it
>>58483073You are still here doebeit.
>>58483073fuck you man
>>58483078true, but I am merely offering my analysis - like I said, drug addict.
>>58483025How does that prove the city isnt the same model? Why didnt data miners found more detailled models and for each buildings? So you dont know shit, see a map of the city at scale and think its proof? Someone on this thread said that the same person who found this also claims its not the case when its not one person who discovered it. You cant tell me you find the city more detailled than that when its different textures applied to the same surfaces
>>58483086>>58458592
>>58483042>"stop harassing me reeeee": The PostAnswer, cocksucker, what kind of criticism is valid to you?
>>58483094>what kind of criticism is valid to you?Attempt to communicate what you dislike about the game without attempting to insult an individual in the process.
>>58483073Damn...it really do be like that...
>>58483104If I wanted to that I'd do it in real life not on 4channel faggot
>>58483104>without attempting to insult an individual in the process.That's exactly what "stop harassing me reeeee" that I keep repeating is. Calling everyone who criticizes the game a "raider" or a "hater" or whatever instead of actually answering question or responding to arguments.Again, how kind of criticism is valid. Answer.
>>58483133ignore the typos pls
saar how kind saaar
>>58483133I did answer, you moron.Communicate what you dislike about the game without insulting people. That's literally it. That kind of criticism is valid. This is not a hard concept to grasp.Literally try it right now. Attempt to communicate a negative opinion about the game without insulting someone.
>can't make any valid criticism>can't typehaterxisters....
>>58483156>"stop harassing me reeeee"Sure, keep deflecting and repeating that ad nauseum.
Only one repeating that is you doebeit.
>>58483175I actually don't know whether you're being sincere or not. Either you're serious and don't understand that my point is that there are criticisms you could make and they would be valid, you just have to not insult people for people to take those criticisms seriously. Because people do not typically engage in discussions with people calling them cocksuckers.Or you're not serious and are intentionally baiting.Since this is 4chan I'm gonna assume the latter I guess and leave you to it, I have exercise to be doing.
>>58483177That's the one thing you keep repeating doebeit. Whenever you seen arguments like "game lack [x]", you answer with "you're just a [y]". If arguments like that are invalid, then explain which ones are fine.Obviously you'll never do because you're programmed to respond with some variation of "stop harassing me reeeee".
>>58483093Who is this and why should I believe they are the only one to have data mined the game? Sounds more like an excuse to justify the state of the game when the city isnt more complex than that, dont see why the models from the intro and museum cant be the same as the city especially if its to scale.. You realy want to believe gamefreak made multiple models when they are more likely to maje one and scale it for different usage? Why would this one be different than the one we explore in game? If the games looked more complex and detailled maybe but this doesnt disprove it
Notice how he repeated it again. And still no valid criticism.
>>58483207Who are you and why do you believe anyone even datamined it? Why do you believe this game is even out yet? Why do you believe you are real in this reality? Why do you keep making typos?
>>58482650Why does your image look like complete ass
>>58482443>it's all based on demandThis breaks down when the customer base is a brainwashed cult of addicts, not rational consumers looking for the sweet spot of quality and price. Nintendo could charge $1000 for this shovelware and Pokemon fans would still buy it anyway in droves, but that doesn't mean this garbage is actually worth $1000 in any sane universe.
>>58483294This was debunked with spinoff sales.
>>58483215If nobody datamined it then why do you believe that the city isnt one model? Where does this city model comes from?
>>58483327Who says nobody datamined it? Who says theres a model of a city anywhere?
>>58483001mega heracross, a forced gift mon everyone will get, shoots pin missiles from his mouth instead of using the dedicated animation they make entirely for that move. qualityTrue, but for every weird oversight like that, there’s a details like machoke doing a pose that they do in their 2d artwork or all of the Megas having unique animations for posing for the camera.>straight downgrade from LA, only being able to see the whole squad that a shit angle sat at a bench sucksI disagree, besides that being able to make unique poses while taking a photo, there being a zoom in/zoom out feature and you being able to mega evolve your Pokémon and then take pictures with them makes it better in my eyes>it speaks volumes when you scrape the bottom of the barrel this hardEh I consider a world being fun to explore even without battling to be a plus, not to mention the obstacle courses and the side quests
It's ok Z-A bros, time will prove us right, this game will age gracefully. A unique concept and the most immersive pokemon world since the 2d games, easily. I don't understand how anyone can prefer arceus with its shitty crafting system and ugly empty BOTW minimaps. The soundtrack in this game also goes nutso.
>>58482425Most criticisms are valid. I'm having fun with it regardless, but it could be way better.It's like having sex with a guy that has a small penis but he kinda knows how to use it.
I had fun beating the main story, but I'm shocked how quickly I've gone back to living dex grinds in earlier games. I expected myself to put another dozen or so hours in at least
>>58482428A lot more when the Mega Feraligatr looks like a toilet.
>>58483750Nah Arceus is good too, game's only gonna be appreciated more for what it brought to the table as time goes on. I like both
>>58484332nice mega skarmory image
>>58482882You can’t do this in pla
>>58483062>too retarded to pirateYou could say this about the vast majority of people on both sides of the argument
>>58482425>"I'm having so much fun!"serverblight ahh defense
>>58482425>the criticisms against Z-A is so forced and overblownIt kind of is. SwSh and SV didn't get it so bad and they had more issues on the surface. Even political grifters jumped on the Z-A hate train, you should think there's something odd going on here.
>>58484817>SwSh and SV didn't get it so bad and they had more issues on the surface.but they did. and they didn't even have people defending them as much as z-a is being defended right now.>Even political griftersit's just asmongold.the only thing odd here is how z-a was the laughing stock of the internet the first few days after release, and then suddenly there was a massive pushback against the criticism.
>>58484879Its because the criticism is crap and getting in the way of actual discussion. I think that's the real problem. I like angry video game reviews.They are fun and entertaining. But the Z-A hate bandwagon is just bad writing. The reviews are misrepresenting the game, and picking talking points that directly contradict what people are experiencing. So the usual wave of nerds like me that check out angry reviews are going 'wait a sec, that's not right' instead of nodding and laughing when the funny man points out the low res tree.
>>58484635idk i pirated it and bought it pretty happy with my purchase the 60fps on switch 2 is way nicer
>>58483073nah you can still point out all the flaws in the modern games and play them despite the numerous issues they are still fun to play and have the core pokemon feel to them
>>58484528what are you talking about thats a pic i took in pla?
>>58485093Or you could just play the older game, rom hacks, or fan games if you want something fun that has the core Pokémon feel to it. Those cost approximately 0$ to play, and don’t have the numerous issues z-a has.
>>58482971
>>58482971I haven't played Pokemon in ages, still think you're a schizo retard. Almost all criticism on /vp/ for the new games boil down "it's not BW2 I want to play BW2".
>>58486632>Almost all criticism on /vp/ for the new games boil down "it's not a good game I want to play a good game".
>>58484920>instead of nodding and laughing when the funny man points out the low res tree.Why is it funny to laugh at the lowres tree but "not right" to question the multiple building textures that don't align?
>>58483750Arceus has the better soundtrack by far. I prefer ZA but the soundtrack is not on par. The fact that they only used one single theme for the city is more than enough to conclude. Yes the battle themes are good but there should be more than juust battle themes. In fact this is my complaint regarding modern ost in general. The battle themes are good but the overworld themes are entirely sidelines. I geniunely cannot remember a single one from swsh/sv
>>58486774Gen 5 is the most mediocre gen, this is why /vp/ can't be taken seriously.
>>58486797Answer me cowards.
Why does nearly every post praising this game look like it was pulled out of some jouno article or a review, or even straight up written by ChatGPTSeriously the majority of you people praising this sound like someone trying to sell me something
>>58484817It is indeed strange
>>58484817>Even political grifters jumped on the Z-A hate train, you should think there's something odd going on here.Might have something to do with the freakout on /v/ over the UN's Global Goals being a theme/inspiration for the upcoming generation
>>58490188ChatGPT and the likes are specifically trained to come off as positive and be sycophantic to the user. As a result, any positive piece of writing is going to feel like AI.
I just finished the ivor rank up quest. Seriously reminded me of the boring ass post game quests for ORAS and Sword/Shield where you just have to keep fast traveling for quick incremental fetch quests. One of the segments was just fighting Canari again. Why does this game feel so stretched for content??
>>58482425There's a multitude of reasons, but many of them are not specifically tied to Pokémon. The state of discourse around video games has become very negative and toxic in general, and Pokémon became an effigy because it's so incredibly mainstream popular. Negativity get eyeballs, bots dominate everyone's feeds and shape our reality, and the press has been largely gutted to make room for AI which uncritically regurgitates summaries of all the viral nonsense it stumbled upon. Conspiracy theories and misinformation similarly flourish and there aren't many avenues any more to correct it. It also doesn't help that we picked up the bad habit of repackaging any topic as a moral one to justify all this negativity, and drape it in therapy language in an attempt to make it seem reasonable.
>>58490573It's a very particular style of writing too. Like, go to amazon reviews, or any other shopping shit. A HUGE chunk of posts here and on /v/ praising this game look almost the same, word for word, replacing whatever product is being listed with pokemon.It's insane.
>>58490632Or like this post, who the fuck here writes so...formally, like this?These people aren't from here, at best. More likely they're bots or something, or paid shills (Babel Media and the like, or just the usual lot we saw from the site hack at the start of the year)This site is genuinely becoming unusuable with obvious posts like that, and I see every day the mods actively ban people and threads that are much more in line with site culture. That one meme about this place becoming like reddit from over a decade ago really is coming true, and I guess literally all it took was a bunch of sharty underage b&s hacking the place.
>>58490642I just felt like writing formally kek
>>58490642meds NOW
>>58490642The dumbfuck culture propagated by the Internet is why society is more and more enslaved by the rich and powerful, regardless of one's political leanings. It literally takes zero effort to capitalize your text and use some appropriate punctuation. Just as it takes zero effort to question whether something you read online is true or the verbal diarrhea of a retard.
>>58490642Have you tried not being a stupid schizo, perchance?
they definitely aren't overblown>DUDE WHAT IF STARMIE HAD LONGER LIMBS LMAOmega evolutions were a mistake. gayfreak is being the laziest they can possibly be and retards like OP are defending them
>>58490642
>>58490782retard
>>58488135>>58484920Oh it is, but you cant make a 40 minute video essay entertaining with one complaint about misaligned textures. Now if somebody made a video titled all misaligned textures in pokemon a--z and ranked them on a tier list. That would be entertaining.
People be shilling HARD for and against ZA but no one's posting God damn screenshotsThis is from my switch OLED btw, not some dumb emulator shit. Literally just check the fucking filename and take a pic on your own switch to see it's filename is much the same.
Scarlet/Violet, Sword/Shield (DLC has followers) didn't have this fucking issue of your follower pokemon clipping into you
Speaking of the textures from earlier, they look so fucking bad up close like lmaooooooooooooooooooo
>>58490811>>58490821>>58490827Looks good.
btw go find the Pokeball Boutique, the menu they have on the outside of the store renders in front of the player character even at a distance>>58490835kys
My honest reaction to ZA so far
>>58490839That's good too, you can see what they have to offer.
NPC clipping into wallsA shame there's only a 4 mb file limit, I have a ton of videos showing glitches, bugs, awful design choices, all sorts of junk here.>>58490849bot post
Oh no, anyway
Something that'll be lost on most of /v/ and /vp/
>I mean, it's Pokémon. Of course it's gonna lacking in so and sowhen will this retarded argument die already?
What a shithole Lumiose City is, even in-game according to the NPCs themselves Gamefreak absolutely knew how this game was going to turn out, and they rub it in your faceAlso they mock the shit out of the community all over, like with the shiny mareep quest mocking the shit out of shiny hunters, or the odd npcs with bits of dialogue mocking people that made theories about XY, like the "no you're not the one" mystery, there's an npc in the city that mocks people about that, EXACTLY how they did with the battle frontier in ORAS, I'll post a screencap a friend had here next post
>>58490870Also go check out the museum, they give the SHITTIEST ending to what happened with Ingo in PLA
the games rendering distance is so bad its possible for 2 npcs to spawn around you and trap you
Not a bug here, but Lucario is such a fucking monlet lmfao. It's like seeing Leon's charizard up next to him in SwSh
People have been arguing about the games being shit for how many years now? Of course anyone still arguing at this point has ran out of arguments.
>>5849089120 years.
>>58490891I agree. Pokemon games are perfect and game of the year. Anyone posting anything bad about this is just publishing misinformation, and are bad faith actors. Most likely from Russia or China. All those screenshots that retard above posted? Every single one of them must be AI generated. No one else has reported any bugs or anything bad from the game that has actually played, Pokemon Legends: Z-A, buy it now.
>>58490906Every game has bugs anon.
>>58490908Yes, the bug types in Pokemon Legends: Z-A are a fun Pokemon type to play and have fun with!
>>58490911Many are saying this.
>>58490913Indeed, Pokemon Legends: Z-A has sold nearly 6 million copies! A very fun and exciting success!
>>58490917Many are also saying this. Such a good game.
>>58490921Very much so! You should immediately proceed to your approved retailer and purchase your own copy of Pokemon Legends: Z-A today!
>>58490929Millions of people did this.
I have anti-Nintendo, anti-Gamefreak, anti-Pokemon fatigue Yall a bunch of cultists that keep throwing tantrums about Nintendo, Gamefreak, and Pokemon.
>>58482438It's not, the franchise is too big to fail currently
>>58490891This shit is like a rerun of the SwSh release period except this time the game is actually good
>>58482425It is.It should've been like this against ScatVomit which were actual shot games not an actual decent and fun game like za
>>58490976
when the thing that becomes worldwide trend on social media is the pixelated ass of a female character you know this people will buy any new shit for their slop trained brainspokemon fans need to do soul searching,the first thing you noticed in a game about monsters being ass is sickening and gives women the ick
>>58483073This will only tell GameFreak to dish out more slop like this in the future.The consensus is that they are having 'fun' you cannot take that away from people who don't have their eyes open looking at the bigger picture. There's clearly a divide here and one side cannot concede, they see the writing but don't care because they are having 'fun' taking pictures, dressing their dolls, and mindlessly catching pokemon, showing friends, and trading to finish the dex until something happens online, if they even have online.I personally played it until rank C, honestly thought i saw some sort of improvement, then just gave up because it was so monotonous just like in PLA and sometimes that's enough for people. But others see the writing on the wall as GF will continue to dish out more subpar environments barely put together, more static npcs, they will continue to give us the bare minimum; Mediocrity-slop until something changes and people are just content with the bare-minimum and the sales shows. It's their fault that the future is held together by the people enmass who just don't know any better. because they are having fun. GF made the core game 'fun' with not caring about everything else. I am among the criticizers who just want GF to polish their shitty games for me to enjoy it, why can't we have seasons? just rain for one singular pokemon to level up (Sliggo) Why cant we have Sky battles? Pokeball stickers to compliment dressing your character, surely PLAZ fixed in the right areas can achieve this Why settle for less?We get what we deserve. The sales shows, people have spoken and or just don't care because their fun supersede criticism.
>>58482684>very big and unique worldyou didnt even play the game saying something like that.>better side questslol.lmao.even.They are all either follow a mon around / lead a mon around, battle someone who tells you exactly what strategy they will use against you, or bring a mon to the quest giver. Every single fucking one.>clearly finishedthe post game screams otherwise. >etc...kek
Why do people think ZA is literally unplayable garbage like SV?
>>58492892Youtubers told them.
>>58486442Z-A also costs 0$ to play.
>>58492889Really can't stress enough how true this post is, tried to give it another shot doing sidequests and oh my god it is awful. I think the Slurpuff one was one of the few I liked. It's just a mediocre 6/10 game for retards who want comfort food or are incapable of playing non-pokemon/nintendo games
>>58492892Literally no one ever says this, ever.
>>58493646Just played BF6 and it was good too.
>>58490870There's an npc near the Dojo mentioning hating the crappy wild areas and wanting real wilderness, and that's when I knew they were rubbing in people's faces the fact "you'll buy it anyway"
I love how this thread has gone insanely out of it's way to act as Gamefreak Internet Defense Force when we have that leaked email from Nintendo outright BEGGING THEM to outsource the games to other studios and Gamefreak rejecting it at every turn, then delivering the lowest effort slop, even downgrading it from the leaked beta version we saw that actually had fully modeled balconies that they removed.Mfs are actually worse than tendies, because Nintendo at least wanted Gamefreak to hand it over to someone that would try.
>>58493678nice fanfic
>>58492892in SV, it's just the lake area that lags like a bitch.In ZA, it's the entire game. >b-b-b-b-b-buh just buy a Switch 2!!!Not until OLED, and ninty knowingly released this game on the Switch 1 as well you fags.
>>58493685???????????????
>trust this xitter post!!!Nah.
>>58493705MEDS, NOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW
>>58493705You are expecting shartytard who just woke up to have genuine responses but thank you for posting proof anon.
What the fuck is wrong with you all
>>58493719meant to reply to >>58493705
>>58493678>give your series to someone elseAre you a cuck?
>>58493736Shills and cuckolds
>>58493678>>58493705your brown
>>58493736Pokemon Derangement Syndrome, i fear.
>>58482439It’s reality
>>58493734The beta version thing I mentioned btw, there should be the beta build floating around somewhere too the freakleak guys finally released it a week before the game came outIt is incredible that people will go into hysterics to defend features and quality being actively taken away from just the beta version like we've been seeing here.
>>58493721>>58493745>>58493754>>58493756>>58493765
>>58490854Guys, is witcher a 3/10 series afyer the first?
>If it had balconies i would def play it!!LOL
>>58493789>save me, png!Cuck.
>>58493789incel
>>58493789digisnoy
>>58493774I do think this requires some context though. The beta version in question IIRC was actually a native PC build. I think it makes sense that they'd have to consider performance when porting the game to what is essentially an overglorified Android tablet that's nearly 10 years old. I think people forget that the Switch is a handheld first and a home console second
>>58493789retard
>>58493794I was going to give Skyrim a 5/10 (worst mainline TES game), but then I realized the buildings had balconies, so now it’s my favorite game ever made.
>>58493789You lost and got raped,,, Eric
>>58490821This is one of my biggest annoyances with how much the pokemon want to be up your ass following you, it's like they saw people hated the SWSH trailing a mile behind mons and instead of fixing it thoroughly, made them stick too close. This actually sucks more than visually, it ruins a lot of camera photo taking and battles as well. Why do pokemon constantly turn back to me after a move when it just wastes time, it makes them look positively spastic? Take a screenshot with alpha scolipede? Good fucking luck, that thing is merging with you unless you have the camera free-fly and even then the mon wants to lock onto the camera facing it so I can't get a good sleeping pic out of it.
>>58493789kek made the shill freak
>>58493804We'll see how that holds up when gen 10 comes out on the Switch 2, I guess.>>58493819In Scarlet/Violet pokemon that failed to keep up with you would always return to their balls.It was horrible for evolving that one pokemon that REQUIRED you to walk with them, there were three of them evenRabscaPawmotBrambleghast
>>58493789Based
>>58482438A regular movie ticket at the theater near me costs $13.50. Assuming that's a 3-hour movie, that means it's $4.50 per hour. That means if I play a video game for more than 13 hours and twenty minutes, a $60 video game is cheaper entertainment per hour. I already have more than that in LZA and I'm not that far into the game.Video games are cheap as hell for what I get out of them (even if I cared, which I don't because I have plenty of money to blow on entertainment). As for why play ZA instead of some other game? I wanted to.
>>58493789>>58493831>>58493848samefag samefag samefag snoy
>>58493789why did this post make them shit their pants?
>>58493863 see >>58493734We're being raided by shartyfags lately because they hacked kiwifarms
>xhe is samefagging xer own posts nowsad
>>58493863>>58493889meds
>>58493889I believe you, seeing the post above. But I don't know what does kiwifarm have to do with 4channel.
>>58482971You don't have to cry like this because someone is enjoying something. Find something else to do because they don't give a shit.
Yeah leave Tencent alone, if they want to copy Pokemon they can!
>>58493930Troonworld lost
>>58493930Kek i knew it was a palsnoy
>>58493930You lost ericsnoy
>>58493789
>>58493930You voted for billionaires
>>58490799>one complaint about misaligned textures.The entire game is filled with misaligned textures. There are buildings where the textures don't line up when you turn the corner.
>>58482428None, you really don't need any other argument, in the same way you don't need to get into the discussion of why the game sucks
>>58482971holy trvke
>>58482425>Do Game Freak cocksuckers have any argument for why that is other than "I'm having so much fun!"I think the realtime battlesystem is a welcome change that makes for a more engaging gameplay loop than traditional turn based battles and I think Gamefreak should be recognized for at least experimenting with a new formula for the franchise and should be encouraged to peruse it going forward, and I also think the graphics are in fact better than SVs and the flat textured windows, while an compromise for what is otherwise incompetent optimization, is far less distracting to me than the godawful terrain and building textures of Scarlet and Violet, and while this is an extremely low bar to set, it did, in my opinion, nevertheless raise the bar from that, and so for whatever my opinions on SV were, I think it's warranted that PLZA be considered in higher regards to that overall.
>>58482425Its a game for children, its budget doesnt need to be high because its more profitable this way. Still sells like crazy. Kids enjoy the game, they are demographic its made for. No one cares if grown autistic men like it or not.
i liked it and im not going to apologize for liking it. if you complain that someone liked a game you didn't there is only one rational response>>58492880suck my dick and balls
>>58482425I mean there is a lot of valid criticism because the game objectively has issues, but there are a bafflingly high amount of autists parading around everywhere on the internet going>ZA is literally the worst game in the entire series, there are literally zero redeeming qualities to it, all of the reviews are paid, and anyone that buys and enjoys the game in any capacity are all brainless gamefreak sheep, and no I did not play the game because anyone that plays the game is badand toxic positivity is usually kickstarted as a kneejerk reaction to toxic negativity, which creates a lovely feedback loop of both sides throwing potshots at anyone with any sort of mixed opinionthat said, the thing about pokemon games is that even when they're shoddily made, the core gameplay loop is entertaining enough for the majority of players to keep people coming back, and while it would be nice for gamefreak to get an actual wake-up call and step up their game for once, that's not going to happen until there's either a viable competitor or the games stop providing enough to entertainment for people to see them as worth giving a chance
>>58497996Cope. The game is perfect, and your just a paid shill from sony
>>58497906Saying its for kids is not an excuse for its quality.
>>58499719Yes it is
