>>58489915
swsh was a real lowlight but they've been on an upswing since. i blame the firing of james turner, he was a cancer

>>58489915
>>58489918
Galar and playdought DiaPer is unironically the lowest point of the franchise and I can't believe we recovered so stupendously. Gen X better deliver

Digicucks got BTFO

>>58489918
Not counting SV, of course.

>>58489970
SV is the best of the Switch games by far

>>58489970
Nah, counting SV, best plot and characters by far. Honestly only wish the battle system was like Arceus and the colors were more saturated

>>58489915
SV was so kino, I unironically love it so much, especially since the performance improvement for Switch 2
>>58489918
Turner is literally just a designer, stop blaming him for everything
He still did stuff for SV anyway

>>58489991
I've played every Pokemon game on Switch 2 (and not counting ZA on Switch 1 too) and it's crazy how SV runs a trillion times better than Arceus or Sword Shield, I thought they would run better because the hardware is better even if they didn't make a Switch 2 update but nope, the lack of battle transition, the superior ride and the new framerate makes Galar feel as slow as gen 1 and 2. I really wish they updated Arceus too because the catching mechanics are the best in the franchise

>>58489970
this. SV is garbage.

>>58490018
Yeah the difference is insane. Although honestly it also makes it even more baffling they shipped it like that on Switch 1, it just barely ran
I'm convinced the Switch 2 was planned to be released way earlier than it did. We had that one legit leak where anon correctly named the first DLC paradoxes and the DLC title. He also said they were already working on the patch for Switch 2. It sounded like they expected the Switch 2 to release at the same time or before the DLC released, so they probably expected way more people to experience the game on Switch 2 originally

>>58490018
I don't blame them for not going as far back as SwSh to give it a Switch 2 patch, but I wish they did for Arceus. That game would look really nice in 4k 60fps, a lot more than SV.

>>58490069
Should have fixed the transparencies too tbqh

>>58489915
all of these are shit games
>DUDE WHAT IF DONPHAN HAD PINK SPIKES
paradox mons were a mistake
>DUDE WHAT IF SKARMORY WAS YELLOW AND HAD LONGER TALONS LMAO
mega evolutions were a mistake
>DUDE WHAT IF BRAVIARY WAS COLOURED PURPLE LMAO
regional variants were a mistake
>DUDE WHAT IF STANTLER HAD A BEARD LMAO
cross gen evos after gen 4 were a mistake

if you praise/defend these games, then YOU ARE A SHILL WHO LOVES GAMEFREAK'S LAZINESS

>>58489915
Scarlet was the worst Pokemon game I ever played. Didn't touch the legends shit, but I doubt they're better

>>58490735
Based 6yo playing Scarlet as his first pokemon game

>>58491045
Based 38yo scat fetishist enjoying sv

>>58489915
Two of these games are worse than gen 1 btw

>>58491052
>scat fantasies
Huh oh someone has been naughty

>>58491069
All of them have more mons than Gen 1 so nope.

>>58489915
Op is based and correct I'm afraid
>>58489918
Wasn't fired, he left to do his own stuff

>>58491069
One of these games is the only pokemon game to ever sell more than gen 1 in Japan btw

>>58491094
>more scat fantasies
This is a blue board, kiddo, go somewhere else.

>>58491098
And it's one of the two btw

>>58489980
SV is literally the worst right behind SwSh, though I think ZA may end up sitting between SwSh and SV as 2nd worst, its close either way, they all shit

>>58489915
Replace Scarlet with Sword and I'll agree.

>>58489915
Where? It's nowhere to be found in your post, that's for sure.

with 3 shitty games? I don't think so

>>58489915
PLA is the only one that belongs here

>>58491510
This and its kinda eh/mediocre, but mediocre is an 8/10 as far as pokemon games go

>>58490735
The Legends "games" (more like tech demos) unironically make SWSH and SV look good by comparison. That's the sheer levels of laziness and cut corners we're talking about here. But because they are superficially different than other mainline games, it's enough for half the people who usually complain about GF to go back to eating the slop uncritically.

>>58491521
PLA makes SV and SwSh look like the lazy slop that it is, and PLA isn't that great. SV, SwSh, and ZA are all in the same basket

>>58491510
PLA would be considered one of the worst JRPGs ever made, I mean FFXV or Ancient Roman level bad, if it didn't have the Pokemon and Nintendo logos on the box. It's only because GF lowered the standards so much over the past 12 years that people were drooling over this repetitive checklist simulator in a N64 grass field.

>>58491521
Other way around anon

>>58491551
PLA is the textbook definition of lazy slop. They couldn't even be bothered to include basic shit like abilities or held items or all the moves, made only one glorified favela they passed off as a town and nothing else, and put barely anything to even do in the game besides filling out checklists. I guess I'll just never be able to see the alternate universe version of PLA that you guys keep praising, because the one that exists here in the real world is objectively lazier than even SWSH.

>>58491610
Bros never heard of a setting in a video game. Just because it doesn't follow the 8 gym formula doesn't mean its a tech demo

>>58490729
Kill yourself mistakefag

Kek even sharties can't keep their narratives straight.

>>58491621
no i will NEVER
gayfreak's laziness needs to criticized into oblivion or otherwise shills will run rampant and continue the enshittification of pokemon

>>58491615
I don't mind that it didn't follow the 8 gym formula. I think that should have been retired already because it's too limiting. The problem is that they replaced it with mostly just tedious busywork while stripping away a lot of other content and features and still charged $60 for it. It is very obviously a glorified tech demo for the real-time catching gimmick, but the novelty wears off quickly and there's so little substance beyond that.

>>58491595
>>58491610
>repetitive
well I didn't find it repetitive in the slightest, you don't even need to focus on completing the tasks to finish the game
>N64 grass field
it mostly looks perfectly fine, you can go ahead and search for cherrypicked screenshots to prove your point but so can I
>They couldn't even be bothered to include basic shit like abilities or held items or all the moves
and yet it barely makes a difference in the end, battles are still fun and more difficult than in mainline

>>58491610
PLA is mediocre slop and is okay, though I couldn't pay attention long enough to the full game. SV, SwSh and ZA are all awful slop.

>>58491658
Tedious busywork how? Most of the objectives are completed during regular gameplay if you follow the story path. Anything else is optional and you can pursue it if you enjoy it, like getting the Shiny Charm in ZA via Mables research tasks.

I just don't get why it's such an issue when Game Freak makes a focused game like PLA or PLZA. They're literally called "Legends" so of course it's going to be more focused and less of a huge sprawling JRPG adventure than the mainline new gen games are. Nor will it have the same features since they experiment with gameplay styles in the series.

PLA>ZA>SWSH>Let's Go>shit>scat vomit

>>58491704
Swap SwSh and SV and youre golden

>>58491712
Nope how can you defend ScatVomit it's actually abhorrent

>>58491718
Not really me defending SV as much as SwSh being even worse than that game somehow

>>58491733
The art style alone makes it significantly better but I guess you like staring at ugly brown npc women built like men

>>58491751
Don't really care about graphics and SwSh visuals have their own issues with the overtuned rimlighting making everything look like plastic, as well as the generally muddy and dull looking routes. Not that SV is much better anyway

>>58489915
Pokekino is indeed back im afraid bros

>>58490018
Legitimately the difference is so astounding and I did enjoy playing Scarlet when it came out but the frame rate issues def stopped me from coming back regularly

>>58489915
I haven't played any of the Legends games but SV is unironically one of the best games of the franchise. Yes, I know it looks horrible. And yes, I know the performance sucks. Despite all of this it still manages to be one of the best games in the franchise. And don't get me started on how much better the DLC is.

>>58491823
>SV is unironically one of the best games of the franchise
no it isn't. you are a shill
>I know it looks horrible. And yes, I know the performance sucks
so you acknowledge these things and you think the game somehow doesn't suck? definitely a shill
>Despite all of this it still manages to be one of the best games in the franchise
nope, still cutting endless corners. still missing the natdex, optional exp share, the cut moves, still missing post game, still missing well designed explorable towns with interiors, still missing overworld ability effects, still has lazy pokemon designs like paradox mons, still ends with a shitty scripted fight that you can't lose
SV is a shit game and the DLC is a scam

All of those are wrong btw.

>>58491858
objectively speaking, he got the first three right
but also the set/switch option as well for whatever stupid reason and don't even get me started on the absolute bugfests that are raids

>>58489915
...in bizarro world.

>>58491850
I am not a shill at all. I stopped playing Pokemon after Gen 7 and picked up Violet on a whim. The positives outweigh the negatives for me. SV is a game thats far from perfect but I enjoy playing it more than almost any Pokemon game. If the game had well designed towns, it would be better than really any Pokemon game

>>58489915
>LA
Eh
>SV
The sonic 06 of pokemon
Abysmal
>Z-A
Kinda fun but still unpolished feeling in a lot of places

>>58489915
Get SV and ZA the fuck out of here

>>58492238
They are kino though.

>>58491704
>Scarlet & Violet>>Let's Go>PLA>SWSH>ZA
FTFY, also you should stop thinking about scat, disgusting coprofaggot subhuman.

>>58492779
>lets go anything but last
lol no way

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>>58489915
SV DLC was the best Pokémon experience in the series

>>58492787
I can't help but love Kanto, my first region.

>>58489915
SV fucking sucks

>>58492840
.. because it's SO good it literally killed every other Pokemon experience for me.

>>58492827
>unironic KANTOOOOO cuck
Fuck off.

>>58492810
I really hope Mega Dimension has an actual plot with characters and isn't just a boss rush of more megas. The japanese name of the DLC is Mega Dimension Rush after all

Why are people still trying to rehabilitate SV? They're fucking boring. Paldea is just a set of shallow set pieces with no depth to them, the world feels like a slog to get through, towns are lifeless and artificial, even the ones with "gimmicks" like Cascarrafa with its water elevators feel contrived. And all the enemy team bases feel copy+pasted, and it takes a good 5 fucking hours of endless dialogue from NPCs you don't give a shit about before the game finally lets you explore the region at your own pace. PLA and PLZ also have some of these problems with at least the realtime battles of PLZA and the fast-paced catching mechanics of PLA give them an engaging gameplay loop that makes me want to come back to them

>>58494650
Nobody is trying to rehabilitate anything, everyone who looked past the genuinely shit performance of the game liked it, specially nips. And I replayed the intro of the game recently on Switch 2 and I can tell you are bullshiting the tutorial as well, you can do online in 30 minutes, and the rest of the tutorial (until you get the Raidon) in even less. Arceus tutorial (until you get online) is hour and a half or so, and Z-A's tutorial is even longer.

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>>58489915
>This is what we're considering "back"

>>58494650
>endless dialogue from NPCs you don't give a shit about
This is where you are wrong. The characters are the best part of the game by far. But I guess you wouldn't know cause you clearly skipped through all the dialogue like an idiot.

>>58495111
I genuinely want to smash Nemona's face against a slab of concrete. I don't give a shit what closeted pedophiles think of her, she is the most annoying and least likeable rival of the entire franchise.

>>58495135
>she's the oldest looking of them all, visible taller than you and other adults, is sportly and (despite her poor stamina) atletic looking, as well as being a champion with years of experience under her belt
>somehow people who like her are "closeted pedophiles"
Just say you didn't play the game, retard.

>>58495164
Whatever, she's clearly not an adult you retard. I don't give a shit about your retarded nuances between pedophillia and hebophillia or whatever the fuck you want to call it, she's still an annoying as fuck rival that wont stop talking. Even when you're battling her she interrupts it to deliver some asinine dialogue. I just want to play the damn game but she won't shut the fuck up.

>>58495185
None of your group of friends in any game is an adult, and yet Nemona looks the oldest or one of the oldest. If you argument is that liking one of them makes you a pedo you picked the worst possible option, but I understand you wouldn't know better since you didn't play the game.

>>58495256
My argument is that the only reason anyone likes her is because they're degenerate coomers because there is literally nothing to like about her as a character. And to be clear, Hop from SwSh was just as annoying in my opinion. They needed to trim like 60% of their text boxes from the game

>>58490729
You were a mistake.

>>58495135
You genuinely need therapy and also reading lessons. If you "just want to play Pokémon" then go to Showdown. The games exist for you to enjoy the story, not select the Super Effective button and spam A.
Nemona is a harmless as fuck character and literally battles you less than a lot of rivals in previous games. She has a charming little character arc and background story that you ignore because you're a raging manchild who refuses to read dialogue because "I WANNA PWAY THE GAYME"

>>58495273
>My argument is that the only reason anyone likes her is because they're degenerate coomers
And your argument is based on your ignorance, sucks you didn't play the game and got to see what makes her a nice rival, which has nothing to do with what coomers think.

Nemona is only liked because she's female. If they were a dude people would hate her more.

>>58495346
>If you want to play a Pokemon game then play this non-Pokemon game
Always the same bad faith arguments with you autistic retards. I just want to play a Pokemon game that doesn't hold my hand for the first 3 fucking hours, especially when the meat of the game is meant to be an open world. I feel like PLZA also took awhile to get going but I still don't think it was anywhere near as egregious as SV was. This isn't even that hot of a take. A huge chunk of the speedrunning community refuses to touch SV because it takes so long just for the actual game to begin and stop holding your hand.

>>58495372
>just want to play a Pokemon game that doesn't hold my hand for the first 3 fucking hours
Yeah. As I said don't play mainline Pokémon games.
>Hurr why does this game for little children hold my hand?? Doesn't it know I'm a big boy?? Why is everything so easy I don't get it!! And why does my JRPG have characters and dialogue??
Do you really not realise how stupid you sound?

>>58495366
>people would hate a confident but sporty and nice rival who is already a champion before you even start your adventure and handicaps himself to start over from zero along you as it grooms you into the ultimate challenge and rival for himself because he's so strong he's bored at the top and needs another super prodigy like himself to be able to go all out again, serving as true champion of the storyline even above the supposed league champion of the region and even switching up her starters' traits so it goes from weak to yours (at first, when he's helping you grow) to stronger (later with its changed teratype), in what is basically a Goku Move character arc
No, they fucking wouldn't, you think people only like Nemona for sex because you didn't play the game and know nothing about her, just her looks, you are the one who only looks at her for le memes and porn

>>58495499
>her starter
Meant "his" since in this case the rival is a guy

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Nemona sperg is absolutely crashing out right now holy shit
>Y-you just didn't play the games!
>I'm not a pedophile for liking her she's like 16 so practically an adult!
Yikes dude your posts are all virgin-coded find new hills to die on

>>58495421
>Hurr why does this game for little children hold my hand?? Doesn't it know I'm a big boy??
Not that anon but this is such a lame defense. Plenty of games that are enjoyed by young people do not have this problem. And even when I was young I specifically remember hating this type of thing.

Why are we so conditioned to defend the slop at all costs bros like god damn

>>58495515
>too afraid to reply directly
>still keeps talking about pedophilia when nobody but himself has ever mentioned anything about anyone wanting to fuck Nemona
KEK, pathetic. I'm sorry you are poor or too dumb to emulate and didn't play the game tho

>>58495551
>And even when I was young I specifically remember hating this type of thing.
That's because you aren't a retard. It's not just for little kids, it's for retarded little kids.

>>58489915
ZA is kind of a bummer but in general I like the direction we're going gameplay-wise. I want to strangle whoever is in charge of graphics however.

>>58495421

>durrrrr other JRPGs take hours to start bro!
The Speedrunning record for Scarlet and Violet is 5 hours and 20 minutes and a huge chunk of it takes place in the beginning because it's an unskippable slog
Even Sword and Shield is over an hour and 15 minutes quicker and it also has a slow start, same with Sun and Moon
X and Ys speedrun record is just over 3 and a half hours
I don't know where you get the idea that SVs handholding is acceptable even by Pokemon standards, but it's very clearly bloated in the beginning

>muh speedrun
nobody cares

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>noooo you can't just use data to back your arguments!
Dumb Nemonafag pedo

>>58495608
Speedrunners literally play the game wrong, who gives a shit??

I'm literally as gay as someone could be and I like Nemona. She's just a funny character.

>>58495759
No anon you just want to fuck her I swear you are a pedophile please validate my retardation PLEASE

>>58489915
>shit
>massive shit
I heard the last one is good though.

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>>58489918
Nu uh, because SWSH had a way better set of new mons than SV. Outside of the starters, gen 8's new mons are almost gen 4 tier good but stuck in a dogshit game. The real problem was ohmori, tpc's budget control, and gamefreak's structure.

>>58498496
>because SWSH had a way better set of new mons than SV
I still like weedcat. Gamefreak should design pokemon while stoned out of their minds more often to come up with some real crazy designs and not just have Masuda bringing lines of coke into the office

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>>58495346
>The games exist for you to enjoy the story, not select the Super Effective button and spam A

Doesn't Pokémon infamously have the worst stories out of the big JRPG franchises though? Outside of arguably BW and SM, the stories are shallow and mostly just an excuse to justify more gameplay (because it would be weird if the game just transitioned from route to route to battle to battle with no explanation why this is happening until the end). SV was neat for Pokémon story standards but basically nothing happened until the very end of the game. Story focused games have big plot beats happening throughout the experience.

>>58498552
This is why I have so much respect for Nintendo when they designed Zelda BotW/TotK because they realized the story didn't have to be more complicated than "just explore and find shit". I really wish GameFreak gave Pokemon the same treatment and just gave us a BotW-style Pokemon game

>>58498552
Nigger, no.
Pokemon is at its best when the story is Dark Souls tier. You're on a simple quest to beat the best trainers in the region and get to find neat tidbits of lore along the way.

>>58498613
>/pol/cel
>objectively wrong
Every. Time.

>>58498629
>/pol/cel
lmao what?

>>58498496
agree to disagree because i think the swsh dex is easily the worst group of new mons ever lol

>>58498496
You're trolling right? Gen 8 has the most dogshit dex. The amount of good designs can be counted on one hand, like Corviknight and Toxtricity. Most of it is very forgettable or straight-up garbage. Also, all starters being shit is unacceptable.

>>58489915
i wanted to enjoy SV but holy fuck it looks SO bad i can't put myself through that.

>>58498496
>gen 4 tier good
Funny you'd say that when 80% of gen 4 mons are total garbage.

>>58498805
Shame. It's worth it imo.

>>58498743
>Also, all starters being shit is unacceptable.
but enough about the G5 games

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>>58489915
ZA and SV are some of the fucking worse games in this franchise get that shit out of here

>>58489915
pic not related

Legend games are great
Ohmori must stand aside

>>58498496
>gen 8's new mons are almost gen 4 tier good
I agree, they were pretty hideous.

If gen 10 is bad I'm kyoaniing GF

>>58498496
I love Gen 8 mons

>>58489915
Replace SV with SWSH and it works.

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>>58501637
Not even gen 8 likes gen 8 pokemon lmao

>>58501883
They're originally Galarian 'mons that were introduced to Galar.
>Captcha: POOMO

>>58501931
Introduced to Kanto, sorry.

>>58501931
Nice headcanon that doesn't change anything lmao

>>58501958
It does change everything, they're Galarian 'mons that only debuted in KANTOOOOOO because they were introduced there by Galarian immigrants. Charizard is from Galar.

>>58501963
Your headcanon doesn't matter, retard, Charizard is a Kanto mon, introduced in Kanto, presented by us in Kanto, has been Kanto for 30 years and will always be Kanto. "In my copetard brain Charizardino lived somewhere else first :c " doesn't change a shit. You may as well say Corphis isn't a hoennmon or Yungoos an alolamon

>>58502020
Can you catch Charizard in the wild in Kanto?
No?
It's from Galar.

>>58502030
I can catch Charmander in the wild in Kalos, I guess it's actually french and galarians just stole it for their museum and your cope fails once again KEK

>>58502030
Bodied that freak.

>>58502123
It's native to Kalos and Galar- but not Kanto.

>>58502161
Another layer to your irrelevant headcanon, I see.
You can catch Charmander in Kanto too btw

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>>58502211
Wrong.

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>>58502227
>lying on the internet
KEK

>>58502347
>LGPE
Doesn't count. If he's still catchable when the inevitable next KANTOOOO remake comes along then we could make the argument that some Galarian/Kalosian specimens began to settle.

>>58489915
Genuinely my favorite games in the series, but violet more than scarlet even though Sada is hot.

Gen 10 may actually be the best in the series if they stick with a lot of the stuff that got leaked. I'm really interested in seeing that procedurally generated pokemon evo. That's such a fun idea.

>>58501831
LMAO, no. SwSh was everything but kino.

>>58502367
>D-DOESN'T COUNT *sniff*
I'm sorry your headcanon cope keeps failing over and over again. If it makes you feel better not even galarians are sad galarian mons suck, they are too busy loving kantonian pokemon

>>58502347
Someone imported that from Galar and released.

>>58502449
There's no such thing as Kantonian pokemon, they're all invasive species from other regions.
>>58502414
It's the best game in the series, and by a long way.

>>58502476
Based, I totally agree. SwSh is pure soul.

>>58502476
Low quality bait

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It'll never be back.

>>58502476
>>58502495
Bait is supposed to be believable, fellas.

>>58502512
Yeah bad games will hopefully never be back.

>>58502518
>>58502513

>>58502512
Why you trying to sneak dp in there

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>>58502539
Not sneaking anything. Here's a better pic. Everything gets equal prominence.

>>58491662
>Pokemon Battles
>Difficult

>>58502552
You should just take them out of the picture

>>58502552
A bunch of really cool games...and Unova.