I think one of the biggest reasons gen 1 & 2 are the best is their immersion, for example the learnsets, before gen 3's movebloat the pokemon actually had realistic movesets, for example in GSC your Heracross would use horn attack as its strongest move until its well trained and can use mega horn, in HGSS Heracross gets brick break at level 19. So Heracross, the "Single Horn Pokémon"'s strongest attack is a type of karate chop rather than a lunge with its great horn. It makes no sense. Completely immersion shattering and soulless. And this is just one example, pretty much all Pokemon suffer this fate in gen 3 onwards
here's what numon fans dont understand, pinsir for example is bug type, he is made of bug basically, it does not mean he uses bug offensively, it is his defensive type, while most of his attacks are normal or fighting type, he uses those types but that doesnt mean he is made of those types. in gen 1 a lot of pokemon didnt learn a stab move for one of their types, its because while they may be made of a type defensively it doesnt mean they use that element offensivelyespecially in gen 4 and onward they started doing retarded shit that makes no sense just because "its good", like giving pinsir x-scissor, how tf does pinsir slash in an X? can his horns bend like arms now? this is what i think bred this new generation of retarded pokemon fans who dont think about consistent world building and just want stab on everything because it gives a higher number OHHH GIVE PINSIR X SCISSOR BECAUSE UHHH HIGHH NUMBERS!! in the anime when pinsir uses x scissor its clearly shown that the horns are moving only towards each other, plus it would contradict the move description "The user slashes at the foe by crossing its scythes or claws as if they were a pair of scissors." so pinsir uses its skinny fucking noodle arms in its most powerful move instead of the huge PINCERS on its head? and it cant be the horns because for them to cut an X they have to be able to move independently from each other
>>58488734>>58488735Is it really immersion or are you just this autistic?
>>58488734Yeah it got to the point where they stopped giving a fuck about all that shit kind of like an mmo that keeps updating for years and suffers from power creep and being forced to keep cranking something out. Quality goes down. People who don't get it think it's better because it's more flashy. Shit like that.
>>58488778if movebloat has no effect on immersion then why not give pinsir draco meteor at level 19?
>>58488734I agree OP, gen 3 was a good game with a lot of stuff to do (especially in 3) but they just didn't get it. Especially with designs like Gardevoir which made it a jump the shark moment for me.
>>58488735>like giving pinsir x-scissor, how tf does pinsir slash in an X?honestly they could have gone the direction of just naming it something else to make it more sense but still having basically the same effect and it would have been better. maybe not possible due to memory constraints.
>>58488735>not a copypastayep definitely not a brigade or samefag, no siree
>>58488735>typed a TL;DR from scratch in 39 secondsChatGPT did you write this?
>>58488822the entire post didnt fit in the OP if thats what you mean so i had to split the latter half into a reply. i kept getting "field too long" when trying to post
>>58488822your post feels like you're from a discord as well that grew up with newer pokemon games. might not be true the same way that this isn't a brigade. no one's blaming you for being born later and not experiencing the older games as a kid. but you should at least play them and form your own opinion from experience just like I played all of the newer games so I could actually form my own opinion.
>>58488844>everyone that doesn't agree with me is a zoomer discord faggotand this is why nobody takes you or your threads seriously
>>58488838i wrote the entire thing beforehand and copied it, see >>58488840
>>58488850I didn't make this thread retard. but how old are you?
>>5848885431 and you're a faggot manchild, grow up
>>58488844OP here, i actually started with gen 4 and have the opinions stated in the OP despite that
>>58488850terrible reading comprehension. I was saying it feels like you're from a discord as well and it was implied that op was from a discord with the "brigade" comment. but the reality is that probably neither of us are from discords and there are just different sides.
>>58488734This is objectively bad game design. KYS boomer
>>58488860well you seem extremely angry that someone doesn't agree with you. I can accept that not everyone feels the same way. you however can't and seem to be lashing out like a child. so you might want to take your own advice.
>>58488870why would i be from a discord anyway?
>>58488838Ever heard of a thing called Notepad?
>Johtoboomers be like: ayoooo this is fire
>>58488886because it's a common claim on this board but seems like projection. I don't think you are in a discord by the way.
>>58488888Ah yes, Notepad lets you write 2 long paragraphs to respond to an OP written less than a minute ago. If he didn't come out as a samefag it could easily be seen as targeted shitposting.
>>58488879no its not, you are gifted TM dig early in the story and TM earthquake later, both mandatory
>>58488903He's saying it was a continuation of his post... very obvious unless you're new
>>58488890being ground/flying doesnt necessarily mean you need ground moves by level up, not to mention that you can teach it TMs
>>58488907>I can't read
>>58488903i already told you i wrote the entire thing prior to posting and was unable to include everything in the OP due to the "field too long" error so i split the latter half into a reply
>>58488914you're the one that's lost here
>>58488923>If he didn't come out as a samefag it could easily be seen as targeted shitposting.What do you think this means? Or are you pretending to be retarded to shitpost harder?
>>58488890ts grim...
>>58488734>>58488735Because Gen 1 and 2 are single player monster catching JRPGs first, and competitive multiplayer games second. In Gen 3 they started to move away from this design paradigm and make the games a balance of both. Gen 4 was the first they actually tried to have some pvp balance, and Gen 5 there was an even larger focus on pvp with nerfs and buffs to existing Pokemon through new moves and hidden abilities as well as the fact all of Gen 5's Pokemon have more optimized stats and movepools for competitive. Gen 6 was the first gen they stopped caring about the single player experience and just made a multiplayer game with a single player game mode tacked on, the way a fighting game might have that, and it's been that style of game since.
>>58488930pls leave the low iqlets to their gsc shitpost thread #919238437
>>58488930ok I'm not going to argue with someone who clearly isn't in the right state of mind
>>58488946yep, back to your discord zoomie
>>58488933well said, i agree
>>58488946>you're retarded and can't readWe know.
>>58488952I'm not in a discord. you sound paranoid because you are in one. that's what it comes across as. plus you have yet to understand what OP was saying. I'm defending him because I agree while you are making no sense.
>>58488962>STILL don't get itdude you are embarrassing
>>58488964read this:>>58488918maybe you missed that post?
>>58488964Dude brah i'm like a tranny newfag that was groomed in a discord Tanner ahahahaha
>>58488973i'm not even that poster and understood what he meant>If he didn't come out as a samefag>samefag>i wrote the entire thing prior to posting
Didn’t I see this thread before?
>>58488734>>58488735Autism knows no bounds…
>haha get it? the horn pokemon? his best move is "horn" attack until level 54?i hate gscfags who pander to ideas over execution
>>58488980just explain clearly what you're trying to say. I'm talking about how he was accused of being in a discord and samefagging multiple times when he was splitting one post due to the character limit.
>>58489007You really need it all spelled out for you lmaoGSCkeks are so retarded
>>58489006what exacty is the problem? heracross has 125 attack
>>58489006you can't just say the execution is better because the attack is better. they go hand in hand. this would be a good middle ground:>>58488815but yes a large part of what made gen 1 so popular was the immersion.
>>58489012are you even capable of doing that? because it really sounds like you're saying absolute nonsense and not reading posts.
IP count: 6
>>58488735They hated him for being fpbp
>>58489028numon fans think that higher numbers equals better game, they dont realize that sometimes less is more. its the same reason why they make rom hacks where every single pokemon is stuffed into one region
Incredible bait threadGood job OP
>>58489045It's quite a diversion from how the games originally started but I guess some people just love it. But no matter what more people loved the originals until this is disproven.
>>58489045Yep, make everything shit so nothing is shit. Except for, you know, the few Pokemon that aren't shit that everyone already used.
>>58489067It just could have been done better and stay immersive is his point and I agree. But also at the same time I think in gen 3 they maxed out the memory of the cartridge so that must have been a factor.
>immersionIs this the new coping manchild buzzword?
>>58489055calling it bait doesnt disprove it>>58489067actually yes? if everything is "shit" it means its balanced, and i would rather have a grounded rpg adventure where my pet insect attacks with its horn instead of its tiny arm and somehow deals more damage>>58489099since when is immersion not important in an rpg?
>>58489099it's immersive for heracross to suck ass until after lanceit's immersive for pinsir to not have a good move because you aren't imaginative enough
>>58489099is this the new retarded little kid post?
>>58489109they dont suck ass though, they have 125+ base attack
>>58489106>can't readkek>>58489111>coping manchildkeeek
>>58489118means nothing when normal types have stab, better normal moves, high enough stats to compensate, and a much better movepool
>>58489109yeah it actually is immersive because you heracross is so cool that you stick with him even though he sucks which you don't seem to understand. or they could have done it better and gave him a different move that's basically as good as x-scissor but actually makes sense for him to have. it's really not that complicated but you're acting like an irrational little kid.
>>58489119kek little kid post teehee giggle it's so funny being a little kid trolling and being retarded
>>58489133>my pokemon sucks ass at the real gameplay and i have better easier to find options? but it's immersive though!!! omg it says horn!!!!!!!!moron
>>58488838>he doesn't type out his posts in advance
>>58489145didn't read the full post kek can't read kek go take a shit now
>>58489145Based 67th post
>>58488890unironically it's so kino
>>58489034damn 70 posts in and you still don't know what samefag means
>>58489169you obviously don't know that you don't call someone continuing a post a samefag because that makes no fucking sense kid
>>58489176show me in the op where he said the post continued
>>58489181it's just obvious because of the character limit and he said he did it because you were too new to understand
>>58489191the op is barely 600 chars long, that isn't the char limit
What are your honest thoughts on OP’s point?
>>58489145why would you wanna use the optimal mon instead of your favorite in a piss easy baby game?>>58489181my bad i thought it was obvious
>>58489205the whole thing is kid that's why it was split into parts. so it's obvious that he didn't specifically try to make the OP right at the character limit and just copied whatever and posted the rest immediately to get his point across. this is extremely common so you're just exposing yourself as a newfag kid.
>>58489205i figured i would split off the heracross and pinsir parts by themselves
>>58489212>why would you wanna use the optimal mon instead of your favorite in a piss easy baby game?this, karenfagging is the only way to play pokemon
>>58489212>optimal monraticate isn't optimal and a better choicefurret isn't optimal and a better choicegranbull isn't optimal and a better choice
>>58489226Gonna have to butt in here. Samefags will post something like cont. or 1/2 to continue a post even if it's obvious. You are the newfag here.
>>58489232ok, let me rephrase to account for your pedantics,why would you wanna use the more optimal mon instead of your favorite in a piss easy baby game?
>>58489237you don't have to do that unless you want to make it retard-proof. that's where op messed up not making it little kid retard-proof on the pokemon board because a bunch of retards are here.
>>58489246Playing with your favorite shitmons involve slow, unfun grinding to compensate for shit stats and/or spamming items. No one except apparently GSC autists finds that fun. Or it's something extremely gay like sand attack spam or resetting until you get Ice Punch freeze turn 1 (yes, someone tried to shitpost with that before).
>>58489288i think it's ironic how gsc faggots hate nuzlocking but love karenfagging. isn't grinding and using different strategies with different pokemon exactly what they're looking for? or do poketubers seriously live in their heads rent free?
>>58489288i dont have to grind except a little bit before red which is understandable for a superboss, in fact i prefer beating lance without grinding at all because it makes me more on par with the kanto gym leaders. for example last time i swept lance with my corsola using rollout
>>58489312>swept lance with my corsola using rolloutIf only everything didn't outspeed you, maybe that'd be more believable.
>i don't have to grind>hof time: 45 hours
>>58489337just use ancientpower twice and get 2 omniboosts, easy gameitems are for fags you didn't beat the game btw
I actually do agree with you OP, pokemon were more like wild animals in gens 1 and 2 that needed human invention (TMs) and training to truly bring out their potential. However, sometimes GF just made mistakes and didn't give the bare minimum to some mons imo. Like gligar should be able to use the dig TM. I can see why it couldn't learn Fly since it technically glides, but then again, duduo can learn it and it has no wings. Another example is a mon like natu not getting confusion or psybeam, and waiting till 65 to learn psychic by level up. Every other psychic type seems to have access to confusion or psybeam pretty early, so why not natu? Egg moves also artificially hid moves from some mons that no doubt wouldve learned them by level up if they were in gen 1. For example, foretress getting pin missile is a very natural concept based on its design, but it's egg move only. So I guess while I agree overall, I think gen 1 pulled it off better since you get better TMs throughout the game and there aren't moves restricted behind breeding.
>>58489362Shitposting aside, if you're truly only doing mandatory fights you kinda have to use items or find some convoluted line I'm sure 99.9% of retards here wouldn't bother with. With optional fights it's easier, but you're gonna have a rough time with only F tier mons and it's still grinding no matter how much you want to cope it isn't.
>get called out on their bullshit>karen niggers suddenly stop postinglol
>>58489373>human invention (TMs)another problem is if you're an rpgfag then you don't use nonrenewable TMs. only one dig TM in the game? never using it ever.
>>58489310personally i dont like nuzlocking because its unimmersive, i used to play them as a kid but i just dont enjoy them anymore>>58489337honestly it was a few years ago so i dont remember the battle exactly, it wasnt just corsola but i remember building up the rollout damage and taking out maybe 4 of his mons in a row with it>>58489373>so why not natui agree it shouldve gotten psychic earlier but they intended natu to use future sight>>58489411i agree with this, i dupe my tms personally but only in the post game
>immersive
>>58489439I did some quick calcs. You said you don't grind, so the only line I see is Girafarig Baton Passing Agility to a selectively overleveled Corsola with suspiciously high DVs and stat exp, using Defense Curl, then praying for Rollout to land 5 times. In which case, the strategy is Baton Pass, not Rollout.
>>58489474sure thing buddy
>>58489487Here you go fag.
>>58489493uh huh very interesting little buddy
>make up bullshit>get proven wrong>yep, sure thing, uh huhkek
>>58489493corsola doesn't need insane stats to 2 shot gyarados because rollout is 2x power next turn
>>58489039
>>58489518yep uh huh sure thing buddy
>>58489524That's true. I can see it being more believable with 4 kills, but you'll take 2 Surfs from Gyara and Aero outspeeds to kill you assuming he doesn't just send out his Dragonites first. I still don't think OP knew what he was doing.
>>58488879>Slash that earlyHow is that bad?
>>58488734>before gen 3's movebloat the pokemon actually had realistic movesetsYou mean before Gen 3 those Pokemon were barely usable.
>>58489562if i remember the gen 2 AI correctly it goes gyara -> the 2 twave dragonites -> aero. corsola gets hit with 2 surfs from baton pass switch in and defense curl, then dies to aero rock slide because even with agility it's still too slow.
>>58489584if you actually play the game you would know thats not true at all
>>58489589>2 surfsI think it's 3 for the 1st Rollout proc, but Surf is a roll to 3 shot for a more normal Corsola spread.
>>58489589like i said it was years ago so i dont remember how the battle went but i may have killed the gyarados with something else, then used charizard to get an easy rollout kill to get the ball rolling>if i remember the gen 2 AI correctly it goes gyara -> the 2 twave dragonites -> aerothats not how it works, after gyarados he sends out whatever is effective against your current pokemon, so if you kill gyarados with a grass type he will send out charizard next
>>58489600yeah no one cares about your calculator shit you should actually play the game at least once
>>58489604tell me what is effective against corsola you dumb nigger, charizard or the dragonite with twave/thunder?
>>58489591I did play the game and Typhlosion was stuck with Flame wheel for 60+ levels.
>>58489616well you can kill gyarados using meganium to bait out the charizard. maybe this is why you need to grind to beat the game?
>>58489626still doesn't add up. girafarig gets 2 shot by flamethrower. or are you a switch mode nigger?
>>58489493HURR DURR can you tell us what 5+5 is next?
>>58489638If anything he let Meganium die. You get Light Screen too late if you aren't grinding.Still very sus how he's leaving most of this for us to figure out :)
They could barely program moves right, let alone knowing what moves they were going to put in to the game. It's why the TM tables are so stacked in general, it was meant to supplement what they got normally with something they had a better idea of. And you still had shit like the Softboiled TM.
>>58489663do you remember every battle you've had?
>>58489312kino team
>>58489683If I'm gonna make a shitpost thread about how cute and clever I am with shitmons, yes.
>>58489691like i said it was years ago, the bottom line is that its possible with some strategy
>>58489663bro i'm stupid lol, too much nuzlocking
>>58489695...or resets. Which is pretty fucking faggy. But do what you gotta do for your HoF screencap.
>>58489683Yes autism is my super power
>>58489312wow kino
>>58489685>>58489719wow samefag
>>58489685thanks>>58489709i mean.... i would rather try several times to beat him underleveled using a strategy than to sit and grind to then beat him in one attempt, and like i said before it makes you more on par for kanto
>>58489720wow wrong but I did read his post first
>>58489720kino
>>58489725wow kino edited
>>58489725Kino
inb4 i edited my screenshot in 1 minute perfectly with no way to tell it was edited because it wasn't
>>58489725kino pic my man
>>58489725>>58489726>>58489728sisters lets continue this conversation on discord so theres no confusion on who is who
>>58489741>>58489728kino posts
i'm trans and I'm part of the tranny /vp/ army we will never forget we will never surrender and I'm trans
>>58489725kinoino
>>58489748and I'm trans on a discord and you have to be trans to be part of the tranny /vp/ discord army and I'm trans
>>58489722>sit and grind to then beat him in one attemptanyone who calcs in the fucking campaign is either doing some dumb challenge or trying to minimize grinding as much as possible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipdyKnK3wl0
>>58489764I like trashlockes and low exp runs in RPGs so it checks out.
>>58488734Contrarian final boss, I’ll take 1 Magneton level-up moveset to go please
>>58489810May I recommend Sneasel or Yanma?
>>58488734>>58488735>>58489373Are you really this deluded????>Completely immersion shattering and soullessthey were static FUCKING SPRITES DUMBASS >how tf does pinsir slash in an X?>How does, a fat mammal shoot out ghostly orbs?> How does a goat/reptile/fox/mamon thing shoot thunderbolts or use elemental punches?>how does a salamander/sazae oni use thunder when it's a water type?There was no immersion you are just coping.
>>58489827but i was 7 when gold came out
>>58489827still, it doesnt look like that while performing the move https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWOk6HtsLfk
>>58489847both look fine to me>b-but it's not immers-i'll immerse my cock in your mom faggot
>>58489827lol
>>58489832Well, I was 12 when it came out, and by the time I turned 13-14 I discovered other JRPGS and monster JRPGs. After playing Arc the Lad I realized how shit pokemon was. Fun fact, it was relased the same year as R/G in Japan.https://youtu.be/DyT4kN0lr8E?t=867After winning a certain amount of battles you could use your party members in monster bouts. The sad thing is this was a side hussle and it's better than anything pokemon related to date.>>58489847linking dubs....Ewwww...We don't have to bare through that shit anymore
>>58488734>>58488735>retarded schizobabble
>>58489884"arc the lad" is better yet here you are 20 years later posting on /vp/ and not /arcthelad/
>>58488735I can’t even make fun of you for this example because with ZA, they gave Pinsir Lunge which will replace X-Scissor on his set and is way more appropriate for the mon because Pinsir would lunge at you.
>>58489894arc the lad doesn't have schizos that warrant a containment board because they shit up the main video game board
>bad movepools goodThat's a pretty hard sell my man.HOWEVER I do think recent games have been too generous in their distribution. Like why does Scizor need Close Combat? Just why.
>>58489894I got released late and didn't get the recognition it deserved.
>>58489900i didnt even know that but yeah that proves my case even more
>>58489905your case is advocating for grinding or item spam, neither of which anyone likes.
>>58489913you dont have to do either though if you can use strategy
>>58489921your strategy earlier was "oh i forgot"
>>58489900>Like why does Scizor need Close Combat?I always imagined Scizor as a jabber who’d go in for a finishing strike with X-Scissor or something. Like Bullet Punch is his iconic move, and I guess Close Combat could replace X-Scissor since he’s still a puncher and all that. Scizor could’ve used a move that gave paralysis since he’s supposed to scare opponents with his claws, and he’s already a strong mom as is so scaring them with those would paralyze a foe.
Ark fell into a deep sleep...And Ark dreamt his last dream...
>>58488735>complaining about shit that makes no sense and inconsistent world building>invokes the anime to back him upCant make this shit up
>>58489899this and they still post about pokemon on /v/ constantly when they aren't wanted
>>58489921I mean setting up isn't a very interesting strategy. Most people who don't think of Pokemon as just rock paper scissors know how overpowered it is. It's why I try to ban Game Corner and Voltorb Flip TMs in playthroughs, they're always broken as fuck.
>>58489924no, it was rollout
>>58489987which calcfags had to prove was even possible for you with a crucial additional strategy you didn't mention
>>58489998like i said it was years ago, its pretty unreasonable to expect someone to remember an entire battle several years later
>>58490014so you remember one part of the strategy and coincidentally forgot the rest? just say you're making up bullshit bro
>>58490017>you either have to remember the entire battle or forget everything, nothing inbetween
>>58490023>i'm so smart and use interesting strategies with my favorite mons>oh what's the strategy? teehee i forgot
>>58490025you never played gsc
>>58490023Clearly you remembered that you baited Charizard to set up on. Still doesn't excuse the fact that Thunder Dragonite would come out next, then outspeed and kill you afterwards without a speed boost from somewhere.
>>58490045i still think gyara -> charizard on meganium is wrong. it should be the blizzard dragonite since it and charizard both have top priority, but dragonite comes first in the team order.i don't see any gen 2 AI docs but i'll probably test it eventually when i get around to gsc again.
>>58490045well thunder can miss
>>58490120so can rollout
>>58490137ok
>>58490120Rollout can miss, you can get crit by anything, Charizard could burn you... and anything after you set up can still hit you.
>>58490154ok
OP btfo
it's random lol
>>58490175ok
i'm black
>>58488734I feel like some moves should be exclusively TM/tutor only. Like in HGSS, Totodile learns Ice Fang and it completely takes me out of the game. Sure, it can fit, I can see it being ABLE to learn it as a biting move, however it would NEVER be able to naturally learn 'Ice Fang' on its own merit. It's subtle things like this that are missing in the newer games.
>>58490200ok
where did it say that slugma was hotter than the sun in the pokedex entries? i remember reading it in the game(s) and even this "how pokedex entries are made" meme that i remembered that i had to dig out from almost being lost, but i looked on bulbapedia right now and all the dex entries don't say "hotter than the sun." am i being mandella effected?
>>58490212it was magcargo, and it was a specific number that's hotter than the surface of the sun
>>58490137>>58490154yes and then i probably lose and have to try again, you have to consider that this was a noteworthy battle for me, sometimes you just get that epic moment where your "shitmon" pulls through and for me that was one of them
>>58490212magcargo's sapphire dex entry
>>58490224So how was that not memorable enough to remember the core strategy?
>>58490257because it was years ago
>>58490268I remember my shitty in-game and Battle Frontier teams when I was a kid over 20 years ago. You are going to remember a battle that memorable only a few years ago.
>>58490224clearly it wasn't noteworthy if you forgot it kekforgettable shitmon has forgettable battles
>>58490286remembering a team and remembering a battle are completely different things lmfao
>>58490310Using Surf, Ice Beam and Earthquake isn't very interesting. But I can talk about Substitute AI abuse, using Captivate to wear down opponents so I can set up, using Shuckie's Encore on Red's Pikachu to set up, and pivoting between 4 mons to, you guessed it, set up.
>>58488734>immersionWhich Youtuber grifter did you get this from?
>>58488734>before gen 3's movebloat the pokemon actually had realistic movesetsWhat's "realistic" about a rat using Ice-Magic from it's mouth?OP is a retard.
>>58488734explain why nidoran learns double kick at level 43 in RB but learns it at level 12 in yellow. is it "immersive" to change movesets like that in the same gen?
>>58490405>realistic depiction of a Rat, according to OP
>>58490387its my own opinion i got from playing the games>>58490405pokemon being able to use elemental attacks does not mean its okay for the horn pokemon to be attacking with its tiny arms. your comparison is retarded>>58490417same with this, idk why they changed that but it still doesnt magically excuse other pokemon dealing more damage with their tiny arms than their natural weapons
>>58490644>Dodges the questionWhat's "realistic" about a rat being able to use ice-magic from it's mouth? Don't be scared. Please answer the question.
>>58490499>you can accept ice beams, but you cant accept the horn pokemon dealing more damage with its tiny arms?
>>58490654I don't know what you are talking about.
>>58490651i never said anything about realism, immersion is not the same as realism, fantasy can be believable or it can be nonsensical
>>58490660>"I never said anything about realism"Wrong. Let me quote the OP.>>58488734>"the pokemon actually had REALISTIC movesets"
>>58490664my bad i meant level up moves, TMs are allowed to be a bit wilder like >>58490202 said
>>58490820Okay. So what's realistic about a rat using ice beam?I've asked 3 times now.
>>58488734>>58488735johtiniggers type the dumbest shit
>>58490862its not a level up move
>>58490916Okay.So why are TM's okay? Be specific with your reasoning.Also what's your take on egg moves?
>>58491139TMs are man-made, it means wild raticate arent running around in the grass ice beaming each other lolegg moves are the same i guess, i havent thought about it really
>>58491155>egg moves are the same i guessSame as what? You like them or you don't?
>>58491159i like them, a raticate inheriting flame wheel from a typhlosion isnt that far-fetched
>>58488734>movebloatNot a thing. Is this the new empty buzzword?
>>58491174Okay cool.So please tell me, what's "realistic" about a rat using fire-magic? Be specific.
>>58491175first time you encounter a free thinker who doesnt care about trends or buzzwords?
>>58491187because its father is a fire monster
>>58491198That doesn't happen in reality.So again, how is a rat using fire-magic "realistic"? Please be specific. I'm very facinated by your autism.
>>58491205realistic in the fantasy sense doesnt literally mean like real life, it means believable. see picrel >>58490654
>>58491217>realistic in the fantasyThat's a contradiction.Fantasy isn't "realistic" by definition, so I think you're just using the word incorrectly.
>>58491191Of course not. Not that you’d be the prime example either way.
>>58488844My first Pokemon game was Blue when it first came out, and while OP is right that the first two generations had a little more thought put into the movesets, they are still utterly inferior to gens 3-5 in every other way as games, so nobody gives a shit.
I think the real retardation here is that the vast majority of Pokémon have basically the same level up moves between Gen 2 and Gen 3, so I'm not sure why that's apparently the cutoff point for OP.
>>58492190he grew up with gen 2 so that's the cutoff point
>>58488735>pinsir for example is bug type, he is made of bug basically, it does not mean he uses bug offensivelyGuaranteed replies.
>>58489145lol
>>58491191You are literally spamming "realistic" and "immersive" every other post
>>58491217How is Pinsir using X-scissor not believable? How is Croconaw learning Ice Fang not believable? How is Nidoran learning the same move 31 levels earlier in the same gen believable?
