Who is stronger now ingame Zygarde still needs to hold a mega stone to evolve and Rayquaza can mega evolve and use an item
>Zygarde because he’s LE planet si-ACK
Zygarde switching attack preferences while progressing to complete/mega seems like a hinderance compared to Rayquaza being ready right out the gate.
>>58490768Ultra Necrozma is stronger than both that is why his form has been locked a single game
That Zygarde was able to seemingly absorb the Z-Power of Alola and use that to modify one its moves under ME to become a hit-anything Nuke (including ignoring immunities Fug can't) seems to shade it in Zygarde's favour. There's also the fact its lore points to when it undergoes ME, it's ENTIRE body concentrates on forming the big fuckoff cannon it uses to dispense justice, almost as if it's saying "You are such a threat right now, I'm concentrating EVERYTHING I've got on wiping you out". A snake that swallowed its stone doesn't really stack up in my eyes, but I wasn't a hoennbab, so I'm not interested in glazing Gen 3 just to glaze it.
>>58490768Doesnt matter because they are bros.
>>58490768We still don't know zyg's ability, as it exists currently zyg is weaker
>>58490974It's Power Construct, Zyg can only ME after it goes Complete form in L: Z-A (because again, it's a protector legendary - it goes from 10% to 50% to 100% to ME, depending on the threat to Kalos currently at-hand).
>>58490768Mega Zygarde is a huge hassle to even get out and not worth giving your mega slot tooMega Ray rapes>>58490974>We still don't know zyg's abilityMega Zygard cannot exist if Zygardes ability isnt PC
>>58490768Zygarde
>>58490967BASED
>>58490768>About tradition :They are equal.>Mechanically in turn-based combat :Probably Mega Rayquaza>In a turn-based (timeline without Mega):Zygarde Complete
>>58491009>>58491023You retards know megas can change abilities, right? Power Construct is an ability that triggers a change into mega (like Battle Bond triggered Ash form for Greninja), but megaevolution is its own thing.
>>58490768mega-fug still the best 2025
>>58490768In singles Mega Fug since it can go Mega right away and kick ass. In doubles you can properly help Zygarde go bellow 50% HP and then you just Nihil Light everything
>>58491009I mean mega zygarde
>>58490768Honestly, I think needing to drop below 50% is a bigger hindrance to Mega Zygarde than needing to hold an item.It really doesn't even need an item with how catastrophically strong Nihil Light is coming off of a base 216 SpA.It's only a tiny bit weaker than LO Mega Ray's Dragon Ascent after a DD.>252+ SpA Zygarde-Mega Nihil Light vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 531-625 (155.7 - 183.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO>+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Rayquaza-Mega Dragon Ascent vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 536-632 (157.1 - 185.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>>58490833>(including ignoring immunities Fug can't)I have not heard of such things.
>>58490768Ray is superior to the being who made the fucking planet minus the ocean and atmosphere
>>58491390>he thinks Groudon built the space rock that makes PokeEarthlmao
>>58491390speedkun...
Allowing legendary Pokémon to get mega evolutions was a mistake.
>>58490797Mega Zygarde has a built in Z move that can be used 16 times whereas Necrozma is only single use. Zygarde is far superior
>>58490768Ray is faster so he winsUnless Zygarde has an ability that negates its dragon weakness
>>58493341At least they shouldn’t have skipped over the only generation where the legendaries are actual universe creating deitiesSeriously, the creation trio already got cucked in terms of abilities compared to shit like Kyogre and Xerneas, but they’re also the only ones to not get a bst boost with their new forms? What the fuck? They’re the strongest canonically but they feel like the most underwhelming in game.
zygarde don't know what a fairy type is.with its new move a fairy type is just a fancy normal type now.
>>58490768lore wise zygarde is strongerrayquaza had to mega just to stop a fucking rock kek
>>58490768Encore + nasty plot Mega Gengar
>>58491390Zygarde is above the very concept of life and death and exists precisely to regulate it lmao
>>58493399Telepathy being their hidden ability is such a nothing burger but I do have a decent feeling they will get changed eventually
>>58490768both equal>>58490797biggest jobber
>>58490768Mega Rayquaza by a mile. Mega Zygarde will have a week or 2 before people realize its ass.>B-but muh Nihil Light move 2HKOs BlisseyWow that’s like 1 Threshold HKO Mega Zygarde has over typical legendaries restricteds.What makes Mega Ray so broken is that on top of that Atk stat is also being nearly impossible to revenge kill.Not only is Mega Zygarde harder to actually use (especially in Doubles where you can just ignore it until its the last Pokemon) but you can pretty easily revenge kill it too.Hell non-Mega Zygarde is harder to revenge kill since its priority is stronger and its bulkier too.
>>58490768>Mega ZyFRAUDe-Complete vs the CONQUEROR of SINGLESlolmega zyfraude is worse than base complete lmao
>>58494243You guys said the same about perfect Zygarde, ensuring it would suck when the gen 7 stats dropped, and you were wrong.
A 5000IQ wish -> mega zygarde setup to get it back at full health would just win you the game right then and there if you pulled it off but I think Rayquaza is way easier to use and is just a “fuck you die lol” card.
perfect zyggy needs aura break as its ability
>>58494450The difference now is that Mega Zygarde is a Special Attacker now and is in a mega filled with stronger Pokemon.The reason why getting to 100% wasn’t too bad before was the fact that Dragon Dance or Coil would pressure your opponent onto attacking you so you won’t set up. Even with 100 Atk, multiple attack boosts can threaten several team after all.Mega Zygarde being a special attacker means you’re running special attacks, which means Base form Zygarde only has unboosted 81 SpA to hit your opponent with. Your opponent can abuse that fact and set up in your face until they can KO you.It’ll be at least better at breaking Stall since Stallmons never run set up moves and are much weaker.
>>58494908>Mega Zygarde being a special attacker means you’re running special attacksAnon with those stats you can run it as physical and just use Nihil Light as only special move. You can also run it mixed and still use Dragon Dance or Coil (remember Extreme Speed too) so everything you throw is a nuke
>>58494957Provide a good spread and moveset then.
>>58495096NTA but a real basic set would be:Dragon DanceThousand ArrowsExtreme SpeedCore EnforcerYou could get really specific with EVs to counter specific threats, you can poor them into attack & speed or into bulk. With 216 Special Attack and a 200 base power STAB move, you don't need any special investment unless you're looking to kill something specific. Meanwhile setting up with Dragon Dance patches up the 70 attack and 100 speed.
>>58495096Or just use Coil and get more bulk back, Extreme Speed exists for a reason
>>58490768Items are brokenRay wins
>>58495719Z moves are brokenZyg wins
>>58495756You can only use one gimmick in champions.
>>58495761Anon... I have some news for you
>>58490768Mega Zygarde requires setup to actually make it work compared to Mega Rayquaza who can instantly tap in.>252+ Atk Life Orb Rayquaza-Mega Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 406-478 (96.6 - 113.8%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
>>58490797>canonically got its ass beat by the Tapus so bad its literally brokeThe noggin legendary battle royal really messed up everyone's perception of this mon. Its literally does things it cannot do in that video.
>>58490768>>58490797I mega evolve my rock and one shot all 3 dragons at once. Response?
>>58496251I dial8 and 40% ggs
>>58495096Zygarde @ Zygardite Ability: Power Construct Tera Type: Dragon EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe Hardy Nature - Substitute - Dragon Dance - Thousand Arrows - Core Enforcer/Nihil LightSomething like that. You click Substitute first thing.Your opponent breaks it? Good. Do it again and drop to half so you can go Mega.Your opponent doesn't break your sub? Also good. DD up. Not only does it make Thousand Arrows stronger, but also makes you faster.Your opponent hits you before Substitute for more than a quarter, and then you drop yourself below half with your sub? Best case scenario. Now you can mega at the start of your turn and start spamming Nihil Light behind a sub because it bypasses immunities and is likely a spread move just like Core Enforcer.EV's and nature are weird because it really doesn't need significant SpA investment with how absurdly high 216 is (higher than a Timid Deoxys-A), but it does want to use all of its stats. So a neutral nature might actually be the best.
>>58495904Good to have you back Zygarde
>>58497263based
>>58490768Ray+item hits harder than Zygard
>>58497263Sub on this thing is really good, huh
